[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source

2011-02-01 Thread Kenneth N
To close the loop on this, back in December 2008 I did write a Webkit Bugzilla 
report and just today I got the word that they fixed the bug, 25 months later!
https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14242
I haven't downloaded the lastest nightly build yet, so haven't confirmed it.
—Ken Nellis

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Nellis nellisks@... wrote:

 Thanx to Andreas and Frank for their helpful responses and apologies  
 for my second post appealing for help on the same subject.
 
 Frank, I followed up on your idea that applying font-size directly as  
 text element attributes rather than in style attributes. This  
 worked to a point: I could control the text size in Safari down to  
 0.3pt (if I recall correctly), but this was still too big, but if I  
 made the size any smaller, Safari would ignore my specification and  
 generate the huge text.
 
 Andreas, your JavaScript solution is creative—and works in all  
 browsers I tested, even Mac/IE 5.2.3—but I think it points out that  
 the real solution is for the program that generates these SVG files  
 to specify the coordinates on a higher-resolution grid so that I can  
 specify font-size in a higher unit count. Do you think this is worthy  
 of a Webkit Bugzilla report?
 
 —Ken







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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source

2009-01-05 Thread Erik Dahlström
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:49:18 +0100, Frank Bruder redu...@yahoo.de wrote:

 --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Nellis nelli...@...
 wrote:

 I wonder if a 2nd pair of eyes might see a problem with my SVG
 code
 in this page:

 http://mysite.verizon.net/nellisks/svg/kakuro/wp.07-10-28.svg

 Safari 3.2.1 with ASV3 and Firefox 3.0.4 and Camino 1.6.5 render
 the
 Kakuro puzzle as desired, but Safari w/out ASV3 renders impossibly
 large text, just as did Opera 9.25. The current version of Opera
 (9.62) renders no text at all, unless its positioned outside the
 window. (This is the one worse thing that I've identified so far
 about Safari's SVG rendering over ASV's.)

 —Ken Nellis



 I've tested it in Squiggle, Apache Batik 1.7, and that looked okay
 too. There seems nothing to be wrong with your code.

 I was able to make it work in Opera 9.62 by removing the style
 element and adding
  font-size=0.275px fill=white
 to the containing g element instead. This also is a shorter
 notation.

Using very small fontsizes (1px) is usually troublesome in my experience, in 
most viewers. I've seen similar problems with pattern when the width or 
height is small.

...

 I've encountered the similar problem that setting the font family in
 a CSS stylesheet didn't work in Opera, whereas using the presentation
 attribute worked.

If you have a testcase showing that please file a bug here: 
http://bugs.opera.com/wizard.

Cheers
/Erik

-- 
Erik Dahlstrom, Core Technology Developer, Opera Software
Co-Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
Personal blog: http://my.opera.com/macdev_ed



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[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source

2008-12-24 Thread Kenneth Nellis
Thanx to Andreas and Frank for their helpful responses and apologies  
for my second post appealing for help on the same subject.

Frank, I followed up on your idea that applying font-size directly as  
text element attributes rather than in style attributes. This  
worked to a point: I could control the text size in Safari down to  
0.3pt (if I recall correctly), but this was still too big, but if I  
made the size any smaller, Safari would ignore my specification and  
generate the huge text.

Andreas, your JavaScript solution is creative—and works in all  
browsers I tested, even Mac/IE 5.2.3—but I think it points out that  
the real solution is for the program that generates these SVG files  
to specify the coordinates on a higher-resolution grid so that I can  
specify font-size in a higher unit count. Do you think this is worthy  
of a Webkit Bugzilla report?

—Ken


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[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source

2008-12-23 Thread Frank Bruder
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Nellis nelli...@... 
wrote:

 I wonder if a 2nd pair of eyes might see a problem with my SVG 
code  
 in this page:
 
 http://mysite.verizon.net/nellisks/svg/kakuro/wp.07-10-28.svg
 
 Safari 3.2.1 with ASV3 and Firefox 3.0.4 and Camino 1.6.5 render 
the  
 Kakuro puzzle as desired, but Safari w/out ASV3 renders impossibly  
 large text, just as did Opera 9.25. The current version of Opera  
 (9.62) renders no text at all, unless its positioned outside the  
 window. (This is the one worse thing that I've identified so far  
 about Safari's SVG rendering over ASV's.)
 
 —Ken Nellis
 
 

I've tested it in Squiggle, Apache Batik 1.7, and that looked okay 
too. There seems nothing to be wrong with your code.

I was able to make it work in Opera 9.62 by removing the style 
element and adding
 font-size=0.275px fill=white
to the containing g element instead. This also is a shorter 
notation.

Interestingly, when instead of using the font-size attribue I declare 
the font size in the style attribute of the g element, it does not 
work. So the problem occurs when CSS is used to set the font size, 
but not with the presentation attribute. I don't see any reason why 
both notations should not be equivalent in this case. This seems to 
be a bug in Opera.

I've encountered the similar problem that setting the font family in 
a CSS stylesheet didn't work in Opera, whereas using the presentation 
attribute worked.

Now I'm curious if removing the CSS and using presentation attributes 
would also make it work in Safari. When CSS is applied to SGML or XML 
text it makes sense to let the user set a minimum font size, which 
overwrites author stylesheets, and in a flow layout this would do no 
harm. Maybe this, in combination with the identification of CSS 
pixels with current user coordinate units is at the root of Safari's 
problem. If that's the case, then it might be avoided by using 
presentation attributes, assuming these are not internally translated 
to CSS and handled by the CSS engine.


Regards
 Frank




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[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source

2008-12-22 Thread owlgems
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Nellis nelli...@... 
wrote:

 I wonder if a 2nd pair of eyes might see a problem with my SVG 
code  
 in this page:
 
 http://mysite.verizon.net/nellisks/svg/kakuro/wp.07-10-28.svg
 
 Safari 3.2.1 with ASV3 and Firefox 3.0.4 and Camino 1.6.5 render 
the  
 Kakuro puzzle as desired, but Safari w/out ASV3 renders 
impossibly  
 large text, just as did Opera 9.25. The current version of Opera  
 (9.62) renders no text at all, unless its positioned outside the  
 window. (This is the one worse thing that I've identified so 
far  
 about Safari's SVG rendering over ASV's.)
 
 —Ken Nellis
 
 
 On Dec 19, 2008, at 1:06 PM, svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
  Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source
  Posted by: Andreas Neumann a.neum...@...   neumannandreas
  Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:15 pm (PST)
 
  yes, it is also my impression that some things are better and 
some  
  are worse. But Webkit is under active development while ASV is  
  dead. Also, all in all, performance in Webkit and browser  
  integration is good.
 
  I agree that there are still some bugs.
 
  I encourage you to report the bugs at https://bugs.webkit.org/
 
  Webkit is also important since it is also used in Google 
Chrome,  
  iPhone, Konqueror, Adobe Air (I think they deactivated SVG on  
  purpose) and other browsers/devices.
 
  Thanks,
  Andreas
 
 
 
 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi,

from my experience the Webkits have a problem rendering
sizes which are less then 1 - font-size, image with/height etc.
It doesn't matter for them what the final size on the page 
is, what counts for that problem is the initial declaration.

I wrote a small script to do the dirty work for you if you just 
replace the relevant part of your code with the following code,
also note I ad px to the font size or else in most browsers 
you'll end up with the default font size of the browser.

?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8 standalone=yes?
!-- Created Sun Dec 21 13:21:04 2008 by make_kakuro_svg --
svg xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg;
 xmlns:xlink=http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink;
 version=1.1 viewBox=-50 -50 1100 1100
 onload=scaleAllNums()
script//![CDATA[ 
function numnum(it) { return /\d/.test(String(it))
it*1==it };
function scaleAllNums(){
var all = document.getElementsByTagName
('*'); 
for(var i=0, allL=all.length; iallL; i++){
var atts = all.item(i).attributes
for(var j=0, attsL=atts.length; 
jattsL; j++){
var att = atts.item(j)
if(numnum(att.value))all.item
(i).setAttributeNS(null, att.name, att.value*100)
}   
}
}
//]]/script
titleKakuro Puzzle/title
defs
style type=text/css
text {font-size: 27px; fill: white}
/style




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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source

2008-12-19 Thread veiko herne
You forgot Nokia S60 handsets which are the biggest group of devices sold at 
the moment. 

http://veikoh.wordpress.com


--- On Fri, 12/19/08, Andreas Neumann a.neum...@carto.net wrote:

 From: Andreas Neumann a.neum...@carto.net
 Subject: [svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source
 To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 9:15 AM
 yes, it is also my impression that some things are better
 and some 
 are worse. But Webkit is under active development while ASV
 is dead. 
 Also, all in all, performance in Webkit and browser
 integration is 
 good.
 
 I agree that there are still some bugs.
 
 I encourage you to report the bugs at
 https://bugs.webkit.org/
 
 Webkit is also important since it is also used in Google
 Chrome, 
 iPhone, Konqueror, Adobe Air (I think they deactivated SVG
 on 
 purpose) and other browsers/devices.
 
 Thanks,
 Andreas
 
 --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Nellis
 nelli...@... 
 wrote:
 
  Thanx, Andreas. I did download and play with the
 latest nightly  
  WebKit build. My few SMIL things worked fine and so
 does View 
 Source!  
  Compared with ASV3, certain other things work better
 and certain  
  other things work worse. I seem to have a text
 problem, that may 
 be  
  my own problem, but it works fine with ASV3 and
 Firefox3, so I had  
  assumed I had coded it correctly.
  —Ken
  
  On Dec 18, 2008, at 11:48 AM,
 svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote:
  
   Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View
 Source
   Posted by: Andreas Neumann
 a.neum...@...   neumannandreas
   Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:02 pm (PST)
  
   Hi Ken,
  
   It is true that the regular Safari release
 doesn't do SMIL yet.
  
   However, the Webkit nightlies (the base of future
 Safari 
 versions)  
   already does SMIL. It is not yet fully complete
 and tested (this 
 is  
   what the nightlies are for) but it is pretty good
 already.
  
   I invite you to download a webkit nightly from
 http:// 
   nightly.webkit.org/ and test it to see if your
 SMIL examples 
 work.  
   You can report bugs if it doesn't. You can
 easily install Webkit 
 in  
   parallel with other webkits or Safari versions so
 you don't 
 loose  
   your official Safari release.
  
   Hope this helps,
   Andreas
  
  
  
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[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source

2008-12-19 Thread Kenneth Nellis
I wonder if a 2nd pair of eyes might see a problem with my SVG code  
in this page:

http://mysite.verizon.net/nellisks/svg/kakuro/wp.07-10-28.svg

Safari 3.2.1 with ASV3 and Firefox 3.0.4 and Camino 1.6.5 render the  
Kakuro puzzle as desired, but Safari w/out ASV3 renders impossibly  
large text, just as did Opera 9.25. The current version of Opera  
(9.62) renders no text at all, unless its positioned outside the  
window. (This is the one worse thing that I've identified so far  
about Safari's SVG rendering over ASV's.)

—Ken Nellis


On Dec 19, 2008, at 1:06 PM, svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source
 Posted by: Andreas Neumann a.neum...@carto.net   neumannandreas
 Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:15 pm (PST)

 yes, it is also my impression that some things are better and some  
 are worse. But Webkit is under active development while ASV is  
 dead. Also, all in all, performance in Webkit and browser  
 integration is good.

 I agree that there are still some bugs.

 I encourage you to report the bugs at https://bugs.webkit.org/

 Webkit is also important since it is also used in Google Chrome,  
 iPhone, Konqueror, Adobe Air (I think they deactivated SVG on  
 purpose) and other browsers/devices.

 Thanks,
 Andreas



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[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source

2008-12-18 Thread Kenneth Nellis
Thanx, Andreas. I did download and play with the latest nightly  
WebKit build. My few SMIL things worked fine and so does View Source!  
Compared with ASV3, certain other things work better and certain  
other things work worse. I seem to have a text problem, that may be  
my own problem, but it works fine with ASV3 and Firefox3, so I had  
assumed I had coded it correctly.
—Ken

On Dec 18, 2008, at 11:48 AM, svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source
 Posted by: Andreas Neumann a.neum...@carto.net   neumannandreas
 Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:02 pm (PST)

 Hi Ken,

 It is true that the regular Safari release doesn't do SMIL yet.

 However, the Webkit nightlies (the base of future Safari versions)  
 already does SMIL. It is not yet fully complete and tested (this is  
 what the nightlies are for) but it is pretty good already.

 I invite you to download a webkit nightly from http:// 
 nightly.webkit.org/ and test it to see if your SMIL examples work.  
 You can report bugs if it doesn't. You can easily install Webkit in  
 parallel with other webkits or Safari versions so you don't loose  
 your official Safari release.

 Hope this helps,
 Andreas



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[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source

2008-12-18 Thread Andreas Neumann
yes, it is also my impression that some things are better and some 
are worse. But Webkit is under active development while ASV is dead. 
Also, all in all, performance in Webkit and browser integration is 
good.

I agree that there are still some bugs.

I encourage you to report the bugs at https://bugs.webkit.org/

Webkit is also important since it is also used in Google Chrome, 
iPhone, Konqueror, Adobe Air (I think they deactivated SVG on 
purpose) and other browsers/devices.

Thanks,
Andreas

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Nellis nelli...@... 
wrote:

 Thanx, Andreas. I did download and play with the latest nightly  
 WebKit build. My few SMIL things worked fine and so does View 
Source!  
 Compared with ASV3, certain other things work better and certain  
 other things work worse. I seem to have a text problem, that may 
be  
 my own problem, but it works fine with ASV3 and Firefox3, so I had  
 assumed I had coded it correctly.
 —Ken
 
 On Dec 18, 2008, at 11:48 AM, svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
  Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source
  Posted by: Andreas Neumann a.neum...@...   neumannandreas
  Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:02 pm (PST)
 
  Hi Ken,
 
  It is true that the regular Safari release doesn't do SMIL yet.
 
  However, the Webkit nightlies (the base of future Safari 
versions)  
  already does SMIL. It is not yet fully complete and tested (this 
is  
  what the nightlies are for) but it is pretty good already.
 
  I invite you to download a webkit nightly from http:// 
  nightly.webkit.org/ and test it to see if your SMIL examples 
work.  
  You can report bugs if it doesn't. You can easily install Webkit 
in  
  parallel with other webkits or Safari versions so you don't 
loose  
  your official Safari release.
 
  Hope this helps,
  Andreas
 
 
 
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[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source

2008-12-17 Thread Andreas Neumann
Hi Ken,

It is true that the regular Safari release doesn't do SMIL yet.

However, the Webkit nightlies (the base of future Safari versions) 
already does SMIL. It is not yet fully complete and tested (this is 
what the nightlies are for) but it is pretty good already.

I invite you to download a webkit nightly from http://
nightly.webkit.org/ and test it to see if your SMIL examples work. 
You can report bugs if it doesn't. You can easily install Webkit in 
parallel with other webkits or Safari versions so you don't loose 
your official Safari release.

Hope this helps,
Andreas

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Nellis nelli...@... 
wrote:

 In my experiment, I removed ASV and then relaunched Safari to see  
 what worked. SMIL didn't. I reinstalled ASV and SMIL worked again.  
 So, I conclude that Safari doesn't do SMIL. Or is something else  
 going on
 
 —Ken Nellis
 
 On Dec 16, 2008, at 1:09 PM, svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
  hm - why do you want to use ASV with Safari? Safari (Webkit) can 
do
  SVG natively.
 
  Andreas
 
  --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Nellis
  nellisks@ wrote:
  
   Since I've updated to Safari 3.2.1 (Macintosh), I can no 
longer  
  see SVG source through the
   context-sensitive menu option View Source. I'm using the ASV  
  3.0 plugin. The menu option
   is there, but is no longer functional. Wondering if anyone 
else  
  has this problem.
  
   As a workaround, I can select Copy SVG, and then paste the  
  results into a text editor.
  
   —Ken Nellis
 
 
 
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[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source

2008-12-16 Thread Kenneth Nellis
In my experiment, I removed ASV and then relaunched Safari to see  
what worked. SMIL didn't. I reinstalled ASV and SMIL worked again.  
So, I conclude that Safari doesn't do SMIL. Or is something else  
going on

—Ken Nellis

On Dec 16, 2008, at 1:09 PM, svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 hm - why do you want to use ASV with Safari? Safari (Webkit) can do
 SVG natively.

 Andreas

 --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Nellis
 nelli...@... wrote:
 
  Since I've updated to Safari 3.2.1 (Macintosh), I can no longer  
 see SVG source through the
  context-sensitive menu option View Source. I'm using the ASV  
 3.0 plugin. The menu option
  is there, but is no longer functional. Wondering if anyone else  
 has this problem.
 
  As a workaround, I can select Copy SVG, and then paste the  
 results into a text editor.
 
  —Ken Nellis



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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source

2008-12-16 Thread ddailey
Kenneth Nellis wrote:

In my experiment, I removed ASV and then relaunched Safari to see
what worked. SMIL didn't. I reinstalled ASV and SMIL worked again.
So, I conclude that Safari doesn't do SMIL. Or is something else
going on

That is true. Safari does not yet support SMIL. It seems to be on its way 
fairly soon though.

Both Google Chrome and Safari are based, at least in part, on WebKit. 
WebKit's nightly builds, we are told, now support SMIL, though I'm not sure 
how fully.

David




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[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source

2008-12-15 Thread Andreas Neumann
hm - why do you want to use ASV with Safari? Safari (Webkit) can do 
SVG natively.

Andreas

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Nellis 
nelli...@... wrote:

 Since I've updated to Safari 3.2.1 (Macintosh), I can no longer see 
SVG source through the 
 context-sensitive menu option View Source. I'm using the ASV 3.0 
plugin. The menu option 
 is there, but is no longer functional. Wondering if anyone else has 
this problem.
 
 As a workaround, I can select Copy SVG, and then paste the 
results into a text editor.
 
 —Ken Nellis






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