[biofuels-biz] Re: greetings

2001-06-18 Thread david_design 

I have tested some ester made using the acid/base/base process. It 
worked fine and I got less byproduct than when I use the normal 
base/base process. However, on base/base ester, my car's fuel trip 
computer will register about 44 mpg after about 5 miles of 70mph 
driving. 

With the acid/base product it would struggle to 40mpg under the same 
conditions. Yesterday I added 4 gals of base/base to the tank which 
already contained about 4 gals of acid/base fuel. Within 5 miles, my 
trip computer was showing 44mpg and rising. This is the second time I 
have had this result, so it's not a oneoff event.

We need to be careful. If we try to sell acid/base fuel as being the 
same as base/base fuel then we have to be sure it really IS the same. 

I'm sure my acid reacted fuel lost something - oxygens maybe? Is it 
simply stripping the glycerols from FFA, leaving the FFA to mix in 
with the ester made by the base reaction process? This could explain 
the low calorific value.

Proper research is needed on this question. 
Dave
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Pedro M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Only a word : GREAT !!
> 
> Indicate us in the list when uploaded, my friend ;)
> 
> How much liters does it produces ??. ( a good one for a medium and 
little enterprise is a 300.000 liters / year ).
> 
> For sure, the idea of e-commerce it«s ideal. We can buy metanol in 
the international market and sell the glycerin to another interested 
international people, if economically  interesting ;)
> 
> 
> All the best. 
> 
> Elabore caseramente biodiesel para su actual motor de gasoil 
petrol’fero
> La soluci—n a sus problemas energŽticos.
> 
> http://sitio.de/energia
> http://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Keith Addison 
>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:43 PM
>   Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] greetings
> 
> 
>   Hi Pedro and Bob
> 
>   Did you see Ian Jackson's schematics of his processor design? 
Based 
>   on Aleks's acid-base process. He's taken it down now and wants me 
to 
>   host it, which I'll do. There are some others coming up too, I'll 
>   upload them when they're ready.
> 
>   I'll happily host any designs anyone offers, and more. If you 
guys 
>   provide the material, I'll make a special section for biofuels-
biz 
>   resources on our site at Journey to Forever. Steve Spence of 
Webconx 
>   is here too, as a moderator, and you can count on his support 
(we're 
>   partner sites, by the way, and Pedro shares our host service).
> 
>   Yes, I know, we all have our secrets of course, quite right too, 
but 
>   there's a lot we can share. There are 30 of us here already, from 
>   quite a few different countries. Direct competition would be a 
>   limited factor, plenty of room for collaboration.
> 
>   If you want to sell designs or equipment, we might be able to 
help 
>   there too. We'll have to do e-commerce sooner or later, I can see 
it 
>   coming, it could be sooner. We could act as a shop-window, show 
your 
>   wares without giving away anything.
> 
>   It's up to you - I'll help where I can, so will Steve, but you're 
the 
>   ones interested in doing business, not us. The members have to 
lead 
>   the way.
> 
>   Cordain gave us a nice introduction, seems like a good idea to 
break 
>   the ice, eh?
> 
>   Best wishes
> 
>   Keith Addison
> 
> 
>   >Better than equipment, for Spain it«s the design. You could sell 
the 
>   >design of a biodiesel factory.
>   >
>   >All the best.
>   >
>   >Elabore caseramente biodiesel para su actual motor de gasoil 
petrol’fero
>   >La soluci—n a sus problemas energŽticos.
>   >
>   >http://sitio.de/energia
>   
>http://journeytoforever.org/
 
>   >energiaweb/
>   >
>   >- Original Message -
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>   >Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:26 PM
>   >Subject: [biofuels-biz] greetings
>   >
>   >Thanks for setting up this group. I hope to go commercial at some
>   >point. Probably making equipment for processing  rather than bio
>   >diesel production. Still at the prototype stage at the moment.
>   >bob golding (UK)
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RE: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings

2001-06-01 Thread Mike Brownstone 



Thanks, I was always better in 
maths.
 
Mike

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  AMTo: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: 
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  Message -From: "Mike Brownstone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: 
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:10 
  AMSubject: RE: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings> Hey 
  Pedro,>> What does 'impugned' mean?>> 
  Mike>   -Original Message->   From: 
  Pedro M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   Sent: Wednesday, May 
  30, 2001 11:04 PM>   To: 
  biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com>   Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] 
  Re: Greetings>>>   Can I answer to this 
  question, at least for Spain ??. Do the middle and> little biodiesel 
  companies has future comparated with big petroleum> companies 
  ??->>   In Spain there is a tax exemption for the 
  biodiesel but it has been> impugned by BP and nowadays the Spanish 
  Goverment doesn«t give this> exemption to the enterprises 
  .>>   Are the biodiesel companies ( like green 
  companies like they are )enough> incentived 
  ???.>>   Pedro.> - 
  Original Message -> From: Keith 
  Addison>     To: 
  biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, 
  May 30, 2001 7:43 PM> Subject: [biofuels-biz] 
  Re: Greetings>>> >Hello, 
  CONGRATULATIONS!!!> 
  >> >This kind of Biofuel Forum what was I 
  looking for. Is very important> >to separate 
  the forums occuped in topic like "do it yourself" 
  (home> >made biodiesel) and the forum for 
  large scale production with a> 
  >macroeconomic point of view. I hope a very interesting "brain 
  storm".> >> 
  >Again, CONGRATULATIONS KEITH AND STEVE> 
  >> >> 
  >    Mauro 
  Ariel Knudsen> 
  >  Argentinean 
  Biodieseler.>> Hello Mauro, I'm glad 
  you're here, and thanks a lot for the> 
  encouragement. Please go ahead and set the brainstorm going! Where 
  do> you think we should 
  start?>> 
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings

2001-06-01 Thread steve spence 
imápugn (m-pyn)
tr.v. imápugned, imápugnáing, imápugns
  To attack as false or questionable; challenge in argument: impugn a
political opponent's record.


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- Original Message -
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To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:10 AM
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> Hey Pedro,
>
> What does 'impugned' mean?
>
> Mike
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Pedro M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 11:04 PM
>   To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings
>
>
>   Can I answer to this question, at least for Spain ??. Do the middle and
> little biodiesel companies has future comparated with big petroleum
> companies ??-
>
>   In Spain there is a tax exemption for the biodiesel but it has been
> impugned by BP and nowadays the Spanish Goverment doesn«t give this
> exemption to the enterprises .
>
>   Are the biodiesel companies ( like green companies like they are )
enough
> incentived ???.
>
>   Pedro.
> - Original Message -
> From: Keith Addison
>     To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:43 PM
> Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings
>
>
> >Hello, CONGRATULATIONS!!!
> >
> >This kind of Biofuel Forum what was I looking for. Is very important
> >to separate the forums occuped in topic like "do it yourself" (home
> >made biodiesel) and the forum for large scale production with a
> >macroeconomic point of view. I hope a very interesting "brain storm".
> >
> >Again, CONGRATULATIONS KEITH AND STEVE
> >
> >
> >Mauro Ariel Knudsen
> >  Argentinean Biodieseler.
>
> Hello Mauro, I'm glad you're here, and thanks a lot for the
> encouragement. Please go ahead and set the brainstorm going! Where do
> you think we should start?
>
> Regards
>
> Keith Addison
>
>
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings

2001-05-31 Thread Pedro M. 



BP appeealed against the exemption ( no-pay of hidrocarbures 
tax for biodiesel ) ;(
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mike 
  Brownstone 
  To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:10 
AM
  Subject: RE: [biofuels-biz] Re: 
  Greetings
  
  Hey 
  Pedro,
   
  What 
  does 'impugned' mean?
   
  Mike
  
-Original Message-From: Pedro M. 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 11:04 
PMTo: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.comSubject: 
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings
Can I answer to this question, at least for Spain ??. Do 
the middle and little biodiesel companies has future comparated with big 
petroleum companies ??-
 
In Spain there is a tax exemption for the biodiesel but it 
has been impugned by BP and nowadays the Spanish Goverment doesn«t give this 
exemption to the enterprises . 
 
Are the biodiesel companies ( like green companies like 
they are ) enough incentived ???. 
 
Pedro. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Keith Addison 
  To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:43 
  PM
  Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: 
  Greetings
  >Hello, CONGRATULATIONS!!!>>This kind 
  of Biofuel Forum what was I looking for. Is very important>to 
  separate the forums occuped in topic like "do it yourself" 
  (home>made biodiesel) and the forum for large scale production with 
  a>macroeconomic point of view. I hope a very interesting "brain 
  storm".>>Again, CONGRATULATIONS KEITH AND 
  STEVE>>>    
  Mauro Ariel 
  Knudsen>  
  Argentinean Biodieseler.Hello Mauro, I'm glad you're here, and 
  thanks a lot for the encouragement. Please go ahead and set the 
  brainstorm going! Where do you think we should 
  start?RegardsKeith 
  AddisonBiofuels at Journey to Foreverhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlBiofuel 
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RE: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings

2001-05-31 Thread Mike Brownstone 



Hey 
Pedro,
 
What 
does 'impugned' mean?
 
Mike

  -Original Message-From: Pedro M. 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 11:04 
  PMTo: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: 
  [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings
  Can I answer to this question, at least for Spain ??. Do the 
  middle and little biodiesel companies has future comparated with big petroleum 
  companies ??-
   
  In Spain there is a tax exemption for the biodiesel but it 
  has been impugned by BP and nowadays the Spanish Goverment doesn«t give this 
  exemption to the enterprises . 
   
  Are the biodiesel companies ( like green companies like they 
  are ) enough incentived ???. 
   
  Pedro. 
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Keith Addison 
To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:43 
PM
Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: 
    Greetings
>Hello, CONGRATULATIONS!!!>>This kind of 
Biofuel Forum what was I looking for. Is very important>to separate 
the forums occuped in topic like "do it yourself" (home>made 
biodiesel) and the forum for large scale production with 
a>macroeconomic point of view. I hope a very interesting "brain 
storm".>>Again, CONGRATULATIONS KEITH AND 
STEVE>>>    
Mauro Ariel 
Knudsen>  
Argentinean Biodieseler.Hello Mauro, I'm glad you're here, and 
thanks a lot for the encouragement. Please go ahead and set the 
brainstorm going! Where do you think we should 
start?RegardsKeith AddisonBiofuels 
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings

2001-05-31 Thread Pedro M. 



Can I answer to this question, at least for Spain ??. Do the 
middle and little biodiesel companies has future comparated with big petroleum 
companies ??-
 
In Spain there is a tax exemption for the biodiesel but it has 
been impugned by BP and nowadays the Spanish Goverment doesn«t give this 
exemption to the enterprises . 
 
Are the biodiesel companies ( like green companies like they 
are ) enough incentived ???. 
 
Pedro. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Keith Addison 
  To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:43 
  PM
  Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: 
  Greetings
  >Hello, CONGRATULATIONS!!!>>This kind of 
  Biofuel Forum what was I looking for. Is very important>to separate the 
  forums occuped in topic like "do it yourself" (home>made biodiesel) and 
  the forum for large scale production with a>macroeconomic point of 
  view. I hope a very interesting "brain storm".>>Again, 
  CONGRATULATIONS KEITH AND 
  STEVE>>>    
  Mauro Ariel 
  Knudsen>  
  Argentinean Biodieseler.Hello Mauro, I'm glad you're here, and thanks 
  a lot for the encouragement. Please go ahead and set the brainstorm going! 
  Where do you think we should start?RegardsKeith 
  AddisonBiofuels 
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[biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings

2001-05-31 Thread Keith Addison 

>Hello, CONGRATULATIONS!!!
>
>This kind of Biofuel Forum what was I looking for. Is very important
>to separate the forums occuped in topic like "do it yourself" (home
>made biodiesel) and the forum for large scale production with a
>macroeconomic point of view. I hope a very interesting "brain storm".
>
>Again, CONGRATULATIONS KEITH AND STEVE
>
>
>Mauro Ariel Knudsen
>  Argentinean Biodieseler.

Hello Mauro, I'm glad you're here, and thanks a lot for the 
encouragement. Please go ahead and set the brainstorm going! Where do 
you think we should start?

Regards

Keith Addison


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[biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings

2001-05-30 Thread mauro_knudsen 

Hello, CONGRATULATIONS!!!

This kind of Biofuel Forum what was I looking for. Is very important 
to separate the forums occuped in topic like "do it yourself" (home 
made biodiesel) and the forum for large scale production with a 
macroeconomic point of view. I hope a very interesting "brain storm".

Again, CONGRATULATIONS KEITH AND STEVE


Mauro Ariel Knudsen
  Argentinean Biodieseler.





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