Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England
Yield, yield, yield -- woof woof! (Sigh...) Hey, do a bit of snipping would you? You're down to FOUR 's, most of it not relevant to your message. Plus SIX sets of footers. Have some consideration please, you're fouling up 1,300 people's mailboxes, plus the archives, permanently. Keith 1.BioFuel Business -- You should work on Oil Palm, it got 3 times higher yield than any other crops. I thought about it the wholeday, if you wanted to do it. Get the best yield out of the same efforts! Where did you normally get all the seeds for Oil palm or Kenaf? 2.Side products --- (If you are new here, check out www.greenla.com/recycling/kenaf.htm Not only kenaf can make biofuel, they are also good to make paper. To save the industry from chopping down more trees!!) 3.Seeds Received inquiry for where to get these seeds, Where did you normally get all the seeds for Oil palm or Kenaf? Need help! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England
Hi Tricia, Contact your local ARS, as they work on those issues. On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Tricia Liu wrote: Corns yeilds 18 gallon/acre Soya yields 48 gallon/acre Cocunuts 287 gallon/acre Oil Palm635 gallon/acre Chokecherries 214 gallon/acre? Based on those yields, the price for Oil Palm should be 35 times better than corns? The retail price for Biofuel is $2.05-2.50/gallon. So we are talking about an Oil Palm crop that can produce $1,400 - $1,587.50 market value per acre comparing to $36.90 - $45/gallon for the corns? (Or other suitable plants for the climate and the processing capability) I don't know how many yields per year for these plants and maybe the harvest will be hard etc. But the BioFuel Accosiation or the Farmers groups should find a better BioFuel crops to grow, to make more money and provide better yield! Howcome the farmers states never put some funds to discover the best yield crops and encourange their farmers to at least switch some of their lands to grow these energy crops? By mass production to bring down the prices of BioFuel, then more drivers will switch to Bio Diesel vehicles. Can not believe that there are no organization or talents in the government in doing this job? To improve the productivity of the lands and to increase the incomes of the farmers. Farmers should use wisely your resources and voting right, not only helping to set up experimental farms to find the best crops for each states. Just like France and Italy, Biofuel should be tax free to help her to gain market share. And maybe later on, after BioFuel replaced good portion of the Fossil oil fuel. Go back to tax again, by that time, the BioFuel prices should be really reasonable! Hope to hear from the real farmers, I'm just speculating. There must have some organization will lead the farmers to plan their production to get the maximum market value of of the same land? The productivity of the farmers had been high, but you have to add in the market value consideration. To grow more valuable crops to make more money, the money will either goes to imported oil or goes to the farmers. - Original Message - From: norris hobson (SRI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:42 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] good oil crops for England The reasons are many: The markets are probably not in place The processing is not in place Farmers have the equipment and knowledge to grow and harvest corn, wheat soya etc. They will not commit their large farms to a crop which they do not know how to grow, harvest and sell. The claims for yields are probably based on research with trial plots and the yields from growing them in real conditions with pests and diseases that will get bigger as the crops get bigger are much lower. I'll take the example of hemp grown in the UK - it is a wonder crop, amazing yield, needs little fertiliser and chemicals as it grows so fast. Amazing tough fibre, seed can be used for biodiesel etc. But how much is grown. Around 2500 ha. even with a subsidy of around £500/ha. Why - because it is a bastard to harvest and the yields are much lower than the researchers quote, and hence the returns are lower. There is a small demand for it but a UK company has been working very hard for years to promote the crop, and their main market was/is the hurds used for horse bedding. What are chokeberries. Is it April 1st. Rob -Original Message- From: Tricia Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 February 2003 11:58 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Mr.Hartman posted a long message not long ago, voicing for the American Farmers. The income is lower and the cost is growing higher... And then there are discussion about these higher yield products, so why don't the farmers grow the better yield crops? African Oil plants or the chokecherries? Climate or weather limitation? Cost too high? (I may retire earlier to start my own farm, if these are the star crops for the future!) So why don't you? The growing demand of BioFuel and the corns and Soy beans are not the best sources for biofuel? Seem to be a simple solution but did I miss anything? Instead of asking for the government to keep on funding, maybe if the farmers switching to the higher yield crops. Then we will see some Farmer Tycoons over those oil Tycoons? - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England They do. More oil per acre than African oil palms, apparently, and a LOT of pulp for ethanol - and they smell nice too? Bonus. The bees prolly love 'em. Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Tuesday
RE: [biofuel] good oil crops for England
I think the idea for fallow land is a quick growing, non-input, multi-planting/harvesting per year crop. A farmer would have to ask if chokecherry fits into that scheme. I also like what Norris said about the equipment costs that a farmer already has invested, and how that would translate to the crop grown. I would think that chokecherry would be a better fit in non-farmland plantings. But jatropha seems better in this application. There also is a blight that is effecting the chokecherry that might end up being and issue. James Slayden On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, norris hobson (SRI) wrote: I think this answers the question of why farmers are not interested in growing these amazing yielding crops. Shrub does not bear any fruit for a number of years and grows to 20 foot tall. A farmer will want to harvest his crops with combine harvester or similar machinery he already has. Whilst it is possible to make a machine to harvest crops on bushes or trees they are specialist machines and very expensive, and only for very high value crops. Grapes, tea, etc. Who is going to pay the farmer while he waits for his chokeberries to start yielding when he has put huge sums of money into planting them. Rob -Original Message- From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 February 2003 11:22 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England we have choke cherry trees 20' tall growing in a sandy area 5 miles from the nearest stream, and 300 feet above the nearest water. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 9:33 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Chokecherries are a shrub. Takes a few years before they would bear fruit. Also I don't know any nursery that sells them. They grow wild in ravines. That means they need more water than the average field. Lots of chokecheeries near streams. Not as near as willows but close. Kirk -Original Message- From: Tricia Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:58 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Mr.Hartman posted a long message not long ago, voicing for the American Farmers. The income is lower and the cost is growing higher... And then there are discussion about these higher yield products, so why don't the farmers grow the better yield crops? African Oil plants or the chokecherries? Climate or weather limitation? Cost too high? [message truncated] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England
we have choke cherry trees 20' tall growing in a sandy area 5 miles from the nearest stream, and 300 feet above the nearest water. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 9:33 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Chokecherries are a shrub. Takes a few years before they would bear fruit. Also I don't know any nursery that sells them. They grow wild in ravines. That means they need more water than the average field. Lots of chokecheeries near streams. Not as near as willows but close. Kirk -Original Message- From: Tricia Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:58 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Mr.Hartman posted a long message not long ago, voicing for the American Farmers. The income is lower and the cost is growing higher... And then there are discussion about these higher yield products, so why don't the farmers grow the better yield crops? African Oil plants or the chokecherries? Climate or weather limitation? Cost too high? [message truncated] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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DEFRA, the new name for MAFF, in England and Wales are looking for new crops for industrial use, such as biofuels. What is the botanical name for chokecherries. Can they be grown in the UK. Rob -Original Message- From: Tricia Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 February 2003 09:13 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Corns yeilds 18 gallon/acre Soya yields 48 gallon/acre Cocunuts 287 gallon/acre Oil Palm635 gallon/acre Chokecherries 214 gallon/acre? Based on those yields, the price for Oil Palm should be 35 times better than corns? The retail price for Biofuel is $2.05-2.50/gallon. So we are talking about an Oil Palm crop that can produce $1,400 - $1,587.50 market value per acre comparing to $36.90 - $45/gallon for the corns? (Or other suitable plants for the climate and the processing capability) I don't know how many yields per year for these plants and maybe the harvest will be hard etc. But the BioFuel Accosiation or the Farmers groups should find a better BioFuel crops to grow, to make more money and provide better yield! Howcome the farmers states never put some funds to discover the best yield crops and encourange their farmers to at least switch some of their lands to grow these energy crops? By mass production to bring down the prices of BioFuel, then more drivers will switch to Bio Diesel vehicles. Can not believe that there are no organization or talents in the government in doing this job? To improve the productivity of the lands and to increase the incomes of the farmers. Farmers should use wisely your resources and voting right, not only helping to set up experimental farms to find the best crops for each states. Just like France and Italy, Biofuel should be tax free to help her to gain market share. And maybe later on, after BioFuel replaced good portion of the Fossil oil fuel. Go back to tax again, by that time, the BioFuel prices should be really reasonable! Hope to hear from the real farmers, I'm just speculating. There must have some organization will lead the farmers to plan their production to get the maximum market value of of the same land? The productivity of the farmers had been high, but you have to add in the market value consideration. To grow more valuable crops to make more money, the money will either goes to imported oil or goes to the farmers. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] good oil crops for England
I think this answers the question of why farmers are not interested in growing these amazing yielding crops. Shrub does not bear any fruit for a number of years and grows to 20 foot tall. A farmer will want to harvest his crops with combine harvester or similar machinery he already has. Whilst it is possible to make a machine to harvest crops on bushes or trees they are specialist machines and very expensive, and only for very high value crops. Grapes, tea, etc. Who is going to pay the farmer while he waits for his chokeberries to start yielding when he has put huge sums of money into planting them. Rob -Original Message- From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 February 2003 11:22 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England we have choke cherry trees 20' tall growing in a sandy area 5 miles from the nearest stream, and 300 feet above the nearest water. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 9:33 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Chokecherries are a shrub. Takes a few years before they would bear fruit. Also I don't know any nursery that sells them. They grow wild in ravines. That means they need more water than the average field. Lots of chokecheeries near streams. Not as near as willows but close. Kirk -Original Message- From: Tricia Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:58 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Mr.Hartman posted a long message not long ago, voicing for the American Farmers. The income is lower and the cost is growing higher... And then there are discussion about these higher yield products, so why don't the farmers grow the better yield crops? African Oil plants or the chokecherries? Climate or weather limitation? Cost too high? [message truncated] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] good oil crops for England
Tricia Hi, first I want to say thanks for the information you have provided about the crop yields. I am pretty new to biodeisel and tottally new to this group. I have been looking for this information all over, but have had little clue as to where I would find it. Can you tell me where you got this info I am building a business plan for making Biodeisel and this is important information. Thanks Doug Allbright -Original Message- From: Tricia Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 3:13 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Corns yeilds 18 gallon/acre Soya yields 48 gallon/acre Cocunuts 287 gallon/acre Oil Palm635 gallon/acre Chokecherries 214 gallon/acre? Based on those yields, the price for Oil Palm should be 35 times better than corns? The retail price for Biofuel is $2.05-2.50/gallon. So we are talking about an Oil Palm crop that can produce $1,400 - $1,587.50 market value per acre comparing to $36.90 - $45/gallon for the corns? (Or other suitable plants for the climate and the processing capability) I don't know how many yields per year for these plants and maybe the harvest will be hard etc. But the BioFuel Accosiation or the Farmers groups should find a better BioFuel crops to grow, to make more money and provide better yield! Howcome the farmers states never put some funds to discover the best yield crops and encourange their farmers to at least switch some of their lands to grow these energy crops? By mass production to bring down the prices of BioFuel, then more drivers will switch to Bio Diesel vehicles. Can not believe that there are no organization or talents in the government in doing this job? To improve the productivity of the lands and to increase the incomes of the farmers. Farmers should use wisely your resources and voting right, not only helping to set up experimental farms to find the best crops for each states. Just like France and Italy, Biofuel should be tax free to help her to gain market share. And maybe later on, after BioFuel replaced good portion of the Fossil oil fuel. Go back to tax again, by that time, the BioFuel prices should be really reasonable! Hope to hear from the real farmers, I'm just speculating. There must have some organization will lead the farmers to plan their production to get the maximum market value of of the same land? The productivity of the farmers had been high, but you have to add in the market value consideration. To grow more valuable crops to make more money, the money will either goes to imported oil or goes to the farmers. - Original Message - From: norris hobson (SRI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:42 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] good oil crops for England The reasons are many: The markets are probably not in place The processing is not in place Farmers have the equipment and knowledge to grow and harvest corn, wheat soya etc. They will not commit their large farms to a crop which they do not know how to grow, harvest and sell. The claims for yields are probably based on research with trial plots and the yields from growing them in real conditions with pests and diseases that will get bigger as the crops get bigger are much lower. I'll take the example of hemp grown in the UK - it is a wonder crop, amazing yield, needs little fertiliser and chemicals as it grows so fast. Amazing tough fibre, seed can be used for biodiesel etc. But how much is grown. Around 2500 ha. even with a subsidy of around £500/ha. Why - because it is a bastard to harvest and the yields are much lower than the researchers quote, and hence the returns are lower. There is a small demand for it but a UK company has been working very hard for years to promote the crop, and their main market was/is the hurds used for horse bedding. What are chokeberries. Is it April 1st. Rob -Original Message- From: Tricia Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 February 2003 11:58 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Mr.Hartman posted a long message not long ago, voicing for the American Farmers. The income is lower and the cost is growing higher... And then there are discussion about these higher yield products, so why don't the farmers grow the better yield crops? African Oil plants or the chokecherries? Climate or weather limitation? Cost too high? (I may retire earlier to start my own farm, if these are the star crops for the future!) So why don't you? The growing demand of BioFuel and the corns and Soy beans are not the best sources for biofuel? Seem to be a simple solution but did I miss anything? Instead of asking for the government to keep on funding, maybe if the farmers switching to the higher yield crops. Then we will see some Farmer Tycoons over those oil Tycoons? - Original Message - From: Neoteric
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the link is http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#ascend to save your time, the whole chart Vegetable oil yields Biodiesel yield = oil yield x 0.8 approx. Note: These are conservative estimates -- crop yields can vary widely. Ascending order Crop kg oil/ha litres oil/ha lbs oil/acre US gal/acre corn (maize) 145 172 129 18 cashew nut 148 176 132 19 oats 183 217 163 23 lupine 195 232 175 25 kenaf 230 273 205 29 calendula 256 305 229 33 cotton 273 325 244 35 hemp 305 363 272 39 soybean 375 446 335 48 coffee 386 459 345 49 linseed (flax) 402 478 359 51 hazelnuts 405 482 362 51 euphorbia 440 524 393 56 pumpkin seed 449 534 401 57 coriander 450 536 402 57 mustard seed 481 572 430 61 camelina 490 583 438 62 sesame 585 696 522 74 safflower 655 779 585 83 rice 696 828 622 88 tung oil tree 790 940 705 100 sunflowers 800 952 714 102 cocoa (cacao) 863 1026 771 110 peanuts 890 1059 795 113 opium poppy 978 1163 873 124 rapeseed 1000 1190 893 127 olives 1019 1212 910 129 castor beans 1188 1413 1061 151 pecan nuts 1505 1791 1344 191 jojoba 1528 1818 1365 194 jatropha 1590 1892 1420 202 macadamia nuts 1887 2246 1685 240 brazil nuts 2010 2392 1795 255 avocado 2217 2638 1980 282 coconut 2260 2689 2018 287 oil palm 5000 5950 4465 635 Alphabetical order avocado 2217 2638 1980 282 brazil nuts 2010 2392 1795 255 calendula 256 305 229 33 camelina 490 583 438 62 cashew nut 148 176 132 19 castor beans 1188 1413 1061 151 cocoa (cacao) 863 1026 771 110 coconut 2260 2689 2018 287 coffee 386 459 345 49 coriander 450 536 402 57 corn (maize) 145 172 129 18 cotton 273 325 244 35 euphorbia 440 524 393 56 hazelnuts 405 482 362 51 hemp 305 363 272 39 jatropha 1590 1892 1420 202 jojoba 1528 1818 1365 194 kenaf 230 273 205 29 linseed (flax) 402 478 359 51 lupine 195 232 175 25 macadamia nuts 1887 2246 1685 240 mustard seed 481 572 430 61 oats 183 217 163 23 oil palm 5000 5950 4465 635 olives 1019 1212 910 129 opium poppy 978 1163 873 124 peanuts 890 1059 795 113 pecan nuts 1505 1791 1344 191 pumpkin seed 449 534 401 57 rapeseed 1000 1190 893 127 rice 696 828 622 88 safflower 655 779 585 83 sesame 585 696 522 74 soybean 375 446 335 48 sunflowers 800 952 714 102 tung oil tree 790 940 705 100 - Original Message - From: Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:09 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Tricia Hi, first I want to say thanks for the information you have provided about the crop yields. I am pretty new to biodeisel and tottally new to this group. I have been looking for this information all over, but have had little clue as to where I would find it. Can you tell me where you got this info I am building a business plan for making Biodeisel and this is important information. Thanks Doug Allbright -Original Message- From: Tricia Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 3:13 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Corns yeilds 18 gallon/acre Soya yields 48 gallon/acre Cocunuts 287 gallon/acre Oil Palm635 gallon/acre Chokecherries 214 gallon/acre? Based on those yields, the price for Oil Palm should be 35 times better than corns? The retail price for Biofuel is $2.05-2.50/gallon. So we are talking about an Oil Palm crop that can produce $1,400 - $1,587.50 market value per acre comparing to $36.90 - $45/gallon for the corns? (Or other suitable plants for the climate and the processing capability) I don't know how many yields per year for these plants and maybe the harvest will be hard etc. But the BioFuel Accosiation or the Farmers groups should find a better BioFuel crops to grow, to make more money and provide better yield! Howcome the farmers states never put some funds to discover the best yield crops and encourange their farmers to at least switch some of their lands to grow these energy crops? By mass production to bring down the prices of BioFuel, then more drivers will switch to Bio Diesel vehicles. Can not believe that there are no organization or talents in the government in doing this job? To improve the productivity of the lands and to increase the incomes of the farmers. Farmers should use wisely your resources and voting right, not only helping to set up experimental farms to find the best crops for each states. Just like France and Italy, Biofuel should be tax free to help her to gain market share. And maybe later on, after BioFuel replaced good portion of the Fossil oil fuel. Go back to tax again, by that time, the BioFuel prices should be really reasonable! Hope to hear from the real farmers, I'm just speculating. There must have some organization will lead the farmers to plan their production to get the maximum market value of of the same land? The productivity of the farmers had been high, but you have to add in the market value consideration. To grow more valuable crops
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1.BioFuel Business -- You should work on Oil Palm, it got 3 times higher yield than any other crops. I thought about it the wholeday, if you wanted to do it. Get the best yield out of the same efforts! Where did you normally get all the seeds for Oil palm or Kenaf? 2.Side products --- (If you are new here, check out www.greenla.com/recycling/kenaf.htm Not only kenaf can make biofuel, they are also good to make paper. To save the industry from chopping down more trees!!) 3.Seeds Received inquiry for where to get these seeds, Where did you normally get all the seeds for Oil palm or Kenaf? Need help! - Original Message - From: Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:09 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Tricia Hi, first I want to say thanks for the information you have provided about the crop yields. I am pretty new to biodeisel and tottally new to this group. I have been looking for this information all over, but have had little clue as to where I would find it. Can you tell me where you got this info I am building a business plan for making Biodeisel and this is important information. Thanks Doug Allbright -Original Message- From: Tricia Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 3:13 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Corns yeilds 18 gallon/acre Soya yields 48 gallon/acre Cocunuts 287 gallon/acre Oil Palm635 gallon/acre Chokecherries 214 gallon/acre? Based on those yields, the price for Oil Palm should be 35 times better than corns? The retail price for Biofuel is $2.05-2.50/gallon. So we are talking about an Oil Palm crop that can produce $1,400 - $1,587.50 market value per acre comparing to $36.90 - $45/gallon for the corns? (Or other suitable plants for the climate and the processing capability) I don't know how many yields per year for these plants and maybe the harvest will be hard etc. But the BioFuel Accosiation or the Farmers groups should find a better BioFuel crops to grow, to make more money and provide better yield! Howcome the farmers states never put some funds to discover the best yield crops and encourange their farmers to at least switch some of their lands to grow these energy crops? By mass production to bring down the prices of BioFuel, then more drivers will switch to Bio Diesel vehicles. Can not believe that there are no organization or talents in the government in doing this job? To improve the productivity of the lands and to increase the incomes of the farmers. Farmers should use wisely your resources and voting right, not only helping to set up experimental farms to find the best crops for each states. Just like France and Italy, Biofuel should be tax free to help her to gain market share. And maybe later on, after BioFuel replaced good portion of the Fossil oil fuel. Go back to tax again, by that time, the BioFuel prices should be really reasonable! Hope to hear from the real farmers, I'm just speculating. There must have some organization will lead the farmers to plan their production to get the maximum market value of of the same land? The productivity of the farmers had been high, but you have to add in the market value consideration. To grow more valuable crops to make more money, the money will either goes to imported oil or goes to the farmers. - Original Message - From: norris hobson (SRI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:42 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] good oil crops for England The reasons are many: The markets are probably not in place The processing is not in place Farmers have the equipment and knowledge to grow and harvest corn, wheat soya etc. They will not commit their large farms to a crop which they do not know how to grow, harvest and sell. The claims for yields are probably based on research with trial plots and the yields from growing them in real conditions with pests and diseases that will get bigger as the crops get bigger are much lower. I'll take the example of hemp grown in the UK - it is a wonder crop, amazing yield, needs little fertiliser and chemicals as it grows so fast. Amazing tough fibre, seed can be used for biodiesel etc. But how much is grown. Around 2500 ha. even with a subsidy of around £500/ha. Why - because it is a bastard to harvest and the yields are much lower than the researchers quote, and hence the returns are lower. There is a small demand for it but a UK company has been working very hard for years to promote the crop, and their main market was/is the hurds used for horse bedding. What are chokeberries. Is it April 1st. Rob -Original Message- From: Tricia Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 February 2003 11:58 To: biofuel
Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England
Mr.Hartman posted a long message not long ago, voicing for the American Farmers. The income is lower and the cost is growing higher... And then there are discussion about these higher yield products, so why don't the farmers grow the better yield crops? African Oil plants or the chokecherries? Climate or weather limitation? Cost too high? (I may retire earlier to start my own farm, if these are the star crops for the future!) So why don't you? The growing demand of BioFuel and the corns and Soy beans are not the best sources for biofuel? Seem to be a simple solution but did I miss anything? Instead of asking for the government to keep on funding, maybe if the farmers switching to the higher yield crops. Then we will see some Farmer Tycoons over those oil Tycoons? - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England They do. More oil per acre than African oil palms, apparently, and a LOT of pulp for ethanol - and they smell nice too? Bonus. The bees prolly love 'em. Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 08:14 AM, kirk wrote: I don't think of chokecherries as bearing much. The blossoms are one of the lovliest scents in the world. Truly exquisite. Kirk Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] good oil crops for England
The reasons are many: The markets are probably not in place The processing is not in place Farmers have the equipment and knowledge to grow and harvest corn, wheat soya etc. They will not commit their large farms to a crop which they do not know how to grow, harvest and sell. The claims for yields are probably based on research with trial plots and the yields from growing them in real conditions with pests and diseases that will get bigger as the crops get bigger are much lower. I'll take the example of hemp grown in the UK - it is a wonder crop, amazing yield, needs little fertiliser and chemicals as it grows so fast. Amazing tough fibre, seed can be used for biodiesel etc. But how much is grown. Around 2500 ha. even with a subsidy of around £500/ha. Why - because it is a bastard to harvest and the yields are much lower than the researchers quote, and hence the returns are lower. There is a small demand for it but a UK company has been working very hard for years to promote the crop, and their main market was/is the hurds used for horse bedding. What are chokeberries. Is it April 1st. Rob -Original Message- From: Tricia Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 February 2003 11:58 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Mr.Hartman posted a long message not long ago, voicing for the American Farmers. The income is lower and the cost is growing higher... And then there are discussion about these higher yield products, so why don't the farmers grow the better yield crops? African Oil plants or the chokecherries? Climate or weather limitation? Cost too high? (I may retire earlier to start my own farm, if these are the star crops for the future!) So why don't you? The growing demand of BioFuel and the corns and Soy beans are not the best sources for biofuel? Seem to be a simple solution but did I miss anything? Instead of asking for the government to keep on funding, maybe if the farmers switching to the higher yield crops. Then we will see some Farmer Tycoons over those oil Tycoons? - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England They do. More oil per acre than African oil palms, apparently, and a LOT of pulp for ethanol - and they smell nice too? Bonus. The bees prolly love 'em. Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 08:14 AM, kirk wrote: I don't think of chokecherries as bearing much. The blossoms are one of the lovliest scents in the world. Truly exquisite. Kirk Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] good oil crops for England
Chokecherries are a shrub. Takes a few years before they would bear fruit. Also I don't know any nursery that sells them. They grow wild in ravines. That means they need more water than the average field. Lots of chokecheeries near streams. Not as near as willows but close. Kirk -Original Message- From: Tricia Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:58 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Mr.Hartman posted a long message not long ago, voicing for the American Farmers. The income is lower and the cost is growing higher... And then there are discussion about these higher yield products, so why don't the farmers grow the better yield crops? African Oil plants or the chokecherries? Climate or weather limitation? Cost too high? (I may retire earlier to start my own farm, if these are the star crops for the future!) So why don't you? The growing demand of BioFuel and the corns and Soy beans are not the best sources for biofuel? Seem to be a simple solution but did I miss anything? Instead of asking for the government to keep on funding, maybe if the farmers switching to the higher yield crops. Then we will see some Farmer Tycoons over those oil Tycoons? - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England They do. More oil per acre than African oil palms, apparently, and a LOT of pulp for ethanol - and they smell nice too? Bonus. The bees prolly love 'em. Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 08:14 AM, kirk wrote: I don't think of chokecherries as bearing much. The blossoms are one of the lovliest scents in the world. Truly exquisite. Kirk Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.454 / Virus Database: 253 - Release Date: 2/10/2003 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England
Yes, that's right Steve - I was looking at pounds/acre of oil. Gallons of oil per acre would be in that range or actually below. Now, are we talking US gallons or Imperial gallons? Or is the US gallon the new Imperial gallon? Or should we all just use metric (I'll vote for the latter!) ;-) Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 07:59 PM, Steve Spence wrote: more like 39 gallons per acre. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html not even oil palms produce 1000 gallons / acre. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England hemp is also good, oil yield approx 1000 gal/acre dD biofuel@yahoogroups.com wrote: Areind of mine is a farmer in the home counties of England and is interested in what alternative crops he could grow to produce oil to power his tractors etc, is rape the most viable etc,and what sort of machinery would be needed to extract the oil, and what sort of oil yield could he expect per acre? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England
Speaking of oil palms, how about those oil palms of the northchokecherries Tests have shown that a car can run for about 7,000 kilometres on a hectare of wheat converted into ethanol, 14,000 km on canola-based biodiesel and 30,000 km on a hectare of chokecherries. http://www.extension.iastate.edu/Pages/grain/news/newsarchive/ 02igqinews/020926igqinews4.html Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 07:59 PM, Steve Spence wrote: more like 39 gallons per acre. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html not even oil palms produce 1000 gallons / acre. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England hemp is also good, oil yield approx 1000 gal/acre dD biofuel@yahoogroups.com wrote: Areind of mine is a farmer in the home counties of England and is interested in what alternative crops he could grow to produce oil to power his tractors etc, is rape the most viable etc,and what sort of machinery would be needed to extract the oil, and what sort of oil yield could he expect per acre? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England
ethanol or oil? I'm assuming ethanol from chokecherries? Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Speaking of oil palms, how about those oil palms of the northchokecherries Tests have shown that a car can run for about 7,000 kilometres on a hectare of wheat converted into ethanol, 14,000 km on canola-based biodiesel and 30,000 km on a hectare of chokecherries. http://www.extension.iastate.edu/Pages/grain/news/newsarchive/ 02igqinews/020926igqinews4.html Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 07:59 PM, Steve Spence wrote: more like 39 gallons per acre. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html not even oil palms produce 1000 gallons / acre. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England hemp is also good, oil yield approx 1000 gal/acre dD biofuel@yahoogroups.com wrote: Areind of mine is a farmer in the home counties of England and is interested in what alternative crops he could grow to produce oil to power his tractors etc, is rape the most viable etc,and what sort of machinery would be needed to extract the oil, and what sort of oil yield could he expect per acre? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England
I didn't think anyone used the imperial gallon anymore. that was 5 us quarts, right? That's pretty close! One Imperial gallon equals about 1.2 US gallons. One Imperial gallon = 4.546 liters One US gallon = 3.785 liters One UK gallon = 1.201 US gallons http://www.ex.ac.uk/cimt/dictunit/ccvol.htm __ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] good oil crops for England
I don't think of chokecherries as bearing much. The blossoms are one of the lovliest scents in the world. Truly exquisite. Kirk -Original Message- From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:50 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Speaking of oil palms, how about those oil palms of the northchokecherries Tests have shown that a car can run for about 7,000 kilometres on a hectare of wheat converted into ethanol, 14,000 km on canola-based biodiesel and 30,000 km on a hectare of chokecherries. http://www.extension.iastate.edu/Pages/grain/news/newsarchive/ 02igqinews/020926igqinews4.html Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 07:59 PM, Steve Spence wrote: more like 39 gallons per acre. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html not even oil palms produce 1000 gallons / acre. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England hemp is also good, oil yield approx 1000 gal/acre dD biofuel@yahoogroups.com wrote: Areind of mine is a farmer in the home counties of England and is interested in what alternative crops he could grow to produce oil to power his tractors etc, is rape the most viable etc,and what sort of machinery would be needed to extract the oil, and what sort of oil yield could he expect per acre? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.454 / Virus Database: 253 - Release Date: 2/10/2003 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] good oil crops for England
Areind of mine is a farmer in the home counties of England and is interested in what alternative crops he could grow to produce oil to power his tractors etc, is rape the most viable etc,and what sort of machinery would be needed to extract the oil, and what sort of oil yield could he expect per acre? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England
hemp is also good, oil yield approx 1000 gal/acre dD biofuel@yahoogroups.com wrote: Areind of mine is a farmer in the home counties of England and is interested in what alternative crops he could grow to produce oil to power his tractors etc, is rape the most viable etc,and what sort of machinery would be needed to extract the oil, and what sort of oil yield could he expect per acre? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England
more like 39 gallons per acre. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html not even oil palms produce 1000 gallons / acre. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England hemp is also good, oil yield approx 1000 gal/acre dD biofuel@yahoogroups.com wrote: Areind of mine is a farmer in the home counties of England and is interested in what alternative crops he could grow to produce oil to power his tractors etc, is rape the most viable etc,and what sort of machinery would be needed to extract the oil, and what sort of oil yield could he expect per acre? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England
I think you mean 1000 pounds per acre of crop yield, not oil. Hemp is around 25% oil content, and if cold pressed, around 8% is left in the presscake, so your gallons per acre yield of oil is more like 250 gallons per acre, probably less, and it is a high value nutritious oil for human consumption - too good for fuel, really. AFAIK, there is a significant effort underway to produce much more OSR (oilseed rape) in England, for fuel use - at least it is under discussion. Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 05:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hemp is also good, oil yield approx 1000 gal/acre dD biofuel@yahoogroups.com wrote: Areind of mine is a farmer in the home counties of England and is interested in what alternative crops he could grow to produce oil to power his tractors etc, is rape the most viable etc,and what sort of machinery would be needed to extract the oil, and what sort of oil yield could he expect per acre? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
