RE: [svg-developers] Re: Wait message

2006-02-23 Thread julie gautier
Thanks for your response but it doesn't work neither. I have exactly the same 
behaviour.
  Do you have another suggestion ?

Martin Honnen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :
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wrote:

> I have a svg fille with script and one of my functions take a lot of 
> time (calculation and re-display). So I would like to display 
> a "wait message" on the svg document. I tried : 
> 
> wait.setAttribute("visibility","visible");
> my_function_that_take_time();
> wait.setAttribute("visibility","hidden");

Try
  wait.setAttribute("visibility","visible");
  setTimeout(
'my_function_that_take_time();wait.setAttribute("visibility","hidden");',
1);
sometimes the problem is that DOM changes a script does are buffered
and only rendered when the script execution is finished. With that
setTimeout use you might get the visible change rendered first and
then your function is called.








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RE: [svg-developers] Re: Wait message

2006-02-23 Thread julie gautier
Thanks. Could you please tell me how to use those function, in particular how, 
with javascript, to acceed the SVGSVGElement ?

Jeff Schiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :
  I wonder if you could use suspendRedraw() and unsuspendRedrawAll() to
un-cache the updates?  See
http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/struct.html#InterfaceSVGSVGElement

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> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "jgfa92004" 
> wrote:
> 
> > I have a svg fille with script and one of my functions take a lot of 
> > time (calculation and re-display). So I would like to display 
> > a "wait message" on the svg document. I tried : 
> > 
> > wait.setAttribute("visibility","visible");
> > my_function_that_take_time();
> > wait.setAttribute("visibility","hidden");
> 
> Try
>   wait.setAttribute("visibility","visible");
>   setTimeout(
>
'my_function_that_take_time();wait.setAttribute("visibility","hidden");',
> 1);
> sometimes the problem is that DOM changes a script does are buffered
> and only rendered when the script execution is finished. With that
> setTimeout use you might get the visible change rendered first and
> then your function is called.
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RE: [svg-developers] Re: Wait message

2006-02-24 Thread julie gautier
Hi,
  I tried : 
  document.documentElement.suspendRedraw(1) and 
document.documentElement.unsuspendRedrawAll() but it doesn't work : I have a 
javascript error message saying that it doesn't recognize the method...
  Help !

Jeff Schiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :
  I wonder if you could use suspendRedraw() and unsuspendRedrawAll() to
un-cache the updates?  See
http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/struct.html#InterfaceSVGSVGElement

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>
> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "jgfa92004" 
> wrote:
> 
> > I have a svg fille with script and one of my functions take a lot of 
> > time (calculation and re-display). So I would like to display 
> > a "wait message" on the svg document. I tried : 
> > 
> > wait.setAttribute("visibility","visible");
> > my_function_that_take_time();
> > wait.setAttribute("visibility","hidden");
> 
> Try
>   wait.setAttribute("visibility","visible");
>   setTimeout(
>
'my_function_that_take_time();wait.setAttribute("visibility","hidden");',
> 1);
> sometimes the problem is that DOM changes a script does are buffered
> and only rendered when the script execution is finished. With that
> setTimeout use you might get the visible change rendered first and
> then your function is called.
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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Wait message

2006-02-24 Thread julie gautier
It works fine. Thanks !

Holger Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :  julie gautier schrieb:

> Hi,
>   I tried :
>   document.documentElement.suspendRedraw(1) and 
> document.documentElement.unsuspendRedrawAll() but it doesn't work : I 
> have a javascript error message saying that it doesn't recognize the 
> method...
>   Help !


Hi Julie

here is a method ive just tested, that works in ASV , Firefox and Opera 9a.
its similar to the method Martin Honnen has suggested.
try this:

http://www.w3.org/2000/svg";
xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"; viewBox="0 0 1024 768" >
<![CDATA[
function show(){
   document.getElementById("re").setAttributeNS(null,"display","inline")
   setTimeout("calc()",100)
}

function calc(){

   for(var i=0;i<100;i++){
 m=Math.sqrt(50)
   }
  
   document.getElementById("re").setAttributeNS(null,"display","none")
}
]]>

  
  



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RE : Re: [svg-developers] Display the same element several times

2006-08-06 Thread julie gautier
Thanks for the reply. It did worked by creating multiple instances of the 
element to display(with cloneNode).

Misha Kapushesky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :  Hello,

> function displayMultiple(){
> while (i < 3) {
> x = i*10;
> y = i*10;
> i++;
> display('inline');
> document.getElementById("cross").setAttributeNS
> (null,"transform","translate("+x+" "+y+")");
> setTimeout("display('none')",1000);
> }
> }

This quickly moves ('translate') the same element three times, and
sets three timers. So, at the end you're seeing this element where it
was moved to last and then it gets "display('none')"-ed three times in
a row.

To display the element three times you need to have three instances of
it being rendered. Either use three elements, or consider looking into
the "use" element in SVG
(http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/struct.html#UseElement). From the SVG spec:

"Any 'svg', 'symbol', 'g', graphics element or other 'use' is
potentially a template object that can be re-used (i.e., "instanced")
in the SVG document via a 'use' element. The 'use' element references
another element and indicates that the graphical contents of that
element is included/drawn at that given point in the document."

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RE : [svg-developers] Re: Zoom with selection rectangle

2007-01-01 Thread julie gautier
That's exactly what I was looking for. Thanks a lot Michel.
  And happy new year 2007 !
  Julie

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Look at
http://pilat.free.fr/tutorial2_eng/zoom.svg

Try in samples "Zoom on rectangle"

Michel

> Hi all,
> Does anyone have an example of svg file with a selection rectangle to 
> zoom in ?
> Thanks a lot.
> Happy new year everybody.
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RE : Re: [svg-developers] Script error in svg with IE7

2007-01-21 Thread julie gautier
Hi,
  Thanks for the reply.
  It doesn't work, neither from a server nor locally.
  And if I remove the  and  tags, it doesn't work, even locally.
  It seems to be related to te IE7 Internet paremeters. Does anyone know what 
to do ??
  Thanks.
  Julie
  

ddailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :
  Hi Julie,

>The following svg code works with IE6 and not with IE7

It (sans the  and  tags) works fine for me from localhost in 
IE7(with ASV3.03), Opera and Firefox.

If it is working from your local machine for you but not from a server, then I 
suspect it may be related to some other troubles people are seeing with IE7 
(see the threads "target in IE 7" and "view source in IE 7" in this forum 
within the past month). At least the problem sounds similar to me.

If it's not working even locally for you, then try erasing your  and 
 tags.

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Re : [svg-developers] IE7 to FireFox

2007-10-10 Thread julie gautier
Thanks for the answer but I was thinking of a document that would explain more 
specifically how to make the dom access javascript functions compliant with all 
types of navigators.
For instance, to use "obj.firstChild" instead of "obj.getFirstChild()".
I know I've already seen this kind of document on the web but I can't find it 
again.
Thanks again.
Julie


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Objet : Re: [svg-developers] IE7 to FireFox

Hi Julie,

A common problem in IEx -> FFy is ecascript naming issues. Take a look at the 
ecmascript specification.

http://www.ecma- international. org/publications /standards/ Ecma-262. htm

Also, take a look at your javascript error console in FF to identify your 
scripting bugs quickly (well, one at a time)

Ronan

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> I have svg files that can be opened only with IE7. Is there a document
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Re : [svg-developers] Re: "SaveSvgAs" problem

2008-11-25 Thread julie gautier
Hi,
Thanks for the hints.
Considering "splitting one single huge files to several which are seen in turns 
and/or background
downloaded", do you have example of such files ?
Thanks.





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Objet : [svg-developers] Re: "SaveSvgAs" problem


> have some troubles saving them : when I use the "Save as" button 
> displayed by Windows when the file is generated, it takes about 3 
> minutes to save the file (15 MB). When I "open" the svg file then try 
> to save it by using the right click menu (Save SVG As...), it take more 
> than 4 hours !!
> Does anyone have an idea ?

By "Windows" I assume you are referring to "Adobe SVG Viewer".

Performance is always an issue and, with such huge sizes, you may have
to consider changing your application architecture (splitting one
single huge files to several which are seen in turns and/or background
downloaded, etc.).

Nevertheless, you may try few minimization tips available [1]. ;-)

Hope this helps,

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[1] http://www.w3. org/TR/SVG/ minimize. html

 


  

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Re : [svg-developers] onmousedown() and onclick() at the same time

2008-12-03 Thread julie gautier
Yes, thanks a lot, it will help but is this the only way to achieve this ? So 
it's not possible at all to fire those 2 events at the same time ?




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Objet : RE: [svg-developers] onmousedown() and onclick() at the same time


Take a look at the following; it lets different events on parts of the group be 
registered and responded to.

Hope it helps

David

http://www.w3. org/2000/ svg" width="100%"

xmlns:xlink= "http://www.w3.. org/1999/ xlink" 

> 

http://www..w3. org/2000/ svg"

xlink="http://www.w3. org/1999/ xlink" 

function all(evt){

if (evt.type==" click") alert(evt.target. nodeName)

else evt.currentTarget. firstChild. nextSibling. setAttributeNS( null,"fill" 
,"red")

}

//]]>













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Subject: [svg-developers] onmousedown( ) and onclick() at the same time

Hi,

I have the following svg code : 






My problème is that the onclick event is never called, apparently 
because of the onmousedown and onmouseup events called in the first g.
What should I do to be able to call another function when a circle is 
clicked ?
Thanks a lot.

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Re : [svg-developers] onmousedown() and onclick() at the same time

2008-12-03 Thread julie gautier
Hi,
There's something I really don't understant, if somebody could help me : in the 
javascript code David sent, if I add an alert in the 'all' function : 

if (evt.type=="click"){
 alert(evt.target.nodeName);
}
else{
 alert(evt.type);
 evt.currentTarget.firstChild.nextSibling.setAttributeNS(null,"fill" ,"red")
}

then I have the following alerts : 'mousedown', 'mouseup' and the circle turns 
red.
If I comment the "alert(evt.type)", I have the alert : 'circle' and the circle 
turns red.
Could someone explain to me why this only line makes the "click" not fired 
anymore ??
Thanks in advance.




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Objet : RE: [svg-developers] onmousedown() and onclick() at the same time


Take a look at the following; it lets different events on parts of the group be 
registered and responded to.

Hope it helps

David

http://www.w3. org/2000/ svg" width="100%"

xmlns:xlink= "http://www.w3. org/1999/ xlink" 

> 

http://www.w3. org/2000/ svg"

xlink="http://www.w3. org/1999/ xlink" 

function all(evt){

if (evt.type==" click") alert(evt.target. nodeName)

else evt.currentTarget. firstChild. nextSibling. setAttributeNS( null,"fill" 
,"red")

}

//]]>













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Subject: [svg-developers] onmousedown( ) and onclick() at the same time

Hi,

I have the following svg code : 






My problème is that the onclick event is never called, apparently 
because of the onmousedown and onmouseup events called in the first g.
What should I do to be able to call another function when a circle is 
clicked ?
Thanks a lot.

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Re : [svg-developers] onmousedown() and onclick() at the same time

2008-12-04 Thread julie gautier
Ok, I get it. Thanks for you response.





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Objet : Re: [svg-developers] onmousedown() and onclick() at the same time


Hi Julie,

I think what is happening when you put an alert in the middle of it all is this:

first the onmousedown is received, evt.type is then "mousedown"
next an alert fires
then to get rid of the alert the user has to move the mouse off of the group 
(which received the mousedown)
so the click (which actually consists of a mousedown followed by a mouseup -- 
without any intervening mouseout event, I believe), is never actually received 
by the group.

David 
- Original Message ----- 
From: julie gautier 
To: svg-developers@ yahoogroups. com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:23 PM
Subject: Re : [svg-developers] onmousedown( ) and onclick() at the same time

Hi,
There's something I really don't understant, if somebody could help me : in the 
javascript code David sent, if I add an alert in the 'all' function : 

if (evt.type==" click"){
alert(evt.target. nodeName) ;
}
else{
alert(evt.type) ;
evt.currentTarget. firstChild. nextSibling. setAttributeNS( null,"fill" ,"red")
}

then I have the following alerts : 'mousedown', 'mouseup' and the circle turns 
red.
If I comment the "alert(evt.type) ", I have the alert : 'circle' and the circle 
turns red.
Could someone explain to me why this only line makes the "click" not fired 
anymore ??
Thanks in advance.

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De : "Dailey, David P." 
À : svg-developers@ yahoogroups. com
Envoyé le : Mercredi, 3 Décembre 2008, 18h29mn 48s
Objet : RE: [svg-developers] onmousedown( ) and onclick() at the same time

Take a look at the following; it lets different events on parts of the group be 
registered and responded to.

Hope it helps

David

http://www.w3. org/2000/ svg" width="100%"

xmlns:xlink= "http://www.w3. org/1999/ xlink" 

> 

<![CDATA[

xmlns="<a  rel="nofollow" href="http://www.w3">http://www.w3</a>. org/2000/ svg"

xlink="<a  rel="nofollow" href="http://www.w3">http://www.w3</a>. org/1999/ xlink" 

function all(evt){

if (evt.type==" click") alert(evt.target. nodeName)

else evt.currentTarget. firstChild. nextSibling. setAttributeNS( null,"fill" 
,"red")

}

//]]>













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Subject: [svg-developers] onmousedown( ) and onclick() at the same time

Hi,

I have the following svg code : 






My problème is that the onclick event is never called, apparently 
because of the onmousedown and onmouseup events called in the first g.
What should I do to be able to call another function when a circle is 
clicked ?
Thanks a lot.

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Re : [svg-developers] Re: onmousedown() and onclick() at the same time

2008-12-04 Thread julie gautier
Thanks a lot !





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Objet : [svg-developers] Re: onmousedown() and onclick() at the same time


Hi Julie,

In your mousedown code you initialize the position and size of the 
'zone' rectangle and place it under the mouse. When the mouseup comes 
along, zone is the target and the circle never gets a click event.

In the 'zone' rect, put pointer-events= "none"



I haven't checked your previous posts closely, but maybe this was 
thwarting your earlier attempts at getting the click event.

Curiously, using ASV3, the first click always fires a mousemove. Any 
clicks after that did not. To get around this, I changed your mousemove 
code to check that the mouse had actually moved (also avoids zooming to 
zero width/height selections).

else if (evt.type == "mousemove") { 
if (click) { 
xsvg2 = getTrueCoordX( evt.clientX) ;
ysvg2 = getTrueCoordY( evt.clientY) ;
w = Math.abs(xsvg2- xsvg);
h = Math.abs(ysvg2- ysvg);
zoom = (w > 0) && (h > 0);
node.setAttributeNS (null,'x' ,Math.min( xsvg,xsvg2) .toString( ));
node.setAttributeNS (null,'y' ,Math.min( ysvg,ysvg2) .toString( ));
node.setAttributeNS (null,'width' ,w.toString( ));
node.setAttributeNS (null,'height' ,h.toString( ));
} 
}

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Re : [svg-developers] Stroke width inside the shape

2008-12-11 Thread julie gautier
That's exactly what I'm trying to do (a map with adjacent regions)...
Thanks for the hint, I'm going to look at the .
Julie





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Objet : Re: [svg-developers] Stroke width inside the shape


The only way that I can think of would be to create an identical object that 
would be centered at the same locus, but a wee bit bigger (like scaled by 
1+strokewidth/ object'sDiameter ) and have this object filled with none. That 
object could then be used to mask the original object keeping the original's 
stroke inside the intended perimeter. One could write a script to do that, but 
if the regions contained concavities, then this wouldn't work so well.

It strikes me that the use case for what you're talking about would include 
when someone wants to draw a map of adjacent regions, and wants the stroke to 
have differing colors, but does not want the strokes to bleed out or overlap 
one another. That is, it seems like the situation you're describing might occur 
fairly often, but I can't see an easy way to do it currently. The  
may be just the idea, since it is intended to allow the concept of adjacency of 
regions to be formalized at the level of SVG, but it's only an idea at present. 
Maybe someone else has another idea?

cheers
David

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Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:27 PM
Subject: [svg-developers] Stroke width inside the shape

Hi,
Is there a way to set the stroke width of a polyline inside the shape 
instead of half inside and half outside ?
Thanks.
Julie

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Re : [svg-developers] Re: Stroke width inside the shape

2008-12-13 Thread julie gautier
Thanks !





De : Frank Bruder 
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Envoyé le : Samedi, 13 Décembre 2008, 4h32mn 32s
Objet : [svg-developers] Re: Stroke width inside the shape


You could do this with a clip path.
Sample code snippet:








The stroke is drawn centered around the outline, but the outer part is
clipped by using the same shape as a clip path.

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Re : [svg-developers] Re: Firefox2 vs Firefox3 (code)

2008-12-16 Thread julie gautier
Hi all,
Thanks for your responses.
I tried to find out what's going on and it seems that the problem comes from 
the call of the javascript function "inverser" from the "use" element ( doesn't work neither). If I call the function by 
clicking on the circles () it works !
Does someone have an idea ?
Thanks again for your help.
Julie




De : Doug Schepers 
À : svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Envoyé le : Mardi, 16 Décembre 2008, 21h36mn 28s
Objet : Re: [svg-developers] Re: Firefox2 vs Firefox3 (code)


Hi, Samy-

Samuel Dagan wrote (on 12/16/08 3:27 PM):
> 
> Just by a superficial look on your code, you better change: 
> fill = symbole.getAttribut e("fill") ;
> with : 
> fill = symbole.getAttribut eNS(null, "fill");
> (Look at http://jwatt. org/svg/authorin g/ )
> 
> Hope that this will do the job.

Having been guilty of propagating this myth myself, I have to state that
this is not at all important, and is not the cause of any error. If you
aren't using namespaces (like XLink), you don't need to use
getAttributeNS. .. getAttribute works just as well with the null
namespace, so the code is correct as it stands.

Julie, I would recommend that you strip down the code to a minimal test
case that demonstrates exactly what the error is. You can you the
Firefox error console, or a debugging extension, to figure out where
that is.

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Re : Re : [svg-developers] Re: Firefox2 vs Firefox3 (code)

2008-12-17 Thread julie gautier
Hi again,
I found out what the problem was : the  that surrounded the 
checkbox : I used this workaround to have a hand cursor, including with IE7. In 
FF3, the xlink:href just reloads the page.
Does anyone know how to display the hand cursor (in FF3 and IE7) without using 
the  tag ?
Thanks.
Julie





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Envoyé le : Mercredi, 17 Décembre 2008, 8h49mn 27s
Objet : Re : [svg-developers] Re: Firefox2 vs Firefox3 (code)


Hi all,
Thanks for your responses.
I tried to find out what's going on and it seems that the problem comes from 
the call of the javascript function "inverser" from the "use" element ( doesn't work neither). If I call the function by 
clicking on the circles () it works !
Does someone have an idea ?
Thanks again for your help.
Julie

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De : Doug Schepers 
À : svg-developers@ yahoogroups. com
Envoyé le : Mardi, 16 Décembre 2008, 21h36mn 28s
Objet : Re: [svg-developers] Re: Firefox2 vs Firefox3 (code)

Hi, Samy-

Samuel Dagan wrote (on 12/16/08 3:27 PM):
> 
> Just by a superficial look on your code, you better change: 
> fill = symbole.getAttribut e("fill") ;
> with : 
> fill = symbole.getAttribut eNS(null, "fill");
> (Look at http://jwatt. org/svg/authorin g/ )
> 
> Hope that this will do the job.

Having been guilty of propagating this myth myself, I have to state that
this is not at all important, and is not the cause of any error. If you
aren't using namespaces (like XLink), you don't need to use
getAttributeNS. .. getAttribute works just as well with the null
namespace, so the code is correct as it stands.

Julie, I would recommend that you strip down the code to a minimal test
case that demonstrates exactly what the error is. You can you the
Firefox error console, or a debugging extension, to figure out where
that is.

Regards-
-Doug


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Re : Re : Re : [svg-developers] Re: Firefox2 vs Firefox3 (code)

2008-12-19 Thread julie gautier
Thanks. I will try it.





De : Frank Bruder 
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Envoyé le : Vendredi, 19 Décembre 2008, 8h35mn 28s
Objet : Re : Re : [svg-developers] Re: Firefox2 vs Firefox3 (code)


I didn't see this was solved already when I wrote my last message,
because this is spread out over four different threads now. Apparently
the list doesn't recognize a message belongs to the same topic if the
'Re:' comes before '[svg-developers] ' in the subject line. However.

Instead of using the cursor property, which doesn't work in ASV3, you
could call

evt.preventDefault( );

in your event handler. This should keep the link from being opened. I
don't know for sure if this is supported in ASV3 though.

Regards
Frank

--- In svg-developers@ yahoogroups. com, julie gautier
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>
> Hi again,
> I found out what the problem was : the  that
surrounded the checkbox : I used this workaround to have a hand
cursor, including with IE7. In FF3, the xlink:href just reloads the page.
> Does anyone know how to display the hand cursor (in FF3 and IE7)
without using the  tag ?
> Thanks.
> Julie
> 
> 
> 

 


  

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Re : Re : Re : [svg-developers] Re: Firefox2 vs Firefox3 (code)

2008-12-23 Thread julie gautier
Using "xlink:href='javascript:evt.preventDefault( );'"  (I hope this is 
the good way to do it) works both in ASV3 and FF3 (the action is executed and I 
have the hand cursor)... but with a javascript error in ASV3 : "'evt' a la 
valeur Null ou n'est pas un objet" which means "'evt' is Null or not an 
object". 
Any idea to avoid this error ?
Thanks.
Julie




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Objet : Re : Re : [svg-developers] Re: Firefox2 vs Firefox3 (code)


I didn't see this was solved already when I wrote my last message,
because this is spread out over four different threads now. Apparently
the list doesn't recognize a message belongs to the same topic if the
'Re:' comes before '[svg-developers] ' in the subject line. However.

Instead of using the cursor property, which doesn't work in ASV3, you
could call

evt.preventDefault( );

in your event handler. This should keep the link from being opened. I
don't know for sure if this is supported in ASV3 though.

Regards
Frank

--- In svg-developers@ yahoogroups. com, julie gautier
 wrote:
>
> Hi again,
> I found out what the problem was : the  that
surrounded the checkbox : I used this workaround to have a hand
cursor, including with IE7. In FF3, the xlink:href just reloads the page.
> Does anyone know how to display the hand cursor (in FF3 and IE7)
without using the  tag ?
> Thanks.
> Julie
> 
> 
> 

 


  

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Re : Re : Re : Re : [svg-developers] Re: Firefox2 vs Firefox3 (code)

2008-12-23 Thread julie gautier
Hi,
Thanks for the suggestion but it doesn't work : with FF3, I have an xml parse 
error (on the "&&") and a javascript error in IE7 (ASV3) : "incorrect form" at 
the same place.
It finally works in both FF3 and ASV3 with the following : "if (window.Event) 
evt.preventDefault();"
Julie





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Envoyé le : Mardi, 23 Décembre 2008, 10h54mn 59s
Objet : Re : Re : Re : [svg-developers] Re: Firefox2 vs Firefox3 (code)


--- In svg-developers@ yahoogroups. com, julie gautier
 wrote:
>
> Using "xlink:href= 'javascript: evt.preventDefau lt( );'"  (I hope
this is the good way to do it) works both in ASV3 and FF3 (the action
is executed and I have the hand cursor)... but with a javascript error
in ASV3 : "'evt' a la valeur Null ou n'est pas un objet" which means
"'evt' is Null or not an object". 
> Any idea to avoid this error ?

how about

if (evt && evt.preventDefault) evt.preventDefault( );

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Re : Re : Re : [svg-developers] Re: Firefox2 vs Firefox3 (code)

2008-12-25 Thread julie gautier
As you say, it works like a charm ! Thanks a lot.
Julie





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Envoyé le : Mercredi, 24 Décembre 2008, 10h36mn 33s
Objet : Re : Re : [svg-developers] Re: Firefox2 vs Firefox3 (code)


Hi Julie,
Sorry for the delay, but the use of the same "subject" for different
subjects is misleading.
I have the solution for the cursor. Look on the message number 60714.
Good luck!

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> Does anyone know how to display the hand cursor (in FF3 and IE7)
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> Thanks.
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Re: [svg-developers] Insert a script section in a java generated svg document

2005-10-05 Thread julie gautier
I'm going to try. Thanks a lot.

Thomas DeWeese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :Hi Julie,

jgfa92004 wrote:

> I use Batik to generate a svg document. But I also want to insert a 
> script section (to insert my own javascript functions) : how can I do 
> this ? 

   Instead of having the SVGGraphics2D stream the document, you can
call 'getRoot' to get the Root SVG element.  Append your script
element (using the W3C DOM 2 Core calls).  Then stream the resultant
document out using the svggen.XMLWriter.

   It's important to remember that calling getRoot 'clears' the
SVGGraphics2D so if you try and stream it you will get nothing
unless you have drawn new stuff since the last call to getRoot.


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RE: [svg-developers] Re: Performance question

2005-10-06 Thread julie gautier
Thanks for your quick answer.
 
In my svg file, I have first a javascript section that contains an array that 
have the same nb of lines (36000)
Then here is a part of my svg file section where circles are drawn :
 

















...





I use the Adobe SVG viewer on IE6, on Windows XP, 2.6 GHz and 1Go RAM.

And I do need to display those 36000 circles : the eye can't see them 
individually but can have a global view which I don't want to reduce...
Thanks again for your help
 
Julie

Andreas Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :
Hi Julie,

can you post an example to see how you structured the file? Also which
SVG viewer did you try? Also on which OS did you try, with how much
memory and CPU power available?

But it might well be that 36000 circles are too much for the current
SVG viewers.

The currently existing viewers (ASV, Batik, MozillaSVG) are not
capable of handling huge amounts of data. Although most of them work
on improving the performance.

Renesis (the upcoming SVG viewer to be released later this year or
beginning of next year) claims to be much better, performance like.

---

The other question is: do you really need 36000 circles? Without
seeing the file/project I am guessing that one could perhaps aggregate
things, or load chunks of the file doing network calls.

In cartography, we usually aggregate elements, part of the
generalization process. No human is actually capable to correctly
perceive 36000 elements on a single screen at once. If your canvas is
huge, you might just want to render the currently visible elements.

Andreas

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> Hi all,
> I have a svg file containing 36000 circles : is it normal that it 
> takes about 5 minutes to display/open ?
> Is there a way to make this more efficient ?
> Thanks.
> Julie





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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Performance question

2005-10-06 Thread julie gautier
What do you mean by "switch of anti-aliasing" ?
Concerning your suggestion of create rectangles instead of circles, why not... 
I'll test it.
I don't understand neither your last suggestion. What I do is to generate the 
file using Batik, so each circle is written inside a loop (creating the circle 
element and append it to the svgDocument)... Could you explain more your advide 
to "build your svg fragment with ALL cricles and append it once to the dom 
instead of 
appending each circle." ?
Thanks a lot.
Julie


"Andre M. Winter - Carto.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :
hi julie,

there is no real workaround. ("trop c'est trop.")

some possibilities although:

- switch of anti-aliasing

- try to render rectangles rather than circles. if they are that small 
that won't make any difference. i did some tests a year ago with 
randomly generated basic shapes. in order to render 5000 rects, ASV3/IE 
takes ~4sec. the same 5000 with circles takes ~18sec. but you wont be 
happy with your 36000 items anyway. 2 rects -> ~12sec, 5000 rects 
~25sec. (test were done on the same machine, an old PIII 750mhz, but the 
on a newer machine, the differences stay.

- what's the monster image.gif in there. btw. GIF is not to be supported 
by viewers according to the specification

- pregenerate your files and hardcode your circles. the generation 
precess itself takes time to. if you really need this, build your svg 
fragment with ALL cricles and append it once to the dom instead of 
appending each circle.

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julie gautier wrote:

>Thanks for your quick answer.
> 
>In my svg file, I have first a javascript section that contains an array that 
>have the same nb of lines (36000)
>Then here is a part of my svg file section where circles are drawn :
> 
>
>
>style="stroke:black; stroke-width:1031; fill:black"/>
>
>height="1134010" style="visibility:visible;"/>
>onmouseover="mousover(evt);" onmouseout="mousout(evt);">
>style="fill:rgb(152,358,0)"/>
>style="fill:rgb(58,452,0)"/>
>style="fill:rgb(295,215,0)"/>
>style="fill:rgb(307,203,0)"/>
>style="fill:rgb(138,372,0)"/>
>style="fill:rgb(226,284,0)"/>
>style="fill:rgb(118,392,0)"/>
>style="fill:rgb(265,245,0)"/>
>style="fill:rgb(367,143,0)"/>
>style="fill:rgb(168,342,0)"/>
>style="fill:rgb(154,356,0)"/>
>...
>
>
>
>
>
>I use the Adobe SVG viewer on IE6, on Windows XP, 2.6 GHz and 1Go RAM.
>
>And I do need to display those 36000 circles : the eye can't see them 
>individually but can have a global view which I don't want to reduce...
>Thanks again for your help
> 
>Julie
>



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RE: [svg-developers] Re: Performance question

2005-10-06 Thread julie gautier
I create the circles on the server, so when the svg is displayed, the circles 
are already written in the file. But what you say is important because I was 
wondering if it could be faster if I'd create the circles by using a javascript 
function when loading the document... So the response seems to be no.
I'm not sure to understand what you mean by agregate... but what I'm sure is 
that I want to display all the circles to have a global view.
And I don't use a database : users specify directly a file that contains the 
data.
And concerning the raster version, what interest me in the svg is the 
interactive part I can't have in a raster document.
Thanks anyway for your help and if you think to a solution, please let me know.
Julie

Andreas Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :
Hi Julie,

I still don't understand if you generate the circles in the client, using 
Javascript or on the 
server.

In the first case, that might be one of the reasons why it is very slow.

If you generate the circles on the server, than you can as well aggregate the 
circles.

I had a similar problem where I had to display thens of thousands of positions 
in a map. I 
ended up aggregating the elements using SQL functions in the database. Every 
time the 
user zooms and pans he would just download and see the portion of the map he 
navigated 
to. The more the user zoomed in the less the positions where aggregated. It 
really worked 
well and with no loss of quality. It makes no sense to display thousands of 
elements if they 
all overlap and just create one big soup of circles ...

Otherwise you might also want to look at other technologies besides SVG. SVG 
does not fit 
everywhere. Or wait for a better SVG viewer ... or create a raster version of 
your SVG and 
send the raster to the client.

Andreas

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, julie gautier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for your quick answer.
>  
> In my svg file, I have first a javascript section that contains an array that 
> have the same 
nb of lines (36000)
> Then here is a part of my svg file section where circles are drawn :
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  width="1238168" 
height="1134010" style="visibility:visible;"/>
> 
>  style="fill:rgb
(152,358,0)"/>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I use the Adobe SVG viewer on IE6, on Windows XP, 2.6 GHz and 1Go RAM.
> 
> And I do need to display those 36000 circles : the eye can't see them 
> individually but 
can have a global view which I don't want to reduce...
> Thanks again for your help






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Re: [svg-developers] Zoom on a part of svg

2005-10-22 Thread julie gautier
That's exactly the kind of things I want to do : I want to be able to zoom on a 
part of the svg document while the rest of the svg document remains unchanged. 
So, does this example shows there's no way to deal with the svg tools ? I mean 
I have to do (javascript code) my own zoom and pan, I cannot use the predefined 
zoomIn and zoomOut on a part of a svg document, that's right ? (I actually did 
my own zoom and pan but I was wondering if I could use the svg predefined ones 
instead...)
Thanks for your help.
Julie

Sylvain Rouillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :
Le Samedi 22 Octobre 2005 09:53, jgfa92004 a écrit :
> Hi all,
> I have a svg file that contains two svg parts :
> 
>
>   ...
>
>   ...
>
> 
> Is there a way to have a zoom only on svg 1 and not on svg 2 ?
> Or is there a workaround ?
> Thanks in advance.
> Julie

Hi Julie,

What you describe here made me think of an exemple that you can find at the 
following address:

http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/navigationTools/index.svg

with explainations here

http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/navigationTools/

For a more appropriate answer, maybe provide us with a better description of 
what you actually want. For instance, it isn't clear from your mail if you 
want to zoom on id=1 while the rest of the parent svg remains unchanged, or 
zoom in the whole parent svg with a zoom automatically centered on id=1. For 
the former, the general is to change the id=1's viewBox from within a script 
(as shown in the provided exemple), for the latter I have no idea.

Hope that helps.

Sylvain

  

  

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RE: [svg-developers] Re: open svg files on Xp SP2

2005-11-05 Thread julie gautier
Thanks a lot. I solved my problem : I found the solution in the suggested 
article : "The trick turned out to be in Tools->Options under the Advanced tab. 
Simply turn on “Allow active content to run in files on My Computer” and that 
problem goes away."

RougeParamedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :
Go here http://www.kevlindev.com/blog/?p=56

I think this is your answer.

Keith



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> Hi all,
> I just installed SP2 (IE6) on my computer and now, whenever I try to 
> open a svg file by double-clicking on it, IE is launched but the svg 
> is not displayed directly : I have an "Information bar" ("barre 
> d'informations" in french) that is displayed on which I have to 
click 
> to make my svg displayed. And even by modifying the security 
> parameters in the Internet Options, I couldn't remove it.
> Does anyone know how to remove this annoying "tool" (please don't 
tell 
> me to remove SP2...) ?
> Thanks in advance.
> Julie
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RE : [svg-developers] Re: Scrolling in browser

2005-11-19 Thread Julie Gautier
I mean I made my own zoom and pan so I disabled the ASV ones
(zoomAndPan=“disable” in the svg tag). I would prefer scrollbars instead
of using pan if the svg is larger than the window.
Is it possible ?
Thanks for your help.
Julie
 
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Hi Julie,
  What do you mean by "the zoom and pan is disabled in the svg" ? Don't 
you have the right-click ASV menu, or does the ctrl or the alt key do 
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disabled 
> in the svg), is it possible to "scroll" the svg as no scrollbars 
> appear in the browser window ? How can I do to enable scrollbars in 
> the IE window ?
> Thanks in advance.
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RE: RE : [svg-developers] Re: Scrolling in browser

2005-11-20 Thread julie gautier
Thanks but I didn't mean a svg scroll bar : I thought there were a way to have 
such scroll bars in IE (with which I could use the mouse wheel for example...).
  But I guess I was wrong : if the svg is larger than the browser window, the 
only way not to have the svg "cut" is to make my own scroll bar, is that right ?

Samuel Dagan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :
  Hi Julie,
  There are many entries for scroll bars in this group. Use the 
search option, by writing " scroll bar " and you'll find an answer. 
Cheers, Samy

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> I mean I made my own zoom and pan so I disabled the ASV ones
> (zoomAndPan="disable" in the svg tag). I would prefer scrollbars 
instead
> of using pan if the svg is larger than the window.
> Is it possible ?
> Thanks for your help.
> Julie
>  
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>  
> Hi Julie,
>   What do you mean by "the zoom and pan is disabled in the svg" ? 
Don't 
> you have the right-click ASV menu, or does the ctrl or the alt key 
do 
> nor respond? Samy
> 
> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "jgfa92004" 
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> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I use IE6 to see my svg files. If the svg file is larger than the 
> > browser window - maybe because there are several toobars in the 
upper 
> > part of the browser... - (and considering the zoom and pan is 
> disabled 
> > in the svg), is it possible to "scroll" the svg as no scrollbars 
> > appear in the browser window ? How can I do to enable scrollbars 
in 
> > the IE window ?
> > Thanks in advance.
> > Julie
> >
> 
> 
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