Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel

2005-09-12 Thread Manick Harris 
Dear Dr.Pannirselvam
Yes, Madurai Ghandigram university will be fine with Dr.T.Karunakaran, if it could be arranged.
Cheers
Manickh"Pannirselvam P.V" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   Dear  Manick   Here in Brasil we have E95  running   and this can be impoted to any country  who wish to  develop and adopt the same in other country as well as flexivel  ethanol and  gasoline car We  need to come out  here in this list here  to   arrive  ata  a simple workable design  and then   there  are several university , Ghandhi gram rural university. Madurai south India  vice chancellar Dr T.Karunakaran can make it reality as  the present central government came to power  to suport rural mass.sdPannirselvam Brazil
On 9/12/05, Manick Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Hello Dr.Pannirselvam/Subramaniam,
I read that many small scale enterprises are encouraged in India, with tax exemption. If project funding can be arranged somewhere in Chennai or any other suitable place with proper allowances I could come there to help out in ethanolof ethanol  and wood pyrolysis.  Or perhaps as special Institute/ College  project where we won't be harassed by petty officials out for quick buck. With engines modified to run on E85 and wood spirit.Once project is finished I'll return to Penang.LOL
Manickh

 
"subramanian D.V" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Dear Mr. PanneerSelvam,
I've been reading your inputs to this forum quite for sometime and your enthusiasm is really contagious! but there are problems for individuals  for producing alcohol. 
The process is simple enough for small scale (back yard) production which you recommend. raw material such as sweet sorghum and sugar beet can be grown ; the economics of production is well known to those in the field. Special strains of sweet sorghum are available in National Research Institutes in Hyderabad, as well as at Indian Institute of Agricultural Research . But.
The moment I announce that I'm going to make my own fuel ( for personal use) half a dozen Govt agencies will raid my place ! Production of ethyl alcohol is not possible without Govt license (which is not easy to get for an individual), payment of several duties and taxes and bribes on the side. 
Even if the farmers make alcohol on the sly, on second thoughts they would rather drink it than use for fuel. You know the types in India.
On the commercial scale Indian Sugar Mills Assocn have half a million litres of surplus ethanol for E05 in the whole country but then the Indian oil corporation is still dragging its feet issuing purchase tenders  for ethanol. 
So these are the ground realities here. Still I keep hoping it will change in due course.
 
Regards,
 
Subramanian 
 
 
"Pannirselvam P.V" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Dear  Manick     I am native of South India.It is very true that  Malaysia and India,the fuel alcohol can be mis used as the drinks. Brazil , where  I live now ,here too are  making  alcohol for local  consume and exportation  as  the  alcoholic drinks and fuel made from sugarcane and fruits as both are the needs    In south India  where there is always  power cut  expected  more than 30  porcent    , locally made distilled home made alcohol, the  municipal  government can buy and use for transport and power generation. You are showing the real problem of  corrupt practice  there .Thus local use of ethanol for fuel   instead of commercial use  can  solve the powercut there.This is need decentralised
 development of  municipality.Only private company need to do all , under corrupted  some political party  not  bothered about real problem of energy development.   Based on traditional local home made alcohol  , India can produce  as much as  Brazil (2 bilhoes  liter of  alcohol for food and fuel) and can solve the energy crisis.The farmer need to put light in the night and make plantation in India where  as the  farmer from USA, France  and Europe  has  government  financial help.Manick , surely India  and can  make  possible  the home made decentralised  bio ethanol that thus make using pot  , to put in their small  motorised bicycle , thus making them independent   to get away the poverty and all corrupted  petroleum business , which is the root cause of  the poverty, making people dependence on imported fuel that they can not
 pay.   I wish to request  Keith  to publish  via our list members from India about the low cost pot distillation, as this so simple  and low cost ,any one can made fuel in their home based on this  pot made tradicional alcohol which  had made and making  making story of so many tragedy  and death of alcohol addiction .But this bad story can be made to be real a solution for the energy crysis sdPannirselvam   
On 9/10/05, Manick Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 

Tq Chris,
My reason for posting is to stimulate interest to convince other group members to undertake ethanol and power generation projects.I am not in a position to do them here in Malaysia or India, countries full of

Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel

2005-09-12 Thread Pannirselvam P.V 
   Dear  Manick

   Here in Brasil we have E95  running   and
this can be impoted to any country  who wish to  develop and
adopt the same in other country as well as flexivel  ethanol
and  gasoline car

 We  need to come out  here in this
list here  to   arrive  ata  a simple workable
design  and then   there  are several university ,
Ghandhi gram rural university. Madurai south India  vice
chancellar Dr T.Karunakaran can make it reality as  the present
central government came to power  to suport rural mass.

sd
Pannirselvam 
Brazil
On 9/12/05, Manick Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hello Dr.Pannirselvam/Subramaniam,
I read that many small scale enterprises are encouraged in India,
with tax exemption. If project funding can be arranged somewhere in
Chennai or any other suitable place with proper allowances I could come
there to help out in ethanolof ethanol  and wood
pyrolysis.  Or perhaps as special Institute/ College  project
where we won't be harassed by petty officials out for quick buck. With
engines modified to run on E85 and wood spirit.Once project is finished
I'll return to Penang.LOL
Manickh
 
"subramanian D.V" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Dear Mr. PanneerSelvam,
I've been reading your inputs to this forum quite for sometime and
your enthusiasm is really contagious! but there are problems for
individuals  for producing alcohol. 
The process is simple enough for small scale (back yard)
production which you recommend. raw material such as sweet sorghum and
sugar beet can be grown ; the economics of production is well known to
those in the field. Special strains of sweet sorghum are available in
National Research Institutes in Hyderabad, as well as at Indian
Institute of Agricultural Research . But.
The moment I announce that I'm going to make my own fuel ( for
personal use) half a dozen Govt agencies will raid my place !
Production of ethyl alcohol is not possible without Govt license
(which is not easy to get for an individual), payment of several duties
and taxes and bribes on the side. 
Even if the farmers make alcohol on the sly, on second thoughts
they would rather drink it than use for fuel. You know the types in
India.
On the commercial scale Indian Sugar Mills Assocn have half a
million litres of surplus ethanol for E05 in the whole country but
then the Indian oil corporation is still dragging its feet issuing
purchase tenders  for ethanol. 
So these are the ground realities here. Still I keep hoping it will change in due course.
 
Regards,
 
Subramanian 
 
 
"Pannirselvam P.V" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Dear  Manick    
I am native of South India.It is very true that  Malaysia and
India,the fuel alcohol can be mis used as the drinks. Brazil ,
where  I live now ,here too are  making  alcohol for
local  consume and exportation  as  the  alcoholic
drinks and fuel made from sugarcane and fruits as both are the needs   
In south India  where there is always  power cut 
expected  more than 30  porcent    , locally made
distilled home made alcohol, the  municipal  government can
buy and use for transport and power generation. You are showing the
real problem of  corrupt practice  there .Thus local use of
ethanol for fuel   instead of commercial use  can  solve
the powercut there.This is need decentralised development of 
municipality.Only private company need to do all , under
corrupted  some political party  not  bothered about
real problem of energy development.  
Based on traditional local home made alcohol  , India can
produce  as much as  Brazil (2 bilhoes  liter of 
alcohol for food and fuel) and can solve the energy crisis.The farmer
need to put light in the night and make plantation in India where 
as the  farmer from USA, France  and Europe  has 
government  financial help.Manick , surely India  and
can  make  possible  the home made decentralised 
bio ethanol that thus make using pot  , to put in their
small  motorised bicycle , thus making them
independent   to get away the poverty and all corrupted 
petroleum business , which is the root cause of  the poverty,
making people dependence on imported fuel that they can not pay.   I wish to request  Keith  to
publish  via our list members from India about the low cost pot
distillation, as this so simple  and low cost ,any one can made
fuel in their home based on this  pot made tradicional alcohol
which  had made and making  making story of so many
tragedy  and death of alcohol addiction .But this bad story can be
made to be real a solution for the energy crysis sdPannirselvam   
On 9/10/05, Manick Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: 

Tq Chris,
My reason for posting is to stimulate interest to convince
other group members to undertake ethanol and power generation
projects.I am not in a position to do them here in Malaysia or
India, countries full of skull-duggering and danger of losing all
the investment due to fraudulent practices by the unscrupulous, without
recourse to justice. I could give pages and pages of bad bus

Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel

2005-09-12 Thread Manick Harris 


Hello Dr.Pannirselvam/Subramaniam,
I read that many small scale enterprises are encouraged in India, with tax exemption. If project funding can be arranged somewhere in Chennai or any other suitable place with proper allowances I could come there to help out in ethanolof ethanol  and wood pyrolysis.  Or perhaps as special Institute/ College  project where we won't be harassed by petty officials out for quick buck. With engines modified to run on E85 and wood spirit.Once project is finished I'll return to Penang.LOL
Manickh
 
"subramanian D.V" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Dear Mr. PanneerSelvam,
I've been reading your inputs to this forum quite for sometime and your enthusiasm is really contagious! but there are problems for individuals  for producing alcohol. 
The process is simple enough for small scale (back yard) production which you recommend. raw material such as sweet sorghum and sugar beet can be grown ; the economics of production is well known to those in the field. Special strains of sweet sorghum are available in National Research Institutes in Hyderabad, as well as at Indian Institute of Agricultural Research . But.
The moment I announce that I'm going to make my own fuel ( for personal use) half a dozen Govt agencies will raid my place ! Production of ethyl alcohol is not possible without Govt license (which is not easy to get for an individual), payment of several duties and taxes and bribes on the side. 
Even if the farmers make alcohol on the sly, on second thoughts they would rather drink it than use for fuel. You know the types in India.
On the commercial scale Indian Sugar Mills Assocn have half a million litres of surplus ethanol for E05 in the whole country but then the Indian oil corporation is still dragging its feet issuing purchase tenders  for ethanol. 
So these are the ground realities here. Still I keep hoping it will change in due course.
 
Regards,
 
Subramanian 
 
 
"Pannirselvam P.V" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Dear  Manick     I am native of South India.It is very true that  Malaysia and India,the fuel alcohol can be mis used as the drinks. Brazil , where  I live now ,here too are  making  alcohol for local  consume and exportation  as  the  alcoholic drinks and fuel made from sugarcane and fruits as both are the needs    In south India  where there is always  power cut  expected  more than 30  porcent    , locally made distilled home made alcohol, the  municipal  government can buy and use for transport and power generation. You are showing the real problem of  corrupt practice  there .Thus local use of ethanol for fuel   instead of commercial use  can  solve the powercut there.This is need decentralised
 development of  municipality.Only private company need to do all , under corrupted  some political party  not  bothered about real problem of energy development.   Based on traditional local home made alcohol  , India can produce  as much as  Brazil (2 bilhoes  liter of  alcohol for food and fuel) and can solve the energy crisis.The farmer need to put light in the night and make plantation in India where  as the  farmer from USA, France  and Europe  has  government  financial help.Manick , surely India  and can  make  possible  the home made decentralised  bio ethanol that thus make using pot  , to put in their small  motorised bicycle , thus making them independent   to get away the poverty and all corrupted  petroleum business , which is the root cause of  the poverty, making people dependence on imported fuel that they can not
 pay.   I wish to request  Keith  to publish  via our list members from India about the low cost pot distillation, as this so simple  and low cost ,any one can made fuel in their home based on this  pot made tradicional alcohol which  had made and making  making story of so many tragedy  and death of alcohol addiction .But this bad story can be made to be real a solution for the energy crysis sdPannirselvam   
On 9/10/05, Manick Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Tq Chris,
My reason for posting is to stimulate interest to convince other group members to undertake ethanol and power generation projects.I am not in a position to do them here in Malaysia or India, countries full of skull-duggering and danger of losing all the investment due to fraudulent practices by the unscrupulous, without recourse to justice. I could give pages and pages of bad business ethics. It is very bad here which is the main reason this country is in languishing the  doldrums. The best I can do is to convince members that these concepts are viable and that there is great need to now to find alternatives to petroleum fuels. Cheers 
Manickh 
Chris lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:

> hey! i just remembered, homebrew champagne makers are cautioned to make > surethat all yeast has been killed before finla bottling, lest continued fermentation generate so much pressure that it pops the cork.

Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel

2005-09-11 Thread Keith Addison 
Hello Pannir and all

>  Hellow Keith
>   Thank you very much for your kind reply.
>
>You're welcome, I hope we manage to do it.
>
> > As Manick is from India ,
>
>As Manick is from Malasia and also he move often there
>I have written to him about your  dedicated to help all the farmer 
>in the world , the only one such in net.

Thankyou Pan, fortunately there are many projects, of many different kinds.

>Doesn't the same thing happen in Brazil too? And in Africa?
>
> Fermentation is the same as you think.But the  distillation
>has three pot the bigpot wood  fired at the bottom , the 
>intermediate size pot  at the top as
>the condensor  with  water and the small pot  inside  big one under 
>the watercondensing pot with some suport
>
>The foto can make the understandin well .
>
>May be our list members can improve the degin .

Have you seen this?

http://www.manalagi.com/jamesplace/indonesia/sopi/index.html
Culture Corner Archive: Makin' Moonshine

... from the juice of the lontar palm, in Indonesia.

> The other project I need help from you is to make solid  gelbiofuel 
>using the waste from Bio D
>process as this require low cost stoves

I don't know how to do that. The biodiesel by-product cocktail burns, 
but not all of it burns and it doesn't burn very cleanly unless it's 
at high temperatures, much higher than in low cost stoves.

See:

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me9.html
Journey to Forever's forced-air biofuel heater
"Prof. Michael Allen told me he thought it needed a burning 
temperature in excess of 1,000 deg C (1,800 deg F) "and you will 
probably need a mean residence time in the Hot Box of about 5 
seconds". And perhaps pre-heating and atomisation as well."

> I wish your hard work of  JFT the  great  work need to have great 
>future , making possible the links of  people via web conference etc 
>so that  our journey together possible as I find JFT  is simple 
>useful and practical than many fotologs, weblogs .

This list was our first network, it sure worked well. There are 
others too of various kinds, quite a lot of them. Some seem to be 
building themselves, offshoots. Organically grown. :-)

>  Let me have the helping hand  for your sleepless work

But you always do Pan.

Let's finish building the integrated small-scale biorefinery, fuel 
and food for local self-reliance. It's come a long way already. We've 
covered a lot of ground here this summer, with both fuel and food. We 
haven't built a biogas unit yet (next), nor distilled ethanol, but 
that's winter work anyway in Japan (we've found a local brewer to 
work with). Nor woodgas yet, also for winter.

We've made good progress with project development in general, lots of 
changes coming I think.

>thanking you

And you.

Best wishes

Keith



>yours
>Pannirselvasm
>
>
> >   Balaji can be  of very much helpful  and there are a lot of our
> >list members .
>
>Yes, lots of Indian members, including many who don't post. They're
>welcome anyway of course, but maybe some of them can help with this.
>
>Best wishes
>
>Keith
>
>
> >Thanking You
> > Yours truely
> >Pannirselvam
> >
> >
> >On 9/10/05, Keith Addison
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>org>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> >wrote:


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Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel

2005-09-11 Thread subramanian D.V 
Dear Mr. PanneerSelvam,
I've been reading your inputs to this forum quite for sometime and your enthusiasm is really contagious! but there are problems for individuals  for producing alcohol. 
The process is simple enough for small scale (back yard) production which you recommend. raw material such as sweet sorghum and sugar beet can be grown ; the economics of production is well known to those in the field. Special strains of sweet sorghum are available in National Research Institutes in Hyderabad, as well as at Indian Institute of Agricultural Research . But.
The moment I announce that I'm going to make my own fuel ( for personal use) half a dozen Govt agencies will raid my place ! Production of ethyl alcohol is not possible without Govt license (which is not easy to get for an individual), payment of several duties and taxes and bribes on the side. 
Even if the farmers make alcohol on the sly, on second thoughts they would rather drink it than use for fuel. You know the types in India.
On the commercial scale Indian Sugar Mills Assocn have half a million litres of surplus ethanol for E05 in the whole country but then the Indian oil corporation is still dragging its feet issuing purchase tenders  for ethanol. 
So these are the ground realities here. Still I keep hoping it will change in due course.
 
Regards,
 
Subramanian 
 
 
"Pannirselvam P.V" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Dear  Manick     I am native of South India.It is very true that  Malaysia and India,the fuel alcohol can be mis used as the drinks. Brazil , where  I live now ,here too are  making  alcohol for local  consume and exportation  as  the  alcoholic drinks and fuel made from sugarcane and fruits as both are the needs    In south India  where there is always  power cut  expected  more than 30  porcent    , locally made distilled home made alcohol, the  municipal  government can buy and use for transport and power generation. You are showing the real problem of  corrupt practice  there .Thus local use of ethanol for fuel   instead of commercial use  can  solve the powercut there.This is need decentralised
 development of  municipality.Only private company need to do all , under corrupted  some political party  not  bothered about real problem of energy development.   Based on traditional local home made alcohol  , India can produce  as much as  Brazil (2 bilhoes  liter of  alcohol for food and fuel) and can solve the energy crisis.The farmer need to put light in the night and make plantation in India where  as the  farmer from USA, France  and Europe  has  government  financial help.Manick , surely India  and can  make  possible  the home made decentralised  bio ethanol that thus make using pot  , to put in their small  motorised bicycle , thus making them independent   to get away the poverty and all corrupted  petroleum business , which is the root cause of  the poverty, making people dependence on imported fuel that they can not
 pay.   I wish to request  Keith  to publish  via our list members from India about the low cost pot distillation, as this so simple  and low cost ,any one can made fuel in their home based on this  pot made tradicional alcohol which  had made and making  making story of so many tragedy  and death of alcohol addiction .But this bad story can be made to be real a solution for the energy crysis sdPannirselvam   
On 9/10/05, Manick Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Tq Chris,
My reason for posting is to stimulate interest to convince other group members to undertake ethanol and power generation projects.I am not in a position to do them here in Malaysia or India, countries full of skull-duggering and danger of losing all the investment due to fraudulent practices by the unscrupulous, without recourse to justice. I could give pages and pages of bad business ethics. It is very bad here which is the main reason this country is in languishing the  doldrums. The best I can do is to convince members that these concepts are viable and that there is great need to now to find alternatives to petroleum fuels. Cheers 
Manickh
Chris lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:

> hey! i just remembered, homebrew champagne makers are cautioned to make > surethat all yeast has been killed before finla bottling, lest continued fermentation generate so much pressure that it pops the cork.

Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel

2005-09-10 Thread Pannirselvam P.V 
   

  Hellow Keith   Thank you very much for your kind reply.
You're welcome, I hope we manage to do it.> As Manick is from India ,As Manick is from Malasia and also he move often there
I have written to him about your  dedicated to help all the farmer in the world , the only one such in net.
Doesn't the same thing happen in Brazil too? And in Africa?
 Fermentation is the same as you think.But the  distillation 
has three pot the bigpot wood  fired at the bottom , the  intermediate size pot  at the top as 
the condensor  with  water and the small pot 
inside  big one under  the watercondensing pot with some
suport

The foto can make the understandin well .

May be our list members can improve the degin .

 The other project I need help from you is to make solid  gelbiofuel  using the waste from Bio D 
process as this require low cost stoves 

 I wish your hard work of  JFT the  great  work
need to have great future , making possible the links of  people
via web conference etc so that  our journey together possible as I
find JFT  is simple useful and practical than many fotologs,
weblogs .

  Let me have the helping hand  for your sleepless work

thanking you
yours 
Pannirselvasm
>   Balaji can be  of very much helpful  and there are a lot of our>list members .
Yes, lots of Indian members, including many who don't post. They'rewelcome anyway of course, but maybe some of them can help with this.Best wishesKeith>Thanking You> Yours truely
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Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel

2005-09-10 Thread Keith Addison 
Hello Pannir

>  Hellow Keith
>
> Thank you very much for your kind reply.

You're welcome, I hope we manage to do it.

> As Manick is from India ,

But Manick is from Malaysia.

>I am going to request him to make foto  of this simple distillation 
>using pot  made by poor people  of the soth of India.

Doesn't the same thing happen in Brazil too? And in Africa?

>   Balaji can be  of very much helpful  and there are a lot of our 
>list members .

Yes, lots of Indian members, including many who don't post. They're 
welcome anyway of course, but maybe some of them can help with this.

Best wishes

Keith


>Thanking You
> Yours truely
>Pannirselvam
>
>
>On 9/10/05, Keith Addison 
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Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel

2005-09-10 Thread Pannirselvam P.V 
  Hellow Keith 



 Thank you very much for your kind reply.

 As Manick is from India , I am going to request him to make foto 
of this simple distillation  using pot  made by poor people  of the
soth of India.



   Balaji can be  of very much helpful  and there are a lot of our list members .



Thanking You

 Yours truely

Pannirselvam
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Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel

2005-09-10 Thread Keith Addison 
Dear Pannir, Manick

Dear  Manick

 

Manick , surely India  and can  make  possible  the home made decentralised  bio ethanol that thus make using pot  , to put in their small  motorised bicycle , thus making them independent   to get away the poverty and all corrupted  petroleum business , which is the root cause of  the poverty, making people dependence on imported fuel that they can not pay.

I wish to request  Keith  to publish  via our list members from India about the low cost pot distillation, as this so simple  and low cost ,any one can made fuel in their home based on this  pot made tradicional alcohol which  had made and making  making story of so many tragedy  and death of alcohol addiction .But this bad story can be made to be real a solution for the energy crysis

It's one reason I first thought, years ago, that ethanol might be a better energy choice in 3rd World rural communities than biodiesel/SVO. The distilling technology is found just about everywhere, even if people won't admit it. Maybe it can also be improved and made safer - tragedies are common all over the world with sometimes scores of people being killed by badly made local liquor. 

I'd be happy to upload plans for a simple pot still anyone anywhere can make, if someone can provide the plans, and instructions for building and use, including fermenting, for common sugar and starch crops. 

Best wishes

Keith Addison 
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Pannirselvam



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Tq Chris,
My reason for posting is to stimulate interest to convince other group members to undertake ethanol and power generation projects.I am not in a position to do them here in Malaysia or India, countries full of skull-duggering and danger of losing all the investment due to fraudulent practices by the unscrupulous, without recourse to justice. I could give pages and pages of bad business ethics. It is very bad here which is the main reason this country is in languishing the  doldrums. The best I can do is to convince members that these concepts are viable and that there is great need to now to find alternatives to petroleum fuels. Cheers
Manickh


Chris lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:

> hey! i just remembered, homebrew champagne makers are cautioned to make
> sure
that all yeast has been killed before finla bottling, lest continued
fermentation generate so much pressure that it pops the cork. <

That cannot be right as to do so would leave you with flat champagne, you
need the secondary fermentation to make any wine/beer fizzy. Champagne
bottles have their corks wired on anyway. Chris.



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