Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
I've got a few dozen examples that work fine in FF1.5, Opera 9 and IE/ASV3, but not in Gran Paradiso. The stuff that does work in Gran Paradiso, though, is very much faster to load, and in some cases, to run script than what I'm accustomed to. It appears that if there is any SMIL whatever, then Gran Paradiso doesn't render the file. I think FF1.5 displays the static image. Is this the appropriate place to post examples? regards David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
hi, i was just testing a map interface with FF2 and was disappointed while unloading a map and reloading another form the local filesystem. it took around 15sec. now FF3 (feb. 8th) does it in around 1sec and this over the web. this is faster than IE6/ASV3. mouse interactions work smooth, pages (also html) load at an amazing speed :-) give it a try with your own files, here you go: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/3.0a2/releasenotes/#download andré -- ___ andre m. winter, cartography for internet and multimedia applications schiessstand 4/1, a6091 goetzens, tyrol, austria tel.: ++43.5234.32732 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vectoreal.com/ SVG consulting and development http://www.geotrace.net/ geo-localized high quality photographs http://www.carto.at/ print and online touristic map solutions - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
On 2/13/07 8:32 AM, André M. Winter - Carto.net wrote: i was just testing a map interface with FF2 and was disappointed while unloading a map and reloading another form the local filesystem. it took around 15sec. now FF3 (feb. 8th) does it in around 1sec and this over the web. this is faster than IE6/ASV3. mouse interactions work smooth, pages (also html) load at an amazing speed :-) give it a try with your own files, here you go: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/3.0a2/releasenotes/#download Some information about the SVG capabilities in 3.0a2 are listed in the following URL. Note that a number of SVG applications will have problems due to regressions caused by some tree-wide gecko changes. The good news is that we now have a handle on these issues and have patches in hand to fix them. One thing I forgot to mention in the following is that we now have incremental loading of XML, so you'll see progressive rendering of SVG files as they load. http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/tor/archives/2007/02/gran_paradiso_alpha_2_and_svg.html -tor - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
Hi there, As an additional note, I'd like to say that I get to work every day with the latest (give or take a couple of weeks) trunk of Gecko, which is also used in Mozilla, for Joost and that the progress in SVG support and mixing with other XML grammars supported natively in Gecko has been truly amazing. Not surprised that André is already benefiting from it. Firefox 3.0 should be a significant milestone for SVG development, just like FF 1.5 and Opera 9 have been before it. Antoine -- Blog — http://the.fuchsia-design.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
hi tor, Some information about the SVG capabilities in 3.0a2 are listed in the following URL. Note that a number of SVG applications will have problems due to regressions caused by some tree-wide gecko changes. well, i reported my experience from a user perspective. i took a file out of my actual interface development (sorry not public yet) and it worked out of the box. it's not a simple static file (html-frameset with overview map, current.scale/translate-based zoompan-controls, change of the iframe-src of the main map, re-population of the overview (DOM manips) and DOM-interaction with the HTML around. and it is ASV3-compliant. if such a beast works with no problems in FF3, this is near from water proof for me. One thing I forgot to mention in the following is that we now have incremental loading of XML, so you'll see progressive rendering of SVG files as they load. didn't notice that yet in practice. but the last years we learned to build small small and smaller files, that may be the reason... -- ___ andre m. winter, cartography for internet and multimedia applications schiessstand 4/1, a6091 goetzens, tyrol, austria tel.: ++43.5234.32732 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vectoreal.com/ SVG consulting and development http://www.geotrace.net/ geo-localized high quality photographs http://www.carto.at/ print and online touristic map solutions - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
In a FF test I've created, a mouseover of Canada 364 Kb, it has improved from 6 seconds to 2 seconds. 2 Seconds is still much too slow compared to the Adobe viewer, but it is an improvement. I submitted this as a bug some time ago. For my purposes, it still falls short, and given the snail's pace anything svg is moving, I see flash in my future. I keep my fingers crossed, but my optimism wanes with each passing day. Sean André M. Winter - Carto.net wrote: hi tor, Some information about the SVG capabilities in 3.0a2 are listed in the following URL. Note that a number of SVG applications will have problems due to regressions caused by some tree-wide gecko changes. well, i reported my experience from a user perspective. i took a file out of my actual interface development (sorry not public yet) and it worked out of the box. it's not a simple static file (html-frameset with overview map, current.scale/translate-based zoompan-controls, change of the iframe-src of the main map, re-population of the overview (DOM manips) and DOM-interaction with the HTML around. and it is ASV3-compliant. if such a beast works with no problems in FF3, this is near from water proof for me. One thing I forgot to mention in the following is that we now have incremental loading of XML, so you'll see progressive rendering of SVG files as they load. didn't notice that yet in practice. but the last years we learned to build small small and smaller files, that may be the reason... -- __ andre m. winter, cartography for internet and multimedia applications schiessstand 4/1, a6091 goetzens, tyrol, austria tel.: ++43.5234.32732 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:winter%40carto.net http://www.vectoreal.com/ http://www.vectoreal.com/ SVG consulting and development http://www.geotrace.net/ http://www.geotrace.net/ geo-localized high quality photographs http://www.carto.at/ http://www.carto.at/ print and online touristic map solutions - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
I wish I could report the same happy news. Unfortunately, GranParadiso (on MacOSX at least) fails to render *anything* for me. It even seems buggy in doing normalish browser things like resizing framesets (the toolbar has half disappeared under the window title in my testing). Have a look at http://bct2.webtrak-lochard.com/ and see. It's not generating anything in the error logs that gives any indication of what it might be taking exception to either. I hope that whatever is wrong can be ironed out, as having a fast FF implementation would be a real shot in the arm for SVG, whereas a buggy implementation would just about be the kiss of death for SVG as far as this project is concerned. Guy On 14/02/2007, at 1:32 AM, André M. Winter - Carto.net wrote: hi, i was just testing a map interface with FF2 and was disappointed while unloading a map and reloading another form the local filesystem. it took around 15sec. now FF3 (feb. 8th) does it in around 1sec and this over the web. this is faster than IE6/ASV3. mouse interactions work smooth, pages (also html) load at an amazing speed :-) give it a try with your own files, here you go: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/3.0a2/releasenotes/#download andré -- ___ andre m. winter, cartography for internet and multimedia applications schiessstand 4/1, a6091 goetzens, tyrol, austria tel.: ++43.5234.32732 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vectoreal.com/ SVG consulting and development http://www.geotrace.net/ geo-localized high quality photographs http://www.carto.at/ print and online touristic map solutions - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
On 2/13/07 2:24 PM, TheMountainScene wrote: In a FF test I've created, a mouseover of Canada 364 Kb, it has improved from 6 seconds to 2 seconds. 2 Seconds is still much too slow compared to the Adobe viewer, but it is an improvement. I submitted this as a bug some time ago. For my purposes, it still falls short, and given the snail's pace anything svg is moving, I see flash in my future. I keep my fingers crossed, but my optimism wanes with each passing day. Assuming you're talking about the Canada map in bug 319990, the version you have online right now has a JS error. Correcting that, removing the alert, and moving in/out right near the border (which defeats our early-reject hit detection), the major hotspots in the profile all appear inside the cairo 2D graphics library: 57.20% checking if a point is inside the path 99.7% of this time is spent tesselating the path to trapezoids 14.83% painting paths 99% of this time is spent tesselating the path to trapezoids 14.51% getting screen path extent 99.9% of this time is spend tesselating the path to trapezoids The reason this appears in the profile is because the style change information Gecko gives us is a general things changed rather than detail which would let us realize that only the fill changed and the extent didn't need to be recalculated. It seems that if cairo improved their point-in-path functionality using one of the techniques that doesn't need a whole trapezoid list, things would be a fair bit faster. Changing the style system to give detailed information is a larger scope item, though maybe something gecko would want to do as it could help other sorts of content. It does seem as though this map is a bit of a torture case for cairo's tesselator - I've passed on the URL to the cairo developers. -tor - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
Aha...well that's the problem for me. I resized the window and it appeared. Good to know you know what is causing it. And I'll add my Wow to Andre's...FF used to use 70% of my CPU playing this file. Now it's using about 7%. There are some screen redrawing issues though still, which you'll see if you look at the link I sent (the planes are leaving translucent colour over the map). Guy On 14/02/2007, at 2:24 AM, T Rowley wrote: On 2/13/07 8:32 AM, André M. Winter - Carto.net wrote: i was just testing a map interface with FF2 and was disappointed while unloading a map and reloading another form the local filesystem. it took around 15sec. now FF3 (feb. 8th) does it in around 1sec and this over the web. this is faster than IE6/ASV3. mouse interactions work smooth, pages (also html) load at an amazing speed :-) give it a try with your own files, here you go: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/3.0a2/releasenotes/#download Some information about the SVG capabilities in 3.0a2 are listed in the following URL. Note that a number of SVG applications will have problems due to regressions caused by some tree-wide gecko changes. The good news is that we now have a handle on these issues and have patches in hand to fix them. One thing I forgot to mention in the following is that we now have incremental loading of XML, so you'll see progressive rendering of SVG files as they load. http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/tor/archives/2007/02/ gran_paradiso_alpha_2_and_svg.html -tor - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
On 2/13/07 3:37 PM, T Rowley wrote: Changing the style system to give detailed information is a larger scope item, though maybe something gecko would want to do as it could help other sorts of content. Correction - gecko does have a mechanism for splitting style information into repaint/reflow, SVG just isn't using it yet. The fun of depreciated APIs floating around... -tor - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
On 2/13/07 2:58 PM, Guy Morton wrote: I wish I could report the same happy news. Unfortunately, GranParadiso (on MacOSX at least) fails to render *anything* for me. It even seems buggy in doing normalish browser things like resizing framesets (the toolbar has half disappeared under the window title in my testing). Have a look at http://bct2.webtrak-lochard.com/ and see. It's not generating anything in the error logs that gives any indication of what it might be taking exception to either. This appears to be one of the SVG applications having a regression of the onload behavior. It is fixed in my local tree which contains the patch from bug 370210. -tor - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
On 2/13/07 3:41 PM, Guy Morton wrote: Aha...well that's the problem for me. I resized the window and it appeared. Good to know you know what is causing it. And I'll add my Wow to Andre's...FF used to use 70% of my CPU playing this file. Now it's using about 7%. In your case, this is probably largely due to the background image you're using and changes in how we implement svg:image internally. There are some screen redrawing issues though still, which you'll see if you look at the link I sent (the planes are leaving translucent colour over the map). I don't see redraw problems on linux here. If you could send me a screenshot I can look into the problem a bit. -tor - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
It was fine until two days ago when I played with it a bit. I'll put the old one back up. Thanks! T Rowley wrote: On 2/13/07 2:24 PM, TheMountainScene wrote: In a FF test I've created, a mouseover of Canada 364 Kb, it has improved from 6 seconds to 2 seconds. 2 Seconds is still much too slow compared to the Adobe viewer, but it is an improvement. I submitted this as a bug some time ago. For my purposes, it still falls short, and given the snail's pace anything svg is moving, I see flash in my future. I keep my fingers crossed, but my optimism wanes with each passing day. Assuming you're talking about the Canada map in bug 319990, the version you have online right now has a JS error. Correcting that, removing the alert, and moving in/out right near the border (which defeats our early-reject hit detection), the major hotspots in the profile all appear inside the cairo 2D graphics library: 57.20% checking if a point is inside the path 99.7% of this time is spent tesselating the path to trapezoids 14.83% painting paths 99% of this time is spent tesselating the path to trapezoids 14.51% getting screen path extent 99.9% of this time is spend tesselating the path to trapezoids The reason this appears in the profile is because the style change information Gecko gives us is a general things changed rather than detail which would let us realize that only the fill changed and the extent didn't need to be recalculated. It seems that if cairo improved their point-in-path functionality using one of the techniques that doesn't need a whole trapezoid list, things would be a fair bit faster. Changing the style system to give detailed information is a larger scope item, though maybe something gecko would want to do as it could help other sorts of content. It does seem as though this map is a bit of a torture case for cairo's tesselator - I've passed on the URL to the cairo developers. -tor - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF3.0a2 works great
The original is back up. Online, the version is still much faster, 2 vs 7 or 8 seconds. If it can get to Adobe performance, I'd be happy as a clam. T Rowley wrote: On 2/13/07 2:24 PM, TheMountainScene wrote: In a FF test I've created, a mouseover of Canada 364 Kb, it has improved from 6 seconds to 2 seconds. 2 Seconds is still much too slow compared to the Adobe viewer, but it is an improvement. I submitted this as a bug some time ago. For my purposes, it still falls short, and given the snail's pace anything svg is moving, I see flash in my future. I keep my fingers crossed, but my optimism wanes with each passing day. Assuming you're talking about the Canada map in bug 319990, the version you have online right now has a JS error. Correcting that, removing the alert, and moving in/out right near the border (which defeats our early-reject hit detection), the major hotspots in the profile all appear inside the cairo 2D graphics library: 57.20% checking if a point is inside the path 99.7% of this time is spent tesselating the path to trapezoids 14.83% painting paths 99% of this time is spent tesselating the path to trapezoids 14.51% getting screen path extent 99.9% of this time is spend tesselating the path to trapezoids The reason this appears in the profile is because the style change information Gecko gives us is a general things changed rather than detail which would let us realize that only the fill changed and the extent didn't need to be recalculated. It seems that if cairo improved their point-in-path functionality using one of the techniques that doesn't need a whole trapezoid list, things would be a fair bit faster. Changing the style system to give detailed information is a larger scope item, though maybe something gecko would want to do as it could help other sorts of content. It does seem as though this map is a bit of a torture case for cairo's tesselator - I've passed on the URL to the cairo developers. -tor - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
