Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG map example recap

2004-12-03 Thread "andré m. winter" 

hi peter,

> What do you mean by "generalize your map"?  Remove points based on 
> the scale being displayed?

what ever process the base data for your map comes out, it generally 
holds many many unneeded vertices (points). reasons may be automated 
vectorisation, description of curves as straigt segments and so on.

optimsing this part (in respect of expected zoom behaviour) is by far 
the most important point in file size reduction and rendering speed.


> As an aside, in #7,
> 
> can be written as
> 
> I think that they draw the same thing.

yes. starting "m..." and closing "...z" cannot be really relative, so 
the result is the same as "M..." and "...Z"



> Perhaps I'll need to recap again, as I didn't get it complete this 
> time.


when it comes to layouted maps (text with masking, nice symbolisation of 
lines, etc.), you will have a lot of other optimisation possibilties ;-)

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Re: [svg-developers] SVG map example recap

2004-12-03 Thread "andré m. winter" 

hi,


> After 4), you may have to collapse identical consecutive lines: h2h6h1 
> can be replaced by h9.

;-) and maybe rotating your drawing in order to get a maximum of 
segmenst oriented h or v ... well, this reaches the point where 
optimisations kills itself...


> As André mentions, there may be a first step to reduce unecessary 
> precision, ie. to keep only a relevant number of digits per coordinate.
> How much is the hardest part to estimate: too much and space is lost, 
> too low, and precision is lost. 
> If somebody has a formula to estimate the necessary number of digits 
> based on the above data, I would be interested...

i don't have a formula, but i don't think is necessary. in drawing speed 
you have more than one factor:

1) server delivering speed
2) connection speed
3) clients graphics rendering speed
4) file size
5) drawing complexity

1-3 are pure hardware and technical

the map optimisation we are speaking of here touches 4 and 5.

if you reduce digits of coordinates, you will basically optimise the 
file size and not the drawing complexity (as this makes little 
difference for the rendering engine). as a consequence i think that no 
formula is necessary, skip decimal points and you will be fine (assuming 
classical map coordinate systems and scales).


> 7) Join short paths. Of course, this is relevant only to anonymous 
> paths... If paths have IDs, they can't be joined.
> For example, on 'my' map, each path was a country outline, including 
> islands (jumps with Ms), so each path element has both a semantic 

okay, that's true. but a map also consists of a lot of purely graphical 
(passive and ignorant) elements. or think about the low-level street 
network.


> 8) To use cubic spline seems hard to do. Outlines would be smoother, but 
> how to be sure they fit to the real data without making extra curves?

that's the hen&egg-problem of geodata used in maps.

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RE: [svg-developers] Permission denied problem

2004-12-03 Thread Chris Peto 

Hi,
 
Try "this.open" or just "open".  In win XP just must use a full path
when using "open" or setting "location".
 
 

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Hi,
You should try "top.open" instead of  "window.open".


  _  

From: Jan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Subject: [svg-developers] Permission denied problem


I'm trying to use the OnClick event handler for an svg element that 
calls a Javascript function that does a window.open command to 
display a popup window in the browser.  But, I'm getting 
a 'Permission Denied' error.

In my svg code, I have:



and the showWin Javascript function looks like:

function showDms(winFile)
{  
  nw = window.open
('images/'+winFile+'.htm','new','width=335,height=115,locationbar=yes,
menubar=no,scrollbars=yes,status=no,resizable=yes');   
  nw.focus();
}

Does anyone know how to fix this?

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Re: [svg-developers] Zoom without pixel replication

2004-12-03 Thread Philippe Lhoste 

Peter Thompson wrote:
> I need the capability to zoom without pixel replication.  I don't 
> know what the technical term for this is.  The current SVG spec and 
> SVG viewers don't support this directly.  This subject has been 
> written about in various threads and web sites, but I don't have a
> complete answer.
> 
> The draft SVG spec version 1.2 has  that will allow you 
> to display a non-scaling line width, which will be an easy solution 
> to part of the problem sometime in the future.
> 
> I display lines, text, and symbols ( elements that link to 
>  elements).
> 
> It seems like there are two approaches:
> 1) Don't use SVG to do any scaling.  That is, have the server 
> generate a new SVG file for every scaling change (not a good solution 
> due to the disruptive screen redraw) or go through the SVG DOM 
> locally and modify all the x,y positions (probably takes too long).  
> On previous generations of raster graphics systems, I have done 
> things like redraw the rescaled picture in unviewable graphic planes, 
> and then change the color map to swap viewable areas (which triggers 
> a thought; perhaps I could use groups to perform a similar function).
> 
> 2) Use SVG scaling capability to change the x/y positions and capture 
> the onzoom event.  When the onzoom event occurs, change the line 
> stroke-width and text font-size inversely to current scale.  This 
> works pretty well, even though the lines look a little jaggedy at 
> times (I haven't looked into this in detail; perhaps it is
> fixable). I haven't figured out a way to have non-scaling  
> elements that link to .  The display will have potentially 
> 10,000 symbols displayed, maybe 20 different types of symbols, 
> displayed in different groups so they can be hidden or change color 
> under various (sometimes user-controlled) conditions.
> 
> My preference is to follow approach #2.  If I cannot figure out a 
> good way to make the non-scaling symbology using the  elements, 
> I could abandon that and switch to a font that contains the symbols. 
> I think that approach may be promising.
> 
> My questions are:
> 1. Any suggestions about creating non-scaling  elements that 
> link to ?
> 2. Is it difficult to modify a font file?

Not at all, basically font glyphs are just made of SVG elements. Most of 
the time, only path is used, but actually you can make something like:

   
 
 
   

The main problem is that for compatibility with existing font data, the 
coordinates are upside-down, ie. y axis goes upward. I think it is easy 
to write code to convert coordinates.

> 3. Any suggestions about a different approach for non-scaling symbols 
> or to the whole problem?

No but another approach is to use markers as symbols. Somebody said it 
was faster than real symbols (perhaps because there is less to parse and 
path generation is highly optimized), and you don't have to use text 
elements, which would infer with real text.

   
 
   
   
   
   
   
   
 
 
   
 
   
   
   

This differs slightly from one of my previous posts as I use relative 
moves (m) instead of relative linetos (l) with stroke-opacity to 0. It 
may be faster and is conceptually more satisfying...

Of course, color of stroke has no importance, but it cannot be "none", 
at least with ASV3, because nothing would be displayed.

orient attribute allows to have the same orientation, whatever the move was.

You still have to deal with re-scaling with script, alas. And perhaps it 
is harder this way, as you must rescale markers, not path...
The main advantage is that the syntax is quite compact (even more with 
removed whitespace), so the generated file is small, even with a lot of 
symbols/markers.

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[svg-developers] onscroll event stopPropagation ???

2004-12-03 Thread Jean-David Benamou 

Hi,

how do I stop the mousedown event to propagate
in the DOM tree when the user uses the inbuilt
scrolling (alt key + mouse) 

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[svg-developers] Exception from external css in ASV3.x

2004-12-03 Thread Chris Peto 

Hi Peter,

I just wanted to let you know that I found the exception in IE5+ and
ASV3.x.

It comes from loading a svg with an external stylesheet(css).

So beware anybody using external css's, especially if the svg is loaded
before the last svg was finished.

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Re: [svg-developers] Zoom without pixel replication

2004-12-03 Thread Peter Thompson 

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[svg-developers] Is onkeypress Event Supported By SVG Standard?

2004-12-03 Thread HektorK 

Hi everyone,

The Adobe SVG Web site gives samples with code using the onkeypress event. 
Is it a standard supported by the W3C? I couldn't find anything in the W3C 
Web site...

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[svg-developers] Stroking small text

2004-12-03 Thread scalablev 


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I want to display text with a small white line around it, like this: 
http://kart.nois.no/test/svgtext/text.gif.

Stroking the text seems to obscure the text itself. I'm not getting 
exactly what I want with a filter either:
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Re: [svg-developers] Stroking small text

2004-12-03 Thread Jerrold Maddox 

Have you tried a smaller stroke width - stroke-width:0.1, for instance?

Jerry

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>
>Stroking the text seems to obscure the text itself. I'm not getting
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>http://kart.nois.no/test/svgtext/text.svg
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>Any suggestions?
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RE: [svg-developers] Stroking small text

2004-12-03 Thread Doug Schepers 

Hi, Jerry-

I tried that, but it rendered the outline all but invisible.

When I made the text bold, I got slightly better results. The problem is
that the stroke is overlapping the interior of the glyphs. This should be
fixed in SVG1.2, where you'll be able to have finer control over stroking,
such as rendering the fill above the stroke, or showing the stroke on the
outside only.

If I figure something out, OP, I'll post it here.

Regards-
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Jerrold Maddox wrote:
| 
| Have you tried a smaller stroke width - stroke-width:0.1, for 
| instance?
| 
| Jerry
| 
| >Hi!
| >
| >I want to display text with a small white line around it, like this:
| >http://kart.nois.
no/test/svgtext/text.gif.
| >
| >Stroking the text seems to obscure the text itself. I'm not getting 
| >exactly what I want with a filter either:
| >http://kart.nois.n
| o/test/svg
| >text/text.svg
| >
| >Any suggestions?
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[svg-developers] Re: Is onkeypress Event Supported By SVG Standard?

2004-12-03 Thread Martin Honnen 


--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


> The Adobe SVG Web site gives samples with code using the onkeypress
event. 
> Is it a standard supported by the W3C? I couldn't find anything in
the W3C 
> Web site...

Key events are not standardized in the W3C DOM Level 2, I think mainly
as there was no agreement how to do that in a way to support
languages/keyboard setups other than than English (or maybe Western
languages in general). Even DOM Level 3 hasn't managed to have key
events as a W3C recommendation, there is only a note of the DOM Level
3 events
  http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/
which has a section about text events
 
http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/events.html#Events-TextEvents-Interfaces
and a section about key events
http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/keyset.html

The Adobe SVG viewer implementation of keypress, keydown and keyup
events is based on some working draft I think which might be itself
based on key event implementations in HTML browsers like MS IE.






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[svg-developers] clip-Path bug in script

2004-12-03 Thread rohit_thakare 


I am having this really stupid problem in my script and am not able 
to fix it. All I am trying to do is apply the clip-path 'RectView' in 
the script below to the group 'graphlines'. 

Everytime I do that the entire 'graphlines' object disappear. Any 
ideas. 

Thanks 

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[svg-developers] Re: Stroking small text

2004-12-03 Thread skatethere 


--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "scalablev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I want to display text with a small white line around it, like this: 
> http://kart.nois.no/test/svgtext/text.gif.
> 
> Stroking the text seems to obscure the text itself. I'm not getting 
> exactly what I want with a filter either:
> http://kart.nois.no/test/svgtext/text.svg
> 
> Any suggestions?

Have you tried using filters, like this:


http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.1/DTD/svg11.dtd";>
http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"; version="1.1">

   




  


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[svg-developers] Re: clip-Path bug in script

2004-12-03 Thread skatethere 


--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "rohit_thakare"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I am having this really stupid problem in my script and am not able 
> to fix it. All I am trying to do is apply the clip-path 'RectView'
in 
> the script below to the group 'graphlines'. 
> 
> Everytime I do that the entire 'graphlines' object disappear. Any 
> ideas. 

Since clip-path defaults to userSpaceOnUser coordinates, the clip-path
boundaries should be specified in terms of the coordinate system in
place in the currentCTM for graphlines. So, if you're using the
clip-path of:
  clip-path="url(#RectView)"

Then RectView should be defined as:





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[svg-developers] svgx-yo,1st diary stuff

2004-12-03 Thread Michael Bolger 

Greetings,  posted my first diary entry at;
http://svg.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2004/12/3/182929/110
for me -mpb (:)) concerning foundation stuff (1) including
new stuff  at http://www.svgx.org

-encourage new folks to participate at svg.org,
I like the casual nature of the "Diary".

a toast (coffee, here in a.m. California) to Antoine and all
michael bolger
mpb




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RE: [svg-developers] Re: Stroking small text

2004-12-03 Thread Doug Schepers 

Nice work, Kirby.

If they don't want the outline to be blurry, they can just do this:


   
   
   


In general, though, filters are not well support across viewers, and are
rather expensive to do. If they has a large number of text nodes, it might
cause a problem. Still, this may well be just what they need.

Regards-
Doug

skatethere wrote:
| 
| 
| --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "scalablev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > 
| > Hi!
| > 
| > I want to display text with a small white line around it, 
| like this: 
| > http://kart.nois.no/test/svgtext/text.gif.
| > 
| > Stroking the text seems to obscure the text itself. I'm not getting 
| > exactly what I want with a filter either:
| > http://kart.nois.no/test/svgtext/text.svg
| > 
| > Any suggestions?
| 
| Have you tried using filters, like this:
| 
| 
| http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.1/DTD/svg11.dtd";>
| http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"; version="1.1"> 
|
| 
| 
| 
| 
|   
| 
|  Mellomveien
| 
| 
|   --kirby




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[svg-developers] tool tips --on mouse over

2004-12-03 Thread dandiya 


I am trying to implement a tool tip for a mouseover event in svg,This 
is the code I wrote inside my java script file.


var q = svgdoc.createElement('a'); 
q.setAttributeNS
('http://www.w3.org/2000/xlink/namespace/','xlink:href',sysLink); 
p.appendChild(t); 
p.appendChild(_title); 
q.addEventListener("mouseover", showToolTip, false); 
q.appendChild(p); 
canvas.appendChild(q);


function showToolTip(evt)
{
var target = evt.target;
target.alt = "My tooltip text"
}

This doesn't work. The mouseover event is triggered but the code 
inside this is not working,I put an alert and ofcourse the alert 
comes.I really need to complete this today. Any help is greatly 
appreciated..

Thanks
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RE: [svg-developers] tool tips --on mouse over

2004-12-03 Thread Doug Schepers 

Hi, Ravi-

I'm not sure why you thought that would work. There are no native tooltips
in SVG (yet, though SVG1.2 changes that), and there is no 'alt' attribute
for SVG elements. (Also, it's not typically safe to try the dot-accessor
method of accessing attributes, and you should be using the namespace-aware
methods for createElementNS, like you did for setAttributeNS, but that's not
why your script isn't working.)

I happen to have a little tooltip implementation in JavaScript that might
help you out:

http://svg-whiz.com/samples.html#tooltip

Hope that helps-
Doug

doug . schepers  @ vectoreal.com
www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions.
 

dandiya wrote:
| 
| 
| I am trying to implement a tool tip for a mouseover event in 
| svg,This is the code I wrote inside my java script file.
| 
| 
| var q = svgdoc.createElement('a'); 
| q.setAttributeNS
| ('http://www.w3.org/2000/xlink/namespace/','xlink:href',sysLink); 
| p.appendChild(t); 
| p.appendChild(_title); 
| q.addEventListener("mouseover", showToolTip, false); 
| q.appendChild(p); 
| canvas.appendChild(q);
| 
| 
| function showToolTip(evt)
| {
| var target = evt.target;
| target.alt = "My tooltip text"
| }
| 
| This doesn't work. The mouseover event is triggered but the code 
| inside this is not working,I put an alert and ofcourse the alert 
| comes.I really need to complete this today. Any help is greatly 
| appreciated..
| 
| Thanks
| Ravi 
| 



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[svg-developers] Re: Sending SVG to the printer

2004-12-03 Thread Samuel Dagan 


Hi Jean-Loup,
  It seems to me that the problem could be the use of an external css 
file. Look at the message number 46361 for such a problem. Cheers, 
Samy

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Hi Samy,
> 
> My DOCTYPE is slightly different from yours but the xmlns is the 
same 
> in my document. Here's what I have:
> 
> 
> 
>"http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.1/DTD/svg11.dtd";>
>xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"; version="1.1"
>   xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink";>
> 
> I just changed standalone from "no" to "yes" just in case but it 
made 
> no difference.
> 
> Admittedly, Opera complains about the DOCTYPE in my status bar but 
it 
> displays fine on screen. If I'm doing something obvioulsy wrong, I 
> would be glad if someone could point it at me :)
> 
> Cheers
> 
> -Jean-Loup
> 
> PS: Is anyone doing anything about CERT??? Everytime I post on this 
> list I get a reply from them and that's quite annoying.
> 
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Samuel Dagan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Jean-Loup,
> >   I am using regularly ASV 3.01 under Windows 2000 pro with IE6 
and 
> > am obtaining very nice printings. May be you have some problems 
with 
> > the DOCTYPE and xmlns. Try:
> > 
> > 
> >  > "http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-SVG-20010904/DTD/svg10.dtd";>
> > http://www.w3.org/2000/svg";
> > width="100%" height="100%" viewBox="-400 -400 1160 800">
> > 
> > .
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   Hope this will help, Samy
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >





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[svg-developers] Re: clip-Path bug in script

2004-12-03 Thread rohit_thakare 


Thanks a lot. It worked. 

- Rohit 

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "skatethere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> 
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "rohit_thakare"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > I am having this really stupid problem in my script and am not 
able 
> > to fix it. All I am trying to do is apply the clip-path 'RectView'
> in 
> > the script below to the group 'graphlines'. 
> > 
> > Everytime I do that the entire 'graphlines' object disappear. Any 
> > ideas. 
> 
> Since clip-path defaults to userSpaceOnUser coordinates, the clip-
path
> boundaries should be specified in terms of the coordinate system in
> place in the currentCTM for graphlines. So, if you're using the
> clip-path of:
>   clip-path="url(#RectView)"
> 
> Then RectView should be defined as:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   --kirby





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[svg-developers] Expanding and collapsing sections of bargraphs using SVG - Can it be done?

2004-12-03 Thread Patricia LaRue 

Hi, all:
 
Apparently, my subject line didn't contain enough information.  Sorry about 
that.  So, I've included my previous message here and more detail below.
Okay, I'm ready to research and learn how to do this but I need an expert 
opinion on the best way to do this or if this can even be done.
I have bargraphs of parent tasks and bargraphs of child tasks associated with 
the parent task bargraphs.  My boss wants to have a +/- clickable image to show 
child task bargraphs when the + sign is clicked and hide child task bargaphs 
when the - sign is clicked, much like a tree structure only for bargraphs 
instead of text.  
 
I know I can set visibility to hidden but that will not remove the horizontal 
white space that will occur as a result of hiding the bargraphs.
 
Thanks, again, for your time,
Patricia



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[svg-developers] tool tips --on mouse over in PDF

2004-12-03 Thread Alastair 

Hey, I just noticed a message pertaining to tool tips using on mouse
over and it brought an idea that I've had for some work I have been
doing that I have no clue on how to do.  Does anyone know how to do
tool tips in PDF in SVG?

Very Scenario:
An image for all intents and purposes is authored in SVG.
That image is embedded in PDF.

Is is possible to have on mouse over tool tips for parts of the image
such as in an image map?

Thanks,
Alastair

PS. I'm using FOP.


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RE: [svg-developers] Expanding and collapsing sections of bargrap hs using SVG - Can it be done?

2004-12-03 Thread Philip Mansfield 

Patricia,

The obvious way to do this is to use JavaScript to compute the new positions of 
the bars, and set the value of a transform attribute on a  element.  A more 
clever way to do this is to make the bars glyphs in an SVG font, then write out 
the graph as a "text" string.  Since the relative positions of successive 
glyphs are automatically computed for you, your JavaScript only needs to add 
and remove characters from a text string when the +/- button is clicked.

Cheers,

Philip


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Sent: Friday December 3, 2004 1:34 PM
To: svg-developers
Subject: [svg-developers] Expanding and collapsing sections of bargraphs using 
SVG - Can it be done?
Importance: Low


Hi, all:
 
Apparently, my subject line didn't contain enough information.  Sorry about 
that.  So, I've included my previous message here and more detail below.
Okay, I'm ready to research and learn how to do this but I need an expert 
opinion on the best way to do this or if this can even be done.
I have bargraphs of parent tasks and bargraphs of child tasks associated with 
the parent task bargraphs.  My boss wants to have a +/- clickable image to show 
child task bargraphs when the + sign is clicked and hide child task bargaphs 
when the - sign is clicked, much like a tree structure only for bargraphs 
instead of text.  
 
I know I can set visibility to hidden but that will not remove the horizontal 
white space that will occur as a result of hiding the bargraphs.
 
Thanks, again, for your time,
Patricia



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[svg-developers] Re: tool tips --on mouse over

2004-12-03 Thread dandiya 


Hi Doug
In the example you posted
http://svg-whiz.com/samples.html#insertShapes

how come the title and desc are not visible along with the shapes 
even though you have generated both and appended them. Are title/desc 
triggered only on a particular event?


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[svg-developers] Re: Stroking small text

2004-12-03 Thread scalablev 


Thanks Kirby and Doug!

This is something I can use.



--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Doug Schepers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Nice work, Kirby.
> 
> If they don't want the outline to be blurry, they can just do this:
> 
> x='-15%' y='-15%' width='130%' height='130%'>
>   values='0 0 0 0 1  0 0 0 0 1  0 0 0 0 1  0 0 0 1 0'/>
> result='outline'/>
>
> 
> 
> In general, though, filters are not well support across viewers, 
and are
> rather expensive to do. If they has a large number of text nodes, 
it might
> cause a problem. Still, this may well be just what they need.
> 
> Regards-
> Doug
> 
> skatethere wrote:
> | 
> | 
> | --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "scalablev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> | > 
> | > Hi!
> | > 
> | > I want to display text with a small white line around it, 
> | like this: 
> | > http://kart.nois.no/test/svgtext/text.gif.
> | > 
> | > Stroking the text seems to obscure the text itself. I'm not 
getting 
> | > exactly what I want with a filter either:
> | > http://kart.nois.no/test/svgtext/text.svg
> | > 
> | > Any suggestions?
> | 
> | Have you tried using filters, like this:
> | 
> | 
> |  |   "http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.1/DTD/svg11.dtd";>
> |  |  xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"; version="1.1"> 
> |
> |  |values="0 0 0 0 1  0 0 0 0 1  0 0 0 0 1  0 0 0 1 0"/>
> |  | operator="dilate"/>
> | 
> |  |   operator="over"/>
> |   
> | 
> |   | x="0" y="20" font-size="14" fill="black"
> | filter="url(#halo)">Mellomveien
> | 
> | 
> |   --kirby





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[svg-developers] Read only DOM from ActiveX

2004-12-03 Thread hshreesh 


Hi all,

I wonder if anyone else has tried this or knows about this:

I can write to the SVG DOM using Javascript.

But, using ActiveX(i.e. C++ access to the SVG DOM exposed by ASV3) I
can only read the DOM and any writes don't seem to work i.e. the write
comes out successfully but no changes appear on ASV3.

This is what I have:

onclick JavaScript code:

SVGDoc = parent.document.embeds["svgTest"].getSVGDocument();

var elem;
elem = SVGDoc.getElementById("MyCircle"); 

parent.mediatorID.IHMIUIEvent(elem, 100, strNode);

--
In the above mediatorID is the object instance of the ActiveX control
I have which is supposed to read/write the SVG DOM. In the ActiveX
method, "elem" comes in as a IDispatch * in the corresponding VARIANT
argument( the first one in the above call). I then Call up
setAttribute() and getAttribute() - but nothing appears to change!

---

Any help or knowledge on this problem?

Thanks,

Shreesh








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