[svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
Adobe has decided to discontinue support for Adobe SVG Viewer. There are a number of other third-party SVG viewer implementations in the marketplace Did anybody knows a implementation that can load as many SVG in the Wild as Adobe SVG-Viewer can. including native support for SVG in many Web browsers. The most-used browser doesn't support SVG and I don't think that MS will implement SVG-Support. Adobe customer support for Adobe SVG Viewer will be discontinued on January 1, 2007. Thank you Adobe. Even MS have better support and doesn't have such short time between announcing discontinue and the deadline. Rest in Peace Adobe. My experience is (also with Adobe AI, Acrobat) that is better to search a few days for alternatives than to use Adobe SW. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
I cannot find the announcement at adobe's website. Care to direct me to the right URL? So what's the alternative SVG viewer for IE? Can somebody make Opera as an IE plugin? Paton J. Lewis wrote: For more information on this decision and answers to questions about the discontinuation of Adobe SVG Viewer, please see http://www.adobe.com/svg - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] RFI: SVG search
Just a couple of reflections, not guaranteed to be useful: 1. I have some public domain plants here http://marble.sru.edu/~ddailey/plantdominos.html Some of you might find the heuristic domino tilings sort of fun. 2. The program NIH Image from the National Institute of Health (USA) used to have methods built into it for counting things (like cells); I haven't used it for a dozen years, but I know it is still around and probably public domain (US Govt. is prohibited by law from owning copyrights in its own work) 3. If you were to take line drawings such as in (1 above) and then autotrace to convert to vectors -- there are a variety of autotracing routines built into the SVG program Inkscape -- then you might get part of the way to where you want to be. Cheers, David - Original Message - From: Shyamal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 12:15 AM Subject: [svg-developers] RFI: SVG search Hi folks, I am new to the list and perhaps this has already been discussed here before although I havent found anything in teh archives. I would essentially like to build a collection of carefully created SVG sketches of biological objects which would for instance have labeling of various paths with descriptive names. I would then like to make a search engine (or use XML Xpath queries or suchlike) that goes through the search SVG files and pick SVGs according to criteria which could include shape, name, colour and geometric/topologic criteria such as - find all SVG's having 6 'spot' objects ON a 'wing' object which has colour green. I imagine that some API in this direction would already be in development, perhaps in the GIS applications area, but I am unable to find any such references. Would welcome suggestions and pointers to information. thanks and best wishes Shyamal http://www.geocities.com/muscicapa/ - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
There are rumours that IE8 will have native svg support. The rumour says that IE7 won't have it because it was too difficult and too late support it, but that a decision was made to support svg in IE8. This makes sense given that IE is slipping in rankings behind other implementations that do support SVG, and it is hard to regain/stop-loss when your competitors offer more than you do. Something to keep in mind is that a technology which supports XAML will easily supports svg, since the there is a huge overlap in functionality only the slightest element name changes. Then again, rumours are just that. Maybe IE staff would care to comment on this rumour Ronan On Wednesday 06 September 2006 09:26, nyem wrote: I cannot find the announcement at adobe's website. Care to direct me to the right URL? So what's the alternative SVG viewer for IE? Can somebody make Opera as an IE plugin? Paton J. Lewis wrote: For more information on this decision and answers to questions about the discontinuation of Adobe SVG Viewer, please see http://www.adobe.com/svg - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG Logo Contest: personal preferences sought
Why do we actually need an svg logo and who will it benefit? well - other technologies use logos. Ever seen the Made with Macromedia Director/Flash logos? I don't see anything wrong with a SVG logo. It certainly won't change a whole lot, but it will make people more aware of SVG. Just my opinion but I'm not sure where this is going, maybe someone will print a 10ft poster at the SVG Open 2007 (if it ever happens) and the 20 or so people that turn up can stare at it and smile. SVG.Open happened already 4 times. Just because it failed one time doesn't mean that will fail in the future. In fact we had strong support by people submitting papers and we have more and more SVG implementations every year. So I am pretty confident that SVG.Open 2007 will be a success if properly organized and organized in time. On another point, maybe no one noticed but IE7 add ons library removed the SVG download a few weeks ago and when I emailed IE addons they put it back in albeit the version 3 download. I received an email from the IE team yesterday. The updated product is now live, and should show up on the site tomorrow. Thanks for the feedback! IEAddOns.com Sorry I didnt submit my SVG logo but I felt having the SVG in the IE addons for the little time it has left more important and useful. this is certainly useful and thanks for doing so. There are many things one can do to help make SVG a success. The logo is one thing, making the viewer plugin download available is another option. And there are a whole lot more options to support SVG. Writing software or convincing companies to support SVG f.e. is very useful. Andreas - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG banner
Hmm, I cannot text it on Mac, primarily on Windows, but: - native SMIL implementations work good in no FF version, I believe also ASV on Mac, right? - Firefox in Windows is not fast, but working - Firefox in Redhat is slower than on the windows, but still working M. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chetwynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marek, just to let you know that your zip file for firefox, soaked up massive resources and froze camino, the animation was extremely slow. G4 powerbook. also the files are marked as .exe which is a little peculiar or unusual. cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 4 Sep 2006, at 15:32, revelonshift wrote: Surely. Grab it there: http://www.balki.sk/_others/marek/o2banner.zip M. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chetwynd j.chetwynd@ wrote: Marek, please could you upload these files to a public space with shorter plain english filenames? I just can't seem to download them. cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 4 Sep 2006, at 10:10, revelonshift wrote: http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/ EOv7REyYoGImZcguyMNC4YViUpJdfEbVCF2ybJR58YU3JTAYJgVvHcj0oF9VXtm5gQXd2H2e wOrFpySxt94BLeanPJnGYYkEYuo/ver04 - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Changing stroke color
I am trying to change stroke colors for particular elements in my
SVG with no success. Here is my javascript code:
function changeStrokeColor(e)
{
document.getElementById(MSSA).setAttribute('stroke', e
== MSSA ? 'red' : 'green');
document.getElementById(BFRJAM).setAttribute('stroke', e
== BFRJAM ? 'red' : 'gray');
document.getElementById(NOT22).setAttribute('stroke', e
== NOT22 ? 'red' : 'gray');
document.getElementById(NOT12).setAttribute('stroke', e
== NOT12 ? 'red' : 'gray');
document.getElementById(HALT2).setAttribute('stroke', e
== HALT2 ? 'red' : 'gray');
}
Here is my javscript call:
item onactivate=changeStrokeColor('MSSA')MSSA/item
I am relatively new to SVG, so any help would be greatly appreciated.
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[svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
I cannot find the announcement at adobe's website. Care to direct me to the right URL? http://www.adobe.com/svg A link from there brought me to http://www.adobe.com/svg/eol.html - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/ nyem wrote: I cannot find the announcement at adobe's website. Care to direct me to the right URL? So what's the alternative SVG viewer for IE? Can somebody make Opera as an IE plugin? Paton J. Lewis wrote: For more information on this decision and answers to questions about the discontinuation of Adobe SVG Viewer, please see http://www.adobe.com/svg http://www.adobe.com/svg - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
Hi, folks- There is a FAQ associated with this announcement, but of course, it's in Web-unfriendly PDF. I'm forwarding on the text version for your information. Not only are they stopping support for the viewer, which is reasonable, but they are preventing anyone from distributing it other than on an intranet. In my opinion, this is unjustified and downright rude. the short timeframe in which this is happening, 16 months, is not much time for another viewer to come up to speed. I think we should urge Adobe to allow the viewer to be distributed as needed, even if Adobe does not provide support or updates. That said, we will need to transition to a non-ASV SVG environment, which stresses even more the need to code to standards rather than to a particular implementation. - FAQ - ASV EOL FAQ Adobe® SVG Viewer End of Life Frequently Asked Questions This document provides answers to frequently asked questions about Adobe’s decision to discontinue support for Adobe SVG Viewer (“ASV”). Why did Adobe decide to discontinue support for ASV?...1 When will Adobe discontinue customer support for ASV?1 When will Adobe remove ASV from the download area?...1 Can I host the ASV installer on my own web site?...2 Will Adobe provide future security patch releases of ASV?2 Will Adobe support future SVG specifications in its authoring products?...2 Will ASV install and run on Microsoft Windows Vista?.2 Can I create my own installer for ASV?.2 What products can I use instead of ASV?..2 Will Adobe release the source code for ASV?...2 Will Adobe still participate in the SVG working group?.3 Where can I find more information?.3 What SVG and ASV community forums are available?..3 Why did Adobe decide to discontinue support for ASV? There are a number of other third-party SVG viewer implementations in the marketplace, including native support for SVG in many Web browsers. The SVG language and its adoption in the marketplace have both matured to the point where it is no longer necessary for Adobe to provide an SVG viewer. When will Adobe discontinue customer support for ASV? Adobe Customer Support will no longer provide support for Adobe SVG Viewer as of January 1, 2007. When will Adobe remove ASV from the download area? Adobe currently plans to remove Adobe SVG Viewer from the Adobe.com download area on January 1, 2008. Can I host the ASV installer on my own web site? You may post the Adobe SVG Viewer installer only on intranet sites. Currently, the Adobe SVG Viewer End User License Agreement does not allow you to post the ASV installer on public Internet sites. For more information, please see the Adobe SVG Viewer Distribution Agreement http://www.adobe.com/svg/distribute.html. Will Adobe provide future security patch releases of ASV? No, Adobe will not provide any more security patch releases of Adobe SVG Viewer. Will Adobe support future SVG specifications in its authoring products? Adobe Illustrator was one of the first commercial illustration tools to support SVG Full and SVG Tiny. While Adobe does not publicly disclose future product directions, we will continue to evaluate the authoring needs for vector formats like SVG Full, SVG Basic, SVG Tiny, and any successors. Will ASV install and run on Microsoft Windows Vista? Adobe SVG Viewer is not certified to install on Vista. In addition, users who install ASV on an older version of Windows and then upgrade to Vista should be aware that some features of ASV will not function correctly on Vista. Features of ASV that are currently known to not work on Vista include (but are not limited to) the View Source command, and support for audio. Can I create my own installer for ASV? You may not create your own installer for Adobe SVG Viewer. The Adobe SVG Viewer End User License Agreement does not permit the user to repackage the product components. Among other reasons, this is because custom-made installers could include bugs that cause problems for Adobe’s customers, and those customers would then turn to Adobe for help. In addition, incorrectly installed ASV components could
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
On Wednesday, September 6, 2006, 7:00:38 PM, Doug wrote: DS That said, we will need to transition to a non-ASV SVG environment, DS which stresses even more the need to code to standards rather than to a DS particular implementation. Thats always been true, but hopefully as a result of this announcement we will see less viewer-specific content out there. -- Chris Lilleymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Interaction Domain Leader Co-Chair, W3C SVG Working Group W3C Graphics Activity Lead Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
Another speculative muse in the category of looking on the bright side: a) more people will probably start to use Firefox and Opera b) Microsoft, sensing a loss of market share for IE, will decide to reprioritize their own native support for SVG, under the old more features means better software theory c) in hiring the expertise necessary to speed the addition of SVG support into their browser, Microsoft will find itself willing and able to start new fronts of competition with Adobe. For example, they will create a competitor to PDF and make it public domain, they'll donate millions to development of the GIMP and then bundle it with the OS, they'll buy Pixar and build a heads-on competitor for Flash/Director and Lingo (using .net and SVG), and will start giving away all of Corbis' images for free. All this will result in depletion of Microsoft's cash reserves. d) Adobe will have to buy Microsoft just to keep down its competition. (hey just kidding -- well, at least about some of this) David Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/7EuRwD/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Changing stroke color
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I am trying to change stroke colors for particular elements in my
SVG with no success. Here is my javascript code:
function changeStrokeColor(e)
{
document.getElementById(MSSA).setAttribute('stroke', e
== MSSA ? 'red' : 'green');
You should use e.g.
document.getElementById(MSSA).setAttributeNS(null, 'stroke', e ==
MSSA ? 'red' : 'green');
item onactivate=changeStrokeColor('MSSA')MSSA/item
SVG 1.1 has no element named 'item' so I am not sure how that markup
relates to SVG and script. Are you sure your viewer recognizes the
item element and its onactivate event handler at all?
Generally if you have problems with SVG and script it helps telling us
exactly which SVG viewer you use. Also tell us whether you get any
script errors.
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[svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
Hi Pat, Now that I am a member of the community and no longer an employee of Adobe, here is my reaction: (1) First off, I believe that Adobe deserves a great amount of appreciation for their contributions to SVG and the open standards world for their activities in previous years. Adobe provided a high-quality free implementation of an SVG viewer at large expense. (Pat, you know this perhaps better than anyone.) Adobe also has provided (and presumably will continue to provide) excellent support for SVG in some of its products, particularly Illustrator. Adobe has also made large contributions within the standards community on SVG. (2) It is understandable that at some point Adobe would announce the end-of-life for Adobe SVG Viewer. Since the Macromedia acquisition (at least, perhaps even earlier), it is clear that Adobe doesn't consider the SVG viewer to be strategic. Also, browsers are adding SVG support natively. (3) HOWEVER, I believe that some of the details regarding this end-of-life announcement are unacceptable to the community and not in Adobe's own best interests. To me, it is OK to stop support (presumably developer support and security fixes) on Adobe SVG Viewer in the relative near-term, but instead of giving four months of advanced notice (i.e., 1/1/07), it should be something measured in years, something in the range of 2-4 years. (Note: 5 years is the usual amount for developer-oriented software.) (4) It reflects badly on Adobe that it did not donate the ASV source code (at least the higher-level logic that sits above the graphics rendering engine) to open soure. If Adobe isn't going to use ASV, then it should give it to the community so they can use it. Given how Adobe promoted industry adoption of ASV in the early days and thereby convinced many developers to build mission-critical applications using SVG, it is the least that Adobe could do. (5) But the worst part of this announcement is the removal of ASV downloads as of 1/1/08, with no option for others to host a different ASV download site. As others have pointed out, this will be devastating to those poor souls who made a commitment to ASV in the past and need their deployed SVG applications to continue working in IE, which today has something like 80% market share and is unlikely to support SVG natively before a couple of years go by. This particular decision reflects badly on Adobe as a business partner with developers. If nothing else, I appeal to Adobe to rethink this part of their decision. How much does it cost a company to maintain a single web page that is already working? If ASV quits working in some situations, such as ASV not running under Vista, then just add text to the download page alerting people that ASV has been EOL'd and is known not to work with Vista. (But the better approach would be to open source ASV so that the community can fix any such bugs.) Jon Ferraiolo IBM Adobe has decided to discontinue support for Adobe SVG Viewer. There are a number of other third-party SVG viewer implementations in the marketplace, including native support for SVG in many Web browsers. The SVG language and its adoption in the marketplace have both matured to the point where it is no longer necessary for Adobe to provide an SVG viewer. SVG is an established vector image format. Adobe currently supports SVG in several of its authoring and server products, including Illustrator, InDesign, GoLive, Version Cue, Graphics Server, FrameMaker, and FrameMaker Server. Adobe customer support for Adobe SVG Viewer will be discontinued on January 1, 2007. For more information on this decision and answers to questions about the discontinuation of Adobe SVG Viewer, please see http://www.adobe.com/svg Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/7EuRwD/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
Anyone had any experience of converting SVG to flex? Clearly Adobe is hoping that's what will happen. Guy On 07/09/2006, at 3:00 AM, Doug Schepers wrote: Hi, folks- There is a FAQ associated with this announcement, but of course, it's in Web-unfriendly PDF. I'm forwarding on the text version for your information. Not only are they stopping support for the viewer, which is reasonable, but they are preventing anyone from distributing it other than on an intranet. In my opinion, this is unjustified and downright rude. the short timeframe in which this is happening, 16 months, is not much time for another viewer to come up to speed. I think we should urge Adobe to allow the viewer to be distributed as needed, even if Adobe does not provide support or updates. That said, we will need to transition to a non-ASV SVG environment, which stresses even more the need to code to standards rather than to a particular implementation. - FAQ - ASV EOL FAQ Adobe® SVG Viewer End of Life Frequently Asked Questions This document provides answers to frequently asked questions about Adobe’s decision to discontinue support for Adobe SVG Viewer (“ASV”). Why did Adobe decide to discontinue support for ASV?...1 When will Adobe discontinue customer support for ASV?1 When will Adobe remove ASV from the download area?...1 Can I host the ASV installer on my own web site?. ..2 Will Adobe provide future security patch releases of ASV?2 Will Adobe support future SVG specifications in its authoring products?...2 Will ASV install and run on Microsoft Windows Vista?.2 Can I create my own installer for ASV?.. ...2 What products can I use instead of ASV?.. 2 Will Adobe release the source code for ASV?.. .2 Will Adobe still participate in the SVG working group?.3 Where can I find more information?.. ...3 What SVG and ASV community forums are available?..3 Why did Adobe decide to discontinue support for ASV? There are a number of other third-party SVG viewer implementations in the marketplace, including native support for SVG in many Web browsers. The SVG language and its adoption in the marketplace have both matured to the point where it is no longer necessary for Adobe to provide an SVG viewer. When will Adobe discontinue customer support for ASV? Adobe Customer Support will no longer provide support for Adobe SVG Viewer as of January 1, 2007. When will Adobe remove ASV from the download area? Adobe currently plans to remove Adobe SVG Viewer from the Adobe.com download area on January 1, 2008. Can I host the ASV installer on my own web site? You may post the Adobe SVG Viewer installer only on intranet sites. Currently, the Adobe SVG Viewer End User License Agreement does not allow you to post the ASV installer on public Internet sites. For more information, please see the Adobe SVG Viewer Distribution Agreement http://www.adobe.com/svg/distribute.html. Will Adobe provide future security patch releases of ASV? No, Adobe will not provide any more security patch releases of Adobe SVG Viewer. Will Adobe support future SVG specifications in its authoring products? Adobe Illustrator was one of the first commercial illustration tools to support SVG Full and SVG Tiny. While Adobe does not publicly disclose future product directions, we will continue to evaluate the authoring needs for vector formats like SVG Full, SVG Basic, SVG Tiny, and any successors. Will ASV install and run on Microsoft Windows Vista? Adobe SVG Viewer is not certified to install on Vista. In addition, users who install ASV on an older version of Windows and then upgrade to Vista should be aware that some features of ASV will not function correctly on Vista. Features of ASV that are currently known to not work on Vista include (but are not limited to) the View Source command, and support for audio. Can I create my own installer for ASV? You may not create your own installer for Adobe SVG Viewer. The Adobe SVG Viewer End User License Agreement does not permit the user to repackage the
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
Hi, Ronan- Ronan Oger wrote: Yeah right, and compete with their own product? Doug, you are optimistic to a fault. Perhaps. But if you don't ask for something, you're unlikely to get it. This announcement from Adobe had a rather tentative tone in parts, suggesting to me that they might be feeling out community reaction; if that reaction is strongly negative enough, they might not wish to stir up such ill will. Jon Ferraiolo, a veteran of Adobe and a driving force behind SVG, goes even further than I in his suggestions to Adobe. They canned ASV to make room for their commercial solution and have no commercial incentive to keep it there as a thorn in their side for people to build applicatons around. Clearly. But they do have a moral responsibility to the community, regardless of whether they honor that responsibility. On top of that, everyone who has had to rebuild their apps to be ecmascript compliant after using ASV has loudly cursed their javascript implementation... They can only lose on reputation from having an old, unsupported product lying around gathering user ire. This doesn't sound like a very convincing argument to me. People are more aware about standardized scripting now, thanks in no small part to this list. ASV may be permissive in its scripting engine, but it also works (mostly) with the same code that works in Opera and FF. Anyone who has been foolhardy enough to code to ASVG must surely now have learned their lesson. This is the cost of vendor-supplied free addons. Nothing given by a company is free. Opera, Mozilla, and Microsoft are companies which give away their browser for free. I'm sure that all of them have older unsupported version of their browser, but I doubt that they no longer permit their distribution. I think this is highly unorthodox of Adobe. I think that other SVG viewers will now rise to the challenge, and we may be better off without the perception of SVG as an Adobe technology, but I still think this is poor practice by Adobe. Regards- -Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WktRrD/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
My concern with FF, is how slow it is with SVG over 300k. Hopefully within 1.5 years the issue will be solved. I tested it with the FF 2 beta 2, and mouseover events are still laboriously slow. I posted it as a bug back in January, but nothing. Ronan Oger wrote: There are rumours that IE8 will have native svg support. The rumour says that IE7 won't have it because it was too difficult and too late support it, but that a decision was made to support svg in IE8. This makes sense given that IE is slipping in rankings behind other implementations that do support SVG, and it is hard to regain/stop-loss when your competitors offer more than you do. Something to keep in mind is that a technology which supports XAML will easily supports svg, since the there is a huge overlap in functionality only the slightest element name changes. Then again, rumours are just that. Maybe IE staff would care to comment on this rumour Ronan On Wednesday 06 September 2006 09:26, nyem wrote: I cannot find the announcement at adobe's website. Care to direct me to the right URL? So what's the alternative SVG viewer for IE? Can somebody make Opera as an IE plugin? Paton J. Lewis wrote: For more information on this decision and answers to questions about the discontinuation of Adobe SVG Viewer, please see http://www.adobe.com/svg http://www.adobe.com/svg - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:svg-developers-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roitsystems.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TktRrD/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
On 9/6/06 10:55 AM, Sean wrote: My concern with FF, is how slow it is with SVG over 300k. Hopefully within 1.5 years the issue will be solved. I tested it with the FF 2 beta 2, and mouseover events are still laboriously slow. I posted it as a bug back in January, but nothing. Have a bug # to reference? Firefox 2's SVG support is almost the same as 1.5, with the addition of textPath and some low-risk, high-gain bug and specification fixes backported from the trunk. Firefox 3 (which can be previewed by looking at a trunk nightly) is where development is happening. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WktRrD/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
