[symfony-users] Re: Overwrite Security Actions Settings
Hi, thank you for your comment. All I asked for was whether it is possible to configure it or not. It seems it is not. That's ok. I did not intend to question any best practices or anybody's use of Symfony while showing up my use of it (though I think my approach to use same code in different applications with the option of customization is quite common). I am a lucky guy because Symfony allows me to do so. But for me, arguing with best practices and "the way one should/should not use Symfony" is not the way to honor this great framework. So no need to bloat up this thread any more. Thanks! Jan On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:06:39 +0100, Gareth McCumskey wrote: > Symfony is designed so that your modules provide the distinct functional > seperations, and plugins are designed to be an extension of your modules. > Sure, you can create plugins that essentially creates a functionally > seperate set of features for you like a module but it doesn't necessarily > mean you should. > > Generally you should only have one module related to authentication > mechanisms. If you need a seperation of concerns there you should be > using > multiple applications in your project for that seperation, each then > having > its own authentication mechanisms. > > Breaking the best practices of symfony is not really a good idea as then > you > will have problems (like this one) when trying to implement functionality > within symfony designed to be used a different way. > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:53 AM, jp wrote: > >> >> >> Hi, >> >> thank you for all comments so far. First let me say, that I >> was not able to configure different/"overwrite" login modules >> at all. No *.yml I used did that. Might be I missed something. >> I also did not try to 'hack' it into the configuration while >> runtime. And whether this should be possible or not in Symfony >> is to be discussed in another list I think. >> >> Thank you XAN for your explanations, but you would not have to do >> that for me... ;-) So to get you at this point, my applications are >> made of plug-ins where the apps' modules are only for customization >> for different customers. So for me, applications are just >> "composed instances" and plug-ins make the application stuff. >> But that's not the point. Plug-ins handle so much different things >> that do also include different "semantic user contexts". So for >> different user types/roles in a "composed application" I need to >> set-up different Symfony contexts. And I want to do that by "separating >> concerns" in separate modules of my several plug-ins. I do not want to >> stick on the one globally configured login method (which is in a plug-in >> module though), you see? That's it, not more. >> >> So I now do that by "catching my semantic contexts" in the globally (app >> level) >> configured login action and redirect to my special ones having their own >> templates >> too. That is not such a problem, but it could be easier: by >> configuration... >> >> Thanks you! >> Jan >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:15:47 +0100, XAH wrote: >> >> > >> > My english is not good enough but i'll try to tell about some usefull >> > concepts in symfony (i'm symfony developer for the last almost 3 >> > years). >> > >> > Module in application is the thing that do some determinate work in >> > application (set of actions). For example, security module - do login >> > and logout stuff. Application - set of modules that provide >> > determinate context. IMHO in one context cannot be more than one >> > different ways to decide how to authorize users. So, the question that >> > must worry you is not "how to use different login modules" but "why do >> > you want to use different login modules" >> > >> > On 12 ноя, 00:30, jp wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> security actions are defined in apps/myapp/settings.yml >> >> Is it possible to overwrite those settings for a module >> >> so I can have different login modules etc. ? >> >> I tried settings.yml and app.yml in mymodule/config >> >> containing >> >> >> >> all: >> >>.actions: >> >> login_module: xyz >> >> login_action: xyz >> >> secure_module: xyz >> >> secure_action: xyz >> >> >> >> With no success. Do you have any ideas? >> >> >> >> Thank you! >> >> Jan >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "symfony users" group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[symfony-users] Re: Overwrite Security Actions Settings
Symfony is designed so that your modules provide the distinct functional seperations, and plugins are designed to be an extension of your modules. Sure, you can create plugins that essentially creates a functionally seperate set of features for you like a module but it doesn't necessarily mean you should. Generally you should only have one module related to authentication mechanisms. If you need a seperation of concerns there you should be using multiple applications in your project for that seperation, each then having its own authentication mechanisms. Breaking the best practices of symfony is not really a good idea as then you will have problems (like this one) when trying to implement functionality within symfony designed to be used a different way. On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:53 AM, jp wrote: > > > Hi, > > thank you for all comments so far. First let me say, that I > was not able to configure different/"overwrite" login modules > at all. No *.yml I used did that. Might be I missed something. > I also did not try to 'hack' it into the configuration while > runtime. And whether this should be possible or not in Symfony > is to be discussed in another list I think. > > Thank you XAN for your explanations, but you would not have to do > that for me... ;-) So to get you at this point, my applications are > made of plug-ins where the apps' modules are only for customization > for different customers. So for me, applications are just > "composed instances" and plug-ins make the application stuff. > But that's not the point. Plug-ins handle so much different things > that do also include different "semantic user contexts". So for > different user types/roles in a "composed application" I need to > set-up different Symfony contexts. And I want to do that by "separating > concerns" in separate modules of my several plug-ins. I do not want to > stick on the one globally configured login method (which is in a plug-in > module though), you see? That's it, not more. > > So I now do that by "catching my semantic contexts" in the globally (app > level) > configured login action and redirect to my special ones having their own > templates > too. That is not such a problem, but it could be easier: by > configuration... > > Thanks you! > Jan > > > > > On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:15:47 +0100, XAH wrote: > > > > > My english is not good enough but i'll try to tell about some usefull > > concepts in symfony (i'm symfony developer for the last almost 3 > > years). > > > > Module in application is the thing that do some determinate work in > > application (set of actions). For example, security module - do login > > and logout stuff. Application - set of modules that provide > > determinate context. IMHO in one context cannot be more than one > > different ways to decide how to authorize users. So, the question that > > must worry you is not "how to use different login modules" but "why do > > you want to use different login modules" > > > > On 12 ноя, 00:30, jp wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> security actions are defined in apps/myapp/settings.yml > >> Is it possible to overwrite those settings for a module > >> so I can have different login modules etc. ? > >> I tried settings.yml and app.yml in mymodule/config > >> containing > >> > >> all: > >>.actions: > >> login_module: xyz > >> login_action: xyz > >> secure_module: xyz > >> secure_action: xyz > >> > >> With no success. Do you have any ideas? > >> > >> Thank you! > >> Jan > > > > > > > > > > -- Gareth McCumskey http://garethmccumskey.blogspot.com twitter: @garethmcc --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "symfony users" group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[symfony-users] Re: Overwrite Security Actions Settings
Hi, thank you for all comments so far. First let me say, that I was not able to configure different/"overwrite" login modules at all. No *.yml I used did that. Might be I missed something. I also did not try to 'hack' it into the configuration while runtime. And whether this should be possible or not in Symfony is to be discussed in another list I think. Thank you XAN for your explanations, but you would not have to do that for me... ;-) So to get you at this point, my applications are made of plug-ins where the apps' modules are only for customization for different customers. So for me, applications are just "composed instances" and plug-ins make the application stuff. But that's not the point. Plug-ins handle so much different things that do also include different "semantic user contexts". So for different user types/roles in a "composed application" I need to set-up different Symfony contexts. And I want to do that by "separating concerns" in separate modules of my several plug-ins. I do not want to stick on the one globally configured login method (which is in a plug-in module though), you see? That's it, not more. So I now do that by "catching my semantic contexts" in the globally (app level) configured login action and redirect to my special ones having their own templates too. That is not such a problem, but it could be easier: by configuration... Thanks you! Jan On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:15:47 +0100, XAH wrote: > > My english is not good enough but i'll try to tell about some usefull > concepts in symfony (i'm symfony developer for the last almost 3 > years). > > Module in application is the thing that do some determinate work in > application (set of actions). For example, security module - do login > and logout stuff. Application - set of modules that provide > determinate context. IMHO in one context cannot be more than one > different ways to decide how to authorize users. So, the question that > must worry you is not "how to use different login modules" but "why do > you want to use different login modules" > > On 12 ноя, 00:30, jp wrote: >> Hi, >> >> security actions are defined in apps/myapp/settings.yml >> Is it possible to overwrite those settings for a module >> so I can have different login modules etc. ? >> I tried settings.yml and app.yml in mymodule/config >> containing >> >> all: >>.actions: >> login_module: xyz >> login_action: xyz >> secure_module: xyz >> secure_action: xyz >> >> With no success. Do you have any ideas? >> >> Thank you! >> Jan > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "symfony users" group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[symfony-users] Re: Overwrite Security Actions Settings
My english is not good enough but i'll try to tell about some usefull concepts in symfony (i'm symfony developer for the last almost 3 years). Module in application is the thing that do some determinate work in application (set of actions). For example, security module - do login and logout stuff. Application - set of modules that provide determinate context. IMHO in one context cannot be more than one different ways to decide how to authorize users. So, the question that must worry you is not "how to use different login modules" but "why do you want to use different login modules" On 12 ноя, 00:30, jp wrote: > Hi, > > security actions are defined in apps/myapp/settings.yml > Is it possible to overwrite those settings for a module > so I can have different login modules etc. ? > I tried settings.yml and app.yml in mymodule/config > containing > > all: > .actions: > login_module: xyz > login_action: xyz > secure_module: xyz > secure_action: xyz > > With no success. Do you have any ideas? > > Thank you! > Jan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "symfony users" group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[symfony-users] Re: Overwrite Security Actions Settings
Maybe security.yml ? Otherwise you could custom your login action to redirect to another one or set custom template :-) Keep us posted, Adrien On 11 nov, 19:30, jp wrote: > Hi, > > security actions are defined in apps/myapp/settings.yml > Is it possible to overwrite those settings for a module > so I can have different login modules etc. ? > I tried settings.yml and app.yml in mymodule/config > containing > > all: > .actions: > login_module: xyz > login_action: xyz > secure_module: xyz > secure_action: xyz > > With no success. Do you have any ideas? > > Thank you! > Jan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "symfony users" group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
