Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
Hi D...good idea collecting
the water thru the Pur first then distilling. Muy
excellente!!!
Linus Pauling...a true hero.
Man, sorry to hear about the periodontal stuff. But glad you have a
remedy.
The colloidal silver I keep hearing about, but haven't tried. Just
haven't felt the need. The wife and I don't do the flu shot
stuff, but with whatever else we're doing, the years keep rolling
by so far without any viral problems. Maybe being a bit ornery helps.
Mike
- Original Message -
From:
D.
Mindock
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:41
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
Hi Mike,
Yeah, my distiller has
that drip thingy too. But I don't trust it very much. It is just
too small and the water merely flows
over a the carbon granules. So I use a faucet
mounted carbon block filter. It is a
Pur but Brita and some others make them too.
I collect that filtered water and then
distill it.
I am familiar with
Bronson. I think that is the company that Linus Pauling used as
his source for vitamin C.
Ok about the vit & min
supplement. You got your bases covered. I take the same
stuff, basically. Because
I have periodontal disease,
I also take grapefruit seed extract, olive leaf extract,
and MSM. If I layoff taking these, I
get a bloody toothbrush that reminds me that I need
to stay with the program. Oh, and I do
take colloidal silver too.
Peace & light, D.
Mindock
- Original Message -
From:
M&K
DuPree
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:37
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
Closed-Mindedness (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
Hi D...regarding
removing the gases, the distiller I use finishes the process by dripping the
water through a carbon filter. Is this what you're talking
about?
Regarding the mineral replacement, I
take a vitamin and mineral supplement from a company called
Bronson. They call it "Insurance Formula." It is a formulation
based on a book written by a Dr. Roger J. Williams, The
Wonderful World Within You (Bantam, 1977) (How's that for
documentation, Bob?) It's been ages since I've read the book, so can't
tell you a damn thing about it. We buy direct from Bronson, not a
multilevel deal or anything. Prices seem real good, so have never
considered anything else.
Mike DuPree
- Original Message -
From:
D.
Mindock
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:58
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
Closed-Mindedness (Was HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as
Evidence)
Hi Mike,
Yep,
homogenization breaks the particles down to such a small size that
they
can pass through the gut into the
body cavity where they put a burden on the immune
system. Pastuerization adds to the
problem by destroying the "life force" of the
milk, the enzymes. Of course the
milk has to be from a healthy animal that is grass
fed. Soy is controversial in that
it has hormonal effects. Also it is a GM crop with
all that that implies. But if you
seem to be thriving on it, eh, what the heck?
WRT distilled water,
just take an extra mineral tablet each day.
That's what I do. The thing with
distillers is that they are poor wrt to removing
volatile gases, like benzene, etc.
So I run the water through a carbon filter like
that from Pur to get those gases
out. Also there's the removal of lead, cadmium,
etc., then the distiller
cleans up the residual. So the water is pretty clean. It is
strange
though that the Pur filter allows
the flouride to pass through. Who needs that crap?
Anyway, the distiller removes
it.
Peace and light, D.
Mindock
- Original Message -
From:
M&K DuPree
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006
9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as
Evidence)
Hi D and
Mike...isn't homogenized milk whipped up into incredibly small particles
that actually scar the lining of the esophagus and arteries, thereby,
allowing cholesterol to more easily coagulate along the linings? Whether
or not it does, I say "soy milk." I know I know...tastes terrible,
to som
Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
Hi Mike, Yeah, my distiller has that drip thingy too. But I don't trust it very much. It is just too small and the water merely flows over a the carbon granules. So I use a faucet mounted carbon block filter. It is a Pur but Brita and some others make them too. I collect that filtered water and then distill it. I am familiar with Bronson. I think that is the company that Linus Pauling used as his source for vitamin C. Ok about the vit & min supplement. You got your bases covered. I take the same stuff, basically. Because I have periodontal disease, I also take grapefruit seed extract, olive leaf extract, and MSM. If I layoff taking these, I get a bloody toothbrush that reminds me that I need to stay with the program. Oh, and I do take colloidal silver too. Peace & light, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: M&K DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hi D...regarding removing the gases, the distiller I use finishes the process by dripping the water through a carbon filter. Is this what you're talking about? Regarding the mineral replacement, I take a vitamin and mineral supplement from a company called Bronson. They call it "Insurance Formula." It is a formulation based on a book written by a Dr. Roger J. Williams, The Wonderful World Within You (Bantam, 1977) (How's that for documentation, Bob?) It's been ages since I've read the book, so can't tell you a damn thing about it. We buy direct from Bronson, not a multilevel deal or anything. Prices seem real good, so have never considered anything else. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hi Mike, Yep, homogenization breaks the particles down to such a small size that they can pass through the gut into the body cavity where they put a burden on the immune system. Pastuerization adds to the problem by destroying the "life force" of the milk, the enzymes. Of course the milk has to be from a healthy animal that is grass fed. Soy is controversial in that it has hormonal effects. Also it is a GM crop with all that that implies. But if you seem to be thriving on it, eh, what the heck? WRT distilled water, just take an extra mineral tablet each day. That's what I do. The thing with distillers is that they are poor wrt to removing volatile gases, like benzene, etc. So I run the water through a carbon filter like that from Pur to get those gases out. Also there's the removal of lead, cadmium, etc., then the distiller cleans up the residual. So the water is pretty clean. It is strange though that the Pur filter allows the flouride to pass through. Who needs that crap? Anyway, the distiller removes it. Peace and light, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: M&K DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hi D and Mike...isn't homogenized milk whipped up into incredibly small particles that actually scar the lining of the esophagus and arteries, thereby, allowing cholesterol to more easily coagulate along the linings? Whether or not it does, I say "soy milk." I know I know...tastes terrible, to some. But I only use it on cereals and a couple of desserts. Plenty of other stuff to be drinking, likeuh, waterdistilled of course...I know I know minerals etc etc...hey...distilledperiod...and don't bother me about taste...if you can taste it, it ain't water you're tasting! Yeah, I'm closed minded on this one!! LOL Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) > Hi Mike,> I think Weston Price would say to drink raw milk. When> milk is pastuerized and homogenized, it becomes harmful> to the body. So those drinking less of the bad milk in the> Harvard study would actually be be
Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
William, I do not argue that we are adding Mercury to the atmosphere as a result of burning coal .. (and then in rain to the soil and water). The question I would like answered, is: Why is there Mercury in coal? Coal is formed as a result of anaerobic decomposition of vast quantities of plant material. Why is there Mercury in coal? The same decomposition that results in Mercury in coal results in Mercury in Reservoirs . once lush valleys that have been flooded. Incredible quantities of biomass decomposing and releasing stored materials including Mercury. I'm on my way out, and only have a minute, but suggest googling methyl mercury. I suspect the story of natural emissions vs. anthopogenic sources might be surprising. I seem to recall that volcanism is a major source. How do large natural bodies of water (Lake George in the Adirondack Mts of NY) compare, in terms of Mercury levels to levels in reservoirs? My original point in mentioning Mercury in reservoirs, was to consider the lengths we have gone to deliver water to our cities. The result is, ironically, less that pure water. Tom Tom - Original Message - From: "VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) > The mercury presumably comes from air borne sources as a result of buring > coal and evaportion from other sources such as land fills in the mid-west. > We as a society use elemental mercury in alot of products such as > fluoresent light bulbs, and other electric devices. This contamination of > fish throughout the northeast is probably not due to the mercury in the > soil in the Catskils, Adirondacks, Green Mountains, White Mountains or > Pocanos. > > - Original Message - > From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] > Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) > > >> Jason & Katie, >> We have a well. We are surrounded by farm (pasture) land. I guess I >> take good water for granted. It is, after all, a basic need. >> I fish in the reservoirs that provide New York City with its >> drinking >> water. It is in the beautiful Catskill Mts of New York State. It's ironic >> that the flooding of valleys to produce clean drinking water for people >> in a >> city almost 100 miles away resulted in the release of Mercury from the >> rotting vegetation so that "The water is good to drink" they say, but you >> should limit the amount of fish you eat ... one meal of trout per week; >> one >> of smallmouth bass per month. Pregnant woman even less. >> Tom >> ----- Original Message - >> From: Jason& Katie >> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] >> Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) >> >> >> my family grew up on one well. my grandfather owns all the land around >> him >> and us, and we (4 households) are all connected to the same well and >> pump, >> and it is straight out of the bedrock, some of the sweetest, clearest, >> coldest, water i have ever drank, or will probably ever find. the only >> bad >> thing about it is the sulfur smell- we could never talk grandpa into >> buying >> a pressure tank with a spoon in it. >> i dont know how much the water actually helped, but as a kid i was only >> ever sick about once a year (flu season, and no, the flu vaccine didnt >> help >> any, so i never bothered after the first one). >> Jason >> ICQ#: 154998177 >> MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> - Original Message - >> From: M&K DuPree >> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness >> (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) >> >> >> Hi Tom...thanks for this post and especially your concern. I >> probably >> shouldn't have said anything. We've owned a distiller for years and have >> always enjoyed how the distilled water seems to make more pronounced the >> flavors of coffee, frozen oranje juice, various broths, stews, etc etc, >> and >> oh yeah, one of my favorites--scotch (single malt...Glen Moray, 12 >> year.
Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
The mercury presumably comes from air borne sources as a result of buring coal and evaportion from other sources such as land fills in the mid-west. We as a society use elemental mercury in alot of products such as fluoresent light bulbs, and other electric devices. This contamination of fish throughout the northeast is probably not due to the mercury in the soil in the Catskils, Adirondacks, Green Mountains, White Mountains or Pocanos. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) > Jason & Katie, > We have a well. We are surrounded by farm (pasture) land. I guess I > take good water for granted. It is, after all, a basic need. > I fish in the reservoirs that provide New York City with its drinking > water. It is in the beautiful Catskill Mts of New York State. It's ironic > that the flooding of valleys to produce clean drinking water for people in a > city almost 100 miles away resulted in the release of Mercury from the > rotting vegetation so that "The water is good to drink" they say, but you > should limit the amount of fish you eat ... one meal of trout per week; one > of smallmouth bass per month. Pregnant woman even less. > Tom > - Original Message - > From: Jason& Katie > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] > Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) > > > my family grew up on one well. my grandfather owns all the land around him > and us, and we (4 households) are all connected to the same well and pump, > and it is straight out of the bedrock, some of the sweetest, clearest, > coldest, water i have ever drank, or will probably ever find. the only bad > thing about it is the sulfur smell- we could never talk grandpa into buying > a pressure tank with a spoon in it. > i dont know how much the water actually helped, but as a kid i was only > ever sick about once a year (flu season, and no, the flu vaccine didnt help > any, so i never bothered after the first one). > Jason > ICQ#: 154998177 > MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: M&K DuPree > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness > (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) > > > Hi Tom...thanks for this post and especially your concern. I probably > shouldn't have said anything. We've owned a distiller for years and have > always enjoyed how the distilled water seems to make more pronounced the > flavors of coffee, frozen oranje juice, various broths, stews, etc etc, and > oh yeah, one of my favorites--scotch (single malt...Glen Moray, 12 > yearneat...two fingers...in the eveningdelicious). Never worry > about (or taste) anything between the water and our drink. But then I've > always wondered about any leaching of stuff from my body, especially the bad > stuff, because lord knows I dump enough vitamins and minerals in there to > replace many times over whatever of the good stuff might be leached. Of > course, I walk daily, getting ready to go out now in fact and keep myself in > shape in part that way. I don't know, annual visits to my traditional > westernized doc keep producing "healthy" results, except I have struggled > with cholesterol until the last exam which was preceded by flax seed, soy > milk, and increased exercise for several months prior to the exam and my > cholesterol (the bad stuff) was way down, although the good stuff wasn't > high enough for me, but my doc said it was okay. > Anyway, I'm going into all this to try and round out a big picture. > I know our water is a major piece of our overall health picture and my > choices dictate distilled. I don't trust the bottled water stuff. I sure > as heck don't trust the tap water. Your speaker's artificially softened > water claims don't surprise me at all. I suppose I could go out and buy > reverse osmosis which just sounds too weird to me. In the end, I suppose I > have to nod to the "Bob" in me and request the data, the research, the > unequivocal science that says, hey buddy, distilled bad. Even then, like > I've said up front, I'd still be closed minded on this. Something about > distilled water is just too simple, too clean, too clear, and really > refreshing. > But Tom, again, I mean this when I say it, thank you, t
Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
Jason & Katie, We have a well. We are surrounded by farm (pasture) land. I guess I take good water for granted. It is, after all, a basic need. I fish in the reservoirs that provide New York City with its drinking water. It is in the beautiful Catskill Mts of New York State. It's ironic that the flooding of valleys to produce clean drinking water for people in a city almost 100 miles away resulted in the release of Mercury from the rotting vegetation so that "The water is good to drink" they say, but you should limit the amount of fish you eat ... one meal of trout per week; one of smallmouth bass per month. Pregnant woman even less. Tom - Original Message - From: Jason& Katie To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) my family grew up on one well. my grandfather owns all the land around him and us, and we (4 households) are all connected to the same well and pump, and it is straight out of the bedrock, some of the sweetest, clearest, coldest, water i have ever drank, or will probably ever find. the only bad thing about it is the sulfur smell- we could never talk grandpa into buying a pressure tank with a spoon in it. i dont know how much the water actually helped, but as a kid i was only ever sick about once a year (flu season, and no, the flu vaccine didnt help any, so i never bothered after the first one). JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: M&K DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hi Tom...thanks for this post and especially your concern. I probably shouldn't have said anything. We've owned a distiller for years and have always enjoyed how the distilled water seems to make more pronounced the flavors of coffee, frozen oranje juice, various broths, stews, etc etc, and oh yeah, one of my favorites--scotch (single malt...Glen Moray, 12 yearneat...two fingers...in the eveningdelicious). Never worry about (or taste) anything between the water and our drink. But then I've always wondered about any leaching of stuff from my body, especially the bad stuff, because lord knows I dump enough vitamins and minerals in there to replace many times over whatever of the good stuff might be leached. Of course, I walk daily, getting ready to go out now in fact and keep myself in shape in part that way. I don't know, annual visits to my traditional westernized doc keep producing "healthy" results, except I have struggled with cholesterol until the last exam which was preceded by flax seed, soy milk, and increased exercise for several months prior to the exam and my cholesterol (the bad stuff) was way down, although the good stuff wasn't high enough for me, but my doc said it was okay. Anyway, I'm going into all this to try and round out a big picture. I know our water is a major piece of our overall health picture and my choices dictate distilled. I don't trust the bottled water stuff. I sure as heck don't trust the tap water. Your speaker's artificially softened water claims don't surprise me at all. I suppose I could go out and buy reverse osmosis which just sounds too weird to me. In the end, I suppose I have to nod to the "Bob" in me and request the data, the research, the unequivocal science that says, hey buddy, distilled bad. Even then, like I've said up front, I'd still be closed minded on this. Something about distilled water is just too simple, too clean, too clear, and really refreshing. But Tom, again, I mean this when I say it, thank you, thank you for your concern. It means everything to me. I hope you believe me. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Mike, You wrote: "Plenty of other stuff to be drinking, likeuh, waterdistilled of course...I know I know minerals etc etc...hey...distilledperiod..." Please, no. This goes back many years, but I heard a presentation by a Dr. Shapiro of the Uni
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An addendum...no water with the scotch...as I said, I drink it "neat" or straight up. Not sure how that got into my thoughts on uses of distilled water...perhaps from memories of an earlier time when I was first acquiring the taste for it with blended Dewar's and water. Ah well...been a weird day today. MD - Original Message - From: M&K DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hi Tom...thanks for this post and especially your concern. I probably shouldn't have said anything. We've owned a distiller for years and have always enjoyed how the distilled water seems to make more pronounced the flavors of coffee, frozen oranje juice, various broths, stews, etc etc, and oh yeah, one of my favorites--scotch (single malt...Glen Moray, 12 yearneat...two fingers...in the eveningdelicious). Never worry about (or taste) anything between the water and our drink. But then I've always wondered about any leaching of stuff from my body, especially the bad stuff, because lord knows I dump enough vitamins and minerals in there to replace many times over whatever of the good stuff might be leached. Of course, I walk daily, getting ready to go out now in fact and keep myself in shape in part that way. I don't know, annual visits to my traditional westernized doc keep producing "healthy" results, except I have struggled with cholesterol until the last exam which was preceded by flax seed, soy milk, and increased exercise for several months prior to the exam and my cholesterol (the bad stuff) was way down, although the good stuff wasn't high enough for me, but my doc said it was okay. Anyway, I'm going into all this to try and round out a big picture. I know our water is a major piece of our overall health picture and my choices dictate distilled. I don't trust the bottled water stuff. I sure as heck don't trust the tap water. Your speaker's artificially softened water claims don't surprise me at all. I suppose I could go out and buy reverse osmosis which just sounds too weird to me. In the end, I suppose I have to nod to the "Bob" in me and request the data, the research, the unequivocal science that says, hey buddy, distilled bad. Even then, like I've said up front, I'd still be closed minded on this. Something about distilled water is just too simple, too clean, too clear, and really refreshing. But Tom, again, I mean this when I say it, thank you, thank you for your concern. It means everything to me. I hope you believe me. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Mike, You wrote: "Plenty of other stuff to be drinking, likeuh, waterdistilled of course...I know I know minerals etc etc...hey...distilledperiod..." Please, no. This goes back many years, but I heard a presentation by a Dr. Shapiro of the Univ. of Pittsburgh School of Public Health in which he suggested that softened, or worse, distilled water increases one's risk of cardiovascular disease. His conclusion was based on studies of communities that "softened" their water and then went back to "hard" water. There was an increase in cardiovascular disease in the years following treatment to soften the water. There was a decrease in cardiovascular disease in the years following reverting back to hard water. (Zinc may have been the key element.) I believe that this is why cold water lines for drinking and food prep .. bypass water softeners when the water softeners are properly installed. There has been much discussion about practices that grow healthful foods, and processing that compromises the healthfulness of our food. Please consider the water you drink as well. If you do not have access to good, healthful water, and distilled is your best option, I wonder if there is a way to restore it to a more natural state. I know that some beer brewers living in municipalities that soften their water, add something to restore the minerals. Wishing you good health, Tom - Original Message - From: M&K DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelis
Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
my family grew up on one well. my grandfather owns all the land around him and us, and we (4 households) are all connected to the same well and pump, and it is straight out of the bedrock, some of the sweetest, clearest, coldest, water i have ever drank, or will probably ever find. the only bad thing about it is the sulfur smell- we could never talk grandpa into buying a pressure tank with a spoon in it. i dont know how much the water actually helped, but as a kid i was only ever sick about once a year (flu season, and no, the flu vaccine didnt help any, so i never bothered after the first one). JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: M&K DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hi Tom...thanks for this post and especially your concern. I probably shouldn't have said anything. We've owned a distiller for years and have always enjoyed how the distilled water seems to make more pronounced the flavors of coffee, frozen oranje juice, various broths, stews, etc etc, and oh yeah, one of my favorites--scotch (single malt...Glen Moray, 12 yearneat...two fingers...in the eveningdelicious). Never worry about (or taste) anything between the water and our drink. But then I've always wondered about any leaching of stuff from my body, especially the bad stuff, because lord knows I dump enough vitamins and minerals in there to replace many times over whatever of the good stuff might be leached. Of course, I walk daily, getting ready to go out now in fact and keep myself in shape in part that way. I don't know, annual visits to my traditional westernized doc keep producing "healthy" results, except I have struggled with cholesterol until the last exam which was preceded by flax seed, soy milk, and increased exercise for several months prior to the exam and my cholesterol (the bad stuff) was way down, although the good stuff wasn't high enough for me, but my doc said it was okay. Anyway, I'm going into all this to try and round out a big picture. I know our water is a major piece of our overall health picture and my choices dictate distilled. I don't trust the bottled water stuff. I sure as heck don't trust the tap water. Your speaker's artificially softened water claims don't surprise me at all. I suppose I could go out and buy reverse osmosis which just sounds too weird to me. In the end, I suppose I have to nod to the "Bob" in me and request the data, the research, the unequivocal science that says, hey buddy, distilled bad. Even then, like I've said up front, I'd still be closed minded on this. Something about distilled water is just too simple, too clean, too clear, and really refreshing. But Tom, again, I mean this when I say it, thank you, thank you for your concern. It means everything to me. I hope you believe me. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Mike, You wrote: "Plenty of other stuff to be drinking, likeuh, waterdistilled of course...I know I know minerals etc etc...hey...distilledperiod..." Please, no. This goes back many years, but I heard a presentation by a Dr. Shapiro of the Univ. of Pittsburgh School of Public Health in which he suggested that softened, or worse, distilled water increases one's risk of cardiovascular disease. His conclusion was based on studies of communities that "softened" their water and then went back to "hard" water. There was an increase in cardiovascular disease in the years following treatment to soften the water. There was a decrease in cardiovascular disease in the years following reverting back to hard water. (Zinc may have been the key element.) I believe that this is why cold water lines for drinking and food prep .. bypass water softeners when the water softeners are properly installed. There has been much discussion about practices that grow healthful foods, and processing that compromises the healthfulness of our food. Please consider the water you drink as well. If you do not have access to good, healthful water, and distilled is your best option, I wonder if there is a way to restore it to a more natural state. I know that some beer brewers living in munici
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Mike,
I meant to say: Make
for yourself a great reality. But making yourself a great reality is ok
too. It
is all the same in the end. I really love
this. I like that sentiment, Let Go--Let God. I do that when
I feel like I am holding on to too many
burdens from the past.
Thanks too to you & others in
this thread. And especially our host Keith for Journey To
Forever.
Peace and joy, D. Mindock
- Original Message -
From:
M&K
DuPree
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:47
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
Hi D and List...thank
you. Thank ALL of you. Yes, make myself a great reality or,
perhaps more accurately, let myself be that great reality, making myself that
great reality thereby.
I accept I am highly unskilled along these lines. Too often "I" get
in the way of "Us." Too often I see only the specific, the
isolated object, and act inappropriately, failing to
ask how might I help the specific resolve itself into the
truth of our connection.
I'm reminded of the saying, "Let Go--Let God." I hope somehow
my remembrance and use of this exhortation within the context I am
using it is clearly understood. Too often it used as an
excuse to set aside personal responsibility and that is not my
intent. To the contrary, I advocate the ultimate responsibility:
let myself become the great reality.
To anyone I may have offended because I let myself get in
the way of understanding the individual's connection to ALL, I ask
your forgiveness and I thank you for giving me the opportunity to better
understand how I might better understand how I am connected to ALL. Mike
DuPree
- Original Message -
From:
D.
Mindock
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:07
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
Closed-Mindedness (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
Hi Mike,
Quantum physics seems to
be verifying much of metaphysical concepts. The idea of everything
being
connected is one such idea.
Actually experiencing it is life changing. The idea of all things being
intimately
connected is then no longer an
abstract thing, but real. Things like war or killing another human are no longer possible.
Killing another becomes killing yourself. War is seen as
a monstrosity. Peace &
cooperation become as natural as breathing.
Probably the
way to go is to always assume the best intentions wrt messages via
email or on this list. Email is a stripped of a lot of feeling and can be easily misconstrued. Joe does an
admirable job of getting his ideas across with email. I still am learning how to use email so that I don't
offend. This forum is good learning experience for me.
Yep, experiencing the
feeling of all pervasive connectedness becomes a knowing, beyond faith.
So
it becomes part of your intrinsic
makeup--your being. This connectedness extends to your own
soul/spirit.
I heard Deepak Chopra speak last
week. He presents this idea of Unity in a stunningly clear way
via
quantum physics and his knowledge of
the human body. He is a endocrinologist, one of the best in the
world. Nothing beats actually
experiencing it, but listening to him explain it led to a-ha
moments.
We do create our
own reality. So make yourself a great reality.
Peace & light, D.
Mindock
- Original Message -
From:
M&K
DuPree
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:48
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
Closed-Mindedness (Was HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as
Evidence)
Hey D...I hear
ya. Much is lost oftentimes in the written word, especially tone of
voice and other body language, so I sometimes don't know if I'm running up
against a real arrogance or genuine inquiry. Nonetheless, I agree
that objections to our beliefs and feelings, especially as they shape our
perceptions of what is, can only be clarified if indeed we are truly
"open-minded." In that regards, I recognize I am very "close-minded"
about one thing, our connection to all that is. But curiously, this
makes me very "open-minded" to both the probabilities and possibilities
inherent within those connections, an attitude I find lacking in our dear
self-professed archetype/cultural icon Bob and so many folks. And I
wonder that it is because of this that we face so many of the "problems"
Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
Addendum...I hope it is
understood that when I said anything about "I" being a "great reality," I was
responding most immediately to the wise words of D. and that, even though I
was speaking for myself, I was speaking with all of us, with all
the universe, in mind. I may yet tend toward the egocentric, but not so
much so that I would consider myself above--or below--any other. And
again, I'm sorry if any prior post of mine offended anyone. I
suppose there will always be someone offended by something any of us might
say or do, but there is a difference between when we intend offense,
such as I intended in several prior posts, and when we simply
express ourselves and someone is offended. Mike DuPree
- Original Message -
From:
M&K
DuPree
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:47
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
Hi D and List...thank
you. Thank ALL of you. Yes, make myself a great reality or,
perhaps more accurately, let myself be that great reality, making myself that
great reality thereby.
I accept I am highly unskilled along these lines. Too often "I" get
in the way of "Us." Too often I see only the specific, the
isolated object, and act inappropriately, failing to
ask how might I help the specific resolve itself into the
truth of our connection.
I'm reminded of the saying, "Let Go--Let God." I hope somehow
my remembrance and use of this exhortation within the context I am
using it is clearly understood. Too often it used as an
excuse to set aside personal responsibility and that is not my
intent. To the contrary, I advocate the ultimate responsibility:
let myself become the great reality.
To anyone I may have offended because I let myself get in
the way of understanding the individual's connection to ALL, I ask
your forgiveness and I thank you for giving me the opportunity to better
understand how I might better understand how I am connected to ALL. Mike
DuPree
- Original Message -
From:
D.
Mindock
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:07
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
Closed-Mindedness (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
Hi Mike,
Quantum physics seems to
be verifying much of metaphysical concepts. The idea of everything
being
connected is one such idea.
Actually experiencing it is life changing. The idea of all things being
intimately
connected is then no longer an
abstract thing, but real. Things like war or killing another human are no longer possible.
Killing another becomes killing yourself. War is seen as
a monstrosity. Peace &
cooperation become as natural as breathing.
Probably the
way to go is to always assume the best intentions wrt messages via
email or on this list. Email is a stripped of a lot of feeling and can be easily misconstrued. Joe does an
admirable job of getting his ideas across with email. I still am learning how to use email so that I don't
offend. This forum is good learning experience for me.
Yep, experiencing the
feeling of all pervasive connectedness becomes a knowing, beyond faith.
So
it becomes part of your intrinsic
makeup--your being. This connectedness extends to your own
soul/spirit.
I heard Deepak Chopra speak last
week. He presents this idea of Unity in a stunningly clear way
via
quantum physics and his knowledge of
the human body. He is a endocrinologist, one of the best in the
world. Nothing beats actually
experiencing it, but listening to him explain it led to a-ha
moments.
We do create our
own reality. So make yourself a great reality.
Peace & light, D.
Mindock
- Original Message -
From:
M&K
DuPree
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:48
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
Closed-Mindedness (Was HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as
Evidence)
Hey D...I hear
ya. Much is lost oftentimes in the written word, especially tone of
voice and other body language, so I sometimes don't know if I'm running up
against a real arrogance or genuine inquiry. Nonetheless, I agree
that objections to our beliefs and feelings, especially as they shape our
perceptions of what is, can only be clarified if indeed we are truly
"open-minded." In that regards, I recognize I am very "close-minded"
about one thing, our connection to all that is. But curiously, this
Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
Hi D and List...thank you. Thank ALL of you. Yes, make myself a great reality or, perhaps more accurately, let myself be that great reality, making myself that great reality thereby. I accept I am highly unskilled along these lines. Too often "I" get in the way of "Us." Too often I see only the specific, the isolated object, and act inappropriately, failing to ask how might I help the specific resolve itself into the truth of our connection. I'm reminded of the saying, "Let Go--Let God." I hope somehow my remembrance and use of this exhortation within the context I am using it is clearly understood. Too often it used as an excuse to set aside personal responsibility and that is not my intent. To the contrary, I advocate the ultimate responsibility: let myself become the great reality. To anyone I may have offended because I let myself get in the way of understanding the individual's connection to ALL, I ask your forgiveness and I thank you for giving me the opportunity to better understand how I might better understand how I am connected to ALL. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hi Mike, Quantum physics seems to be verifying much of metaphysical concepts. The idea of everything being connected is one such idea. Actually experiencing it is life changing. The idea of all things being intimately connected is then no longer an abstract thing, but real. Things like war or killing another human are no longer possible. Killing another becomes killing yourself. War is seen as a monstrosity. Peace & cooperation become as natural as breathing. Probably the way to go is to always assume the best intentions wrt messages via email or on this list. Email is a stripped of a lot of feeling and can be easily misconstrued. Joe does an admirable job of getting his ideas across with email. I still am learning how to use email so that I don't offend. This forum is good learning experience for me. Yep, experiencing the feeling of all pervasive connectedness becomes a knowing, beyond faith. So it becomes part of your intrinsic makeup--your being. This connectedness extends to your own soul/spirit. I heard Deepak Chopra speak last week. He presents this idea of Unity in a stunningly clear way via quantum physics and his knowledge of the human body. He is a endocrinologist, one of the best in the world. Nothing beats actually experiencing it, but listening to him explain it led to a-ha moments. We do create our own reality. So make yourself a great reality. Peace & light, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: M&K DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hey D...I hear ya. Much is lost oftentimes in the written word, especially tone of voice and other body language, so I sometimes don't know if I'm running up against a real arrogance or genuine inquiry. Nonetheless, I agree that objections to our beliefs and feelings, especially as they shape our perceptions of what is, can only be clarified if indeed we are truly "open-minded." In that regards, I recognize I am very "close-minded" about one thing, our connection to all that is. But curiously, this makes me very "open-minded" to both the probabilities and possibilities inherent within those connections, an attitude I find lacking in our dear self-professed archetype/cultural icon Bob and so many folks. And I wonder that it is because of this that we face so many of the "problems" that we do today or ever. I'm satisfied, however, that it doesn't matter. What is true is true, and ours is not to make it so, but only to realize it. Not an easy task being human. Thanks for your many posts D. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 5:51 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)> Yo Mike,> I'm a night owl. I go to bed at dawn. Four years working rotating shifts> as a weather> forecaster has totally screwed up whatever body clock I had. I was a > preemie> and the> lights were on all the time. That was the first assault on my body clock.> Bob is Bo
