Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

[Peter von Kaehne]

On 29/12/11 09:05, David Haslam wrote:
> Thanks for the detailed explanations.

I guess this was a comment to Matej's last email rather than a facetious
one to my one-liner?

:-)

But FWIW - I would suggest that cs-utf8.conf is looked through regarding
any missed out abbreviations or abbreviations which do not make
sense/are wrong in the context of this module.

Peter

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

[David Haslam]

Yes - threaded views in email clients (or Nabble) help to contextualize such
one liners! 

It would be helpful to module developers to know where to obtain the conf
files necessary for localization of book names, etc.  

The fledgeling wiki page does not yet cover this topic.

http://crosswire.org/wiki/Localization

As you're one of those who knows where they are, perhaps you might find time
to expand on this topic in the wiki. 

This suggestion does not debar others from volunteering, of course.

David

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

[David Haslam]

Matěj Cepl wrote,

⌈ and ⌉ are more complicated. They are originally  and
 and they limit the text for which the appropriate translator
note is used. 

-

I think ⌜top corners⌝ are visually less obtrusive for this purpose than
⌈ceilings⌉, so I have included such a replacement in my derived copy of the
XML file.

I have also made the assumption that each left ⌜corner should be preceded by
a space.
Wherever a space is not already present, I have inserted one.

The lef/right counts mismatch issue is still unresolved.

I have put on hold the idea of replacing these marks by XML tags, at least
until we have a better source text, one in which there would be no conflicts
that lead to nesting errors.

David

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[sword-devel] A question about OSIS notes

[David Haslam]

Page 45 of the OSIS manual includes this observation:

"It is worth mentioning that although a *note* element is physically
contained in the OSIS document, at the point where it applies, it is not
/logically/ ‘contained’ there. For example, a user who searches for the
phrase ‘undivided devotion’ should find it in 1 Corinthians 7.35 of the NIV,
even though there is a (cross-reference) note at the end of ‘undivided,’
between the words. Software that handles such cases correctly is not
commonplace at this time; however, by using explicit XML markup to identify
relevant components such as note, such software is made feasible."

Is SWORD (& JSword) among the Bible software applications that handles such
cases correctly?

David

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Re: [sword-devel] A question about OSIS notes

[Greg Hellings]

You could easily test if this is the case by finding a phrase that
wraps around a note in one of our heavily annotated modules like the
KJV or ESV.

Remember, if you test it, that BibleTime has its own implementation of
a search engine that is separate from what SWORD provides for the rest
of the applications so you should test it independently of the others.

--Greg

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 9:38 AM, David Haslam  wrote:
> Page 45 of the OSIS manual includes this observation:
>
> "It is worth mentioning that although a *note* element is physically
> contained in the OSIS document, at the point where it applies, it is not
> /logically/ ‘contained’ there. For example, a user who searches for the
> phrase ‘undivided devotion’ should find it in 1 Corinthians 7.35 of the NIV,
> even though there is a (cross-reference) note at the end of ‘undivided,’
> between the words. Software that handles such cases correctly is not
> commonplace at this time; however, by using explicit XML markup to identify
> relevant components such as note, such software is made feasible."
>
> Is SWORD (& JSword) among the Bible software applications that handles such
> cases correctly?
>
> David
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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

[David Haslam]

Matěj Cepl wrote, " stands for em-dash;"

and the original code snippet he cited from Mark.1.1 includes,
"61,13;"

yet upon examining Matěj's OSIS file, this snippet appears as "61,13;"
rather than "61,1—3;"

It would seem that his XSLT script has not converted any of the 
to an em-dash;

Certainly, there are no "—" found anywhere in the file.

To repair such errors of omission is impossible at this end of things, not
having the original text.
It requires a fix to the XSLT script.

So although I have a working module, many of the notes must include
incorrect references.

David

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Re: [sword-devel] A question about OSIS notes

[David Haslam]

Thanks Greg,

Xiphos certainly supports it, so this means SWORD does.

As I'm working towards improving the OSIS for the CzeCSP module, that's what
I just tested.

A search for the exact phrase, "posla před" found just one hit in Mark.1.2
even though the word "posla" is followed by a note.

I also tried this with BibleDesktop, and curiously, that found three hits
for the same phrase.
Matthew 11:10, Mark 1:2, Luke 7:27

In all three verses, there is a note just after "posla".

Not sure why Xiphos didn't find two of these. Isn't that odd? 
It must mean that a SWORD search can behave different than a JSword search.

A possible clue to the difference might be that part of Luke.7.27 is within
a quote, one that surrounds more than the text which contains the search
item.

To je ten, o němž jenapsáno: Hle, posílám
svého poslaMk 1,2 před tvou tváří,
kterýupravítvou cestu před tebou.
Ex 23,20; Mal 3,1


Likewise for Matt.11.10 

To je ten, o němž jenapsáno: Hle, já
posílám svého poslaMk 1,2 před tvou tváří,
kterýupravítvou cestu před tebou.
Ex 23,20; Mal 3,1


For Mark.1.2 the search item is ALSO within a quote, but the  tag is in
the next verse Mark.1.3 

Jak⌝n.: , byl podle toho,
jak jenapsáno ⌜v proroku Izaiášovi⌝:var.: v prorocích Hle, [já]posílám svého poslař. angelos zvěstovatel může označovat nejen
duchovní bytost, ale také člověka poslaného Bohem před tvou tváří,
kterýupravítvou cestu [před
tebou].Ex 23,20; Mal 3,1; Mt 11,10
Hlas
volajícího v pustině: Připravte Pánovu cestu, vyrovnávejte jeho stezky.



Little did I realize where it would lead, just by asking a question to
follow my curiosity.

I hope this prompts some examination of the SWORD search algorithm.

My XML file is valid OSIS, and there are no error messages output during
module build.

David

PS. At present, I don't have BibleTime installed.





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Re: [sword-devel] ISV Old Testament

[Martin Denham]

I managed to find the ISV 2.0 Word docs - docm, docx, and doc - on an
archived version of isv.org.  If anybody would like them I can send a link.

The docs are about a year old, include the OT, NT, footnotes, introductory
text, and appendixes.

Best regards
Martin


On 17 September 2011 13:38, Chris Little  wrote:

>
>
> On 9/17/11 4:52 AM, David Haslam wrote:
>
>> There are two editions of the ISV (for the CadreBible version, at least).
>>
>> * The free ISV edition without footnotes or maps
>> * The premium ISV edition with footnotes and maps
>>
>> Presumably, you have the MS Word file for the free edition only (so far)?
>>
>
> Formerly, there was only one version available (with notes). To not
> include notes, you would have to specifically exclude them or be too lazy
> to do a proper conversion of the text. Now it looks like they have taken
> their Word docs down from the site--I'm not specifically sure why. Maybe it
> just moved, and I don't see it.
>
>
>  Do you (or does anyone on this list) have direct contact with the
>> webmaster
>> for isv.org ?
>>
>
> Sure. There are some email addresses on their website too.
>
>
>  With several electronic editions being available for more than one
>> platform,
>> I find it hard to imagine that they'd have MS Word as their controlled
>> electronic source text.
>>
>
> It really is maintained in Word. I guess it made sense at the time they
> started translation, and I'm sure it suits their translation process fine.
> They also have PDFs, of course. ;)
>
> --Chris
>
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