Re: [svg-developers] MAX2005: Some Flash stuff ...and something about the Ele...
Ronan, Avalon is now Windows Presentation Framework. The link didn't have much meat about why the Macromedia CEO isn't scared of Sparkle, I note. I wonder if he had a solid-fronted podium so that the audience couldn't see his knees knocking? :) Andrew Watt In a message dated 21/10/2005 11:26:26 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I came across this Flash writeup about the keynote at MAX2005, some sort of conference ;-) . Flash people appear to feel quite confident regarding our common risk: MS's Avalon (or is it now sparkle?, or sprinkle?, or tinkle?). Also, it seems MM products are making significant headway with rich web apps. it will be interesting to see where Flash 8 goes with rich web apps. http://java.sys-con.com/read/142287.htm MAX 2005 – Where's Flash Going?: Macromedia's CEO Wows Developers, Tells Microsoft to Try Again Stephen Elop Throws Down the Gauntlet to Redmond in Day 1 Keynote Address in Anaheim, CA As anticipated by MX Developer's Journal for several weeks, Macromedia CEO Stephen Elop (pictured) used his keynote address at Day One of MAX 2005 here in Anaheim, CA, to blaze with all guns firing – Macromedia's powerful Flash and Flex guns in particular. Plus for good measure Elop delivered a combative message to Microsoft, in relation to their would-be Flash-killer, Expression Studio...Try again! In one of the most memorable statistics of the entire keynote, Elop noted that the download rate of Macromedia Flash Player 8 is now so rapid that during the course of the keynote, about 400,000 Flash Players would have been downloaded and installed. He also gave some powerful examples of Rich Internet Applications that bring real-world benefits in terms of what business likes most: profits. ... Ronan -- Ronan Oger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] MAX2005: Some Flash stuff ...and something about the Ele...
Mini-oops! I should have said that Avalon is now Windows Presentation Foundation. Andrew Watt In a message dated 21/10/2005 11:57:18 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ronan, Avalon is now Windows Presentation Framework. The link didn't have much meat about why the Macromedia CEO isn't scared of Sparkle, I note. I wonder if he had a solid-fronted podium so that the audience couldn't see his knees knocking? :) Andrew Watt In a message dated 21/10/2005 11:26:26 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I came across this Flash writeup about the keynote at MAX2005, some sort of conference ;-) . Flash people appear to feel quite confident regarding our common risk: MS's Avalon (or is it now sparkle?, or sprinkle?, or tinkle?). Also, it seems MM products are making significant headway with rich web apps. it will be interesting to see where Flash 8 goes with rich web apps. http://java.sys-con.com/read/142287.htm MAX 2005 – Where's Flash Going?: Macromedia's CEO Wows Developers, Tells Microsoft to Try Again Stephen Elop Throws Down the Gauntlet to Redmond in Day 1 Keynote Address in Anaheim, CA As anticipated by MX Developer's Journal for several weeks, Macromedia CEO Stephen Elop (pictured) used his keynote address at Day One of MAX 2005 here in Anaheim, CA, to blaze with all guns firing – Macromedia's powerful Flash and Flex guns in particular. Plus for good measure Elop delivered a combative message to Microsoft, in relation to their would-be Flash-killer, Expression Studio...Try again! In one of the most memorable statistics of the entire keynote, Elop noted that the download rate of Macromedia Flash Player 8 is now so rapid that during the course of the keynote, about 400,000 Flash Players would have been downloaded and installed. He also gave some powerful examples of Rich Internet Applications that bring real-world benefits in terms of what business likes most: profits. ... Ronan -- Ronan Oger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] MAX2005: Some Flash stuff ...and something about the Ele...
Andrew, [irrelevant] WPF. s/P/T/ ? ;-) Well, it was a keynote. The future is great. Everything is fine. I agree, there was not much meat. Maybe the keynote transcript is published somewhere with more...? If so, I am sure our MM friends will happily pass it on to us. This is obviously a dangerous place to talk about MM since we always end up in some wierd flame-soup that clogs our mailboxes for days on end. I wonder increasingly if our little world won't realign itself from SVG vs MM to SVG + MM vs WMF. Ronan On Friday 21 October 2005 04:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ronan, Avalon is now Windows Presentation Framework. The link didn't have much meat about why the Macromedia CEO isn't scared of Sparkle, I note. I wonder if he had a solid-fronted podium so that the audience couldn't see his knees knocking? :) Andrew Watt In a message dated 21/10/2005 11:26:26 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I came across this Flash writeup about the keynote at MAX2005, some sort of conference ;-) . Flash people appear to feel quite confident regarding our common risk: MS's Avalon (or is it now sparkle?, or sprinkle?, or tinkle?). Also, it seems MM products are making significant headway with rich web apps. it will be interesting to see where Flash 8 goes with rich web apps. http://java.sys-con.com/read/142287.htm MAX 2005 – Where's Flash Going?: Macromedia's CEO Wows Developers, Tells Microsoft to Try Again Stephen Elop Throws Down the Gauntlet to Redmond in Day 1 Keynote Address in Anaheim, CA As anticipated by MX Developer's Journal for several weeks, Macromedia CEO Stephen Elop (pictured) used his keynote address at Day One of MAX 2005 here in Anaheim, CA, to blaze with all guns firing – Macromedia's powerful Flash and Flex guns in particular. Plus for good measure Elop delivered a combative message to Microsoft, in relation to their would-be Flash-killer, Expression Studio...Try again! In one of the most memorable statistics of the entire keynote, Elop noted that the download rate of Macromedia Flash Player 8 is now so rapid that during the course of the keynote, about 400,000 Flash Players would have been downloaded and installed. He also gave some powerful examples of Rich Internet Applications that bring real-world benefits in terms of what business likes most: profits. ... Ronan -- Ronan Oger -- Ronan Oger Vectoreal ...for scaleable solutions http://www.vectoreal.com Tel: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 ronan dot oger at vectoreal dot com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] MAX2005: Some Flash stuff ...and something about the Ele...
At 07:25 AM 10/21/2005, Ronan wrote: I wonder increasingly if our little world won't realign itself from SVG vs MM to SVG + MM vs WMF. I think if I were calling the shots for Adobe I would make SVG and Flash as allied and integrated as possible. If I were calling the shots for Microsoft, I would probably realize that it's going to take a while for Adobe/Macromedia to iron out where they stand in the SVG / Flash thing so I'd inject huge amounts of SVG into MS products -- stealing, perhaps, a bit of thunder from Flash's proprietary ubiquity. You can see from my naivete why I am in the ivory tower. Instead I'll just buy an irony board to flatten out any emergent wrinkles. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [svg-developers] MAX2005: Some Flash stuff ...and something about the Ele...
Perhaps it's optimistic of me, but I keep thinking that one of the goals of SVG was to be a vector-graphics interchange format. Not a Flash-killer, not a Sparkle-desparkler, but as an open-standard shared medium that IDEs for each could export to. Sure, there are features that are specific to each of SVG, XAML-stuff, and Flash, but there's also got to be a good bit of common ground. I'm hoping that SVG flourishes in that common ground. Regards- Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [svg-developers] MAX2005: Some Flash stuff ...and something about the Ele...
My view has been that SVGs potential is not as a Flash killer, but but a way to create documents that get the best out of XHTML, PDF and Flash - a very effective way to present information efficiently, appropriately and gracefully, which none of these three formats do now . What is wrong with that picture? Jerry Perhaps it's optimistic of me, but I keep thinking that one of the goals of SVG was to be a vector-graphics interchange format. Not a Flash-killer, not a Sparkle-desparkler, but as an open-standard shared medium that IDEs for each could export to. Sure, there are features that are specific to each of SVG, XAML-stuff, and Flash, but there's also got to be a good bit of common ground. I'm hoping that SVG flourishes in that common ground. Regards- Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developershttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership SPONSORED LINKS 'http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Computer+internet+securityw1=Computer+internet+securityw2=Computer+internet+businessw3=Computer+internet+accessw4=Computer+internet+privacy+securitiesw5=Computer+internet+helpw6=How+to+format+a+computer+hard+driComputer internet security 'http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Computer+internet+businessw1=Computer+internet+securityw2=Computer+internet+businessw3=Computer+internet+accessw4=Computer+internet+privacy+securitiesw5=Computer+internet+helpw6=How+to+format+a+computer+hard+driComputer internet business 'http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Computer+internet+accessw1=Computer+internet+securityw2=Computer+internet+businessw3=Computer+internet+accessw4=Computer+internet+privacy+securitiesw5=Computer+internet+helpw6=How+to+format+a+computer+hard+driveComputer internet access 'http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Computer+internet+privacy+securitiesw1=Computer+internet+securityw2=Computer+internet+businessw3=Computer+internet+accessw4=Computer+internet+privacy+securitiesw5=Computer+internet+helpw6=How+to+format+a+computeComputer internet privacy securities 'http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Computer+internet+helpw1=Computer+internet+securityw2=Computer+internet+businessw3=Computer+internet+accessw4=Computer+internet+privacy+securitiesw5=Computer+internet+helpw6=How+to+format+a+computer+hard+drivecComputer internet help 'http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=How+to+format+a+computer+hard+drivew1=Computer+internet+securityw2=Computer+internet+businessw3=Computer+internet+accessw4=Computer+internet+privacy+securitiesw5=Computer+internet+helpw6=How+to+format+a+computerHow to format a computer hard drive YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developerssvg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] MAX2005: Some Flash stuff ...and something about the Ele...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The link didn't have much meat about why the Macromedia CEO isn't scared of Sparkle, I note. I wonder if he had a solid-fronted podium so that the audience couldn't see his knees knocking? :) People were actually walking around on the stage, no podium. ;-) (I haven't seen much of a company stance on Sparkle or other announcements... we can see technology previews, and these have some good principles (vectors, network requests, visuals enhancing accessibility, etc), but until it's finalized and shipping things can change. Then after that there's the audience and their needs to consider...!) Ronan Oger wrote: Well, it was a keynote. The future is great. Everything is fine. I agree, there was not much meat. Maybe the keynote transcript is published somewhere with more...? If so, I am sure our MM friends will happily pass it on to us. Here's the most rigorous in-house reporting: http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/max2005/ And lots more informal reporting from various participants: http://snipurl.com/max_smartcategory (redirects to the MXNA aggregator its MAX ad-hoc category) I haven't seen text or video transcripts yet. I've scanned the various news articles (including the one which started this thread), but these are often as much about the reporter as about the event. I wonder increasingly if our little world won't realign itself from SVG vs MM to SVG + MM vs WMF. I don't have much info here, but my current personal expectation is that, some time after the Adobe deal closes, there will be some type of technology roadmap. I haven't seen much aversion to SVG at Macromedia, although this has often gotten mixed with reaction to the boo SWF bad! types of campaigns. Things seem open to me. Doug Schepers wrote: Perhaps it's optimistic of me, but I keep thinking that one of the goals of SVG was to be a vector-graphics interchange format. Not a Flash-killer, not a Sparkle-desparkler, but as an open-standard shared medium that IDEs for each could export to. Sure, there are features that are specific to each of SVG, XAML-stuff, and Flash, but there's also got to be a good bit of common ground. I'm hoping that SVG flourishes in that common ground. This sounds good to me too, thanks for writing that, Doug. :) Jerrold Maddox wrote: My view has been that SVGs potential is not as a Flash killer, but a way to create documents that get the best out of XHTML, PDF and Flash - a very effective way to present information efficiently, appropriately and gracefully, which none of these three formats do now. I'm with you on this, too. That mention of PDF is important -- I'd suspect that this format, runtime, and ecology will be quite important in any future roadmaps. jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
