Re: [Biofuel] Greenest and meanest of the year (Zeke Yewdall)
Hello Dawie, Urban people will benefit by taking on a congestion charge similar to that of London, Eng. which has helped the air quality, reduced GHG, helped transit, and improved travelling times. Terry Dyck >From: Dawie Coetzee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Greenest and meanest of the year (Zeke Yewdall) >Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:12:04 + (GMT) > >You said it, Zeke. Urban form, vehicles, fuels, and public transport all >act together. Any solution has to address all components. A lot of people >are working on various parts, but the parts never seem to come together or, >worse, the parts contradict one another. Like making 7 or 8 million cars a >year to justify the "tight" embodied technology and then expecting people >to leave them parked at home. > >At the risk of becoming tedious, I repeat, cities change all the time, and >the way in which they change can and should be channelled in a better >direction, and now. Biofuel people need to get into urban form issues, and >vice versa. > >-Dawie > > >From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:09:19 -0700 >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="=_Part_14907_24782270.1170976159863" >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Greenest and meanest of the year >Message: 5 > > > >On 2/8/07, robert and benita rabello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Our neighborhood was designed to insulate families >from one another. The dearth of public spaces, the lack of commercial >development and recreational activities compel everyone to get into the >car and drive somewhere else. > >Don't you understand how the economy works? If people in a community all >walk to a public space and talk amongst each other and play and actually >become a community, they aren't inside their miserable little houses >watching TV and seeing ads for stuff that they can then drive to the mall >and buy. Buying stuff and pharmaceuticals to try to make yourself not feel >as depressed about your meaningless life can't be sustained if you have too >much human socialization and start feeling better adjusted just from being >around people you like hanging out with. > >Z > > > >___ >The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from >your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > _ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Greenest and meanest of the year (Zeke Yewdall)
Dawie Coetzee wrote: At the risk of becoming tedious, I repeat, cities change all the time, and the way in which they change can and should be channelled in a better direction, and now. Biofuel people need to get into urban form issues, and vice versa. This is a difficult thing to do. Locally, for instance, a landowner / developer / contractor pact has formed that actually undermines the ability of local peple to have a say in development issues. We had a moratorium on development in the nearby hills, but the developers began installing the infrastructure for new housing tracts and the municipality caved in because these people had already made a significant investment in "improving" land. The municipality has no other way of raising money than to increase its tax base, so the local government has a financial incentive to allow unbridled development. There are only two ways up the hill to where I live. There are no churches up here, no recreational facilities (other than an elementary school yard), no post office, no theater, and virtually no commerce, save for a single convenience store that is struggling to survive and a video store within walking distance of my house. Going to the municipal meetings is a waste of time, because the people with money (that is, the developers and contractors) have far more influence than residents do. Worse, in my area nearly everyone has come here from somewhere else. We who have moved here seem far less passionate about limiting development than long time residents, and worse, most people who have moved here from elsewhere still work elsewhere (so they need to drive to get to their jobs), and this divides their loyalties. It's complicated and frustrating. One thing that makes this debate REALLY hard, is that the developers can look at people like me and say: "Who are you to talk? You built a house up here too!" They're just trying to earn an honest living, and while I don't begrudge them for that, the PATTERN of development forces people into their cars. Traffic has increased tremendously, along with noise and pollution, and the ongoing cost to the city to provide police, fire, water and sewage services keeps driving up our property tax rates. I wonder how long this dynamic will continue. Older people are selling their properties for HUGE profits and moving eastward, into the lovely, dry interior valleys and in doing so, they're driving up the prices there, too. Sometimes it seems that the best solution would be to start a new community altogether and get it right from the start! robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" "The Long Journey" New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Greenest and meanest of the year (Zeke Yewdall)
You said it, Zeke. Urban form, vehicles, fuels, and public transport all act together. Any solution has to address all components. A lot of people are working on various parts, but the parts never seem to come together or, worse, the parts contradict one another. Like making 7 or 8 million cars a year to justify the "tight" embodied technology and then expecting people to leave them parked at home. At the risk of becoming tedious, I repeat, cities change all the time, and the way in which they change can and should be channelled in a better direction, and now. Biofuel people need to get into urban form issues, and vice versa. -Dawie From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:09:19 -0700 Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_Part_14907_24782270.1170976159863" Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Greenest and meanest of the year Message: 5 On 2/8/07, robert and benita rabello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Our neighborhood was designed to insulate families from one another. The dearth of public spaces, the lack of commercial development and recreational activities compel everyone to get into the car and drive somewhere else. Don't you understand how the economy works? If people in a community all walk to a public space and talk amongst each other and play and actually become a community, they aren't inside their miserable little houses watching TV and seeing ads for stuff that they can then drive to the mall and buy. Buying stuff and pharmaceuticals to try to make yourself not feel as depressed about your meaningless life can't be sustained if you have too much human socialization and start feeling better adjusted just from being around people you like hanging out with. Z ___ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
