[svg-developers] Re: IE tries to download, not display svg file ***php (gzip_encode.php) related

[couloir007]

Revisiting this problem, Richard's suggestion didn't work. This is
what I know.

Code sample.


')."\n";
?>
http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/DTD/svg10.dtd'>

.



-I have to place gzip.exe and gzip_encode.php in the same directory to
compress my output.

-If they are not there, it will display, if so, IE tries to download
the file. What kills me, is that on my work computer and home desktop,
no problem. 

-On my laptop and some friends computers, but not all, IE tries to
download.

-I recently reformatted my laptop.

-Appears to be a problem on computers that have not recently viewed my
site.  Not sure what time frame, but computers that visited my site
say 6 months ago are fine, maybe even only 3.

-It has to do with gzip_encode.php.

-No problem running off my localhost on same laptop.

Examples

Good:
http://www.seanmontague.com/test2/map2.php

No Good:
http://www.seanmontague.com/test/map2.php

But this is OK.
http://localhost/test/map2.php


--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I had this problem similar to this and it was down to the
declaration in the 
> ..aspx page
> 
> 
> http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"; 
> xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"; 
> xmlns:ev="http://www.w3.org/2001/xml-events"; viewBox="0 0 740 610">
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Sean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
> >To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [svg-developers] Re: IE tries to download, not display
svg 
> >file
> >Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:19:28 -0600
> >
> >I haven't had much opportunity to work on the problem since my work and
> >home pc both are fine. Last night I was able to reproduce the
problem on
> >a laptop I recently reformatted, which was quite annoying, but at least
> >I now have a computer with the problem. I tried the .htaccess file and
> >doesn't help. I haven't had time to explore much with my laptop, but it
> >prompts to either save or open the SVG file. When I try to open it, IE
> >crashes. I tried lowering the security, but that doesn't seem to work
> >either. The SVG is dynamically generated with PHP, and the mime
type and
> >header are set accordingly. Like I said, it is only a problem on some
> >computers.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >Sean
> >
> >Sherm wrote:
> >
> > > Sean,
> > >
> > > Have you set the SVG MIME type on your server? I've run into this
> > > issue twice before, and neither server had SVG/SVGZ set as a MIME
> > > type.
> > >
> > > I always send server admins to this page to get info on setting the
> > > MIME type:
> > > http://www.svgfaq.com/ServerGen.asp 
> >
> > >
> > > HTH.
> > >
> > > Sherm
> > >
> > > -
> > > On 16/08/2006, at 2:42 AM, Sean wrote:
> > >
> > > I had put this off to the side thinking it might have been an error
> > > in my file, but it apparently is not. This is not an Adobe viewer vs
> > > native issue. It seems to me to be a security issue. But I can't
> > > reproduce it on my computer. I've tried increasing the security, but
> > > my computer works fine. My friends are unable to view my SVG. It is
> > > database driven, php, svg maps. When they try to open them, it wants
> > > to save them or open them, but trying to press the open button does
> > > nothing. Any insight would be most appreciated.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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[svg-developers] drawing a rectangle with mouse in html

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Hi, I want to be able to draw a transparent  rectangle
with the mouse on an image, in a html web page, and to
be able to do zoom on that selected area. I want to do
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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

[Doug Schepers]

Hi, Jonathan-

Jonathan Chetwynd wrote:
> Doug,
> 
> I don't know what else is falling apart in your life, but you need to  
> take a break.

Actually, my life is going just fine, but thanks for your concern.  In 
fact, I will be taking a nice vacation in a few days.


> my previous email was clearly labelled a reply to jeff's email, not  
> that you couldn't reply, but really your rant had absolutely nothing  
> to do with my email, which again had nothing to do with logos.

When I am quoted out of context, and the context in which I made the 
statement was the logo, I am going to step in and contextual that quoted 
statement.

To some degree, I represent the SVG WG, and thus I feel a responsibility 
to clarify disinformation about where the working group stands. 
Including audio (to the objection of several people) in SVG Tiny 1.2 was 
a clear commitment to progressive Web standards, including 
accessibility, a fact I'd have thought you would appreciate.

If you don't want me to respond and to reestablish context for my public 
comments, then don't (mis)quote me.  That seems pretty straightforward.

Regards-
-Doug


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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer

[Doug Schepers]

Hi, Richard-

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Doug
> 
> Yeh it would be good to perhaps have some idea of where we are going, our 
> apps rely heavily on SVG (closed apps that have logins) but my head is 
> spinning at the moment what to do. Maybe I should leave it for another 12 
> months and then start to worry 8 months or so before ASV gewts pulled, 
> hopefully there will be good news around the corner, unfortunatley all our 
> users use IE, we are rewriting a new version to include FF, Opera and 
> Safari, but IE is still the main browser.
> 
> I hear Ajax , Dojo2d, laszlo, emiasyswhich is the right path.oh 
> dear.

Well, I don't think it's all that confusing.  The choices really break 
down to 3 options:

1) hope/work toward SVG support in IE, either native or via a plugin 
(EmiaSys and all others mentioned on this list fall into this category)

2) use an abstracted framework that delivers whatever graphics format is 
appropriate for the target platform (Ajax, Dojo2d, laszlo all fall into 
this category)

3) use some other technology (XAML and Flash [possibly laszlo?] fall 
into this category)

I'm avoiding category 3 like the plague.  The nice thing is that 
categories 1 and 2 are orthogonal... a business can use a framework, and 
when IE SVG support is stable, reexamine if they still need that 
framework.  It can be a permanent commitment (dojo has a lot of 
advantages apart from SVG) or a stopgap.

I can tell you what my company is considering doing, and maybe that 
might help inform your choices.  We are already using dojo, so we will 
be investigating how well our content can be presented in dojo2D.  I 
admit to some initial skepticism; VML is really limited, but I will 
follow up on it and see how much can be done.  If it is designed 
correctly, it could deliver SVG to FF, Opera, Safari, etc., VML to base 
IE, and SVG to IE+SVG (either via plug-in or native, down the line).

dojo2D pros:
* abstracted development layer
* browser independent
* doesn't matter if IE has an SVG plug-in or not

dojo2D cons:
* dependence on dojo framework (not so bad for my company)
* new abstracted layer to learn
* may not be as full-featured as programming to native SVG 
implementations (lowest common denominator)

But my real aim is finding a replacement for ASV.  Having spent a few 
days taking stock of our options, I am pretty confident that with the 
will behind this group, the commercial opportunities and incentives for 
other companies, and the available resources (both open and closed 
source), we will be able to get at least fair SVG support for IE.

Of course, Adobe could help this along by providing the code to help us 
do this, rather than aggressively attacking SVG.  As has been said 
before, they have every right to stop supporting ASV, but their next 
move determines how they will be seen in doing so.

Regards-
-Doug


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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

[Jonathan Chetwynd]

Doug,

I don't know what else is falling apart in your life, but you need to  
take a break.

my previous email was clearly labelled a reply to jeff's email, not  
that you couldn't reply, but really your rant had absolutely nothing  
to do with my email, which again had nothing to do with logos.

cheers

Jonathan Chetwynd



On 9 Sep 2006, at 18:32, Doug Schepers wrote:

Hi, Jonathan-

Jonathan Chetwynd wrote:
 >
 > In case of complete mozilla SVG developer obtuseness as currently
 > available in bucket loads: it is an accessibility issue, a usability
 > issue and if commonsense and commercial realism aren't enough an
 > enhancement request as well. However they know best... "audio will
 > irritate most people"

Quit taking my words out of context. As I said to you on IRC a couple
days ago, "peepo, I don't want you to have the impression that I don't
think audio is important. I do. I love that SVGT1.2 now has a
standardized way to implement it in browsers. I will push for them to
do so [browsers to implement it]. I just don't think it's needed for a
logo." My statement was clearly about specific content (the logo), not
about the capability of the UA.

Imagine this scenario: a user goes to a page where the author indicates
that to view the content, they will need an SVG viewer; this was common
in the early days of Flash, and until SVG is widely available on IE, I
think this is may be the most common use case for the logo (I know my
company uses a similar indicator on the log-in screen).

The user either has SVG capability (they are using a modern browser or
have a plug-in), or they go and get it (we hope!) and come back. There,
they are hit with the "ding-Ding-DING" or "fwoosh!" or (basso profundo)
"SVG Powered!" sound of the logo. Maybe they ignore it, or maybe they
hear it once and think, "Hah, that's cute".

Then they visit the site again. And again. And they go to another site
that uses the SVG logo. And as SVG becomes even more popular (I'm an
optimist, remember), they hear that sound more and more.

The user doesn't want to browse with the sound off on their computer
because they are listening to their iTunes, or disable audio in their
browser because they are streaming Pandora.

I have no doubt that they would come to associate that sound with SVG,
it's true... but the flip side is that they would start associating SVG
with that dang sound that keeps hitting them every time they stumble on
a page using SVG. It happens when they are browsing at work, in a cafe,
etc. For me, the irritation would start to really kick in right around
the 2nd or 3rd time, and grow from there. Sorry, but I don't want SVG
to become associated with the aural equivalent of the  tag.

So, what does a sensible SVG author do? They take out the sound, or use
the sound-free version (which I assure you, the logo contest would
provide). Accessibility, as you know, is something that only works well
when it is consistent (such as by providing an inobtrusive text
fallback). If the sound is present some places, but not others, it
merely sends a mixed indicator to those who would benefit from it, which
is actually even worse.

Finally, what makes you think that visually-impaired people want to be
assailed by sound any more than sighted people? Do you think I like
having Flash banners blinking at me from the sidebar or top of the page?
Let's be clear: when you are talking about accessibility, are you
talking about for the visually-impaired, or for some other group?

We could provide a more discrete way to activate the sound than on load
time, such as when the user focuses it (clicking on the logo, or tabbing
to it). But this has several drawbacks:
1) It drastically increases the file size (in which case authors will
use the smaller sound-free version, see above);
2) If the user already has a screen-reader, the sound would obscure the
voicing of the text equivalent provided by the metadata/text fallback;
3) Finding a professional-quality distinctive sound would be even more
difficult and expensive than finding a professional-quality logo, since
it's not as common a hobby and is even more subject to taste (and I'm
not willing to settle for a mediocre sound).

Now imagine some different scenarios: I am building a Web application,
and I provide discreet but clear UI sounds... clicks, slides, zooms (for
the record, this is not theoretical, I've done this at a client's
behest, for special-needs kids, and it worked well). Or, I provide an
audio help system, or a tutorial. Or I make a simple audio mixer in
SVG. Or I have an audio and/or video streaming player in SVG in my
browser. Or, like your site, when the user focuses a particular icon, a
specific sound is played.

These are all good uses of sound in SVG... or rather, good uses of sound
on the Web. They have context and enhance --rather than detract from--
the user experience. I'm very glad that we are starting to make this
possible (after way too long).

Having it on a logo? Not appropriate

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer

[richard.gnyla]

Doug

Yeh it would be good to perhaps have some idea of where we are going, our 
apps rely heavily on SVG (closed apps that have logins) but my head is 
spinning at the moment what to do. Maybe I should leave it for another 12 
months and then start to worry 8 months or so before ASV gewts pulled, 
hopefully there will be good news around the corner, unfortunatley all our 
users use IE, we are rewriting a new version to include FF, Opera and 
Safari, but IE is still the main browser.

I hear Ajax , Dojo2d, laszlo, emiasyswhich is the right path.oh 
dear.

Richard


>From: Doug Schepers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
>To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe 
>SVG Viewer
>Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 11:36:40 -0400
>
>Hi-
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I spose we are now in the hands of
> >
> > http://www.gosvg.net/
> >
>
>I just want to note here that the team behind the Renesis SVG viewer is
>under new management... there is a new company, EmiaSys, with only the
>core technical staff, and with a different financial backer.  From what
>I understand, the original parent company, EvolGrafiX, was a source of a
>lot of the frustrations we felt.  I think we should keep an open mind
>about the Renesis platform.  I've been talking to EmiaSys casually for a
>couple months as an SVG WG member (they've been asking about some
>technical matters related to SVG Tiny 1.2) and they seem much more
>focused than before.
>
>But I agree with Ronan's post in this thread.  There are several options
>out there, including existing SVG viewers that haven't bothered to
>create plug-ins for IE because Adobe had already staked that ground out.
>   This does represent an opportunity for one or more companies to prove
>their mettle.
>
>I would like to see several viewers available...  not just for
>redundancy, but to drive innovation.  Even if IE ends up supporting SVG,
>we won't know to what degree or how cross-browser compatible it will be,
>so as a business decision, I would like to have the option to distribute
>an alternate viewer of my choosing that has all the features that I
>need.  I would not be surprised if companies using SVG would pay for
>support and distribution contracts, something Adobe never offered.
>
>Regards-
>-Doug

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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

[Doug Schepers]

Hi, Jonathan-

Jonathan Chetwynd wrote:
> 
> In case of complete mozilla SVG developer obtuseness as currently  
> available in bucket loads: it is an accessibility issue, a usability  
> issue and if commonsense and commercial realism aren't enough an  
> enhancement request as well. However they know best... "audio will  
> irritate most people"

Quit taking my words out of context.  As I said to you on IRC a couple 
days ago, "peepo, I don't want you to have the impression that I don't 
think audio is important.  I do.  I love that SVGT1.2 now has a 
standardized way to implement it in browsers.  I will push for them to 
do so [browsers to implement it].  I just don't think it's needed for a 
logo."  My statement was clearly about specific content (the logo), not 
about the capability of the UA.

Imagine this scenario:  a user goes to a page where the author indicates 
that to view the content, they will need an SVG viewer;  this was common 
in the early days of Flash, and until SVG is widely available on IE, I 
think this is may be the most common use case for the logo (I know my 
company uses a similar indicator on the log-in screen).

The user either has SVG capability (they are using a modern browser or 
have a plug-in), or they go and get it (we hope!) and come back.  There, 
they are hit with the "ding-Ding-DING" or "fwoosh!" or (basso profundo) 
"SVG Powered!" sound of the logo.  Maybe they ignore it, or maybe they 
hear it once and think, "Hah, that's cute".

Then they visit the site again.  And again.  And they go to another site 
that uses the SVG logo.  And as SVG becomes even more popular (I'm an 
optimist, remember), they hear that sound more and more.

The user doesn't want to browse with the sound off on their computer 
because they are listening to their iTunes, or disable audio in their 
browser because they are streaming Pandora.

I have no doubt that they would come to associate that sound with SVG, 
it's true... but the flip side is that they would start associating SVG 
with that dang sound that keeps hitting them every time they stumble on 
a page using SVG.  It happens when they are browsing at work, in a cafe, 
etc.  For me, the irritation would start to really kick in right around 
the 2nd or 3rd time, and grow from there.  Sorry, but I don't want SVG 
to become associated with the aural equivalent of the  tag.

So, what does a sensible SVG author do?  They take out the sound, or use 
the sound-free version (which I assure you, the logo contest would 
provide).  Accessibility, as you know, is something that only works well 
when it is consistent (such as by providing an inobtrusive text 
fallback).  If the sound is present some places, but not others, it 
merely sends a mixed indicator to those who would benefit from it, which 
is actually even worse.

Finally, what makes you think that visually-impaired people want to be 
assailed by sound any more than sighted people?  Do you think I like 
having Flash banners blinking at me from the sidebar or top of the page? 
  Let's be clear: when you are talking about accessibility, are you 
talking about for the visually-impaired, or for some other group?

We could provide a more discrete way to activate the sound than on load 
time, such as when the user focuses it (clicking on the logo, or tabbing 
to it).  But this has several drawbacks:
1)  It drastically increases the file size (in which case authors will 
use the smaller sound-free version, see above);
2)  If the user already has a screen-reader, the sound would obscure the 
voicing of the text equivalent provided by the metadata/text fallback;
3)  Finding a professional-quality distinctive sound would be even more 
difficult and expensive than finding a professional-quality logo, since 
it's not as common a hobby and is even more subject to taste (and I'm 
not willing to settle for a mediocre sound).

Now imagine some different scenarios:  I am building a Web application, 
and I provide discreet but clear UI sounds... clicks, slides, zooms (for 
the record, this is not theoretical, I've done this at a client's 
behest, for special-needs kids, and it worked well).  Or, I provide an 
audio help system, or a tutorial.  Or I make a simple audio mixer in 
SVG.  Or I have an audio and/or video streaming player in SVG in my 
browser.  Or, like your site, when the user focuses a particular icon, a 
specific sound is played.

These are all good uses of sound in SVG... or rather, good uses of sound 
on the Web.  They have context and enhance --rather than detract from-- 
the user experience.  I'm very glad that we are starting to make this 
possible (after way too long).

Having it on a logo?  Not appropriate.

Regards-
-Doug


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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

[Doug Schepers]

Hi, Jonathan-

Jonathan Chetwynd wrote:
> 
> In case of complete mozilla SVG developer obtuseness as currently  
> available in bucket loads: it is an accessibility issue, a usability  
> issue and if commonsense and commercial realism aren't enough an  
> enhancement request as well. However they know best... "audio will  
> irritate most people"

Quit taking my words out of context.  As I said to you on IRC a couple 
days ago, "peepo, I don't want you to have the impression that I don't 
think audio is important.  I do.  I love that SVGT1.2 now has a 
standardized way to implement it in browsers.  I will push for them to 
do so [browsers to implement it].  I just don't think it's needed for a 
logo."  My statement was clearly about specific content (the logo), not 
about the capability of the UA.

Imagine this scenario:  a user goes to a page where the author indicates 
that to view the content, they will need an SVG viewer;  this was common 
in the early days of Flash, and until SVG is widely available on IE, I 
think this is may be the most common use case for the logo (I know my 
company uses a similar indicator on the log-in screen).

The user either has SVG capability (they are using a modern browser or 
have a plug-in), or they go and get it (we hope!) and come back.  There, 
they are hit with the "ding-Ding-DING" or "fwoosh!" or (basso profundo) 
"SVG Powered!" sound of the logo.  Maybe they ignore it, or maybe they 
hear it once and think, "Hah, that's cute".

Then they visit the site again.  And again.  And they go to another site 
that uses the SVG logo.  And as SVG becomes even more popular (I'm an 
optimist, remember), they hear that sound more and more.

The user doesn't want to browse with the sound off on their computer 
because they are listening to their iTunes, or disable audio in their 
browser because they are streaming Pandora.

I have no doubt that they would come to associate that sound with SVG, 
it's true... but the flip side is that they would start associating SVG 
with that dang sound that keeps hitting them every time they stumble on 
a page using SVG.  It happens when they are browsing at work, in a cafe, 
etc.  For me, the irritation would start to really kick in right around 
the 2nd or 3rd time, and grow from there.  Sorry, but I don't want SVG 
to become associated with the aural equivalent of the  tag.

So, what does a sensible SVG author do?  They take out the sound, or use 
the sound-free version (which I assure you, the logo contest would 
provide).  Accessibility, as you know, is something that only works well 
when it is consistent (such as by providing an inobtrusive text 
fallback).  If the sound is present some places, but not others, it 
merely sends a mixed indicator to those who would benefit from it, which 
is actually even worse.

Finally, what makes you think that visually-impaired people want to be 
assailed by sound any more than sighted people?  Do you think I like 
having Flash banners blinking at me from the sidebar or top of the page? 
  Let's be clear: when you are talking about accessibility, are you 
talking about for the visually-impaired, or for some other group?

We could provide a more discrete way to activate the sound than on load 
time, such as when the user focuses it (clicking on the logo, or tabbing 
to it).  But this has several drawbacks:
1)  It drastically increases the file size (in which case authors will 
use the smaller sound-free version, see above);
2)  If the user already has a screen-reader, the sound would obscure the 
voicing of the text equivalent provided by the metadata/text fallback;
3)  Finding a professional-quality distinctive sound would be even more 
difficult and expensive than finding a professional-quality logo, since 
it's not as common a hobby and is even more subject to taste (and I'm 
not willing to settle for a mediocre sound).

Now imagine some different scenarios:  I am building a Web application, 
and I provide discreet but clear UI sounds... clicks, slides, zooms (for 
the record, this is not theoretical, I've done this at a client's 
behest, for special-needs kids, and it worked well).  Or, I provide an 
audio help system, or a tutorial.  Or I make a simple audio mixer in 
SVG.  Or I have an audio and/or video streaming player in SVG in my 
browser.  Or, like your site, when the user focuses a particular icon, a 
specific sound is played.

These are all good uses of sound in SVG... or rather, good uses of sound 
on the Web.  They have context and enhance --rather than detract from-- 
the user experience.  I'm very glad that we are starting to make this 
possible (after way too long).

Having it on a logo?  Not appropriate.

Regards-
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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer

[Doug Schepers]

Hi-

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I spose we are now in the hands of
> 
> http://www.gosvg.net/
> 

I just want to note here that the team behind the Renesis SVG viewer is 
under new management... there is a new company, EmiaSys, with only the 
core technical staff, and with a different financial backer.  From what 
I understand, the original parent company, EvolGrafiX, was a source of a 
lot of the frustrations we felt.  I think we should keep an open mind 
about the Renesis platform.  I've been talking to EmiaSys casually for a 
couple months as an SVG WG member (they've been asking about some 
technical matters related to SVG Tiny 1.2) and they seem much more 
focused than before.

But I agree with Ronan's post in this thread.  There are several options 
out there, including existing SVG viewers that haven't bothered to 
create plug-ins for IE because Adobe had already staked that ground out. 
  This does represent an opportunity for one or more companies to prove 
their mettle.

I would like to see several viewers available...  not just for 
redundancy, but to drive innovation.  Even if IE ends up supporting SVG, 
we won't know to what degree or how cross-browser compatible it will be, 
so as a business decision, I would like to have the option to distribute 
an alternate viewer of my choosing that has all the features that I 
need.  I would not be surprised if companies using SVG would pay for 
support and distribution contracts, something Adobe never offered.

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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer

[Ronan Oger]

Actually, there are a number of options at this point.

For one thing, the existence of a free browser plugin from Adobe, which hoped 
to bring in revenues from serverside sales,  made it difficult for 
competitors to offer alternative browser plugins.

For example, there are a number of svgt1.2 viewers out there, any one of which 
could be turned into a low-cost svg plugin into IE if the vendors find an 
alluring business case.

However, the appearance that MS are working on an svg solution for IE8 means 
that any vendor thinking of going with a plugin for their viewer has a 
limited window of opportunity.

It is far too early in the development of the demise of ASV to assume the 
worst-case scenarios. They have created a vacuum for IE, and either someone 
will fill it or IE users who want SVG will move to another platform. After 
all, IE now has less than 80% of the platform worldwide, and in Europe that 
number is far, far lower. When IE is missing a feature, that is no longer the 
feature's demise, and is more yet another drop in user base for IE (hence 
their working on an svg solution).

On Saturday 09 September 2006 10:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I spose we are now in the hands of
>
> http://www.gosvg.net/
>
> >From: Jon Ferraiolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
> >To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG
> >Viewer
> >Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:30:16 -0700
> >
> >
> >As of when??!?!?!!?
> >What happened???
> >Leonard
> >--
> >
> >Hi Leonard (and the other 7455 people on this list),
> >
> >I changed jobs in May, leaving Adobe to join IBM's Emerging Technologies
> >group to help with OpenAjax. I left Adobe for IBM because this OpenAjax
> >opportunity was just too attractive, even though my previous assignments
> > at Adobe were also interesting and fun. (OK. I'll come clean. The REAL
> > reason was I felt hugely embarrassed about living in Silicon Valley and
> > not changing jobs in 13 years.) Here are some URLs on OpenAjax:
> >
> >http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/19187.wss - OpenAjax
> >launched with 15 original members
> >http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/19623.wss - OpenAjax gains
> >13 additional members
> >http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/05/22/78577_HNajaxforge_1.html - Press
> >report on first OpenAjax Alliance meeting
> >http://ajax.sys-con.com/read/233247.htm - About me taking the reins
> >
> >There will be a lot more information about OpenAjax in the coming weeks.
> > In particular, we are about to unveil our web site, a white paper,
> > outline definition of the "OpenAjax Hub" (and associated open source
> > project), announcements of new members, and have our second face-to-face
> > meeting. Very cool stuff. Maybe not as cool as SVG or next-generation
> > PDF, but cool nonetheless, and as I have mentioned in previous emails,
> > SVG is becoming a component technology of Ajax. (And I can now hang my
> > head high again in Silicon Valley due to having job-hopped recently.)
> >
> >Jon
> >
> >Jon Ferraiolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Web Architect, Emerging Technologies
> >IBM, Menlo Park, CA
> >
> >
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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer

[Jeroen Vanattenhoven]

yeah, I'm waiting for that one ...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef:
> I spose we are now in the hands of
>
> http://www.gosvg.net/
>
>
>
>
>   
>> From: Jon Ferraiolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
>> To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG 
>> Viewer
>> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:30:16 -0700
>>
>>
>> As of when??!?!?!!?
>> What happened???
>> Leonard
>> --
>>
>> Hi Leonard (and the other 7455 people on this list),
>>
>> I changed jobs in May, leaving Adobe to join IBM's Emerging Technologies
>> group to help with OpenAjax. I left Adobe for IBM because this OpenAjax
>> opportunity was just too attractive, even though my previous assignments at
>> Adobe were also interesting and fun. (OK. I'll come clean. The REAL reason
>> was I felt hugely embarrassed about living in Silicon Valley and not
>> changing jobs in 13 years.) Here are some URLs on OpenAjax:
>>
>> http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/19187.wss - OpenAjax
>> launched with 15 original members
>> http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/19623.wss - OpenAjax gains
>> 13 additional members
>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/05/22/78577_HNajaxforge_1.html - Press
>> report on first OpenAjax Alliance meeting
>> http://ajax.sys-con.com/read/233247.htm - About me taking the reins
>>
>> There will be a lot more information about OpenAjax in the coming weeks. In
>> particular, we are about to unveil our web site, a white paper, outline
>> definition of the "OpenAjax Hub" (and associated open source project),
>> announcements of new members, and have our second face-to-face meeting.
>> Very cool stuff. Maybe not as cool as SVG or next-generation PDF, but cool
>> nonetheless, and as I have mentioned in previous emails, SVG is becoming a
>> component technology of Ajax. (And I can now hang my head high again in
>> Silicon Valley due to having job-hopped recently.)
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> Jon Ferraiolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Web Architect, Emerging Technologies
>> IBM, Menlo Park, CA
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

[Jonathan Chetwynd]

Jeff,

Just to clarify, I wasn't implying, I was stating and repeat:

Sound-audio support is currently a mozilla SVG1.1 bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334920

This is because foreignObject support is part of SVG1.1 and claimed  
by mozilla.
however foreignObject embed-object support is comprehensively broken.

In case of complete mozilla SVG developer obtuseness as currently  
available in bucket loads: it is an accessibility issue, a usability  
issue and if commonsense and commercial realism aren't enough an  
enhancement request as well. However they know best... "audio will  
irritate most people"

Naturally there are a host of alternative ways to support sound,  
safari webkit, ie-asv, and opera all chose different ones.
mozilla remains the only popular svg UA without a way to play audio  
in svg.

As you can tell we have a thriving working relationship :-)

cheers

Jonathan Chetwynd



On 8 Sep 2006, at 20:35, Jeff Schiller wrote:

Jonathan,

I agree, sound/audio is a sorely lacking component of the online web
experience, I guess because maybe no one had proposed an open
standard for audio/sound until lately (HTML5), so Netscape had some
proprietary way, so does Flash, etc.

Sound/audio is something outside the scope of SVG 1.1, and Mozilla is
currently targeting SVG 1.1 so you can't really equate this as a "SVG
bug" (not saying you were implying that, I'm just clarifying for
everyone). SVGT 1.2 does contain support for sound, video, etc so we
may see something if SVG 1.2 becomes the defacto standard one day.

However, outside of the SVG realm, Opera has decided to be the first
browser (as far as I'm aware) to implement the Sound/Audio interface
proposed by the WHATWG's HTML5 standard (also called Web Applications
1.0). Though this interface is relatively crude, it does allow you
to do simple things like looping music and triggering sound on events.

Regards,
Jeff

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chetwynd
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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 > Jon,
 >
 > among other significant outstanding bugs that mozilla/firefox is
 > being really slow to resolve is the issue of audio or sound.
 >
 > Aywk adobe had sound support from the start as does flash. in fact
 > many authors use flash solely to provide audio on webpages.
 >
 > I just wondered whether you had considered this issue and whether
you
 > felt it had relevance.
 >
 > cheers
 >
 > Jonathan Chetwynd
 >
 >
 > >> especially given the Mozilla/Firefox support for HTML+SVG
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RE: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer

[richard.gnyla]

I spose we are now in the hands of

http://www.gosvg.net/




>From: Jon Ferraiolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
>To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG 
>Viewer
>Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:30:16 -0700
>
>
>As of when??!?!?!!?
>What happened???
>Leonard
>--
>
>Hi Leonard (and the other 7455 people on this list),
>
>I changed jobs in May, leaving Adobe to join IBM's Emerging Technologies
>group to help with OpenAjax. I left Adobe for IBM because this OpenAjax
>opportunity was just too attractive, even though my previous assignments at
>Adobe were also interesting and fun. (OK. I'll come clean. The REAL reason
>was I felt hugely embarrassed about living in Silicon Valley and not
>changing jobs in 13 years.) Here are some URLs on OpenAjax:
>
>http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/19187.wss - OpenAjax
>launched with 15 original members
>http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/19623.wss - OpenAjax gains
>13 additional members
>http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/05/22/78577_HNajaxforge_1.html - Press
>report on first OpenAjax Alliance meeting
>http://ajax.sys-con.com/read/233247.htm - About me taking the reins
>
>There will be a lot more information about OpenAjax in the coming weeks. In
>particular, we are about to unveil our web site, a white paper, outline
>definition of the "OpenAjax Hub" (and associated open source project),
>announcements of new members, and have our second face-to-face meeting.
>Very cool stuff. Maybe not as cool as SVG or next-generation PDF, but cool
>nonetheless, and as I have mentioned in previous emails, SVG is becoming a
>component technology of Ajax. (And I can now hang my head high again in
>Silicon Valley due to having job-hopped recently.)
>
>Jon
>
>Jon Ferraiolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Web Architect, Emerging Technologies
>IBM, Menlo Park, CA
>
>
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