Re: [biofuel] Disappearing Pacific Islands and Suing the United States over Global Warming
I think there needs to be some clarification about some things by someone. I hear so much conflicting news. Today a story stated that the kyoto accord is usless when the biggest polluters like Assia, India, and Russia, and even Brazil don't participate in the accord. These are countries with very few regulations and very little desire to change. Brent >From: murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [biofuel] Disappearing Pacific Islands and Suing the United States >over Global Warming >Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:21:32 -0700 > >http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2003/28/ma_444_01.html > >This online edition does not have the full text. An excerpt from the >print edition: > >"... Currently, the government is seeking parnters among other island >nations for a lawsuit against the United States and Australia to be >brought before the International Court of Justice in The Hague, suing >for damages from global warming. The reparations from such >"ecological debt" could be huge, including the potential to cancel the >monies owed on developmental loans to the big polluters >"... >"Along with Tuvalu, many other island and coastal cultures have just >grievances. Kiribati, Tuvalue's neighbor, has already lost two >islands to the rising wters. The seas around the Carteret atolls off >Papua New Guinea have cut one island in half and left 1,500 people >dependent on food aid. In the Marshall Islands, World War II >gravesites are washing away. Trinidad reports losing land at the rate >of two to four yards per year. In the Indian Ocean, a third of the >Maldvies' 200 inhabited atolls are disappearing. And in Alaska, some >Eskimo are being forced to move, as the tundra melts and their >villages slip into the sea..." > > > > > > _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Disappearing Pacific Islands and Suing the United States over Global Warming
Brent, It is no dispute about that US is the largest single polluter. The argument is maybe more valid if used by others, but a very large amount of countries have decided to do their part anyway. Hakan At 04:49 AM 8/16/2003 +, you wrote: >I think there needs to be some clarification about some things by someone. I >hear so much conflicting news. Today a story stated that the kyoto accord is >usless when the biggest polluters like Assia, India, and Russia, and even >Brazil don't participate in the accord. These are countries with very few >regulations and very little desire to change. >Brent > > > >From: murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > >To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: [biofuel] Disappearing Pacific Islands and Suing the United States > >over Global Warming > >Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:21:32 -0700 > > > >http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2003/28/ma_444_01.html > > > >This online edition does not have the full text. An excerpt from the > >print edition: > > > >"... Currently, the government is seeking parnters among other island > >nations for a lawsuit against the United States and Australia to be > >brought before the International Court of Justice in The Hague, suing > >for damages from global warming. The reparations from such > >"ecological debt" could be huge, including the potential to cancel the > >monies owed on developmental loans to the big polluters > >"... > >"Along with Tuvalu, many other island and coastal cultures have just > >grievances. Kiribati, Tuvalue's neighbor, has already lost two > >islands to the rising wters. The seas around the Carteret atolls off > >Papua New Guinea have cut one island in half and left 1,500 people > >dependent on food aid. In the Marshall Islands, World War II > >gravesites are washing away. Trinidad reports losing land at the rate > >of two to four yards per year. In the Indian Ocean, a third of the > >Maldvies' 200 inhabited atolls are disappearing. And in Alaska, some > >Eskimo are being forced to move, as the tundra melts and their > >villages slip into the sea..." > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Disappearing Pacific Islands and Suing the United States over Global Warming
This is all about what standards you want. If the USA want to join India and Russia and create a solution on the Kyoto issues together with them that is fine. And I am sure that other countries will follow that. If India and Russia joined Kyoto or USA we could be looking at a world tax policy that increases custom taxes severely from countries that are not willing to participate in the process. > -Original Message- > From: Brent S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 16. august 2003 06:49 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Disappearing Pacific Islands and Suing the United > States over Global Warming > > I think there needs to be some clarification about some things by someone. > I > hear so much conflicting news. Today a story stated that the kyoto accord > is > usless when the biggest polluters like Assia, India, and Russia, and even > Brazil don't participate in the accord. These are countries with very few > regulations and very little desire to change. > Brent Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Disappearing Pacific Islands and Suing the United States over Global Warming
Correct. If CO2 is pollution then the U.S. is the biggest single polluter. The article stated elsewhere (I got tired of transcribing) that the reason the lawsuit is against the Australians and the U.S. is that Australia is the largest per capita polluter and I think maybe it said it was followed by the U.S. by that measure, and that the U.S. is the largest polluter overall. The article also said that the Tuvalu Islanders (whom the article was about) had applied for refugee status with Australia (turned down) and New Zealand (accepted, but only 75 per year). > >Brent, > >It is no dispute about that US is the largest single polluter. The argument >is maybe more valid if used by others, but a very large amount of countries >have decided to do their part anyway. > >Hakan > > >At 04:49 AM 8/16/2003 +, you wrote: >>I think there needs to be some clarification about some things by someone. I >>hear so much conflicting news. Today a story stated that the kyoto accord is >>usless when the biggest polluters like Assia, India, and Russia, and even >>Brazil don't participate in the accord. These are countries with very few >>regulations and very little desire to change. >>Brent >> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Disappearing Pacific Islands and Suing the United States over Global Warming
MM. Per capita comparisons are ridiculous, when a country like Australia have a population of less than 8% of US. US is only using per capita for a few countries that are worse than them and with very low populations. Otherwise the US is the largest polluter of all categories. The truth is that the Bush administration want to use the large US coal reserves and this will be a rise in the already too high pollution. His friends does not want to have to costly cleaning solutions and liabilities. Hakan At 06:27 AM 8/16/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Correct. If CO2 is pollution then the U.S. is the biggest single >polluter. The article stated elsewhere (I got tired of transcribing) >that the reason the lawsuit is against the Australians and the U.S. is >that Australia is the largest per capita polluter and I think maybe it >said it was followed by the U.S. by that measure, and that the U.S. is >the largest polluter overall. > >The article also said that the Tuvalu Islanders (whom the article was >about) had applied for refugee status with Australia (turned down) and >New Zealand (accepted, but only 75 per year). > > > > > > >Brent, > > > >It is no dispute about that US is the largest single polluter. The argument > >is maybe more valid if used by others, but a very large amount of countries > >have decided to do their part anyway. > > > >Hakan > > > > > >At 04:49 AM 8/16/2003 +, you wrote: > >>I think there needs to be some clarification about some things by > someone. I > >>hear so much conflicting news. Today a story stated that the kyoto > accord is > >>usless when the biggest polluters like Assia, India, and Russia, and even > >>Brazil don't participate in the accord. These are countries with very few > >>regulations and very little desire to change. > >>Brent > >> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
