[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source
hm - why do you want to use ASV with Safari? Safari (Webkit) can do SVG natively. Andreas --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth Nellis" wrote: > > Since I've updated to Safari 3.2.1 (Macintosh), I can no longer see SVG source through the > context-sensitive menu option "View Source". I'm using the ASV 3.0 plugin. The menu option > is there, but is no longer functional. Wondering if anyone else has this problem. > > As a workaround, I can select "Copy SVG", and then paste the results into a text editor. > > Ken Nellis > - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source
In my experiment, I removed ASV and then relaunched Safari to see what worked. SMIL didn't. I reinstalled ASV and SMIL worked again. So, I conclude that Safari doesn't do SMIL. Or is something else going on Ken Nellis On Dec 16, 2008, at 1:09 PM, svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote: > hm - why do you want to use ASV with Safari? Safari (Webkit) can do > SVG natively. > > Andreas > > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth Nellis" > wrote: > > > > Since I've updated to Safari 3.2.1 (Macintosh), I can no longer > see SVG source through the > > context-sensitive menu option "View Source". I'm using the ASV > 3.0 plugin. The menu option > > is there, but is no longer functional. Wondering if anyone else > has this problem. > > > > As a workaround, I can select "Copy SVG", and then paste the > results into a text editor. > > > > Ken Nellis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source
Hi Ken, It is true that the regular Safari release doesn't do SMIL yet. However, the Webkit nightlies (the base of future Safari versions) already does SMIL. It is not yet fully complete and tested (this is what the nightlies are for) but it is pretty good already. I invite you to download a webkit nightly from http:// nightly.webkit.org/ and test it to see if your SMIL examples work. You can report bugs if it doesn't. You can easily install Webkit in parallel with other webkits or Safari versions so you don't loose your official Safari release. Hope this helps, Andreas --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Nellis wrote: > > In my experiment, I removed ASV and then relaunched Safari to see > what worked. SMIL didn't. I reinstalled ASV and SMIL worked again. > So, I conclude that Safari doesn't do SMIL. Or is something else > going on > > Ken Nellis > > On Dec 16, 2008, at 1:09 PM, svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > hm - why do you want to use ASV with Safari? Safari (Webkit) can do > > SVG natively. > > > > Andreas > > > > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth Nellis" > > wrote: > > > > > > Since I've updated to Safari 3.2.1 (Macintosh), I can no longer > > see SVG source through the > > > context-sensitive menu option "View Source". I'm using the ASV > > 3.0 plugin. The menu option > > > is there, but is no longer functional. Wondering if anyone else > > has this problem. > > > > > > As a workaround, I can select "Copy SVG", and then paste the > > results into a text editor. > > > > > > Ken Nellis > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source
Thanx, Andreas. I did download and play with the latest nightly WebKit build. My few SMIL things worked fine and so does View Source! Compared with ASV3, certain other things work better and certain other things work worse. I seem to have a text problem, that may be my own problem, but it works fine with ASV3 and Firefox3, so I had assumed I had coded it correctly. Ken On Dec 18, 2008, at 11:48 AM, svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source > Posted by: "Andreas Neumann" a.neum...@carto.net neumannandreas > Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:02 pm (PST) > > Hi Ken, > > It is true that the regular Safari release doesn't do SMIL yet. > > However, the Webkit nightlies (the base of future Safari versions) > already does SMIL. It is not yet fully complete and tested (this is > what the nightlies are for) but it is pretty good already. > > I invite you to download a webkit nightly from http:// > nightly.webkit.org/ and test it to see if your SMIL examples work. > You can report bugs if it doesn't. You can easily install Webkit in > parallel with other webkits or Safari versions so you don't loose > your official Safari release. > > Hope this helps, > Andreas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source
yes, it is also my impression that some things are better and some are worse. But Webkit is under active development while ASV is dead. Also, all in all, performance in Webkit and browser integration is good. I agree that there are still some bugs. I encourage you to report the bugs at https://bugs.webkit.org/ Webkit is also important since it is also used in Google Chrome, iPhone, Konqueror, Adobe Air (I think they deactivated SVG on purpose) and other browsers/devices. Thanks, Andreas --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Nellis wrote: > > Thanx, Andreas. I did download and play with the latest nightly > WebKit build. My few SMIL things worked fine and so does View Source! > Compared with ASV3, certain other things work better and certain > other things work worse. I seem to have a text problem, that may be > my own problem, but it works fine with ASV3 and Firefox3, so I had > assumed I had coded it correctly. > Ken > > On Dec 18, 2008, at 11:48 AM, svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source > > Posted by: "Andreas Neumann" a.neum...@... neumannandreas > > Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:02 pm (PST) > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > It is true that the regular Safari release doesn't do SMIL yet. > > > > However, the Webkit nightlies (the base of future Safari versions) > > already does SMIL. It is not yet fully complete and tested (this is > > what the nightlies are for) but it is pretty good already. > > > > I invite you to download a webkit nightly from http:// > > nightly.webkit.org/ and test it to see if your SMIL examples work. > > You can report bugs if it doesn't. You can easily install Webkit in > > parallel with other webkits or Safari versions so you don't loose > > your official Safari release. > > > > Hope this helps, > > Andreas > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source
I wonder if a 2nd pair of eyes might see a problem with my SVG code in this page: http://mysite.verizon.net/nellisks/svg/kakuro/wp.07-10-28.svg Safari 3.2.1 with ASV3 and Firefox 3.0.4 and Camino 1.6.5 render the Kakuro puzzle as desired, but Safari w/out ASV3 renders impossibly large text, just as did Opera 9.25. The current version of Opera (9.62) renders no text at all, unless its positioned outside the window. (This is the one "worse" thing that I've identified so far about Safari's SVG rendering over ASV's.) Ken Nellis On Dec 19, 2008, at 1:06 PM, svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source > Posted by: "Andreas Neumann" a.neum...@carto.net neumannandreas > Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:15 pm (PST) > > yes, it is also my impression that some things are better and some > are worse. But Webkit is under active development while ASV is > dead. Also, all in all, performance in Webkit and browser > integration is good. > > I agree that there are still some bugs. > > I encourage you to report the bugs at https://bugs.webkit.org/ > > Webkit is also important since it is also used in Google Chrome, > iPhone, Konqueror, Adobe Air (I think they deactivated SVG on > purpose) and other browsers/devices. > > Thanks, > Andreas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Nellis
wrote:
>
> I wonder if a 2nd pair of eyes might see a problem with my SVG
code
> in this page:
>
> http://mysite.verizon.net/nellisks/svg/kakuro/wp.07-10-28.svg
>
> Safari 3.2.1 with ASV3 and Firefox 3.0.4 and Camino 1.6.5 render
the
> Kakuro puzzle as desired, but Safari w/out ASV3 renders
impossibly
> large text, just as did Opera 9.25. The current version of Opera
> (9.62) renders no text at all, unless its positioned outside the
> window. (This is the one "worse" thing that I've identified so
far
> about Safari's SVG rendering over ASV's.)
>
> Ken Nellis
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2008, at 1:06 PM, svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> > Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source
> > Posted by: "Andreas Neumann" a.neum...@... neumannandreas
> > Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:15 pm (PST)
> >
> > yes, it is also my impression that some things are better and
some
> > are worse. But Webkit is under active development while ASV is
> > dead. Also, all in all, performance in Webkit and browser
> > integration is good.
> >
> > I agree that there are still some bugs.
> >
> > I encourage you to report the bugs at https://bugs.webkit.org/
> >
> > Webkit is also important since it is also used in Google
Chrome,
> > iPhone, Konqueror, Adobe Air (I think they deactivated SVG on
> > purpose) and other browsers/devices.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Andreas
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Hi,
from my experience the Webkits have a problem rendering
sizes which are less then 1 - font-size, image with/height etc.
It doesn't matter for them what the final size on the page
is, what counts for that problem is the initial declaration.
I wrote a small script to do the dirty work for you if you just
replace the relevant part of your code with the following code,
also note I ad px to the font size or else in most browsers
you'll end up with the default font size of the browser.
http://www.w3.org/2000/svg";
xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink";
version="1.1" viewBox="-50 -50 1100 1100"
onload="scaleAllNums()">
//
Kakuro Puzzle
text {font-size: 27px; fill: white}
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[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Nellis wrote: > > I wonder if a 2nd pair of eyes might see a problem with my SVG code > in this page: > > http://mysite.verizon.net/nellisks/svg/kakuro/wp.07-10-28.svg > > Safari 3.2.1 with ASV3 and Firefox 3.0.4 and Camino 1.6.5 render the > Kakuro puzzle as desired, but Safari w/out ASV3 renders impossibly > large text, just as did Opera 9.25. The current version of Opera > (9.62) renders no text at all, unless its positioned outside the > window. (This is the one "worse" thing that I've identified so far > about Safari's SVG rendering over ASV's.) > > Ken Nellis > > I've tested it in Squiggle, Apache Batik 1.7, and that looked okay too. There seems nothing to be wrong with your code. I was able to make it work in Opera 9.62 by removing the
[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source
Thanx to Andreas and Frank for their helpful responses and apologies for my second post appealing for help on the same subject. Frank, I followed up on your idea that applying font-size directly as element attributes rather than in style attributes. This worked to a point: I could control the text size in Safari down to 0.3pt (if I recall correctly), but this was still too big, but if I made the size any smaller, Safari would ignore my specification and generate the huge text. Andreas, your JavaScript solution is creative—and works in all browsers I tested, even Mac/IE 5.2.3—but I think it points out that the real solution is for the program that generates these SVG files to specify the coordinates on a higher-resolution grid so that I can specify font-size in a higher unit count. Do you think this is worthy of a Webkit Bugzilla report? —Ken - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source
To close the loop on this, back in December 2008 I did write a Webkit Bugzilla report and just today I got the word that they fixed the bug, 25 months later! https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14242 I haven't downloaded the lastest nightly build yet, so haven't confirmed it. Ken Nellis --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Nellis wrote: > > Thanx to Andreas and Frank for their helpful responses and apologies > for my second post appealing for help on the same subject. > > Frank, I followed up on your idea that applying font-size directly as > element attributes rather than in style attributes. This > worked to a point: I could control the text size in Safari down to > 0.3pt (if I recall correctly), but this was still too big, but if I > made the size any smaller, Safari would ignore my specification and > generate the huge text. > > Andreas, your JavaScript solution is creativeand works in all > browsers I tested, even Mac/IE 5.2.3but I think it points out that > the real solution is for the program that generates these SVG files > to specify the coordinates on a higher-resolution grid so that I can > specify font-size in a higher unit count. Do you think this is worthy > of a Webkit Bugzilla report? > > Ken > - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source
Kenneth Nellis wrote: >In my experiment, I removed ASV and then relaunched Safari to see >what worked. SMIL didn't. I reinstalled ASV and SMIL worked again. >So, I conclude that Safari doesn't do SMIL. Or is something else >going on That is true. Safari does not yet support SMIL. It seems to be on its way fairly soon though. Both Google Chrome and Safari are based, at least in part, on WebKit. WebKit's nightly builds, we are told, now support SMIL, though I'm not sure how fully. David - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source
You forgot Nokia S60 handsets which are the biggest group of devices sold at the moment. http://veikoh.wordpress.com --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Andreas Neumann wrote: > From: Andreas Neumann > Subject: [svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source > To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 9:15 AM > yes, it is also my impression that some things are better > and some > are worse. But Webkit is under active development while ASV > is dead. > Also, all in all, performance in Webkit and browser > integration is > good. > > I agree that there are still some bugs. > > I encourage you to report the bugs at > https://bugs.webkit.org/ > > Webkit is also important since it is also used in Google > Chrome, > iPhone, Konqueror, Adobe Air (I think they deactivated SVG > on > purpose) and other browsers/devices. > > Thanks, > Andreas > > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Nellis > > wrote: > > > > Thanx, Andreas. I did download and play with the > latest nightly > > WebKit build. My few SMIL things worked fine and so > does View > Source! > > Compared with ASV3, certain other things work better > and certain > > other things work worse. I seem to have a text > problem, that may > be > > my own problem, but it works fine with ASV3 and > Firefox3, so I had > > assumed I had coded it correctly. > > —Ken > > > > On Dec 18, 2008, at 11:48 AM, > svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > > > Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View > Source > > > Posted by: "Andreas Neumann" > a.neum...@... neumannandreas > > > Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:02 pm (PST) > > > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > > > It is true that the regular Safari release > doesn't do SMIL yet. > > > > > > However, the Webkit nightlies (the base of future > Safari > versions) > > > already does SMIL. It is not yet fully complete > and tested (this > is > > > what the nightlies are for) but it is pretty good > already. > > > > > > I invite you to download a webkit nightly from > http:// > > > nightly.webkit.org/ and test it to see if your > SMIL examples > work. > > > You can report bugs if it doesn't. You can > easily install Webkit > in > > > parallel with other webkits or Safari versions so > you don't > loose > > > your official Safari release. > > > > > > Hope this helps, > > > Andreas > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe send a message to: > svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com > -or- > visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and > click "edit my membership" > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:49:18 +0100, Frank Bruder wrote: > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Nellis > wrote: >> >> I wonder if a 2nd pair of eyes might see a problem with my SVG > code >> in this page: >> >> http://mysite.verizon.net/nellisks/svg/kakuro/wp.07-10-28.svg >> >> Safari 3.2.1 with ASV3 and Firefox 3.0.4 and Camino 1.6.5 render > the >> Kakuro puzzle as desired, but Safari w/out ASV3 renders impossibly >> large text, just as did Opera 9.25. The current version of Opera >> (9.62) renders no text at all, unless its positioned outside the >> window. (This is the one "worse" thing that I've identified so far >> about Safari's SVG rendering over ASV's.) >> >> —Ken Nellis >> >> > > I've tested it in Squiggle, Apache Batik 1.7, and that looked okay > too. There seems nothing to be wrong with your code. > > I was able to make it work in Opera 9.62 by removing the
