Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel
Brian, most of the CD mans are pdfs. Just print the relevant pages for the job in hand. regards Doug On Monday 10 October 2005 10:59, Brian Rodgers wrote: Very good idea thanks Doug. On 10/9/05, Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Search on the web: you may be lucky. The Haynes manualwould be available from book suppliers (but there are some inaccuracies in Haynes manuals: but they are better than nothing!) See the other similar threads for my comments on Haynes. You are right nevertheless. There is also a seller on ebay selling CDs of manuals: there could be one available there (UK supplier) Like the Mitchell's on demand set? Yeah I keep meaning to pirate those, somehow I have never got to it. But then I would need a PC in the workshop. Don't know, wishy-washy again. Truly, Brian regards Doug On Saturday 08 October 2005 10:57, Brian Rodgers wrote: Hello everybody Thank you so much for the replies. I was told when I got this car that it had a blown head gasket. The reasoning the mechanic used was excess pressure on the coolant system. Also, now that I have started the engine a few times it fires up pretty quick. Here is an excerpt from a note I sent to a friend this afternoon. It may give you a heads up on what is happening. I just made some changes to the coolant lines and it made a big difference. I took it for the 'first' test drive, sweet!!! What I have found so far: Fan clutch slipping. In-line thermostat??? Yeah the thermostat was jammed inside the big hose coming from the head to radiator, with two hose clamps holding it in place. That can't be right. Anyway it's working- I tested it in boiling water Also upon inspection there is slight discoloration on the Thermostat inflow side, looks like exhaust smoke. Still blowing white smoke when idling. Smoke turns black when accelerating. Shifts great, all gears work. No speedo. As you can see it may indeed be a blown head gasket. Although no oil emulsion (coolant in oil) and no oil in coolant. What I would really like is a shop manual for this car. If I am going to pull the head I feel better if I know where everything goes back to. Not to mention, torques and bolt tightening patterns. Does anyone know of a good Peugeot parts supplier? Again thanks for the info and help. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.o rg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel
Thanks for the reply I only ever found the peugeot 505 S in the vintage CD of Michell's I got the few pages we found printed out. thanks Brian Rodgers On 10/18/05, Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, most of the CD mans are pdfs. Just print the relevant pages for the job in hand. regards Doug On Monday 10 October 2005 10:59, Brian Rodgers wrote: Very good idea thanks Doug. On 10/9/05, Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Search on the web: you may be lucky. The Haynes manualwould be available from book suppliers (but there are some inaccuracies in Haynes manuals: but they are better than nothing!) See the other similar threads for my comments on Haynes. You are right nevertheless. There is also a seller on ebay selling CDs of manuals: there could be one available there (UK supplier) Like the Mitchell's on demand set? Yeah I keep meaning to pirate those, somehow I have never got to it. But then I would need a PC in the workshop. Don't know, wishy-washy again. Truly, Brian regards Doug On Saturday 08 October 2005 10:57, Brian Rodgers wrote: Hello everybody Thank you so much for the replies. I was told when I got this car that it had a blown head gasket. The reasoning the mechanic used was excess pressure on the coolant system. Also, now that I have started the engine a few times it fires up pretty quick. Here is an excerpt from a note I sent to a friend this afternoon. It may give you a heads up on what is happening. I just made some changes to the coolant lines and it made a big difference. I took it for the 'first' test drive, sweet!!! What I have found so far: Fan clutch slipping. In-line thermostat??? Yeah the thermostat was jammed inside the big hose coming from the head to radiator, with two hose clamps holding it in place. That can't be right. Anyway it's working- I tested it in boiling water Also upon inspection there is slight discoloration on the Thermostat inflow side, looks like exhaust smoke. Still blowing white smoke when idling. Smoke turns black when accelerating. Shifts great, all gears work. No speedo. As you can see it may indeed be a blown head gasket. Although no oil emulsion (coolant in oil) and no oil in coolant. What I would really like is a shop manual for this car. If I am going to pull the head I feel better if I know where everything goes back to. Not to mention, torques and bolt tightening patterns. Does anyone know of a good Peugeot parts supplier? Again thanks for the info and help. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.o rg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel
Very good idea thanks Doug. On 10/9/05, Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Search on the web: you may be lucky. The Haynes manualwould be available from book suppliers (but there are some inaccuracies in Haynes manuals: but they are better than nothing!) See the other similar threads for my comments on Haynes. You are right nevertheless. There is also a seller on ebay selling CDs of manuals: there could be one available there (UK supplier) Like the Mitchell's on demand set? Yeah I keep meaning to pirate those, somehow I have never got to it. But then I would need a PC in the workshop. Don't know, wishy-washy again. Truly, Brian regards Doug On Saturday 08 October 2005 10:57, Brian Rodgers wrote: Hello everybody Thank you so much for the replies. I was told when I got this car that it had a blown head gasket. The reasoning the mechanic used was excess pressure on the coolant system. Also, now that I have started the engine a few times it fires up pretty quick. Here is an excerpt from a note I sent to a friend this afternoon. It may give you a heads up on what is happening. I just made some changes to the coolant lines and it made a big difference. I took it for the 'first' test drive, sweet!!! What I have found so far: Fan clutch slipping. In-line thermostat??? Yeah the thermostat was jammed inside the big hose coming from the head to radiator, with two hose clamps holding it in place. That can't be right. Anyway it's working- I tested it in boiling water Also upon inspection there is slight discoloration on the Thermostat inflow side, looks like exhaust smoke. Still blowing white smoke when idling. Smoke turns black when accelerating. Shifts great, all gears work. No speedo. As you can see it may indeed be a blown head gasket. Although no oil emulsion (coolant in oil) and no oil in coolant. What I would really like is a shop manual for this car. If I am going to pull the head I feel better if I know where everything goes back to. Not to mention, torques and bolt tightening patterns. Does anyone know of a good Peugeot parts supplier? Again thanks for the info and help. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel
Search on the web: you may be lucky. The Haynes manualwould be available from book suppliers (but there are some inaccuracies in Haynes manuals: but they are better than nothing!) There is also a seller on ebay selling CDs of manuals: there could be one available there (UK supplier) regards Doug On Saturday 08 October 2005 10:57, Brian Rodgers wrote: Hello everybody Thank you so much for the replies. I was told when I got this car that it had a blown head gasket. The reasoning the mechanic used was excess pressure on the coolant system. Also, now that I have started the engine a few times it fires up pretty quick. Here is an excerpt from a note I sent to a friend this afternoon. It may give you a heads up on what is happening. I just made some changes to the coolant lines and it made a big difference. I took it for the 'first' test drive, sweet!!! What I have found so far: Fan clutch slipping. In-line thermostat??? Yeah the thermostat was jammed inside the big hose coming from the head to radiator, with two hose clamps holding it in place. That can't be right. Anyway it's working- I tested it in boiling water Also upon inspection there is slight discoloration on the Thermostat inflow side, looks like exhaust smoke. Still blowing white smoke when idling. Smoke turns black when accelerating. Shifts great, all gears work. No speedo. As you can see it may indeed be a blown head gasket. Although no oil emulsion (coolant in oil) and no oil in coolant. What I would really like is a shop manual for this car. If I am going to pull the head I feel better if I know where everything goes back to. Not to mention, torques and bolt tightening patterns. Does anyone know of a good Peugeot parts supplier? Again thanks for the info and help. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
October 7, 2005 Hi everyone After three months of wishy washy thinking and anxiety over money to invest in my biodiesel project, this very moment my dream has been realized. I am now the proud owner of a 1981 Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle! I know what you are thinking, What's a American good ol' boy' doing with a Peugeot? Well, it is a long story, the short version is: If we live our lives in a spiritually wholesome and environmentally friendly fashion, we can expect good things to come to us. We don't need much and we have patience. Anyway, I said this is the short version right? We now have this car sitting here at the Ranch in northeastern New Mexico. It has only one mechanical problem that I can see; It is very hard to start, when it finally does it bellows blue-white smoke, and the coolant lines slowly begin to pressurize. The radiator hoses balloon up, very scary and we shut it down before they blow. At first glance it looks like a leaking head gasket. It is now sitting in front of my little workshop and I am so excited to finally have a car that I can make my own biodiesel for. Nevertheless, my rash days are past and I am content to ask first before I tear into anything mechanically. I ask for information. I am relatively new to Biofuels, but I do have a fine set of Mechanics tools, much updated from the days long ago when I was a factory trained VW mechanic. Please don't give me the negative perspective. If you do, I can take it. But I still have that wonderful glow a guy gets when he gets a new car to refurbish. How's that line go? Sing me the bad news! So far I have zero cash investment in this really cute little car. I have three Mercedes gas powered monsters which have been steadily moving closer to the ranch dump. I toyed with the idea of buying a 1982 300 Turbo Sedan that a friend has offered for $2000.00. I don't like the body style, too heavy, and we couldn't afford it anyway. This Peugeot is almost 1000 pounds lighter than my 1980 480SE. And damn, did I say it is sleek and in mint condition? So yeah that's the good news. Anybody out there have any experience with these? Looks like a very clean engine, but that may be because the radiator already washed it off with a steam bath. I have extended experience with petrol vehicles. My tools are metric and I love to read first then spin nuts after I at least think I understand. Diesel engines, this is only my second. I won't say what I did to the first one. I intend to make this motor sing again! So, I have heard of carbon buildup in the cylinders causing issues in dino-diesel motors. Any ideas? Things I could check. I suppose checking the compression through the spark plug holes is out of the question, lol. I will be looking for the factory service manual, unless it is written in French of course. Nah, I have factory service literature on the Benz and it is not in German. See how wishy washy I have become? Maybe it is the fog this morning, yeah fog in New Mexico, go figure. They have fog in France right? So how did my bio-diesel processing chemicals and WVO collecting go this week? Not well, physically. I talked it up pretty good, whatever that is worth. I think I know what I need to find for the test batches. A couple of little bottles of Heet (methanol). Blue or yellow? There is a bit of confusion in the biofuel group about this, and a jar of Red Devil drain opener (lye.) A five gallon can for transporting the WVO back to the ranch and a 12 volt pump for filling my container at the rear of the Mc Donald's. Oh, and I have to ask Vince, the owner of the local McDonald's, if is ok to use some of the WVO from his business. Ok, I am so excited about our new diesel that I am totally torn between writing and thinking about it and going out into the fog and starting… something, anything… How about learning? Sincerely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
Hi Brian, About the Peugeot 505, If the smoke is blue and white, your car is burning oil, this could be the o rings of the pistons or a liking gasket on the head of the engine. About the coolant, it seems that one of the lines are blocked I would recommend you to flash the cooling system of the engine and to clean the hoses maybe there is something there that is blocking the flow. I hope that could help Cheers JuanOn 10/7/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: October 7, 2005Hi everyoneAfter three months of wishy washy thinking and anxiety over money toinvest in my biodiesel project, this very moment my dream has beenrealized. I am now the proud owner of a 1981 Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle! I know what you are thinking, What's aAmerican good ol' boy' doing with a Peugeot? Well, it is a longstory, the short version is: If we live our lives in a spiritually wholesome and environmentally friendly fashion,we can expect goodthings to come to us. We don't need much and we have patience. Anyway,I said this is the short version right? We now have this car sitting here at the Ranch in northeastern New Mexico. It has only onemechanical problem that I can see; It is very hard to start, when itfinally does it bellows blue-white smoke, and the coolant lines slowlybegin to pressurize. The radiator hoses balloon up, very scary and we shut it down before they blow. At first glance it looks like a leakinghead gasket. It is now sitting in front of my little workshop and I amso excited to finally have a car that I can make my own biodiesel for. Nevertheless, my rash days are past and I am content to ask firstbefore I tear into anything mechanically. I ask for information.I amrelatively new to Biofuels, but I do have a fine set of Mechanicstools, much updated from the days long ago when I was a factory trained VW mechanic.Please don't give me the negative perspective.If you do, I can take it. But I still have that wonderful glowa guygets when he gets a new car to refurbish.How's that line go? Sing me the bad news! So far I have zero cash investment in this really cute little car. Ihave three Mercedes gas powered monsters which have been steadilymoving closer to the ranch dump. I toyed with the idea of buying a 1982 300 Turbo Sedan that a friend has offered for $2000.00. I don'tlike the body style,too heavy, and we couldn't afford it anyway.This Peugeot is almost 1000 pounds lighter than my 1980 480SE. Anddamn, did I say it is sleek and in mint condition? So yeah that's the good news. Anybody out there have any experience with these? Lookslike a very clean engine, but that may be because the radiator alreadywashed it off with a steam bath. I have extended experience withpetrol vehicles.My tools are metric and I love to read first then spin nuts after I at least think I understand.Diesel engines, this is only my second. I won't say what I did to thefirst one. I intend to make this motor sing again! So, I have heard ofcarbon buildup in the cylinders causing issues in dino-diesel motors. Any ideas? Things I could check. I suppose checking the compressionthrough the spark plug holes is out of the question, lol. I will belooking for the factory service manual, unless it is written in Frenchof course. Nah, I have factory service literature on the Benz and it is not in German. See how wishy washy I have become? Maybe it is thefog this morning, yeah fog in New Mexico, go figure. They have fog inFrance right?So how did my bio-diesel processing chemicals and WVO collecting go this week? Not well, physically. I talked it up pretty good, whateverthat is worth. I think I know what I need to find for the testbatches. A couple of little bottles of Heet (methanol).Blue oryellow? There is a bit of confusion in the biofuel group about this, and a jar of Red Devil drain opener (lye.) A five gallon can fortransporting the WVO back to the ranch and a 12 volt pump for fillingmy container at the rear of the Mc Donald's. Oh, and I have to askVince, the owner of the local McDonald's, if is ok to use some of the WVO from his business.Ok, I am so excited about our new diesel that I am totally tornbetween writing and thinking about it and going out into the fog andstarting… something, anything… How about learning? Sincerely, Brian Rodgers___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
October 7, 2005 Hi everyone After three months of wishy washy thinking and anxiety over money to invest in my biodiesel project, this very moment my dream has been realized. I am now the proud owner of a 1981 Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle! I know what you are thinking, I'm thinking Bravo! Well done! Good for you! Maybe I'm not the only one. See: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_404.html The best car in the world :-) A 505 is just a 404 in drag, they're great! A friend of mine drove one from London to Johannesburg, way back before they invented roads and stuff. Best of good luck with it Brian, I hope you get all the problems licked. Keith What's a American good ol' boy' doing with a Peugeot? Well, it is a long story, the short version is: If we live our lives in a spiritually wholesome and environmentally friendly fashion, we can expect good things to come to us. We don't need much and we have patience. Anyway, I said this is the short version right? We now have this car sitting here at the Ranch in northeastern New Mexico. It has only one mechanical problem that I can see; It is very hard to start, when it finally does it bellows blue-white smoke, and the coolant lines slowly begin to pressurize. The radiator hoses balloon up, very scary and we shut it down before they blow. At first glance it looks like a leaking head gasket. It is now sitting in front of my little workshop and I am so excited to finally have a car that I can make my own biodiesel for. Nevertheless, my rash days are past and I am content to ask first before I tear into anything mechanically. I ask for information. I am relatively new to Biofuels, but I do have a fine set of Mechanics tools, much updated from the days long ago when I was a factory trained VW mechanic. Please don't give me the negative perspective. If you do, I can take it. But I still have that wonderful glow a guy gets when he gets a new car to refurbish. How's that line go? Sing me the bad news! So far I have zero cash investment in this really cute little car. I have three Mercedes gas powered monsters which have been steadily moving closer to the ranch dump. I toyed with the idea of buying a 1982 300 Turbo Sedan that a friend has offered for $2000.00. I don't like the body style, too heavy, and we couldn't afford it anyway. This Peugeot is almost 1000 pounds lighter than my 1980 480SE. And damn, did I say it is sleek and in mint condition? So yeah that's the good news. Anybody out there have any experience with these? Looks like a very clean engine, but that may be because the radiator already washed it off with a steam bath. I have extended experience with petrol vehicles. My tools are metric and I love to read first then spin nuts after I at least think I understand. Diesel engines, this is only my second. I won't say what I did to the first one. I intend to make this motor sing again! So, I have heard of carbon buildup in the cylinders causing issues in dino-diesel motors. Any ideas? Things I could check. I suppose checking the compression through the spark plug holes is out of the question, lol. I will be looking for the factory service manual, unless it is written in French of course. Nah, I have factory service literature on the Benz and it is not in German. See how wishy washy I have become? Maybe it is the fog this morning, yeah fog in New Mexico, go figure. They have fog in France right? So how did my bio-diesel processing chemicals and WVO collecting go this week? Not well, physically. I talked it up pretty good, whatever that is worth. I think I know what I need to find for the test batches. A couple of little bottles of Heet (methanol). Blue or yellow? There is a bit of confusion in the biofuel group about this, and a jar of Red Devil drain opener (lye.) A five gallon can for transporting the WVO back to the ranch and a 12 volt pump for filling my container at the rear of the Mc Donald's. Oh, and I have to ask Vince, the owner of the local McDonald's, if is ok to use some of the WVO from his business. Ok, I am so excited about our new diesel that I am totally torn between writing and thinking about it and going out into the fog and startingÖ something, anythingÖ How about learning? Sincerely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
Good find! On the smoke, I'd replace the coolant hoses so you can get it up to operating temp, and check the glow plugs.It could be something as simple as a bit of unburned fuel due to being cold..., and will go way when it's warm. On 10/7/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: October 7, 2005 Hi everyone After three months of wishy washy thinking and anxiety over money to invest in my biodiesel project, this very moment my dream has been realized. I am now the proud owner of a 1981 Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle! I know what you are thinking, I'm thinking Bravo! Well done! Good for you! Maybe I'm not the only one. See: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_404.html The best car in the world :-) A 505 is just a 404 in drag, they're great! A friend of mine drove one from London to Johannesburg, way back before they invented roads and stuff. Best of good luck with it Brian, I hope you get all the problems licked. Keith What's a American good ol' boy' doing with a Peugeot? Well, it is a long story, the short version is: If we live our lives in a spiritually wholesome and environmentally friendly fashion, we can expect good things to come to us. We don't need much and we have patience. Anyway, I said this is the short version right? We now have this car sitting here at the Ranch in northeastern New Mexico. It has only one mechanical problem that I can see; It is very hard to start, when it finally does it bellows blue-white smoke, and the coolant lines slowly begin to pressurize. The radiator hoses balloon up, very scary and we shut it down before they blow. At first glance it looks like a leaking head gasket. It is now sitting in front of my little workshop and I am so excited to finally have a car that I can make my own biodiesel for. Nevertheless, my rash days are past and I am content to ask first before I tear into anything mechanically. I ask for information. I am relatively new to Biofuels, but I do have a fine set of Mechanics tools, much updated from the days long ago when I was a factory trained VW mechanic. Please don't give me the negative perspective. If you do, I can take it. But I still have that wonderful glow a guy gets when he gets a new car to refurbish. How's that line go? Sing me the bad news! So far I have zero cash investment in this really cute little car. I have three Mercedes gas powered monsters which have been steadily moving closer to the ranch dump. I toyed with the idea of buying a 1982 300 Turbo Sedan that a friend has offered for $2000.00. I don't like the body style, too heavy, and we couldn't afford it anyway. This Peugeot is almost 1000 pounds lighter than my 1980 480SE. And damn, did I say it is sleek and in mint condition? So yeah that's the good news. Anybody out there have any experience with these? Looks like a very clean engine, but that may be because the radiator already washed it off with a steam bath. I have extended experience with petrol vehicles. My tools are metric and I love to read first then spin nuts after I at least think I understand. Diesel engines, this is only my second. I won't say what I did to the first one. I intend to make this motor sing again! So, I have heard of carbon buildup in the cylinders causing issues in dino-diesel motors. Any ideas? Things I could check. I suppose checking the compression through the spark plug holes is out of the question, lol. I will be looking for the factory service manual, unless it is written in French of course. Nah, I have factory service literature on the Benz and it is not in German. See how wishy washy I have become? Maybe it is the fog this morning, yeah fog in New Mexico, go figure. They have fog in France right? So how did my bio-diesel processing chemicals and WVO collecting go this week? Not well, physically. I talked it up pretty good, whatever that is worth. I think I know what I need to find for the test batches. A couple of little bottles of Heet (methanol). Blue or yellow? There is a bit of confusion in the biofuel group about this, and a jar of Red Devil drain opener (lye.) A five gallon can for transporting the WVO back to the ranch and a 12 volt pump for filling my container at the rear of the Mc Donald's. Oh, and I have to ask Vince, the owner of the local McDonald's, if is ok to use some of the WVO from his business. Ok, I am so excited about our new diesel that I am totally torn between writing and thinking about it and going out into the fog and startingÖ something, anythingÖ How about learning? Sincerely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
Congratulations on the new car! From my experience, if I were in your shoes, and looking at a foggy day, I'd be thinking twice about mixing my methoxide today, the NaOH will turn to liquid before you can blink, drawing water out of the air. (That might clear out the fog) Instead, I guess I'd be getting into the cooling system of the new toy, check to see that the thermostat is opening properly at the temperature it is supposed to, (this can be done with the cap off the radiator in most any car I've ever been under the hood of, you can see the water start to flow when the thermostat opens and allows the water pump to circulate water through the radiator.) This method can let you know if your radiator is in need of flushing too. The next step, if you see no water flowing, would be to remove the thermostat, and drop it in hot water. Heat the water, preferably with a thermometer in the water, and when the water reaches the temperature stamped into the thermostat, check the thermostat, and see if it has opened. If it has, you can reinstall it, but know that you might need a new gasket, or alternatively, blue glue to make a new gasket. Then there are the possibilities that the water pump isn't up to par anymore, or that there is blockage either in the engine, the radiator, or both. One could assume that pressure buildup in the cooling system is from over temperature, but There's also a chance that your fluids aren't staying where they're supposed to. Generally you'd see water in the oil, but I can imagine that it could go the other direction too, but either of these conditions can be seen by looking at the dipstick (see mayonnaise?) or in the radiator. (see oil floating at the top?) Anything beyond these simple examinations and diagnostics would leave me in the dark, unless new clues became obvious while looking through the above steps. Good luck with it, and may all your repairs be the cheapest and easiest fix it could be! doug swanson -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
Wow, too cool, you all are. I knew I was in the right place to learn. Dammit all, there is so much to learn. Thanks Juan, I was hoping there was something I could do right away before I find a service manual. Flushing the coolant is a great idea. I will pull off some of the worse looking hoses and take a look inside for blockage. A friend and I were looking for the thermostat which seems like it should be near the outlet of the head but we were unable to see anything that looked like one.I will go out there to the shop and look again at that hose which is ballooning when the engine is running. I have a feeling the thermostat is inside the hose because there is an odd size reduction on the outlet from the head. I am a book person, well tech books anyway. So, let me ask you (all) this: Does anyone have the service manual for the Peugeot 505 diesel? Next Dammit again Keith, heehee. You have so much going on with your website. Sorry, somehow I missed the Best car in the world section completely. Just goes to show; I must be living my life right. First I found this list and then I switched away from thinking ethanol to doing biodiesel and a whole new world opens up for me. How in the heck did I manage to scavenge such a fine diesel vehicle completely unaware? Thank you for everything, people. Now I know I can make this little sweetie sing again. Also I joined the Peugeot yahoo group. I just gotta find the books for this gem. Again, I am back to http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_404.html Reading, reading and learning. Great site Keith. I am soon to be a real biodiesel man. Sincerely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
Hello Brian. I drive a 405 GLD with the smaller 1.9 L diesel. Your problems sounds similar to any water cooled engine, starts with rust in the small holes of the water passages, local overheating, head gasket burning and combustion gasses leaking to the water jaket and built up the pressure in water cooling system that you can see because the radiator hoses balloon up. When the engine is turn of the water leakes to the cilinders and if it is a small amount the engine starts with difficulties and water comes out as hot water mist and white steam sometimes spiting a mixture of water and carbon at the start. Most likely you have encountered some oil floating with carbon dust in the radiator of the cooling system, it is coming from the combustion chamber and oil system. Peugeot spare parts from France are expensive but in general the Argentinians spare parts for that engine brand are usually less expensive (at least here in Paraguay) becuase for some Peugeot engines they have produced spare parts in Argentina and they built Peugeots there since a long time ago. Have you checked the Argentinians spare parts representative there if there are any in your area? I hope this helps. Regards. Juan Boveda Paraguay -Mensaje original- De: Brian Rodgers [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Viernes 7 de Octubre de 2005 12:06 PM Para: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Asunto: Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!? October 7, 2005 Hi everyone After three months of wishy washy thinking and anxiety over money to invest in my biodiesel project, this very moment my dream has been realized. I am now the proud owner of a 1981 Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle! I know what you are thinking, What's a American good ol' boy' doing with a Peugeot? Well, it is a long story, the short version is: If we live our lives in a spiritually wholesome and environmentally friendly fashion, we can expect good things to come to us. We don't need much and we have patience. Anyway, I said this is the short version right? We now have this car sitting here at the Ranch in northeastern New Mexico. It has only one mechanical problem that I can see; It is very hard to start, when it finally does it bellows blue-white smoke, and the coolant lines slowly begin to pressurize. The radiator hoses balloon up, very scary and we shut it down before they blow. At first glance it looks like a leaking head gasket. It is now sitting in front of my little workshop and I am so excited to finally have a car that I can make my own biodiesel for. Nevertheless, my rash days are past and I am content to ask first before I tear into anything mechanically. I ask for information. I am relatively new to Biofuels, but I do have a fine set of Mechanics tools, much updated from the days long ago when I was a factory trained VW mechanic. Please don't give me the negative perspective. If you do, I can take it. But I still have that wonderful glow a guy gets when he gets a new car to refurbish. How's that line go? Sing me the bad news! So far I have zero cash investment in this really cute little car. I have three Mercedes gas powered monsters which have been steadily moving closer to the ranch dump. I toyed with the idea of buying a 1982 300 Turbo Sedan that a friend has offered for $2000.00. I don't like the body style, too heavy, and we couldn't afford it anyway. This Peugeot is almost 1000 pounds lighter than my 1980 480SE. And damn, did I say it is sleek and in mint condition? So yeah that's the good news. Anybody out there have any experience with these? Looks like a very clean engine, but that may be because the radiator already washed it off with a steam bath. I have extended experience with petrol vehicles. My tools are metric and I love to read first then spin nuts after I at least think I understand. Diesel engines, this is only my second. I won't say what I did to the first one. I intend to make this motor sing again! So, I have heard of carbon buildup in the cylinders causing issues in dino-diesel motors. Any ideas? Things I could check. I suppose checking the compression through the spark plug holes is out of the question, lol. I will be looking for the factory service manual, unless it is written in French of course. Nah, I have factory service literature on the Benz and it is not in German. See how wishy washy I have become? Maybe it is the fog this morning, yeah fog in New Mexico, go figure. They have fog in France right? So how did my bio-diesel processing chemicals and WVO collecting go this week? Not well, physically. I talked it up pretty good, whatever that is worth. I think I know what I need to find for the test batches. A couple of little bottles of Heet (methanol). Blue or yellow? There is a bit of confusion in the biofuel group about this, and a jar of Red Devil drain opener (lye.) A five gallon can for transporting the WVO back to the ranch and a 12
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel
There ia an Australian Peugeot (and other French cars) list: Aussiefrogs I suggest you consider joining, as there are some very knowledgeable buffs on the list. regards Doug (Peugeot 405SRDT: great car!) On Saturday 08 October 2005 3:12, Keith Addison wrote: October 7, 2005 Hi everyone After three months of wishy washy thinking and anxiety over money to invest in my biodiesel project, this very moment my dream has been realized. I am now the proud owner of a 1981 Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle! I know what you are thinking, I'm thinking Bravo! Well done! Good for you! Maybe I'm not the only one. See: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_404.html The best car in the world :-) A 505 is just a 404 in drag, they're great! A friend of mine drove one from London to Johannesburg, way back before they invented roads and stuff. Best of good luck with it Brian, I hope you get all the problems licked. Keith What's a American good ol' boy' doing with a Peugeot? Well, it is a long story, the short version is: If we live our lives in a spiritually wholesome and environmentally friendly fashion, we can expect good things to come to us. We don't need much and we have patience. Anyway, I said this is the short version right? We now have this car sitting here at the Ranch in northeastern New Mexico. It has only one mechanical problem that I can see; It is very hard to start, when it finally does it bellows blue-white smoke, and the coolant lines slowly begin to pressurize. The radiator hoses balloon up, very scary and we shut it down before they blow. At first glance it looks like a leaking head gasket. It is now sitting in front of my little workshop and I am so excited to finally have a car that I can make my own biodiesel for. Nevertheless, my rash days are past and I am content to ask first before I tear into anything mechanically. I ask for information. I am relatively new to Biofuels, but I do have a fine set of Mechanics tools, much updated from the days long ago when I was a factory trained VW mechanic. Please don't give me the negative perspective. If you do, I can take it. But I still have that wonderful glow a guy gets when he gets a new car to refurbish. How's that line go? Sing me the bad news! So far I have zero cash investment in this really cute little car. I have three Mercedes gas powered monsters which have been steadily moving closer to the ranch dump. I toyed with the idea of buying a 1982 300 Turbo Sedan that a friend has offered for $2000.00. I don't like the body style, too heavy, and we couldn't afford it anyway. This Peugeot is almost 1000 pounds lighter than my 1980 480SE. And damn, did I say it is sleek and in mint condition? So yeah that's the good news. Anybody out there have any experience with these? Looks like a very clean engine, but that may be because the radiator already washed it off with a steam bath. I have extended experience with petrol vehicles. My tools are metric and I love to read first then spin nuts after I at least think I understand. Diesel engines, this is only my second. I won't say what I did to the first one. I intend to make this motor sing again! So, I have heard of carbon buildup in the cylinders causing issues in dino-diesel motors. Any ideas? Things I could check. I suppose checking the compression through the spark plug holes is out of the question, lol. I will be looking for the factory service manual, unless it is written in French of course. Nah, I have factory service literature on the Benz and it is not in German. See how wishy washy I have become? Maybe it is the fog this morning, yeah fog in New Mexico, go figure. They have fog in France right? So how did my bio-diesel processing chemicals and WVO collecting go this week? Not well, physically. I talked it up pretty good, whatever that is worth. I think I know what I need to find for the test batches. A couple of little bottles of Heet (methanol). Blue or yellow? There is a bit of confusion in the biofuel group about this, and a jar of Red Devil drain opener (lye.) A five gallon can for transporting the WVO back to the ranch and a 12 volt pump for filling my container at the rear of the Mc Donald's. Oh, and I have to ask Vince, the owner of the local McDonald's, if is ok to use some of the WVO from his business. Ok, I am so excited about our new diesel that I am totally torn between writing and thinking about it and going out into the fog and startingÖ something, anythingÖ How about learning? Sincerely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
Your Welcome Brian!! I am here to help and to learn from you guys :) On 10/7/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, too cool, you all are.I knew I was in the right place to learn.Dammit all, there is so much to learn. Thanks Juan, I was hoping there was something I could do right awaybefore I find a service manual. Flushing the coolant is a great idea.I will pull off some of the worse looking hoses and take a look inside for blockage. A friend and I were looking for the thermostat whichseems like it should be near the outlet of the head but we were unableto see anything that looked like one.I will go out there to the shopand look again at that hose which is ballooning when the engine is running. I have a feeling the thermostat is inside the hose becausethere is an odd size reduction on the outlet from the head. I am abook person, well tech books anyway. So, let me ask you (all) this:Does anyone have the service manual for the Peugeot 505 diesel? Next Dammit again Keith, heehee. You have so much going on with yourwebsite. Sorry, somehow I missed the Best car in the world sectioncompletely. Just goes to show; I must be living my life right. First I found this list and then I switched away from thinking ethanol todoing biodiesel and a whole new world opens up for me. How in the heckdid I manage to scavenge such a fine diesel vehicle completelyunaware? Thank you for everything, people. Now I know I can make this little sweetie sing again. Also I joinedthe Peugeot yahoo group. I just gotta find the books for this gem.Again, I am back to http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_404.htmlReading, reading and learning.Great site Keith.I am soon to be a real biodiesel man.Sincerely,Brian Rodgers___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel
There is diesel Peuggie for sale on ebay, too. - Original Message - From: Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel There ia an Australian Peugeot (and other French cars) list: Aussiefrogs I suggest you consider joining, as there are some very knowledgeable buffs on the list. regards Doug (Peugeot 405SRDT: great car!) On Saturday 08 October 2005 3:12, Keith Addison wrote: October 7, 2005 Hi everyone After three months of wishy washy thinking and anxiety over money to invest in my biodiesel project, this very moment my dream has been realized. I am now the proud owner of a 1981 Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle! I know what you are thinking, I'm thinking Bravo! Well done! Good for you! Maybe I'm not the only one. See: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_404.html The best car in the world :-) A 505 is just a 404 in drag, they're great! A friend of mine drove one from London to Johannesburg, way back before they invented roads and stuff. Best of good luck with it Brian, I hope you get all the problems licked. Keith What's a American good ol' boy' doing with a Peugeot? Well, it is a long story, the short version is: If we live our lives in a spiritually wholesome and environmentally friendly fashion, we can expect good things to come to us. We don't need much and we have patience. Anyway, I said this is the short version right? We now have this car sitting here at the Ranch in northeastern New Mexico. It has only one mechanical problem that I can see; It is very hard to start, when it finally does it bellows blue-white smoke, and the coolant lines slowly begin to pressurize. The radiator hoses balloon up, very scary and we shut it down before they blow. At first glance it looks like a leaking head gasket. It is now sitting in front of my little workshop and I am so excited to finally have a car that I can make my own biodiesel for. Nevertheless, my rash days are past and I am content to ask first before I tear into anything mechanically. I ask for information. I am relatively new to Biofuels, but I do have a fine set of Mechanics tools, much updated from the days long ago when I was a factory trained VW mechanic. Please don't give me the negative perspective. If you do, I can take it. But I still have that wonderful glow a guy gets when he gets a new car to refurbish. How's that line go? Sing me the bad news! So far I have zero cash investment in this really cute little car. I have three Mercedes gas powered monsters which have been steadily moving closer to the ranch dump. I toyed with the idea of buying a 1982 300 Turbo Sedan that a friend has offered for $2000.00. I don't like the body style, too heavy, and we couldn't afford it anyway. This Peugeot is almost 1000 pounds lighter than my 1980 480SE. And damn, did I say it is sleek and in mint condition? So yeah that's the good news. Anybody out there have any experience with these? Looks like a very clean engine, but that may be because the radiator already washed it off with a steam bath. I have extended experience with petrol vehicles. My tools are metric and I love to read first then spin nuts after I at least think I understand. Diesel engines, this is only my second. I won't say what I did to the first one. I intend to make this motor sing again! So, I have heard of carbon buildup in the cylinders causing issues in dino-diesel motors. Any ideas? Things I could check. I suppose checking the compression through the spark plug holes is out of the question, lol. I will be looking for the factory service manual, unless it is written in French of course. Nah, I have factory service literature on the Benz and it is not in German. See how wishy washy I have become? Maybe it is the fog this morning, yeah fog in New Mexico, go figure. They have fog in France right? So how did my bio-diesel processing chemicals and WVO collecting go this week? Not well, physically. I talked it up pretty good, whatever that is worth. I think I know what I need to find for the test batches. A couple of little bottles of Heet (methanol). Blue or yellow? There is a bit of confusion in the biofuel group about this, and a jar of Red Devil drain opener (lye.) A five gallon can for transporting the WVO back to the ranch and a 12 volt pump for filling my container at the rear of the Mc Donald's. Oh, and I have to ask Vince, the owner of the local McDonald's, if is ok to use some of the WVO from his business. Ok, I am so excited about our new diesel that I am totally torn between writing and thinking about it and going out into the fog and startingÖ something, anythingÖ How about learning? Sincerely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
I have a dim memory from decades ago of reading a comment on the Peugeot 403/404 engines, which said that they were excellent and would have been good racing engines for their size class - if they hadn't had rubber seals (o-rings?) between the wet liners and the block (head?). Consider the possibility that somethong has gone wrong with these seals - if the engine has wet liners (wet meaning in contact with the coolant). I learned to drive partly on my father's 403 and drove it a lot. I owned a 404 and a 304. They were very nice cars except for * the bronze differential ring gear in the 404 which was overstressed by radial tires and forced the use of bias ply tires - I found this out the hard way. * the very tight engine compartment in the 304 which was hard to work in - you had to take off the header tank to get at the spark plugs. * the rubber driveshaft covers in the front wheel drive 304 were expensive and hard to replace - but it was absolutely essential to replace them *before* they developed a hole which they tended to do at a certain age; otherwise the shafts would quickly need replacing. I think Peugeot was later than other manufacturers in moving to rust resistant steel for the North American market but I think by 1981 they may have started to adapt - anyways in New Mexico you shouldn't have that much trouble. I was in Montreal and Ottawa. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Brian Rodgers wrote: October 7, 2005 Hi everyone After three months of wishy washy thinking and anxiety over money to invest in my biodiesel project, this very moment my dream has been realized. I am now the proud owner of a 1981 Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle! I know what you are thinking, What's a American good ol' boy' doing with a Peugeot? Well, it is a long story, the short version is: If we live our lives in a spiritually wholesome and environmentally friendly fashion, we can expect good things to come to us. We don't need much and we have patience. Anyway, I said this is the short version right? We now have this car sitting here at the Ranch in northeastern New Mexico. It has only one mechanical problem that I can see; It is very hard to start, when it finally does it bellows blue-white smoke, and the coolant lines slowly begin to pressurize. The radiator hoses balloon up, very scary and we shut it down before they blow. At first glance it looks like a leaking head gasket. It is now sitting in front of my little workshop and I am so excited to finally have a car that I can make my own biodiesel for. Nevertheless, my rash days are past and I am content to ask first before I tear into anything mechanically. I ask for information. I am relatively new to Biofuels, but I do have a fine set of Mechanics tools, much updated from the days long ago when I was a factory trained VW mechanic. Please don't give me the negative perspective. If you do, I can take it. But I still have that wonderful glow a guy gets when he gets a new car to refurbish. How's that line go? Sing me the bad news! So far I have zero cash investment in this really cute little car. I have three Mercedes gas powered monsters which have been steadily moving closer to the ranch dump. I toyed with the idea of buying a 1982 300 Turbo Sedan that a friend has offered for $2000.00. I don't like the body style, too heavy, and we couldn't afford it anyway. This Peugeot is almost 1000 pounds lighter than my 1980 480SE. And damn, did I say it is sleek and in mint condition? So yeah that's the good news. Anybody out there have any experience with these? Looks like a very clean engine, but that may be because the radiator already washed it off with a steam bath. I have extended experience with petrol vehicles. My tools are metric and I love to read first then spin nuts after I at least think I understand. Diesel engines, this is only my second. I won't say what I did to the first one. I intend to make this motor sing again! So, I have heard of carbon buildup in the cylinders causing issues in dino-diesel motors. Any ideas? Things I could check. I suppose checking the compression through the spark plug holes is out of the question, lol. I will be looking for the factory service manual, unless it is written in French of course. Nah, I have factory service literature on the Benz and it is not in German. See how wishy washy I have become? Maybe it is the fog this morning, yeah fog in New Mexico, go figure. They have fog in France right? So how did my bio-diesel processing chemicals and WVO collecting go this week? Not well, physically. I talked it up pretty good, whatever that is worth. I think I know what I need to find for the test batches. A couple of little bottles of Heet (methanol). Blue or yellow? There is a bit of confusion in the biofuel group about this, and a jar of Red Devil drain opener (lye.) A five gallon can for transporting
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
Hello everybody Thank you so much for the replies. I was told when I got this car that it had a blown head gasket. The reasoning the mechanic used was excess pressure on the coolant system. Also, now that I have started the engine a few times it fires up pretty quick. Here is an excerpt from a note I sent to a friend this afternoon. It may give you a heads up on what is happening. I just made some changes to the coolant lines and it made a big difference. I took it for the 'first' test drive, sweet!!! What I have found so far: Fan clutch slipping. In-line thermostat??? Yeah the thermostat was jammed inside the big hose coming from the head to radiator, with two hose clamps holding it in place. That can't be right. Anyway it's working- I tested it in boiling water Also upon inspection there is slight discoloration on the Thermostat inflow side, looks like exhaust smoke. Still blowing white smoke when idling. Smoke turns black when accelerating. Shifts great, all gears work. No speedo. As you can see it may indeed be a blown head gasket. Although no oil emulsion (coolant in oil) and no oil in coolant. What I would really like is a shop manual for this car. If I am going to pull the head I feel better if I know where everything goes back to. Not to mention, torques and bolt tightening patterns. Does anyone know of a good Peugeot parts supplier? Again thanks for the info and help. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a dim memory from decades ago of reading a comment on the Peugeot 403/404 engines, which said that they were excellent and would have been good racing engines for their size class - if they hadn't had rubber seals (o-rings?) between the wet liners and the block (head?). Consider the possibility that somethong has gone wrong with these seals - if the engine has wet liners (wet meaning in contact with the coolant). I dunno if you are talking about the diesel 405, as a racing engine... Anyway. I once had a big beautiful 404(5?) diesel wagon. I had the motor rebuilt as it had water in the crankcase. several thousand miles went by on the new rebuild. Then one morning it would not turn over, after the usual checks I tore off the head. It was a thin aluminum affair, and as it turns out rather spongelike. This motor was also sleeved and so managed to empty the radiator both through the head and the bottom of the cylinders. I never saw it overheat, but must have, or enough to spread open the sleeves. I think there were some improvements with the x2ds (I think what you have with the 505 turbo, or a swapped xd3te?) I loved the wagon, and would even put the Peugeot turbodiesel in the land rover to replace the MB220d motor.. but no time or funds. Oddly, or not, when I got the wagon from a rather frustrated family member I discovered it had been shot. Looked alot like a 45 caliber hole, neatly missed the wheel and made a mess of the brake rotor (it pulls a little and vibrates some). I would have used a smaller caliber but more bullets. On the other hand I had a friend with the same car who often drove between Fairbanks and Seattle, one trip with unplanned downriver dunking, and it never missed a beat.. so Good Luck and check http://www.peugeotclub.org/diag.html http://www.505turbo.com/forum/index.php?s=d8453b9b1b88719807d3fcee555e6b31showforum=2 and Peugeot Pete (google) Cheers, S. Chapin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
Doug, I never really checked it, but years ago it was said that Volvo used the Peugot engine in their diesels initially and for many years. Hakan At 00:44 08/10/2005, you wrote: I have a dim memory from decades ago of reading a comment on the Peugeot 403/404 engines, which said that they were excellent and would have been good racing engines for their size class - if they hadn't had rubber seals (o-rings?) between the wet liners and the block (head?). Consider the possibility that somethong has gone wrong with these seals - if the engine has wet liners (wet meaning in contact with the coolant). I learned to drive partly on my father's 403 and drove it a lot. I owned a 404 and a 304. They were very nice cars except for * the bronze differential ring gear in the 404 which was overstressed by radial tires and forced the use of bias ply tires - I found this out the hard way. * the very tight engine compartment in the 304 which was hard to work in - you had to take off the header tank to get at the spark plugs. * the rubber driveshaft covers in the front wheel drive 304 were expensive and hard to replace - but it was absolutely essential to replace them *before* they developed a hole which they tended to do at a certain age; otherwise the shafts would quickly need replacing. I think Peugeot was later than other manufacturers in moving to rust resistant steel for the North American market but I think by 1981 they may have started to adapt - anyways in New Mexico you shouldn't have that much trouble. I was in Montreal and Ottawa. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Brian Rodgers wrote: October 7, 2005 Hi everyone After three months of wishy washy thinking and anxiety over money to invest in my biodiesel project, this very moment my dream has been realized. I am now the proud owner of a 1981 Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle! I know what you are thinking, What's a American good ol' boy' doing with a Peugeot? Well, it is a long story, the short version is: If we live our lives in a spiritually wholesome and environmentally friendly fashion, we can expect good things to come to us. We don't need much and we have patience. Anyway, I said this is the short version right? We now have this car sitting here at the Ranch in northeastern New Mexico. It has only one mechanical problem that I can see; It is very hard to start, when it finally does it bellows blue-white smoke, and the coolant lines slowly begin to pressurize. The radiator hoses balloon up, very scary and we shut it down before they blow. At first glance it looks like a leaking head gasket. It is now sitting in front of my little workshop and I am so excited to finally have a car that I can make my own biodiesel for. Nevertheless, my rash days are past and I am content to ask first before I tear into anything mechanically. I ask for information. I am relatively new to Biofuels, but I do have a fine set of Mechanics tools, much updated from the days long ago when I was a factory trained VW mechanic. Please don't give me the negative perspective. If you do, I can take it. But I still have that wonderful glow a guy gets when he gets a new car to refurbish. How's that line go? Sing me the bad news! So far I have zero cash investment in this really cute little car. I have three Mercedes gas powered monsters which have been steadily moving closer to the ranch dump. I toyed with the idea of buying a 1982 300 Turbo Sedan that a friend has offered for $2000.00. I don't like the body style, too heavy, and we couldn't afford it anyway. This Peugeot is almost 1000 pounds lighter than my 1980 480SE. And damn, did I say it is sleek and in mint condition? So yeah that's the good news. Anybody out there have any experience with these? Looks like a very clean engine, but that may be because the radiator already washed it off with a steam bath. I have extended experience with petrol vehicles. My tools are metric and I love to read first then spin nuts after I at least think I understand. Diesel engines, this is only my second. I won't say what I did to the first one. I intend to make this motor sing again! So, I have heard of carbon buildup in the cylinders causing issues in dino-diesel motors. Any ideas? Things I could check. I suppose checking the compression through the spark plug holes is out of the question, lol. I will be looking for the factory service manual, unless it is written in French of course. Nah, I have factory service literature on the Benz and it is not in German. See how wishy washy I have become? Maybe it is the fog this morning, yeah fog in New Mexico, go figure. They have fog in France right? So how did my bio-diesel processing chemicals and WVO collecting go this week? Not well, physically. I talked it up pretty good, whatever that is worth. I think I know
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
Brian Rodgers wrote: Hello everybody Thank you so much for the replies. I was told when I got this car that it had a blown head gasket. The reasoning the mechanic used was excess pressure on the coolant system. Also, now that I have started the engine a few times it fires up pretty quick. Here is an excerpt from a note I sent to a friend this afternoon. It may give you a heads up on what is happening. I just made some changes to the coolant lines and it made a big difference. I took it for the 'first' test drive, sweet!!! What I have found so far: Fan clutch slipping. In-line thermostat??? Yeah the thermostat was jammed inside the big hose coming from the head to radiator, with two hose clamps holding it in place. That can't be right. Anyway it's working- I tested it in boiling water Also upon inspection there is slight discoloration on the Thermostat inflow side, looks like exhaust smoke. Still blowing white smoke when idling. Smoke turns black when accelerating. Shifts great, all gears work. No speedo. As you can see it may indeed be a blown head gasket. Although no oil emulsion (coolant in oil) and no oil in coolant. What I would really like is a shop manual for this car. If I am going to pull the head I feel better if I know where everything goes back to. Not to mention, torques and bolt tightening patterns. Does anyone know of a good Peugeot parts supplier? Again thanks for the info and help. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Brian, You can check for exhaust gases in the cooling system with EGas Anaylizer(smog check) or a compression test tp see whats up there... and then pull the head and have it checked for tiny little holes,and I mean tiny. Cheers, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
Ok thanks I realise that the compression should be comparatively similar between cylinders, any ideas on what basic (ball park) compression should be on a diesel engine? Antone know of a trick to seal the coolant system for a minor leak coming from head gasket? Wishful thinking? From the looks of the coolant I flushed out someone already tried the bronse flake sealant. Cheers Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
I think that the volvo diesels were just a 2 cylinder longer version of the VW diesels. Makes sense, since the VW was 1.6 liters, and the volvo was 2.4 liters. I've heard that the puegot diesels were used in 80's jeeps, but this was on an unconfirmed internet forum and seems fishy to me. Only thing I can find is the Mahindra used puegot diesels in the Indian made jeeps licensed from Jeep sold in the UK. Which probably doesn't help a bit for you. I would search on the internet. In the last few years it's become amazingly easy to get parts for the old series landrovers here in the US, and back in the late 80's it was near impossible without writing to the UK. I've found that many of the small diesel's are quite similar. My mitsubishi looks amazingly like my VW diesel -- and the same timing tools work on both. The VWdiesel.net group has alot of stuff which may help understand yours even though it's not Puegeot specific, and they just added a forum for non-VW four cylinder diesels since no one else really serves those in the US (except toyota which has its own forum). It helped me with my Mitsubishi. Black smoke while accellerating is either clogged air filter, bad spray pattern on the injectors due to clogging or fouling, leaking injectors, or just plain too much fuel, possibly due to the boost enrichment system from the turbo to the injector pump, or the fuel screw is turned up too high. Or the timing may be too retarded, especially if you're at high altitude. Switching to biodiesel will help reduce black smoke. It's also considered somewhat normal in diesels, although I adjusted mine to not make any. Zeke On 10/7/05, S. Chapin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Rodgers wrote: Hello everybody Thank you so much for the replies. I was told when I got this car that it had a blown head gasket. The reasoning the mechanic used was excess pressure on the coolant system. Also, now that I have started the engine a few times it fires up pretty quick. Here is an excerpt from a note I sent to a friend this afternoon. It may give you a heads up on what is happening. I just made some changes to the coolant lines and it made a big difference. I took it for the 'first' test drive, sweet!!! What I have found so far: Fan clutch slipping. In-line thermostat??? Yeah the thermostat was jammed inside the big hose coming from the head to radiator, with two hose clamps holding it in place. That can't be right. Anyway it's working- I tested it in boiling water Also upon inspection there is slight discoloration on the Thermostat inflow side, looks like exhaust smoke. Still blowing white smoke when idling. Smoke turns black when accelerating. Shifts great, all gears work. No speedo. As you can see it may indeed be a blown head gasket. Although no oil emulsion (coolant in oil) and no oil in coolant. What I would really like is a shop manual for this car. If I am going to pull the head I feel better if I know where everything goes back to. Not to mention, torques and bolt tightening patterns. Does anyone know of a good Peugeot parts supplier? Again thanks for the info and help. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Brian, You can check for exhaust gases in the cooling system with EGas Anaylizer(smog check) or a compression test tp see whats up there... and then pull the head and have it checked for tiny little holes,and I mean tiny. Cheers, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
Somewhere around 400psi I think? Check the VW forum. I've tried the copper flake sealant for the coolant when I blew the head gasket on my subaru. Actually worked okay for a while, but it also finished clogging my heater core that was mostly clogged before. I've found that replacing a head gasket is not all that scary after all. The hardest part will be getting a replacement one for the puegeot I suspect. Although you do need to get a manual to see if you have to replace the bolts. On the VW's the head bolts are designed to stretch when you tighten them, so you can't reuse them. Who thought up that design ?? On 10/7/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok thanks I realise that the compression should be comparatively similar between cylinders, any ideas on what basic (ball park) compression should be on a diesel engine? Antone know of a trick to seal the coolant system for a minor leak coming from head gasket? Wishful thinking? From the looks of the coolant I flushed out someone already tried the bronse flake sealant. Cheers Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
Brian Rodgers wrote: Ok thanks I realise that the compression should be comparatively similar between cylinders, any ideas on what basic (ball park) compression should be on a diesel engine? Antone know of a trick to seal the coolant system for a minor leak coming from head gasket? Wishful thinking? From the looks of the coolant I flushed out someone already tried the bronse flake sealant. Cheers Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yup, wishful. the reality is that if the head gasket is blown, or the head has enough of a hole on the exhaust side ( a crack between intake and exhaust valves is a spot to look) then the compression is going to be slightly different now, and very different later. Given evidence of a fix in a can' effort already, and expanding hoses go for a sincere diagnosis. To continue running it, however delightful will lead to disaster. I'm not sure you couldnt swap in a newer xd3te motor or even older (ack). If the rest of the thing, trans,electrical,suspension is in good shape. If this is an xd2s, I would rebuild it, maybe 1200 for the parts and machine work (only guessing).How many miles on it?? From what I can gather the turbo peugeot motor is far more efficient than MB, if a bit less robust. If you want I'd trade you the 220d thats in the rover. nahh you're better off fixing the peugeot. Cheers, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
