Re: [biofuel] fish oil as biodiesel?
Hello Paul Hello, My name is Paul Collier and I represent a group called NovusNow that is interested in all technologies that increase a person's and a community's autonomy. We are attempting right now to earn a contract to build an autonomous fish processing factory in Gloucester, Mass. that utilizes a technique called surimi. One of the byproducts of this process is fish oil and fat. We are trying to discern whether these byproducts can be converted to biofuel. We have a yahoo group, NovusNow, if you'd like to learn more about our group. Do you know if it's possible to convert fish oil and fat to biofuel? Sincerely, Paul Collier Director, NovusNow It has a high iodine value - sardine oil: 185, that's higher than linseed or tung oil. That means it's a drying oil, it polymerises: the oil irreversibly polymerises into a plastic-like solid. :-( Biodiesel made from fish oil will also polymerise. See: Iodine Values -- High Iodine Values http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine I think there are a lot of uses for fish oil. Here's one: Anti-rust Paint from Fish-Scraps - A short guide to the technique, by M. L. Allen, Prince of Songkla University, Thailand http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/FishPaintJTF.pdf Preferably if there are fish scraps as well, you could add enough browns (dry, carbonaceous material) to absorb the oil, pre-compost it and feed it to manure worms (red wrigglers, eisenia foetida sp.); you'll soon have a very good production of manure worms, far more than you need, and can harvest the excess on a regular basis to feed to fish, which might help your autonomy if you're processing freshwater aquaculture fish. (Worms are better protein than beef.) The worm castings - their manure from eating the compost - are about the best organic soil there is, useable or saleable. You could use it to raise a biofuel crop that'll give you an oil that won't polymerise. http://journeytoforever.org/compost_worm.html Vermicomposting Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] fish oil as biodiesel?
Paul, Keith rather well hit the nail on the head. Fish oil in general is a rather high polymerizer. However... (sometimes the but ain't such a bad thing), fish oil is still suitable as a fuel, especially if it's used as a boiler fuel for process heat. This is one of the simplest end uses imaginable, which can quite frequently completely replace fossil fuel use, whether it be low flash point oils from citrus peel, tallow that has barely been shaved off a flank or fish oils and phats (fats). The polymerization problem still exists when using the oil as a boiler fuel. Yet polymerization is generally non-problematic if the oil is consumed somewhat quickly and kept isolated from oxygen, such as topped off fuel tanks, opposed to half-empty fuel tanks. In your case I believe you will find simpler to be better. It will probably prove to be more economically and energy efficient to use the oils and phats as fuel for some on-going concern's process heat. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: goobiehead1968 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:11 PM Subject: [biofuel] fish oil as biodiesel? Hello, My name is Paul Collier and I represent a group called NovusNow that is interested in all technologies that increase a person's and a community's autonomy. We are attempting right now to earn a contract to build an autonomous fish processing factory in Gloucester, Mass. that utilizes a technique called surimi. One of the byproducts of this process is fish oil and fat. We are trying to discern whether these byproducts can be converted to biofuel. We have a yahoo group, NovusNow, if you'd like to learn more about our group. Do you know if it's possible to convert fish oil and fat to biofuel? Sincerely, Paul Collier Director, NovusNow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vhSowB/XP.FAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] fish oil as biodiesel?
I found this link in my search for fish oil as biofuel. Here they use a diesel fuel/fish oil mixture. http://www.aidea.org/Unisea.pdf Yes, that's one way of doing it. But what were the conclusions? A detailed inspection of the engine will be conducted at the conclusion of long-term testing later in 2002. Should have heard something more by now. Currently around 3.5 million gallons of fish oil are produced annually from pollock processing operations in Unalaska. Additional volumes are produced in other locations in the Aleutian Islands, Kodiak, and the Southeast coast. Somehow this all seems immensely wasteful to me. Maybe it's not, but I'm so aware of how the oceans are being poisoned and strip-mined of life, of the appalling wastefulness of modern fisheries (hunter-gatherers are modern?) - Around the world, each year, 44 billion pounds of fish plus hundreds of thousands of other marine animals are thrown overboard, dead and dying. Twenty-five percent of the entire world catch is wasted this way. More than a quarter of wild fish harvests are used in animal feed, much of it is used for industrialised aquaculture - it takes about five grams of wild fish protein (converted into fishmeal) to make a gram of farmed fish protein. The insanity (the right word) of the industrialised food system is probably even more damaging to the sea than to the land. And thank you Keith very much for your post. You're welcome Paul, hope it helped. Best Keith Paul Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/xlw.sC/XP.FAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Fish oil
Just out of curiosity does fish oil stink when it's burned? I could see sitting behind a truck in traffic the smells like french frys or donuts but fish yu...a trail of cats wherever you go. Maybe a market for the animal control vehicles. cheers, cordain dulles, va. From: Mike Brownstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Fish oil Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:49:24 +0200 Are you saying that there is no substantial difference in processing fish oil versus the other types ( veggie and lard )? My supply of oil is dark brown and liquid. It comes from the sludge at the bottom of fish oil container tanks(no water). There are no solids in it. I have not noticed any congealing. My cats going crazy!! Could you give me more detail? Mike -Original Message- From: Biofuels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 1:08 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fish oil Been there, done it, got the polymerised t-shirt! Advice - don't try too much at one time and pour the polymers out of the mixing tank before they congeal. Or have lots of hot water handy and somewhere remote from felines to dispose of. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fish oil
Been there, done it, got the polymerised t-shirt! Advice - don't try too much at one time and pour the polymers out of the mixing tank before they congeal. Or have lots of hot water handy and somewhere remote from felines to dispose of. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fish oil
Let me spell it out. Transesterification can be carried out on fish oil, the same as vegetable oil or animal fats. However, because of enormous long molecular chains, the result is a polymerised goo. It is not a pretty sight. It is not an easy mess to clear out, as it sets semi-hard. It stinks to high heaven. I do not recommend the process to anyone other than dedicated masochists and people I take a dislike to! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fish oil
Fish oil stinks when it is fresh. It stinks when it is not fresh. It stinks when you burn it straight. It stinks when you esterify it. It stinks when you burn the resultant polymer. Apart from that, it's not too bad. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
