Re: [swinog] Legal: Email Dienstleistung: Kunden im Ausland?
Das kann aber dann noch weitere Implikationen haben. Mal angenommen, der Kunde verlangt einen Zugang gemäss Legal Interception-Vorschriften in seinem Land. Da kann es gut möglich sein, dass diese Vorschriften Schweizer Gesetzen widersprechen. Würde dann etwa ein Kunde Deines Kunden gegen Euch klagen, weil ihr auf Schweizer Boden Schweizer Recht verletzt habt... Der Szenarien gibt es wohl viele, einfache Antworten auf Anfangsfrage aber offensichtlich nicht g.r. Am Tue, 3 Mar 2015 13:05:22 + schrieb Peter Preuss peter.pre...@vtx-telecom.ch: Grundsätzlich schon richtig von wegen den CH-Recht zu unterstehen, bloss wenn Du Deinem potentiellen Kunden etwas verkaufen willst kommst Du vermutlich nicht drum ihm dieses Problem zu lösen. Also rechtlich nicht verpflichtet fremdes Recht zu erfüllen, kommerziell wohl schon. Just my 2 cents pap -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: swinog-boun...@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-boun...@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Andreas Fink Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. März 2015 12:14 An: Benoit Panizzon Cc: swi...@swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] Legal: Email Dienstleistung: Kunden im Ausland? Als schweizer Firma unterstehst du schweizer Recht. Wenn deine Server auch in der Schweiz stehen, kann dir das Ausland egal sein. Dein Kunde wiederum kann dem ausländischen Recht unterstehen. D.h. dein Kunde muss dann ev. dafür sorgen das seine Ermittlungsbehörden zugriff kriegen, das ist dann aber nicht dein Problem. On 03 Mar 2015, at 12:04, Benoit Panizzon benoit.paniz...@imp.ch wrote: Hallo zusammen Wir bieten einen Email Hosting Service für Kunden und andere Provider an. Wir haben nun einen potentiellen Interessenten im Ausland. Einen ISP. Nun stellt sich die Frage, nach welchem Recht wir den Service erbringen müssen. Gilt, weil der Service in der Schweiz erbracht und die Mailboxen auf Storage in der Schweiz liegen, Schweizer Recht? Oder gilt, da der ISP sozusagen Reseller unserer Dienstleistungen ist, was Legal Intercept, Überwachung und Anforderung an Logging betrifft, das Recht im Land des ISP der unsere Leistung unter seinem 'Markennamen' verkauft? Was also heissen müsste, dass wir unser System möglicherweise entsprechend anpassen und entsprechende Schnittstellen für die Überwachung aus einem Drittstaat anbieten müssten? Gruss Benoit Panizzon -- I m p r o W a r e A G- __ Zurlindenstrasse 29 Tel +41 61 826 93 07 CH-4133 PrattelnFax +41 61 826 93 02 Schweiz Web http://www.imp.ch __ ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
[swinog] Switch-Issue
Hello, anybody online from Switch/Switchplus? If so, could you please contact me via private mail? Thanks Guido Rudolphi ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IP address are now personal data
If IPs are protected information, so how is this handled in E-Mails, on mailing-lists like this and alike? Have messages to be stripped off IPs before they are delivered? Who's legally responsible for protecting the data? Just an example: Company X could scan all header information from SwiNOG-list. The intention would to check who is using which ISP. Now everybody who's IP comes from company B receives a personalized e-mail with an offer to get a hosting product X cheaper. As I wrote: Just an example. Now there would clearly be a commercial intention behind processing the IPs. My understanding is, that this would be illegal for a Swiss company. But if a company abroad would do this, would it still be illegal? If so, the company couldn't be held responsible. The question is: Would, as a subsidiarily liability, the maintainer of the list or even the provider of the IPs, the ISP, be responsible for not protecting the personal data accordingly? Guido Am Wed, 8 Sep 2010 16:16:52 +0200 schrieb Pascal Gloor pascal.gl...@spale.com: I'm trying to make a list of all possible implications/problems that this ruling can make. Please send me a direct mail with your questions and I will forward them to a good lawyer (actually, the one involved in that case). So far, questions/implications I've seen or came to me are: --- Any statistics tool those results are public and contains IP addresses (webalizer for example). This case if clear to me, no need to argue. You can't publish the IPs. Ensure that you set the correct option to avoid that part of the stats or maybe there's an anonymizer flag, or maybe, don't make them public. --- Wikipedia, if hosted in Switzerland, cannot publish anymore the IP of anonymous editors. This is also a very clear case, you link the IP with an activity and are therefor protected by the law. --- Whatever Blacklists without consent of the admin of the IP.. That's an open question, these blacklists are often listing services IP (not personal computers with humans behind). I'm thinking about anti-spam blacklist, like that SwiNOG one!! I will clear that point with the lawyer. --- Complete this list please, I want to be sure we can answer all questions at one. Maybe I'll setup a page to help people to understand the implications. Pascal ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Windows-Pizza
Seems the defacers (?) are reading the Swinog-list... at least pizza-joker.com can be reached again... [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Frankly, I believe that we have a case of somebody having a grudge against somebody... Novalku.com and pizza-joker.com both are hosted at the same company in Switzerland. The company Alku GmbH in Singen most probably hasn't got any idea about this. They may be wondering that they do not get any phonecall at all ... all the calls for them are forwarded to the Swiss police, probably withouth Alku GmbH knowing this... And the pizza-joker-guys may be wondering about their business going down the drain... Either the admin of the hoster is sleeping pretty good or he is an old supporter of ol' Bill Gates... Guido Rudolphi ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Eines der ersten Urteile gegen Spamer ist draussen
It may be interesting for some of you that a lot of the new stock-spam we saw in the last couple of months is initiated by some companies in Zug. Therefore, this judgement may be of utmost interest for future cases. The new spam does not have any opt-in or opt-out option, they fake the sender address and so on. I have collected some material on the new spam-wave with bogus stock coming from Zug, and if someone is interested in using it: feel free to contact me off-list. I guess (although I'm not a lawyer) that with this judgement and the new material, it would be a perfect case against spammers Guido Am Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:11:25 +0200 schrieb Elvis Altherr [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hm, this shows clearly that judges don't know the internet mechanicms at the moment *** smile *** they're really confused about it and so the result is often a Freispruch... But allow me one question: Why do you have gave up an announcement information for this little and insignificant case? Ok i agree to fight against spammers, but this is only a fight against windmills (it's my personel oppion) regards E.Altherr ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Preventive blocking
Title: Converted from Rich Text Blocking is as well political activism as nonsense, as long as many of the childporn-sellers set up as many as 20 sites a day on yahoo. These sites are pointing on perfectly legal sites on which one can make a payment for receiving a password which enables user to get into a p2p-network where the cp-material is distributed. Furthermore: ISPs would have to update the list all day and night - a neverending job. And as long as some police departments in some other countries are setting up cp-sites as a trap and therefore are actively distributing child pornography, the whole "plan of action" as described in TV becomes pretty weird. Are elections soon? But anyway, if Cablecom _really_ wants to block all these sites, the responsible guy may contact me off-list. I'll be glad to send him may daily harvest of cp-addresses :-p guido Ursprüngliche Mitteilung Betreff: Re: [swinog] Preventive blocking Autor: Fredy Kuenzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 22. Juli 2006 18.32.21 Michel Renfer schrieb: There were a few approches until now, already with low success or technical implications (other sites also blocked, etc.) The discussion now happend on society level. Any bigger ISP will never offically reject such blocking requests for child pornography in a tv interview as this can hardly hit their image in the public. The technical questions of the blocking are completly fadet out. They didn't really care anyone. Blocking can and will definitivly not work. Endusers can implement workarrounds in less than a minute. Other questions like, who's maintaining the list etc. are not even discussed. I'm really concerned about the way that this story will/ can go... Full Ack. After this letter arrived, I wrote a blog entry:http://www.blogg.ch/index.php?/archives/444-Kampagne-Stopp-Kinderpornografie-im-Internet!-Das-Ross-wird-am-Schwanz-aufgezaeumt.html Few days later I got a call from the journalist of SF who did the reportin 10vor10. Means: the journalist was perfectly aware of all thetechnical and political issues in this case, but he masked out it completly. IMHO a bad job, 10vor10. F.___swinog mailing listswinog@lists.swinog.chhttp://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
[swinog] Wasserschaden
Title: Converted from Rich Text Hallo, hat jemand nähere Inforrmationen darüber, wie es im TIX aussieht? Lässt sich abschätzen, wie lange der Ausfall dauern wird? ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] SwiNOG # 11
reading about swiNOG #11 AND seeing this picture http://www.src.ch/galerie/galleries/SRC_2005/Souper_de_gala/SRC05_012_00693.jpg somehow this doesn't fit together ;-) guido (scnr) regards from the swiss army (wk, uem/ristl work for www.src.ch) Olivier ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] Searching an old Swisscom NT
HOW old exactly? There's one here Guido Maybe you know where I can get an old NT. -- The only person to get all of his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe. ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
