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--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Feil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. I have a John Deere 1020 diesel that was blowing exhaust out the dipstick and the oil was extremely diluted with fuel. My main crankshaft bearing eventually seized and I had to have the entire engine rebuilt as well as replace the crankshaft as it had cracks throughout. My father also let me borrow his gasoline powered generator that also leaked fuel into the oil - same thing - the engine eventually seized up. I don't think it's a good idea to lubricate an engine with anything but motor oil. I do agree with the first message that diesel engine oil should be changed on hours - I change mine every 100 hours on my JD. Too bad not all engines have a hobbs meter (hour meter). -Original Message- From: martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 9:32 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa I used to work on a farm. We had a tractor that was leaking fuel into the oil. I couldn't figure out why the oil light would come on, but the dipstick said it was full. When we took it apart (to replace the bearings) it was the cleanest looking engine you have ever seen. Steve Spence wrote: getting diesel in your crankcase would be severe problem, as it's not a lubricant like oil. vegetable oil would be less of a problem, but over time, could be an issue. fortunately that time period is much longer than your oil change parameters. a diesel that idles for long periods of time should have it's oil changed based on hours, not miles. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: GuyW [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa -- --- Martin Klingensmith http://nnytech.net/ http://infoarchive.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- End forwarded message ---
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--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Feil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guy, I have a John Deere 1020 diesel tractor and my owner's manual recommends the same - DO NOT allow it to idle for long periods of time as this will allow fuel into the oil. -Original Message- From: GuyW [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 4:06 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa I have been told that oil contamination by fuel on idling semis is a problem, including anecdotal stories of overflowing crankcases on semis left to idle all night. The engine block apparently doesn't maintain a high enuff temp (and the compression is lower than operating conditions), leading to fuel bypassing the rings. -Guy- I've just been talking to a man about running buses on SVO. He reckons that buses that spend a lot of time with the engine ticking over have a problem with fuel contamination of the sump oil. Can anyone confirm this? James Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- End forwarded message ---
Re: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa
You disagree with what? I never said we intended to run the engine with diesel fuel in the oil! Matthew Feil wrote: I disagree. I have a John Deere 1020 diesel that was blowing exhaust out the dipstick and the oil was extremely diluted with fuel. My main crankshaft bearing eventually seized and I had to have the entire engine rebuilt as well as replace the crankshaft as it had cracks throughout. My father also let me borrow his gasoline powered generator that also leaked fuel into the oil - same thing - the engine eventually seized up. I don't think it's a good idea to lubricate an engine with anything but motor oil. I do agree with the first message that diesel engine oil should be changed on hours - I change mine every 100 hours on my JD. Too bad not all engines have a hobbs meter (hour meter). -Original Message- From: martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 9:32 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa I used to work on a farm. We had a tractor that was leaking fuel into the oil. I couldn't figure out why the oil light would come on, but the dipstick said it was full. When we took it apart (to replace the bearings) it was the cleanest looking engine you have ever seen. -- --- Martin Klingensmith http://nnytech.net/ http://infoarchive.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/cjB9SD/od7FAA/AG3JAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa
getting diesel in your crankcase would be severe problem, as it's not a lubricant like oil. vegetable oil would be less of a problem, but over time, could be an issue. fortunately that time period is much longer than your oil change parameters. a diesel that idles for long periods of time should have it's oil changed based on hours, not miles. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: GuyW [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa I have been told that oil contamination by fuel on idling semis is a problem, including anecdotal stories of overflowing crankcases on semis left to idle all night. The engine block apparently doesn't maintain a high enuff temp (and the compression is lower than operating conditions), leading to fuel bypassing the rings. -Guy- I've just been talking to a man about running buses on SVO. He reckons that buses that spend a lot of time with the engine ticking over have a problem with fuel contamination of the sump oil. Can anyone confirm this? James Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/pDi3hB/OC5FAA/AG3JAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa
I used to work on a farm. We had a tractor that was leaking fuel into the oil. I couldn't figure out why the oil light would come on, but the dipstick said it was full. When we took it apart (to replace the bearings) it was the cleanest looking engine you have ever seen. Steve Spence wrote: getting diesel in your crankcase would be severe problem, as it's not a lubricant like oil. vegetable oil would be less of a problem, but over time, could be an issue. fortunately that time period is much longer than your oil change parameters. a diesel that idles for long periods of time should have it's oil changed based on hours, not miles. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: GuyW [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa -- --- Martin Klingensmith http://nnytech.net/ http://infoarchive.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z_CBYA/vB5FAA/AG3JAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa
what shape were the bearings? Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa I used to work on a farm. We had a tractor that was leaking fuel into the oil. I couldn't figure out why the oil light would come on, but the dipstick said it was full. When we took it apart (to replace the bearings) it was the cleanest looking engine you have ever seen. Steve Spence wrote: getting diesel in your crankcase would be severe problem, as it's not a lubricant like oil. vegetable oil would be less of a problem, but over time, could be an issue. fortunately that time period is much longer than your oil change parameters. a diesel that idles for long periods of time should have it's oil changed based on hours, not miles. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: GuyW [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa -- --- Martin Klingensmith http://nnytech.net/ http://infoarchive.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/pDi3hB/OC5FAA/AG3JAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa
Most of them were half-worn through the babbit Not real bad, but the oil was quite thin. Of course, we realized that the diesel fuel was leaking in the oil after a few days so it didn't hurt it too bad. Steve Spence wrote: what shape were the bearings? Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa I used to work on a farm. We had a tractor that was leaking fuel into the oil. I couldn't figure out why the oil light would come on, but the dipstick said it was full. When we took it apart (to replace the bearings) it was the cleanest looking engine you have ever seen. Steve Spence wrote: -- --- Martin Klingensmith http://nnytech.net/ http://infoarchive.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/pDi3hB/OC5FAA/AG3JAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa
I've just been talking to a man about running buses on SVO. He reckons that buses that spend a lot of time with the engine ticking over have a problem with fuel contamination of the sump oil. Can anyone confirm this? James Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/pDi3hB/OC5FAA/AG3JAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa
I think small engines have their oil changed frequently enough that this isn't a problem. The Burlington Northern Rail Road study in Montana was a problem as lubricating oil for railroad engines is changed infrequently, a reservoir and external filtration being employed. The Safflower oil which over time contaminated the lubricating oil was polymerized by the trace amounts of bearing metal(principally the copper if I recall correctly) found in the hot lubricating oil -- viscosity/lubrication then became a problem. Kirk -Original Message- From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 7:13 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa I have not seen any issues with vegetable oil contaminating the lubricating oil. I have played with using wvo as lubricating oil in a junk engine. It's lasted longer than I thought. A block heater keeps it warm and liquid for startup, and fuel system sucks it from the oil sump, so it's always fresh. the fuel tank feeds the oil sump. tricky part is feeding new oil in at rate of consumption. I'm not recommending you do this on a good engine, it's just an experiment. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa I've just been talking to a man about running buses on SVO. He reckons that buses that spend a lot of time with the engine ticking over have a problem with fuel contamination of the sump oil. Can anyone confirm this? James Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date: 4/10/2003 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/pDi3hB/OC5FAA/AG3JAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa
We change our oil in our road vehicles every 3 - 5 k miles. the test engine has it's oil changed every hour or so, as it's using the lubricating oil as fuel. One old engine always used a bit of lubricating oil as fuel and ended up running away until it broke. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 10:06 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa I think small engines have their oil changed frequently enough that this isn't a problem. The Burlington Northern Rail Road study in Montana was a problem as lubricating oil for railroad engines is changed infrequently, a reservoir and external filtration being employed. The Safflower oil which over time contaminated the lubricating oil was polymerized by the trace amounts of bearing metal(principally the copper if I recall correctly) found in the hot lubricating oil -- viscosity/lubrication then became a problem. Kirk -Original Message- From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 7:13 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa I have not seen any issues with vegetable oil contaminating the lubricating oil. I have played with using wvo as lubricating oil in a junk engine. It's lasted longer than I thought. A block heater keeps it warm and liquid for startup, and fuel system sucks it from the oil sump, so it's always fresh. the fuel tank feeds the oil sump. tricky part is feeding new oil in at rate of consumption. I'm not recommending you do this on a good engine, it's just an experiment. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa I've just been talking to a man about running buses on SVO. He reckons that buses that spend a lot of time with the engine ticking over have a problem with fuel contamination of the sump oil. Can anyone confirm this? James Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date: 4/10/2003 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/pDi3hB/OC5FAA/AG3JAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] cleanschoolbussusa
I have been told that oil contamination by fuel on idling semis is a problem, including anecdotal stories of overflowing crankcases on semis left to idle all night. The engine block apparently doesn't maintain a high enuff temp (and the compression is lower than operating conditions), leading to fuel bypassing the rings. -Guy- I've just been talking to a man about running buses on SVO. He reckons that buses that spend a lot of time with the engine ticking over have a problem with fuel contamination of the sump oil. Can anyone confirm this? James Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/pDi3hB/OC5FAA/AG3JAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
