AW: [svg-developers] Re: Adobe SVG reload problem
Ronan, we have made first tests with our maps coming out from MapViewSVG on IE7 with Vista. Up to now I could not find a problem. The problems described from Adobe are not relevant for our maps. Armin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:svg- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Ronan Oger Gesendet: Montag, 12. Februar 2007 22:58 An: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: [svg-developers] Re: Adobe SVG reload problem There I go, spreading FUD. You're right, and I confirmed it on their EOL FAQ http://www.adobe.com/svg/pdfs/ASV_EOL_FAQ.pdf http://www.adobe.com/svg/pdfs/ASV_EOL_FAQ.pdf The lack of certification on Vista is interesting. Has anyone tried running SVG apps in IEx on Vista? Ronan On Monday 12 February 2007 22:37, Guy Morton wrote: ASV 3 will be *available* indefinitely. It won't be *supported* after Jan 2008. On 13/02/2007, at 5:57 AM, Ronan Oger wrote: On Monday 12 February 2007 18:42, nphasematt wrote: I upgraded my ASV to the beta 6 version, a Matt, ASV is a retiring product, and ASV6 will never be upgraded. Unless your application has a projected lifespan ending before 2009, I would shy away from ASV-only solution as from what I last heard it will be retired in 2008 and will not be available after that. You may want to ensure that your app is FF and Opera compliant. It is generally not difficult when you start early enough. Ronan -- Ronan Oger lailing list account http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roasp.com http://www.roasp.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:svg-developers- unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger lailing list account http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roasp.com http://www.roasp.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Adobe SVG reload problem
ASV 3 will be *available* indefinitely. Yes, but is it not also true that third parties will not be able to distribute it after EOL? My company is currently in the early stages of implementing a commercial solution using SVG. As the customer uses Internet Explorer we have no option other than to use the ASV plug-in. We will be releasing before the end of this year, so this will not pose a problem for us in this case. However, after 2008/9, I assume that if the customer specifies that the supported browser must be Internet Explorer, SVG is not a viable solution, unless IE 8 includes native support, or someone else picks the development and support of an IE plugin? Regards, Dylan. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Adobe SVG reload problem
I don't know. Ask Adobe perhaps. I can't think of a logical reason for Adobe to ban third parties distributing ASV if Adobe themselves is going to continue to make it available for download from their web site. Guy On 13/02/2007, at 8:30 PM, Dylan Browne wrote: ASV 3 will be *available* indefinitely. Yes, but is it not also true that third parties will not be able to distribute it after EOL? My company is currently in the early stages of implementing a commercial solution using SVG. As the customer uses Internet Explorer we have no option other than to use the ASV plug-in. We will be releasing before the end of this year, so this will not pose a problem for us in this case. However, after 2008/9, I assume that if the customer specifies that the supported browser must be Internet Explorer, SVG is not a viable solution, unless IE 8 includes native support, or someone else picks the development and support of an IE plugin? Regards, Dylan. - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Rendering strategies
Thanks for your answer Cameron. So what you're saying is that what happens on a certain screen space is what decides which elements that are re-rendered? So for example: if I have an animated bottom layer that covers the entire screen everything is re-rendered including static elements that just lie still on top? Or are some of the elements (according to some trade-off algorithm) on top saved as raster images and just pasted back into the buffer after the animated bottom layer has been re-rendered? Do I interpret your post correctly or am I way off? /Fredrik --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Cameron McCormack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Fredrik. I canât speak for other implementations, but in Batik we keep a tree of graphics objects, and whenever something in the tree changes its old and new bounding boxes (in screen space) are added into a list of dirty rectangles. Just before rendering, the rectangles are merged according to some cost function (see the mergeRects method in http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/xmlgraphics/batik/trunk/sources/org/apache/batik/ext/awt/geom/RectListManager.java). This trades off overhead of repainting separate rectangles versus the size of each rectangle (e.g. merging (10,10,20,20) and (100,100,110,110) into (10,10,110,110) will probably take longer than repainting the two separate rectangles). The two constants that tweak the cost function are specified in http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/xmlgraphics/batik/trunk/sources/org/apache/batik/bridge/RepaintManager.java (COPY_OVERHEAD and COPY_LINE_OVERHEAD). Iâm not sure how they were derived. Mind you I didnât write the rendering code, so this is just what I have gleaned from looking briefly at it. -- Cameron McCormack, http://mcc.id.au/ xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ⪠ICQ 26955922 ⪠MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
hi, i was just testing a map interface with FF2 and was disappointed while unloading a map and reloading another form the local filesystem. it took around 15sec. now FF3 (feb. 8th) does it in around 1sec and this over the web. this is faster than IE6/ASV3. mouse interactions work smooth, pages (also html) load at an amazing speed :-) give it a try with your own files, here you go: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/3.0a2/releasenotes/#download andré -- ___ andre m. winter, cartography for internet and multimedia applications schiessstand 4/1, a6091 goetzens, tyrol, austria tel.: ++43.5234.32732 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vectoreal.com/ SVG consulting and development http://www.geotrace.net/ geo-localized high quality photographs http://www.carto.at/ print and online touristic map solutions - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
On 2/13/07 8:32 AM, André M. Winter - Carto.net wrote: i was just testing a map interface with FF2 and was disappointed while unloading a map and reloading another form the local filesystem. it took around 15sec. now FF3 (feb. 8th) does it in around 1sec and this over the web. this is faster than IE6/ASV3. mouse interactions work smooth, pages (also html) load at an amazing speed :-) give it a try with your own files, here you go: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/3.0a2/releasenotes/#download Some information about the SVG capabilities in 3.0a2 are listed in the following URL. Note that a number of SVG applications will have problems due to regressions caused by some tree-wide gecko changes. The good news is that we now have a handle on these issues and have patches in hand to fix them. One thing I forgot to mention in the following is that we now have incremental loading of XML, so you'll see progressive rendering of SVG files as they load. http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/tor/archives/2007/02/gran_paradiso_alpha_2_and_svg.html -tor - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
Hi there, As an additional note, I'd like to say that I get to work every day with the latest (give or take a couple of weeks) trunk of Gecko, which is also used in Mozilla, for Joost and that the progress in SVG support and mixing with other XML grammars supported natively in Gecko has been truly amazing. Not surprised that André is already benefiting from it. Firefox 3.0 should be a significant milestone for SVG development, just like FF 1.5 and Opera 9 have been before it. Antoine -- Blog — http://the.fuchsia-design.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] brainstorming about an improved(?) SVG.org (IMHO)
read the short bit on http://svg.org/story/2007/1/31/23811/0350 and repeating the last sentence there: Just comment below if you want ideas explained, explain me why my ideas suck, or TAKE ON any of the tasks (maybe fitting in a student assignment). I'd be surprised if Antoine Graouts, the guy behind (loads of work on) svg.org , wouldn't like some help Ruud http://svg.startpagina.nl - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: brainstorming about an improved(?) SVG.org (IMHO)
I'd be surprised if Antoine Graouts It's Antoine Quint, aka graouts sorry - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
hi tor, Some information about the SVG capabilities in 3.0a2 are listed in the following URL. Note that a number of SVG applications will have problems due to regressions caused by some tree-wide gecko changes. well, i reported my experience from a user perspective. i took a file out of my actual interface development (sorry not public yet) and it worked out of the box. it's not a simple static file (html-frameset with overview map, current.scale/translate-based zoompan-controls, change of the iframe-src of the main map, re-population of the overview (DOM manips) and DOM-interaction with the HTML around. and it is ASV3-compliant. if such a beast works with no problems in FF3, this is near from water proof for me. One thing I forgot to mention in the following is that we now have incremental loading of XML, so you'll see progressive rendering of SVG files as they load. didn't notice that yet in practice. but the last years we learned to build small small and smaller files, that may be the reason... -- ___ andre m. winter, cartography for internet and multimedia applications schiessstand 4/1, a6091 goetzens, tyrol, austria tel.: ++43.5234.32732 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vectoreal.com/ SVG consulting and development http://www.geotrace.net/ geo-localized high quality photographs http://www.carto.at/ print and online touristic map solutions - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Importing SVG using XMLHttpRequest
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Martin Honnen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Importing SVG using XMLHttpRequest uses client-side JavaScript and does not depend on or rely on PHP at all so it is not clear what you are asking about. Thanks for the response Martin. I'll try to explain more clearly. I enjoy playing around with SVG (as opposed to doing crossword puzzels or Sodoku) while waiting for this technology to become useful by being incorporated into propriatary software. One of the promises of SVG was to be able to load just one item into an existing layout without the page refreshing. Since Opera is working well with what I have now (except for that nasty filter bug) I thought I'd ask if anyone has accomplished this need. I am not a programmer, nor do I hope to be. I do however enjoy seeing working examples and source code so I can bang my head against the wall and try to figure out what is going on. So again, if anyone can point me towards an example of loading an image or document into a static SVG file (say with an onclick) It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again; James http://deerring.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
In a FF test I've created, a mouseover of Canada 364 Kb, it has improved from 6 seconds to 2 seconds. 2 Seconds is still much too slow compared to the Adobe viewer, but it is an improvement. I submitted this as a bug some time ago. For my purposes, it still falls short, and given the snail's pace anything svg is moving, I see flash in my future. I keep my fingers crossed, but my optimism wanes with each passing day. Sean André M. Winter - Carto.net wrote: hi tor, Some information about the SVG capabilities in 3.0a2 are listed in the following URL. Note that a number of SVG applications will have problems due to regressions caused by some tree-wide gecko changes. well, i reported my experience from a user perspective. i took a file out of my actual interface development (sorry not public yet) and it worked out of the box. it's not a simple static file (html-frameset with overview map, current.scale/translate-based zoompan-controls, change of the iframe-src of the main map, re-population of the overview (DOM manips) and DOM-interaction with the HTML around. and it is ASV3-compliant. if such a beast works with no problems in FF3, this is near from water proof for me. One thing I forgot to mention in the following is that we now have incremental loading of XML, so you'll see progressive rendering of SVG files as they load. didn't notice that yet in practice. but the last years we learned to build small small and smaller files, that may be the reason... -- __ andre m. winter, cartography for internet and multimedia applications schiessstand 4/1, a6091 goetzens, tyrol, austria tel.: ++43.5234.32732 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:winter%40carto.net http://www.vectoreal.com/ http://www.vectoreal.com/ SVG consulting and development http://www.geotrace.net/ http://www.geotrace.net/ geo-localized high quality photographs http://www.carto.at/ http://www.carto.at/ print and online touristic map solutions - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
I wish I could report the same happy news. Unfortunately, GranParadiso (on MacOSX at least) fails to render *anything* for me. It even seems buggy in doing normalish browser things like resizing framesets (the toolbar has half disappeared under the window title in my testing). Have a look at http://bct2.webtrak-lochard.com/ and see. It's not generating anything in the error logs that gives any indication of what it might be taking exception to either. I hope that whatever is wrong can be ironed out, as having a fast FF implementation would be a real shot in the arm for SVG, whereas a buggy implementation would just about be the kiss of death for SVG as far as this project is concerned. Guy On 14/02/2007, at 1:32 AM, André M. Winter - Carto.net wrote: hi, i was just testing a map interface with FF2 and was disappointed while unloading a map and reloading another form the local filesystem. it took around 15sec. now FF3 (feb. 8th) does it in around 1sec and this over the web. this is faster than IE6/ASV3. mouse interactions work smooth, pages (also html) load at an amazing speed :-) give it a try with your own files, here you go: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/3.0a2/releasenotes/#download andré -- ___ andre m. winter, cartography for internet and multimedia applications schiessstand 4/1, a6091 goetzens, tyrol, austria tel.: ++43.5234.32732 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vectoreal.com/ SVG consulting and development http://www.geotrace.net/ geo-localized high quality photographs http://www.carto.at/ print and online touristic map solutions - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
On 2/13/07 2:24 PM, TheMountainScene wrote: In a FF test I've created, a mouseover of Canada 364 Kb, it has improved from 6 seconds to 2 seconds. 2 Seconds is still much too slow compared to the Adobe viewer, but it is an improvement. I submitted this as a bug some time ago. For my purposes, it still falls short, and given the snail's pace anything svg is moving, I see flash in my future. I keep my fingers crossed, but my optimism wanes with each passing day. Assuming you're talking about the Canada map in bug 319990, the version you have online right now has a JS error. Correcting that, removing the alert, and moving in/out right near the border (which defeats our early-reject hit detection), the major hotspots in the profile all appear inside the cairo 2D graphics library: 57.20% checking if a point is inside the path 99.7% of this time is spent tesselating the path to trapezoids 14.83% painting paths 99% of this time is spent tesselating the path to trapezoids 14.51% getting screen path extent 99.9% of this time is spend tesselating the path to trapezoids The reason this appears in the profile is because the style change information Gecko gives us is a general things changed rather than detail which would let us realize that only the fill changed and the extent didn't need to be recalculated. It seems that if cairo improved their point-in-path functionality using one of the techniques that doesn't need a whole trapezoid list, things would be a fair bit faster. Changing the style system to give detailed information is a larger scope item, though maybe something gecko would want to do as it could help other sorts of content. It does seem as though this map is a bit of a torture case for cairo's tesselator - I've passed on the URL to the cairo developers. -tor - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
Aha...well that's the problem for me. I resized the window and it appeared. Good to know you know what is causing it. And I'll add my Wow to Andre's...FF used to use 70% of my CPU playing this file. Now it's using about 7%. There are some screen redrawing issues though still, which you'll see if you look at the link I sent (the planes are leaving translucent colour over the map). Guy On 14/02/2007, at 2:24 AM, T Rowley wrote: On 2/13/07 8:32 AM, André M. Winter - Carto.net wrote: i was just testing a map interface with FF2 and was disappointed while unloading a map and reloading another form the local filesystem. it took around 15sec. now FF3 (feb. 8th) does it in around 1sec and this over the web. this is faster than IE6/ASV3. mouse interactions work smooth, pages (also html) load at an amazing speed :-) give it a try with your own files, here you go: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/3.0a2/releasenotes/#download Some information about the SVG capabilities in 3.0a2 are listed in the following URL. Note that a number of SVG applications will have problems due to regressions caused by some tree-wide gecko changes. The good news is that we now have a handle on these issues and have patches in hand to fix them. One thing I forgot to mention in the following is that we now have incremental loading of XML, so you'll see progressive rendering of SVG files as they load. http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/tor/archives/2007/02/ gran_paradiso_alpha_2_and_svg.html -tor - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
On 2/13/07 3:37 PM, T Rowley wrote: Changing the style system to give detailed information is a larger scope item, though maybe something gecko would want to do as it could help other sorts of content. Correction - gecko does have a mechanism for splitting style information into repaint/reflow, SVG just isn't using it yet. The fun of depreciated APIs floating around... -tor - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
On 2/13/07 2:58 PM, Guy Morton wrote: I wish I could report the same happy news. Unfortunately, GranParadiso (on MacOSX at least) fails to render *anything* for me. It even seems buggy in doing normalish browser things like resizing framesets (the toolbar has half disappeared under the window title in my testing). Have a look at http://bct2.webtrak-lochard.com/ and see. It's not generating anything in the error logs that gives any indication of what it might be taking exception to either. This appears to be one of the SVG applications having a regression of the onload behavior. It is fixed in my local tree which contains the patch from bug 370210. -tor - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
On 2/13/07 3:41 PM, Guy Morton wrote: Aha...well that's the problem for me. I resized the window and it appeared. Good to know you know what is causing it. And I'll add my Wow to Andre's...FF used to use 70% of my CPU playing this file. Now it's using about 7%. In your case, this is probably largely due to the background image you're using and changes in how we implement svg:image internally. There are some screen redrawing issues though still, which you'll see if you look at the link I sent (the planes are leaving translucent colour over the map). I don't see redraw problems on linux here. If you could send me a screenshot I can look into the problem a bit. -tor - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
It was fine until two days ago when I played with it a bit. I'll put the old one back up. Thanks! T Rowley wrote: On 2/13/07 2:24 PM, TheMountainScene wrote: In a FF test I've created, a mouseover of Canada 364 Kb, it has improved from 6 seconds to 2 seconds. 2 Seconds is still much too slow compared to the Adobe viewer, but it is an improvement. I submitted this as a bug some time ago. For my purposes, it still falls short, and given the snail's pace anything svg is moving, I see flash in my future. I keep my fingers crossed, but my optimism wanes with each passing day. Assuming you're talking about the Canada map in bug 319990, the version you have online right now has a JS error. Correcting that, removing the alert, and moving in/out right near the border (which defeats our early-reject hit detection), the major hotspots in the profile all appear inside the cairo 2D graphics library: 57.20% checking if a point is inside the path 99.7% of this time is spent tesselating the path to trapezoids 14.83% painting paths 99% of this time is spent tesselating the path to trapezoids 14.51% getting screen path extent 99.9% of this time is spend tesselating the path to trapezoids The reason this appears in the profile is because the style change information Gecko gives us is a general things changed rather than detail which would let us realize that only the fill changed and the extent didn't need to be recalculated. It seems that if cairo improved their point-in-path functionality using one of the techniques that doesn't need a whole trapezoid list, things would be a fair bit faster. Changing the style system to give detailed information is a larger scope item, though maybe something gecko would want to do as it could help other sorts of content. It does seem as though this map is a bit of a torture case for cairo's tesselator - I've passed on the URL to the cairo developers. -tor - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
The original is back up. Online, the version is still much faster, 2 vs 7 or 8 seconds. If it can get to Adobe performance, I'd be happy as a clam. T Rowley wrote: On 2/13/07 2:24 PM, TheMountainScene wrote: In a FF test I've created, a mouseover of Canada 364 Kb, it has improved from 6 seconds to 2 seconds. 2 Seconds is still much too slow compared to the Adobe viewer, but it is an improvement. I submitted this as a bug some time ago. For my purposes, it still falls short, and given the snail's pace anything svg is moving, I see flash in my future. I keep my fingers crossed, but my optimism wanes with each passing day. Assuming you're talking about the Canada map in bug 319990, the version you have online right now has a JS error. Correcting that, removing the alert, and moving in/out right near the border (which defeats our early-reject hit detection), the major hotspots in the profile all appear inside the cairo 2D graphics library: 57.20% checking if a point is inside the path 99.7% of this time is spent tesselating the path to trapezoids 14.83% painting paths 99% of this time is spent tesselating the path to trapezoids 14.51% getting screen path extent 99.9% of this time is spend tesselating the path to trapezoids The reason this appears in the profile is because the style change information Gecko gives us is a general things changed rather than detail which would let us realize that only the fill changed and the extent didn't need to be recalculated. It seems that if cairo improved their point-in-path functionality using one of the techniques that doesn't need a whole trapezoid list, things would be a fair bit faster. Changing the style system to give detailed information is a larger scope item, though maybe something gecko would want to do as it could help other sorts of content. It does seem as though this map is a bit of a torture case for cairo's tesselator - I've passed on the URL to the cairo developers. -tor - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] audio in svg
Hi! I wonder if there is anny audio support within svg, its possible to analyse the sound? making a graph of a sound wave? making a equalizer, volume control? i could not find examples about this ... cant it be done? Thank you :) Rui Ramalho - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] audio in svg
* rui.ramalho wrote: I wonder if there is anny audio support within svg, its possible to analyse the sound? making a graph of a sound wave? making a equalizer, volume control? No, the closest you could get is decoding the audio data using script, analyze it as you see fit, and then, if you are lucky and the viewer you are using supports some form of audio, either let it play back the data, or re-encode the data and let it play back that instead. Theoretically you could do that in chunks, but most likely implementations will be too poor to do that. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Weinh. Str. 22 · Telefon: +49(0)621/4309674 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 68309 Mannheim · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/