Re: [sword-devel] New Latvian NT looks weird
It's sad that we don't yet have the complete Bible. The module requests page in our wiki includes: The complete Latvian Bible (1997). Currently, the Latvian version which is on the CrossWire repository is NT only, and is not commonly used. /Jānis Veinbergs has sent an email to the Latvian Bible Society/. Has there been any further response? cf. Jānis Veinbergs last wrote to this mailing list in January 2010. Maybe Martin's Latvian contact could volunteer to pursue the copyright lobbying on behalf of CrossWire? David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/New-Latvian-NT-looks-weird-tp3951556p4034144.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] New Latvian NT looks weird
Hi, A Latvian contact (Martins) has been using the updated module and he is very pleased - everything looks good. Thanks Martin On 2 November 2011 08:31, Chris Little chris...@crosswire.org wrote: From the sound of it, there was some problem with an older version of the .conf with the newer module files. I'm not sure whether that was somehow my fault (due to the way the files get noticed/announced/packaged by the server) or if it indicates a bug in an install manager that is allowing older .confs to stay installed after they were suppose to be updated. Feedback from Latvian users would be great, but this should be identical to the module that appeared in the beta repository, so if that was satisfactory, this should be too. --Chris On 11/1/2011 12:51 PM, Martin Denham wrote: Thanks for the input everybody however for some reason the Latvian NT now seems to have started displaying correctly on And Bible but I don't know why. I tried various things this evening i) manually installing directly from sword/raw instead of rawzip but the display was still incorrect ii) specifying specific Latvian fonts and the display was still wrong iii) at some point I restarted and the display improved iv) removed the Latvian fonts and restarted and then the display was perfect. I will ask a Latvian user to take a look. Thanks also to whoever did all the fixes to the Latvian NT. Thanks Martin __**_ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/**mailman/listinfo/sword-develhttp://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] New Latvian NT looks weird
From the sound of it, there was some problem with an older version of the .conf with the newer module files. I'm not sure whether that was somehow my fault (due to the way the files get noticed/announced/packaged by the server) or if it indicates a bug in an install manager that is allowing older .confs to stay installed after they were suppose to be updated. Feedback from Latvian users would be great, but this should be identical to the module that appeared in the beta repository, so if that was satisfactory, this should be too. --Chris On 11/1/2011 12:51 PM, Martin Denham wrote: Thanks for the input everybody however for some reason the Latvian NT now seems to have started displaying correctly on And Bible but I don't know why. I tried various things this evening i) manually installing directly from sword/raw instead of rawzip but the display was still incorrect ii) specifying specific Latvian fonts and the display was still wrong iii) at some point I restarted and the display improved iv) removed the Latvian fonts and restarted and then the display was perfect. I will ask a Latvian user to take a look. Thanks also to whoever did all the fixes to the Latvian NT. Thanks Martin ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] New Latvian NT looks weird
No. What is in attic was formerly in public. What is in public was formerly in beta. 1.3 was a version that appeared only in beta and was updated to 1.4 as a result of bug reports. --Chris On 10/31/11 12:50 PM, Martin Denham wrote: Is there a copy of 1.3 anywhere? Only 1.1 is in the attic. Martin On 30 October 2011 05:40, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm mailto:jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 10/29/2011 01:36 PM, David Haslam wrote: Jonathan - why the reference to Latvian version 1.1 ? No specific version or specific repository was stated. So, I (perhaps naively?) did the obvious quick test, and just installed the version currently in the repository. I then noted the version I had tested, in part as a gentle hint that specifying versions is a good idea in this kind of discussion and testing :) Martin was referring to the new module (which according to the conf file is SwordVersionDate=2011-10-26 and Version=1.4 Referring to modules under test as the new module and the previous version is, IMO, potentially ambiguous... for improved clarity, I'd suggest either the module name and version, or a URL pointing to where it can be downloaded, so others can easily test with the exact same file. Jonathan ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] New Latvian NT looks weird
Thanks for the input everybody however for some reason the Latvian NT now seems to have started displaying correctly on And Bible but I don't know why. I tried various things this evening i) manually installing directly from sword/raw instead of rawzip but the display was still incorrect ii) specifying specific Latvian fonts and the display was still wrong iii) at some point I restarted and the display improved iv) removed the Latvian fonts and restarted and then the display was perfect. I will ask a Latvian user to take a look. Thanks also to whoever did all the fixes to the Latvian NT. Thanks Martin On 1 November 2011 07:23, Chris Little chris...@crosswire.org wrote: No. What is in attic was formerly in public. What is in public was formerly in beta. 1.3 was a version that appeared only in beta and was updated to 1.4 as a result of bug reports. --Chris On 10/31/11 12:50 PM, Martin Denham wrote: Is there a copy of 1.3 anywhere? Only 1.1 is in the attic. Martin On 30 October 2011 05:40, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm mailto:jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 10/29/2011 01:36 PM, David Haslam wrote: Jonathan - why the reference to Latvian version 1.1 ? No specific version or specific repository was stated. So, I (perhaps naively?) did the obvious quick test, and just installed the version currently in the repository. I then noted the version I had tested, in part as a gentle hint that specifying versions is a good idea in this kind of discussion and testing :) Martin was referring to the new module (which according to the conf file is SwordVersionDate=2011-10-26 and Version=1.4 Referring to modules under test as the new module and the previous version is, IMO, potentially ambiguous... for improved clarity, I'd suggest either the module name and version, or a URL pointing to where it can be downloaded, so others can easily test with the exact same file. Jonathan __**_ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.**org sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/**mailman/listinfo/sword-develhttp://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page __**_ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/**mailman/listinfo/sword-develhttp://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page __**_ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/**mailman/listinfo/sword-develhttp://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] New Latvian NT looks weird
Is there a copy of 1.3 anywhere? Only 1.1 is in the attic. Martin On 30 October 2011 05:40, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 10/29/2011 01:36 PM, David Haslam wrote: Jonathan - why the reference to Latvian version 1.1 ? No specific version or specific repository was stated. So, I (perhaps naively?) did the obvious quick test, and just installed the version currently in the repository. I then noted the version I had tested, in part as a gentle hint that specifying versions is a good idea in this kind of discussion and testing :) Martin was referring to the new module (which according to the conf file is SwordVersionDate=2011-10-26 and Version=1.4 Referring to modules under test as the new module and the previous version is, IMO, potentially ambiguous... for improved clarity, I'd suggest either the module name and version, or a URL pointing to where it can be downloaded, so others can easily test with the exact same file. Jonathan ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] New Latvian NT looks weird
On 10/29/2011 12:40 PM, Martin Denham wrote: The new version of the Latvian NT seems very unusual with lots of unexpected characters when displayed in And Bible. Could somebody check it? It (Latvian New Testament, version 1.1) looks similarly mangled in both diatheke and BibleTime 2.8.1 under Linux here. Maybe some kind of character set conversion issue?? Jonathan ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] New Latvian NT looks weird
Martin, The one documented change between v1.3 and 1.4 related to fixing references. An undocumented change is that many verses now have some blanks at end of line. The module displays OK in Xiphos. Does And Bible have a problem with [any of] these characters: 000100 Ā LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH MACRON 114 000101 ā LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH MACRON23,615 00010C Č LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C WITH CARON 4 00010D č LATIN SMALL LETTER C WITH CARON 157 000112 Ē LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E WITH MACRON 28 000113 ē LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH MACRON13,501 000122 Ģ LATIN CAPITAL LETTER G WITH CEDILLA 5 000123 ģ LATIN SMALL LETTER G WITH CEDILLA 429 00012A Ī LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH MACRON 21 00012B ī LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH MACRON14,677 000136 Ķ LATIN CAPITAL LETTER K WITH CEDILLA 34 000137 ķ LATIN SMALL LETTER K WITH CEDILLA 612 00013B Ļ LATIN CAPITAL LETTER L WITH CEDILLA 13 00013C ļ LATIN SMALL LETTER L WITH CEDILLA 2,877 000145 Ņ LATIN CAPITAL LETTER N WITH CEDILLA 15 000146 ņ LATIN SMALL LETTER N WITH CEDILLA 7,863 000160 Š LATIN CAPITAL LETTER S WITH CARON 152 000161 š LATIN SMALL LETTER S WITH CARON 6,814 00016A Ū LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U WITH MACRON 2 00016B ū LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH MACRON5,772 00017D Ž LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Z WITH CARON 16 00017E ž LATIN SMALL LETTER Z WITH CARON 946 David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/New-Latvian-NT-looks-weird-tp3951556p3951598.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] New Latvian NT looks weird
The character frequencies in my earlier reply were based on the output of diatheke.exe Are we sure this is not just a fonts issue on your platforms? David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/New-Latvian-NT-looks-weird-tp3951556p3951603.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] New Latvian NT looks weird
The previous version worked fine on And Bible. Martin On 29 October 2011 21:08, David Haslam dfh...@googlemail.com wrote: The character frequencies in my earlier reply were based on the output of diatheke.exe Are we sure this is not just a fonts issue on your platforms? David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/New-Latvian-NT-looks-weird-tp3951556p3951603.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] New Latvian NT looks weird
Jonathan - why the reference to Latvian version 1.1 ? Martin was referring to the new module (which according to the conf file is SwordVersionDate=2011-10-26 and Version=1.4 David PS. One further difference I just spotted is that milestones were used for chapter elements. They weren't as far as I could tell for version 1.3 This change is not textual, so it would not have affected display of characters. -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/New-Latvian-NT-looks-weird-tp3951556p3951673.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] New Latvian NT looks weird
Here is a link to a screen-print so you can see what it looks like: https://github.com/mjdenham/and-bible/raw/master/IgnoreAndBibleExperiments/temp/LatvianNT.png I checked the conf file and it is version 1.4. Martin On 29 October 2011 21:36, David Haslam dfh...@googlemail.com wrote: Jonathan - why the reference to Latvian version 1.1 ? Martin was referring to the new module (which according to the conf file is SwordVersionDate=2011-10-26 and Version=1.4 David PS. One further difference I just spotted is that milestones were used for chapter elements. They weren't as far as I could tell for version 1.3 This change is not textual, so it would not have affected display of characters. -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/New-Latvian-NT-looks-weird-tp3951556p3951673.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] New Latvian NT looks weird
Martin, Thanks for posting an image. What you are seeing in AndBible is definitely wrong. Using the nightly build of Bible Desktop, it looks correct. I compared it to an independent website. I think that for whatever reason, the code is interpreting it as cp1252, not UTF-8. The conf clearly gives the encoding as UTF-8. In Him, DM On Oct 29, 2011, at 5:55 PM, Martin Denham wrote: Here is a link to a screen-print so you can see what it looks like: https://github.com/mjdenham/and-bible/raw/master/IgnoreAndBibleExperiments/temp/LatvianNT.png I checked the conf file and it is version 1.4. Martin On 29 October 2011 21:36, David Haslam dfh...@googlemail.com wrote: Jonathan - why the reference to Latvian version 1.1 ? Martin was referring to the new module (which according to the conf file is SwordVersionDate=2011-10-26 and Version=1.4 David PS. One further difference I just spotted is that milestones were used for chapter elements. They weren't as far as I could tell for version 1.3 This change is not textual, so it would not have affected display of characters. -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/New-Latvian-NT-looks-weird-tp3951556p3951673.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] New Latvian NT looks weird
On 10/29/2011 01:36 PM, David Haslam wrote: Jonathan - why the reference to Latvian version 1.1 ? No specific version or specific repository was stated. So, I (perhaps naively?) did the obvious quick test, and just installed the version currently in the repository. I then noted the version I had tested, in part as a gentle hint that specifying versions is a good idea in this kind of discussion and testing :) Martin was referring to the new module (which according to the conf file is SwordVersionDate=2011-10-26 and Version=1.4 Referring to modules under test as the new module and the previous version is, IMO, potentially ambiguous... for improved clarity, I'd suggest either the module name and version, or a URL pointing to where it can be downloaded, so others can easily test with the exact same file. Jonathan ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
