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Hello Barry Do you know of BAA? The Biodiesel Association of Australia has been established "to promote and build a viable and ecologically sustainable biodiesel industry in Australia". Will offer supplies of biodiesel for registered members. FAQ, what-is, news & press, standards, documents, getting it, making it, events, and more. http://biodiesel.vtrekker.com/ Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ >Hanns, >I am not sure if you are referring to me or Steve Spence. If >it's me then I live on the northern beaches of Sydney. Biodiesel is not an >issue here at all. I have heard virtually nothing about it locally in the >press. About a month ago the Newcastle City Council, north of Sydney, said >they were going to run their garbage trucks on biodiesel. The cost savings >were mooted but not the environmental advantages. I don't know what its >like where you are. > >regards >Barryt > >- Original Message - >From: "Hanns B. Wetzel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:49 PM >Subject: RE: [biofuel] Information requires Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hanns, I am not sure if you are referring to me or Steve Spence. If it's me then I live on the northern beaches of Sydney. Biodiesel is not an issue here at all. I have heard virtually nothing about it locally in the press. About a month ago the Newcastle City Council, north of Sydney, said they were going to run their garbage trucks on biodiesel. The cost savings were mooted but not the environmental advantages. I don't know what its like where you are. regards Barryt - Original Message - From: "Hanns B. Wetzel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:49 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Information requires > To Steve Spence, > > Try this web site and its many links. There you will probably find all you > want http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html . I am also from Australia and > have similar interests. Are you from Brisbane by any chance. > > Hanns Wetzel > > -Original Message- > From: steve spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, 15 May 2001 8:35 PM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Information requires > > > see below: > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > we borrow it from our children. > -- > > - Original Message - > From: "Barryt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Biofuel Yahoo" > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 11:08 PM > Subject: [biofuel] Information requires > > > > Hi all, > > I know you often hear this but I am a relatively new member to > the group who has been doing a lot of reading and thinking about biodiesel. > > > > I have come to decision that I want to have a go at making biodiesel as > the petro stuff here in Australia is about AUD $0.99 per litre ($3.75 per Us > gallon). The funny thing here is that petrodiesel is more expensive than > gas (AUD $0.95) even though the refining process is less. > > > > There are some things I can't find in the literature and I hope the group > can give me some answers.. I live in a typical suburban home on a 1/4 acre > block with neighbours on three side. I am looking at using 'used oil' to > make biodiesel as I have access to used oil from a local shop. My workshop > is attached to my garage which is under my house. > > > > Will my wife and children hate me because of the brewing biodiesel odours > wafting through the house? Will my neighbours throw bricks?? > > probably not :-) > > > > When I make the biodiesel how much glycerine per litre can I expect to > produce? > > 10-15% or so > > > > How much biodiesel can I expect from one litre of used oil? > > 85-90% or so > > > > > I read that someone fitted a catalytic converter to their car to get rid > of the exhaust smell. Would the odours of burnt biodiesel be deemed, by > some people, to be offensive? > > not compared to diesel. are they dieting? The cat is a good idea, reduces > NOx > > > > > The vehicle I drive is a 3.0 litre turbo diesel with a computer controlled > injector pump and engine management system. As far as retarding the timing > I can do none of that. It is all controlled by a little black box. Does > anyone know if I am likely to experience problems with my vehicle management > system using biodiesel? > > None! wash well to remove methanol and soap. > > > > > > > Any input from the group would be greatly appreciated > > > > Barry Taylor > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hello Hanns >To Steve Spence, > >Try this web site and its many links. There you will probably find all you >want http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html . That'll tickle him! Steve's site at Webconx and our site at Journey to Forever are partner sites. And I keep saying that about his site. http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm Biofuel at WebConX >I am also from Australia and >have similar interests. Are you from Brisbane by any chance. Steve's from New Jersey. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ >Hanns Wetzel > >-Original Message- >From: steve spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, 15 May 2001 8:35 PM >To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Information requires > > >see below: > >Steve Spence Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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To Steve Spence, Try this web site and its many links. There you will probably find all you want http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html . I am also from Australia and have similar interests. Are you from Brisbane by any chance. Hanns Wetzel -Original Message- From: steve spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 15 May 2001 8:35 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [biofuel] Information requires see below: Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: "Barryt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Biofuel Yahoo" Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 11:08 PM Subject: [biofuel] Information requires > Hi all, > I know you often hear this but I am a relatively new member to the group who has been doing a lot of reading and thinking about biodiesel. > > I have come to decision that I want to have a go at making biodiesel as the petro stuff here in Australia is about AUD $0.99 per litre ($3.75 per Us gallon). The funny thing here is that petrodiesel is more expensive than gas (AUD $0.95) even though the refining process is less. > > There are some things I can't find in the literature and I hope the group can give me some answers.. I live in a typical suburban home on a 1/4 acre block with neighbours on three side. I am looking at using 'used oil' to make biodiesel as I have access to used oil from a local shop. My workshop is attached to my garage which is under my house. > > Will my wife and children hate me because of the brewing biodiesel odours wafting through the house? Will my neighbours throw bricks?? probably not :-) > > When I make the biodiesel how much glycerine per litre can I expect to produce? 10-15% or so > > How much biodiesel can I expect from one litre of used oil? 85-90% or so > > I read that someone fitted a catalytic converter to their car to get rid of the exhaust smell. Would the odours of burnt biodiesel be deemed, by some people, to be offensive? not compared to diesel. are they dieting? The cat is a good idea, reduces NOx > > The vehicle I drive is a 3.0 litre turbo diesel with a computer controlled injector pump and engine management system. As far as retarding the timing I can do none of that. It is all controlled by a little black box. Does anyone know if I am likely to experience problems with my vehicle management system using biodiesel? None! wash well to remove methanol and soap. > > > Any input from the group would be greatly appreciated > > Barry Taylor > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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see below: Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: "Barryt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Biofuel Yahoo" Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 11:08 PM Subject: [biofuel] Information requires > Hi all, > I know you often hear this but I am a relatively new member to the group who has been doing a lot of reading and thinking about biodiesel. > > I have come to decision that I want to have a go at making biodiesel as the petro stuff here in Australia is about AUD $0.99 per litre ($3.75 per Us gallon). The funny thing here is that petrodiesel is more expensive than gas (AUD $0.95) even though the refining process is less. > > There are some things I can't find in the literature and I hope the group can give me some answers.. I live in a typical suburban home on a 1/4 acre block with neighbours on three side. I am looking at using 'used oil' to make biodiesel as I have access to used oil from a local shop. My workshop is attached to my garage which is under my house. > > Will my wife and children hate me because of the brewing biodiesel odours wafting through the house? Will my neighbours throw bricks?? probably not :-) > > When I make the biodiesel how much glycerine per litre can I expect to produce? 10-15% or so > > How much biodiesel can I expect from one litre of used oil? 85-90% or so > > I read that someone fitted a catalytic converter to their car to get rid of the exhaust smell. Would the odours of burnt biodiesel be deemed, by some people, to be offensive? not compared to diesel. are they dieting? The cat is a good idea, reduces NOx > > The vehicle I drive is a 3.0 litre turbo diesel with a computer controlled injector pump and engine management system. As far as retarding the timing I can do none of that. It is all controlled by a little black box. Does anyone know if I am likely to experience problems with my vehicle management system using biodiesel? None! wash well to remove methanol and soap. > > > Any input from the group would be greatly appreciated > > Barry Taylor > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Keith, Thanks for your word of encouragement. Barryt - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Information requires > Hello Barry > > >Hi all, > >I know you often hear this but I am a relatively new > >member to the group who has been doing a lot of reading and thinking > >about biodiesel. > > Doesn't make you any the less welcome. :-) > > >I have come to decision that I want to have a go at making biodiesel > >as the petro stuff here in Australia is about AUD $0.99 per litre > >($3.75 per Us gallon). The funny thing here is that petrodiesel is > >more expensive than gas (AUD $0.95) even though the refining process > >is less. > > I'm sure you'll find other reasons once you start doing it: fuel > independence, useful waste-recycling, cutting pollution, cutting > carbon emissions, generally making your eco-footprint that much > smaller and being a better citizen of Planet Earth. Do it, you'll > love it - biodiesel's lovely stuff. > > >There are some things I can't find in the literature and I hope the > >group can give me some answers.. I live in a typical suburban home > >on a 1/4 acre block with neighbours on three side. I am looking at > >using 'used oil' to make biodiesel as I have access to used oil from > >a local shop. My workshop is attached to my garage which is under > >my house. > > > >Will my wife and children hate me because of the brewing biodiesel > >odours wafting through the house? Will my neighbours throw bricks?? > > We used to make it in the kitchen, no problem. I know one guy who > makes it in his living room - threw out the TV and installed double > processors instead (stereo?), said it was more fun to watch. He lives > in an apartment. Someone else who lives in an apartment makes it in > his bathroom. This is all waste oil, including tallow. I don't think > you have much to worry about. > > >When I make the biodiesel how much glycerine per litre can I expect > >to produce? > > > >How much biodiesel can I expect from one litre of used oil? > > Have a look at Aleks Kac's Foolproof method: > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html > > >I read that someone fitted a catalytic converter to their car to get > >rid of the exhaust smell. Would the odours of burnt biodiesel be > >deemed, by some people, to be offensive? > > Check the picture on this page: > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_nox.html > > It's not an offensive smell, and it doesn't give people headaches. If > you objected to biodiesel fumes as opposed to any kind of dinodiesel > fumes, then you'd be strange. But some folks is strange. > > > The vehicle I drive is a 3.0 litre turbo diesel with a computer > >controlled injector pump and engine management system. As far as > >retarding the timing I can do none of that. It is all controlled by > >a little black box. Does anyone know if I am likely to experience > >problems with my vehicle management system using biodiesel? > > Users with computer-controlled systems have reported no problems and > smoother running. But of course that depends on the quality of your > product. Mike Brownstone's recent message was apt: "Surprised, > though, at how much care one has to take to do a > proper and reliable job. My advise to anyone is to keep instruments clean > and don't hurry!!!" > > All best > > Keith Addison > Journey to Forever > Handmade Projects > Tokyo > http://journeytoforever.org/ > > > >Any input from the group would be greatly appreciated > > > >Barry Taylor > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hello Barry >Hi all, >I know you often hear this but I am a relatively new >member to the group who has been doing a lot of reading and thinking >about biodiesel. Doesn't make you any the less welcome. :-) >I have come to decision that I want to have a go at making biodiesel >as the petro stuff here in Australia is about AUD $0.99 per litre >($3.75 per Us gallon). The funny thing here is that petrodiesel is >more expensive than gas (AUD $0.95) even though the refining process >is less. I'm sure you'll find other reasons once you start doing it: fuel independence, useful waste-recycling, cutting pollution, cutting carbon emissions, generally making your eco-footprint that much smaller and being a better citizen of Planet Earth. Do it, you'll love it - biodiesel's lovely stuff. >There are some things I can't find in the literature and I hope the >group can give me some answers.. I live in a typical suburban home >on a 1/4 acre block with neighbours on three side. I am looking at >using 'used oil' to make biodiesel as I have access to used oil from >a local shop. My workshop is attached to my garage which is under >my house. > >Will my wife and children hate me because of the brewing biodiesel >odours wafting through the house? Will my neighbours throw bricks?? We used to make it in the kitchen, no problem. I know one guy who makes it in his living room - threw out the TV and installed double processors instead (stereo?), said it was more fun to watch. He lives in an apartment. Someone else who lives in an apartment makes it in his bathroom. This is all waste oil, including tallow. I don't think you have much to worry about. >When I make the biodiesel how much glycerine per litre can I expect >to produce? > >How much biodiesel can I expect from one litre of used oil? Have a look at Aleks Kac's Foolproof method: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html >I read that someone fitted a catalytic converter to their car to get >rid of the exhaust smell. Would the odours of burnt biodiesel be >deemed, by some people, to be offensive? Check the picture on this page: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_nox.html It's not an offensive smell, and it doesn't give people headaches. If you objected to biodiesel fumes as opposed to any kind of dinodiesel fumes, then you'd be strange. But some folks is strange. > The vehicle I drive is a 3.0 litre turbo diesel with a computer >controlled injector pump and engine management system. As far as >retarding the timing I can do none of that. It is all controlled by >a little black box. Does anyone know if I am likely to experience >problems with my vehicle management system using biodiesel? Users with computer-controlled systems have reported no problems and smoother running. But of course that depends on the quality of your product. Mike Brownstone's recent message was apt: "Surprised, though, at how much care one has to take to do a proper and reliable job. My advise to anyone is to keep instruments clean and don't hurry!!!" All best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ >Any input from the group would be greatly appreciated > >Barry Taylor >[EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
