[svg-developers] Re: Free (or inexpensive) SVG Editors
Ronan, I suggest you leave the personal attacks for private emails. It is much less tacky. I am not putting out an RFP. If you are providing a product then I will give you the necessary details. If not then please respond to my original email as requested and point me to folks who do provide a product so that I may discuss with them. I am sorry that you have decided to stoop to such a low level. To the list administrator: I highly suggest you remove Ronans email. I'm sure he will regret sending it in the future and it will be doing him a favor. Sincerely, Alastair Fettes - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Free (or inexpensive) SVG Editors
Alastair, 1) I answered your question 2) You did not answer my question as an interested party 3) You resent my stated concern on another list that as an employee of an engineering services company I feel that you are unqualified to offer to organise a global SVG conference unless your employer backs the conference. As I repeated to you to exhaustion, this is due to the risk that your employer - who owns your schedule - has different priorities than you do. They may therefore have a need to reassign you in a manner that will cause the conference to once again be cancelled. As I have also said to exhaustion, this point is for Andreas Neumann only to consider. I am sorry that you take this as a sign of persecution. I have never worked for your employer, and have never been "presecuted" by them. Back to the relevant point... Please stick to the matter at hand and answer my questions. You are asking for something for free, the least you can do is give an idea to potential volunteers who is asking for this favour. The questions I asked are reasonable and in good faith. If you chose not to answer them, I will chose not to help you get the information. Ronan On Tuesday 19 September 2006 16:34, Alastair Fettes wrote: > Ronan, > > I asked for names of software such that I may evaluate them. That's > it. Evaluation includes fit for use, cost, license restrictions, etc > etc. Please stop jumping to conclusions with every email I send. > Just because you have personal issues with my employer over their > supposed treatment of YOU does not mean you need to attempt to put ME > on the hot seat at every opportunity. > > I will however be a bit more specific: > > Windows XP. WYSIWYG editor. Non-experts. Non-web based - must be > client side application. Access to the internet is not guaranteed. > > Sincerely, > Alastair Fettes > > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Ronan Oger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Alastair, > > > > There are a number of open-source svg editors like inkscape that you > > can > > > package into your distribution. Those products are truly "free". > > > > For cheap editors, there is Sketsa for $US49/seat - that's almost > > free for > > > enterprises. > > http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Multimedia_and_Graphics/Graphics_Editors >/Sketsa_SVG_Graphics_Editor.html > > > Maybe you can convince Kiyut to give you a bulk license deal. > > http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Authors/Kiyut.html > > > > As for almost everything else, there are some parameters you kind of > > need to > > > specify in order to help us solution providers decide whether we > > want to > > > provide nearly-free products to an enterprise client. > > > > As you know, even svg developers need to put food on the table. > > > > > > It might be helpful of you could expand on the following questions > > that I am > > > sure every interested party would like to ask: > > > > 1) how many seats? By almost free, do you mean 10,000 licenses for > > $5/license > > > or 50 licenses for $1000/license? Or do you really mean unlimited > > licenses > > > for a few bucks and a pat on the back? if the latter, what kind of pat? > > Generally, unlimited-copy wite-label licenses are VERY EXPENSIVE. > > > > 2) what is the target OS? or are you thinking of a web app? if so, what > > serverside parameters? Enterprise Java grade with Oracle, or > > php/mysql? any > > > taboo bits? What version of SVG viewer do you need to support? > > > > 3) what sort of final user are you thinking of, and are you > > *selling* this or > > > giving it away? If you are giving it away, are you white-labeling it or > > giving away a product clearly marked as someone else's? > > > > 4) Are you representing an enterprise or a struggling start-up? > > Is the final user an enterprise, a government, or an institution? > > Will profit be derived by the use of this tool? > > > > 5) How does the provider of this "almost free" software recover > > their cost and > > > put bread on the table? Advertising at the client side? > > click-through url on > > > the product? > > > > 6) Are you asking for *unlimited* distribution rights? Is that > > within the > > > intended product, and only for that particular distribution, or > > forever, for > > > any product sold by your employer? > > > > 7) Who gets to do client-requested upgrades? Are those done at > > commercial > > > rates? > > > > 8) Who pays for bug fixes? > > > > 9) Who is "we"? > > > > 10) When are you looking for this for? > > > > 11) What features are you looking for? "svg editor" is a very big > > field. are > > > you looking for a drawing editor for simple primitives to handle static > > sprites or for a full-featured editor solution that can handle > > namespaces, > > > SMIL, scripting, etc? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ronan > > > > On Monday 18 September 2006 18:58, Alastair Fettes wrote: > > > Does anyone have a list of easy to use wysiwyg SVG editors? We're > > > looking for a free (or *very*
RE: [svg-developers] Re: Replace ASV with CSV
I think this is the beggining and not the end. Firefox, Safari, Opera will support SVG pretty fully by end 2007 Emiasys will have a plugin available for IE XAML will be out and supported in IE7, 8 IE8 will have XAML & SVG support If all the above fails then Google will buy Opera and Firefox and everyone will download the browser and replace IE as everybody loves Google. Everyone decides not to download flash player cos know that all it does is play annoying adverts. We will all be on high paid jobs because we are SVG experts :) Richard >From: "zedkineece" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com >To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [svg-developers] Re: Replace ASV with CSV >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:54:41 - > >No slight taken... > >In rebuttal: > >This big project I am on is going to move to Windows Vista when it >is released. We have gone down a road using ASV for quite a while >now, and now we have to rethink the entire project. How will ASV >3.0.2 work on Vista? (rhetorical question). > > >--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Al Darby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > > > > What am I missing? > > > > All this "The Sky is Falling" talk has me baffled. > > > > My understanding is that at some date in the future, Adobe will > > discontinue ASV ... so what? > > > > As far as I know, it was "discontinued" some time ago, I mean when > > did we last see an update? > > > > Will it stop working, will my PC explode if I have it installed, > > will I be unable to install my downloaded copy on another PC? > > > > Is it unlikely that there will ever be a replacement for ASV, or a > > migration path for SVG. I suspect the answer to both is "No". > > > > As I said, what have I missed? > > > > BTW "zedkineece" I mean you no personal slight, it's just that >yours > > is the most recent post in this vein. Pax > > > > Al > > > > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "zedkineece" > > wrote: > > > > > > I have tried every other available SVG viewer, and none of them > > work > > > on my project, nor do they provide the capabilities that ASV >does > > > (highlighting circuit signals, high use of context menu). This > > news > > > has all but destroyed my business. > > [...] > > > > > > > _ Windows Live Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: COALITION - (WAS: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer)
Doug Schepers wrote: > Guy Morton wrote: >>Yeah, but it's not too professional-looking to have to give a list of >>"abandoned" websites that happen to host the plugin and hope that joe >>public will trust that any software thus downloaded isn't riddled >>with virii and worms. who's going to guarantee that it isn't? You? > > I think you hit the nail on the head... > It is not the question of availability of a viewer, it is a question of > the legitimacy and perception of viability of the viewer. For what it's worth, I agree strongly with you on this as well. Getting people to install OS-native code on their own machines is difficult, both for trust issues and for installation costs. Getting your own native code deployed on the world's desktops is not easy. That's why I care so much about the "render SVG in Flash Player" approach developed by Claus Wahlers and friends: http://wahlers.com.br/claus/blog/display-svg-in-97-of-all-web-browsers/ Instead of asking millions of people to install a renderer, this approach uses a renderer already installed on their machines (Adobe Flash Player), and sends SVG-rendering instructions as ECMAScript in a SWF file, which then calls and renders the SVG XML instructions themselves. The nice thing is that the rendering instructions can then be open for editing by each content developer -- the deployed Player remains a general media/interactivity engine, but you can change what it does when it encounters a particular SVG tag, remove or enhance parts of the rendering instructions as you see fit, etc. This would not conflict with the choice of other content developers, because the ECMAScript instructions are separate from the rendering engine itself. For instance, the DENG engine Claus uses here is a 75kb SWF file, whose scripting instructions render a wide range of protocols. There would be some tasks that such an approach would not accomplish, but there are many which it *can* accomplish. If you see particularly difficult sticking-points with this "SVG engine as document" approach then I'd like to understand them well enough to be able to evangelize them internally here at Adobe, thanks. (Disclaimers: I have no particular insight into Adobe's recent ASV announcement -- I learned of it on this list too. I also like and respect people on this list (even though I get beat up sometimes ;-) because folks here *care* about improving the web-browsing experience... our goals have been the same, even though the means may have differed.) jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Replace ASV with CSV
No slight taken... In rebuttal: This big project I am on is going to move to Windows Vista when it is released. We have gone down a road using ASV for quite a while now, and now we have to rethink the entire project. How will ASV 3.0.2 work on Vista? (rhetorical question). --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Al Darby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What am I missing? > > All this "The Sky is Falling" talk has me baffled. > > My understanding is that at some date in the future, Adobe will > discontinue ASV ... so what? > > As far as I know, it was "discontinued" some time ago, I mean when > did we last see an update? > > Will it stop working, will my PC explode if I have it installed, > will I be unable to install my downloaded copy on another PC? > > Is it unlikely that there will ever be a replacement for ASV, or a > migration path for SVG. I suspect the answer to both is "No". > > As I said, what have I missed? > > BTW "zedkineece" I mean you no personal slight, it's just that yours > is the most recent post in this vein. Pax > > Al > > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "zedkineece" > wrote: > > > > I have tried every other available SVG viewer, and none of them > work > > on my project, nor do they provide the capabilities that ASV does > > (highlighting circuit signals, high use of context menu). This > news > > has all but destroyed my business. > [...] > - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: COALITION - (WAS: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer)
Hi, Guy- Guy Morton wrote: > Yeah, but it's not too professional-looking to have to give a list of > "abandoned" websites that happen to host the plugin and hope that joe > public will trust that any software thus downloaded isn't riddled > with virii and worms. who's going to guarantee that it isn't? You? I think you hit the nail on the head. My employer targets big companies, who don't like deploying things that are unsupported, and who tend to use IE. I'm sure a solution will be soon in coming, but "hosting" illegal copies of ASV (long abandoned, but still technically "supported") or using long-dead versions of Corel's viewer are not going to fly with these companies, and will hardly give credibility to SVG. It is not the question of availability of a viewer, it is a question of the legitimacy and perception of viability of the viewer. > I love civil disobedience as much as the next man, but seriously, i > don't think this is much of an option. Same here. I like Nico's idea and attitude, but pragmatically it won't fly for all needs. Having the status of a technology pending the resolution of a lawsuit will not inspire confidence. Regards- -Doug - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: evt.target.ownerDocument vs document
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, David Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Some time ago I developed the possibly superstitious habit of putting an
> onload=startup(evt) inside my tag; then having
>
> function startup(evt)
> {
> SVGDocument=evt.target.ownerDocument
> SVGRoot = SVGDoc.documentElement;
>
> }
> Is my superstition here based on some historical wisdom, or might I
> just discard it along with other excess cognitive baggage?
One problem is that so far there is no W3C specification defining
something like a global window object with a predefined document
property. There is a movement by now however to try to define stuff as
W3C standards that has been established by browser/user agent
implementations.
But in terms of the history of SVG 1.0 and viewers like Adobe SVG
viewer 2.0 your approach was justified I think. I don't remember for
sure myself but the Adove SVG viewer 3.0 PDF documentation says that
stuff like
window
window.document
respective
document
where not supported before the 3.0 viewer.
Browsers/user agents like Opera or Firefox had those properties all
the time before they even supported SVG so with such viewers you won't
have any problems.
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[svg-developers] Pan, zoom and text find functions in Opera 9.01 for SVG
Hi. I guess this question is for anyone here who knows a little or a lot about Opera's implementation of SVG. I'm running Opera 9.01 under Suse Linux Pro 9.2 on an HP Omnibook laptop. The Opera browser itself runs great. The SVG file I'm opening with it is super simple: http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"; version="1.1"> Hello I've discovered, that by right-clicking on the image, I get a context menu where I can select: zoom in, zoom out, copy text, etc. I haven't yet found functionality though, that allows me to find a text string in the SVG (ctrl-F *does* bring up a "Find" dialog box, but this function doesn't actually find the text in the SVG). Also, I haven't found any means to pan the SVG image. Am I missing anything? Thanks, Doug - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Free (or inexpensive) SVG Editors
Ronan, I asked for names of software such that I may evaluate them. That's it. Evaluation includes fit for use, cost, license restrictions, etc etc. Please stop jumping to conclusions with every email I send. Just because you have personal issues with my employer over their supposed treatment of YOU does not mean you need to attempt to put ME on the hot seat at every opportunity. I will however be a bit more specific: Windows XP. WYSIWYG editor. Non-experts. Non-web based - must be client side application. Access to the internet is not guaranteed. Sincerely, Alastair Fettes --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Ronan Oger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Alastair, > > There are a number of open-source svg editors like inkscape that you can > package into your distribution. Those products are truly "free". > > For cheap editors, there is Sketsa for $US49/seat - that's almost free for > enterprises. > > http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Multimedia_and_Graphics/Graphics_Editors/Sketsa_SVG_Graphics_Editor.html > > Maybe you can convince Kiyut to give you a bulk license deal. > http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Authors/Kiyut.html > > As for almost everything else, there are some parameters you kind of need to > specify in order to help us solution providers decide whether we want to > provide nearly-free products to an enterprise client. > > As you know, even svg developers need to put food on the table. > > > It might be helpful of you could expand on the following questions that I am > sure every interested party would like to ask: > > 1) how many seats? By almost free, do you mean 10,000 licenses for $5/license > or 50 licenses for $1000/license? Or do you really mean unlimited licenses > for a few bucks and a pat on the back? if the latter, what kind of pat? > Generally, unlimited-copy wite-label licenses are VERY EXPENSIVE. > > 2) what is the target OS? or are you thinking of a web app? if so, what > serverside parameters? Enterprise Java grade with Oracle, or php/mysql? any > taboo bits? What version of SVG viewer do you need to support? > > 3) what sort of final user are you thinking of, and are you *selling* this or > giving it away? If you are giving it away, are you white-labeling it or > giving away a product clearly marked as someone else's? > > 4) Are you representing an enterprise or a struggling start-up? > Is the final user an enterprise, a government, or an institution? > Will profit be derived by the use of this tool? > > 5) How does the provider of this "almost free" software recover their cost and > put bread on the table? Advertising at the client side? click-through url on > the product? > > 6) Are you asking for *unlimited* distribution rights? Is that within the > intended product, and only for that particular distribution, or forever, for > any product sold by your employer? > > 7) Who gets to do client-requested upgrades? Are those done at commercial > rates? > > 8) Who pays for bug fixes? > > 9) Who is "we"? > > 10) When are you looking for this for? > > 11) What features are you looking for? "svg editor" is a very big field. are > you looking for a drawing editor for simple primitives to handle static > sprites or for a full-featured editor solution that can handle namespaces, > SMIL, scripting, etc? > > Cheers, > > Ronan > > On Monday 18 September 2006 18:58, Alastair Fettes wrote: > > Does anyone have a list of easy to use wysiwyg SVG editors? We're > > looking for a free (or *very* cheap to distribute) application that we > > can package with our software distribution. If not free, then > > something we can just pay a set fee to package rather than a per-seat > > license. > > > > Cheers, > > Alastair Fettes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- > > visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my > > membership" > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ronan Oger > Director > RO IT Systems GmbH > ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 > > http://www.roitsystems.com > - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Replace ASV with CSV
What am I missing? All this "The Sky is Falling" talk has me baffled. My understanding is that at some date in the future, Adobe will discontinue ASV ... so what? As far as I know, it was "discontinued" some time ago, I mean when did we last see an update? Will it stop working, will my PC explode if I have it installed, will I be unable to install my downloaded copy on another PC? Is it unlikely that there will ever be a replacement for ASV, or a migration path for SVG. I suspect the answer to both is "No". As I said, what have I missed? BTW "zedkineece" I mean you no personal slight, it's just that yours is the most recent post in this vein. Pax Al --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "zedkineece" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have tried every other available SVG viewer, and none of them work > on my project, nor do they provide the capabilities that ASV does > (highlighting circuit signals, high use of context menu). This news > has all but destroyed my business. [...] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
Me too. Does anyone know of a timeline before production version of Renesis is slated for release? --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jeroen Vanattenhoven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > yeah, I'm waiting for that one ... > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: > > I spose we are now in the hands of > > > > http://www.gosvg.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: Jon Ferraiolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Reply-To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com > >> To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com > >> Subject: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG > >> Viewer > >> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:30:16 -0700 > >> > >> > >> As of when??!?!?!!? > >> What happened??? > >> Leonard > >> -- > >> > >> Hi Leonard (and the other 7455 people on this list), > >> > >> I changed jobs in May, leaving Adobe to join IBM's Emerging Technologies > >> group to help with OpenAjax. I left Adobe for IBM because this OpenAjax > >> opportunity was just too attractive, even though my previous assignments at > >> Adobe were also interesting and fun. (OK. I'll come clean. The REAL reason > >> was I felt hugely embarrassed about living in Silicon Valley and not > >> changing jobs in 13 years.) Here are some URLs on OpenAjax: > >> > >> http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/19187.wss - OpenAjax > >> launched with 15 original members > >> http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/19623.wss - OpenAjax gains > >> 13 additional members > >> http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/05/22/78577_HNajaxforge_1.html - Press > >> report on first OpenAjax Alliance meeting > >> http://ajax.sys-con.com/read/233247.htm - About me taking the reins > >> > >> There will be a lot more information about OpenAjax in the coming weeks. In > >> particular, we are about to unveil our web site, a white paper, outline > >> definition of the "OpenAjax Hub" (and associated open source project), > >> announcements of new members, and have our second face-to-face meeting. > >> Very cool stuff. Maybe not as cool as SVG or next-generation PDF, but cool > >> nonetheless, and as I have mentioned in previous emails, SVG is becoming a > >> component technology of Ajax. (And I can now hang my head high again in > >> Silicon Valley due to having job-hopped recently.) > >> > >> Jon > >> > >> Jon Ferraiolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Web Architect, Emerging Technologies > >> IBM, Menlo Park, CA > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > > > > _ > > Windows Live Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! > > http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers- [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -or- > > visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Replace ASV with CSV
I have tried every other available SVG viewer, and none of them work on my project, nor do they provide the capabilities that ASV does (highlighting circuit signals, high use of context menu). This news has all but destroyed my business. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Charles McCathieNevile" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:40:48 -, Ronan Oger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > With the furore over the demise of ASV, people seem to have forgotten > > that > > there is already another SVG viewer plugin for IE: Corel SVG Viewer is > > freely downloadable. > > > > It has limitations and was stifled by Adobe, but is actually a > > well-rounded > > viewer that does everything ASV did except SMIL (like everyone else). > > Don't you mean (like firefox)? > > It is a shame, because this is a serious limitation IMHO. In particular, > it makes SVG nice to author (or even build tools for, as Ikivo does). > Animation is key to what makes SVG interesting to me. It is not the only > thing between SVG and canvas, but it's very valuable. > > ASV is there for a while yet, even according to Adobe's timetable. And > there are options with animation already, and it is coming to more. > > cheers > > Chaals > > -- >Charles McCathieNevile, Opera Software: Standards Group >hablo español - je parle français - jeg lærer norsk > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try Opera 9 now! http://opera.com > - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
