[symfony-users] Re: how to install a symfony website
No it wouldn't. Wordpress is a CRM system at its heart and thats really all its there for. symfony is much lower level than that and you cannot have a generic installer created for it because there are far too many possible variables to consider and so many different ways you can develop an application with symfony that a single installer would never be able to meet all the demands of the developers. THATS why symfony is popular, because it isn't a CRM application, and it allows you to do far more the way you want for your own needs, including how you want to deploy it. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Sid Bachtiar sid.bacht...@gmail.com wrote: sf provides all the parts to make installers - you just need to glue 'em together. Correct! And it would make it easier to spread Symfony to the mass if it has a generic installer built in. I know, I know, what don't I build it myself? I'd like to, but at the moment I'm pretty stretched out. But it also good to talk about it first, someone might points out why this is difficult, etc, etc. A Symfony open source project called Siwapp (an invoicing system) tried/tries/trying to have this kind of installer (www.siwapp.org). Kind regards, Sid On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:09 PM, david da...@inspiredthinking.co.uk wrote: Wordpress is an application, Symfony is a framework that you can use to build applications. sf provides all the parts to make installers - you just need to glue 'em together. On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:32:18 +0200, Jake Barnes lkrub...@geocities.com wrote: On Oct 5, 2:54 am, Eno symb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Sid Bachtiar wrote: I was trying to look something more for non-developer. Let's say I developed a website then when I give the source code to my client (who isn't computer illiterate, but is not familiar with Symfony); at the moment I'll have to teach them a lot of things on how to install/deploy, symfony commands (clear cache), how to change database settings, and so on. Frankly, what you're asking makes no sense. Deploying a web site is not something you can just give to someone who is not technical. One of the big weaknesses of Symfony is that it can not be deployed as easily as WordPress. The fact that non-technical people have an easy time installing WordPress gives WordPress much of its presence on the web scene. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- Blue Horn Ltd - System Development http://bluehorn.co.nz -- Gareth McCumskey http://garethmccumskey.blogspot.com twitter: @garethmcc --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[symfony-users] Re: how to install a symfony website
A generic installer would be something like: - System checks environment requirements, the usual: php version, apache version, mod rewrite, gd (plugins may add more requirements) - User enter database name, user, password - System creates necessary database structures (table, etc, etc) - System check that cache, log, and upload folder are writable (plugins may register additional folder) I'm sure there'll be a couple more, but they would still be pretty generic. Yes, a Symfony app can be more specialised and more complex, but I'd say most Symfony apps we develop can use such generic installer almost out of the box. Just like so many projects have benefited from sfGuardPlugin, even though not necessarily that ALL projects use sfGuardPlugin. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Gareth McCumskey gmccums...@gmail.com wrote: No it wouldn't. Wordpress is a CRM system at its heart and thats really all its there for. symfony is much lower level than that and you cannot have a generic installer created for it because there are far too many possible variables to consider and so many different ways you can develop an application with symfony that a single installer would never be able to meet all the demands of the developers. THATS why symfony is popular, because it isn't a CRM application, and it allows you to do far more the way you want for your own needs, including how you want to deploy it. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Sid Bachtiar sid.bacht...@gmail.com wrote: sf provides all the parts to make installers - you just need to glue 'em together. Correct! And it would make it easier to spread Symfony to the mass if it has a generic installer built in. I know, I know, what don't I build it myself? I'd like to, but at the moment I'm pretty stretched out. But it also good to talk about it first, someone might points out why this is difficult, etc, etc. A Symfony open source project called Siwapp (an invoicing system) tried/tries/trying to have this kind of installer (www.siwapp.org). Kind regards, Sid On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:09 PM, david da...@inspiredthinking.co.uk wrote: Wordpress is an application, Symfony is a framework that you can use to build applications. sf provides all the parts to make installers - you just need to glue 'em together. On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:32:18 +0200, Jake Barnes lkrub...@geocities.com wrote: On Oct 5, 2:54 am, Eno symb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Sid Bachtiar wrote: I was trying to look something more for non-developer. Let's say I developed a website then when I give the source code to my client (who isn't computer illiterate, but is not familiar with Symfony); at the moment I'll have to teach them a lot of things on how to install/deploy, symfony commands (clear cache), how to change database settings, and so on. Frankly, what you're asking makes no sense. Deploying a web site is not something you can just give to someone who is not technical. One of the big weaknesses of Symfony is that it can not be deployed as easily as WordPress. The fact that non-technical people have an easy time installing WordPress gives WordPress much of its presence on the web scene. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- Blue Horn Ltd - System Development http://bluehorn.co.nz -- Gareth McCumskey http://garethmccumskey.blogspot.com twitter: @garethmcc -- Blue Horn Ltd - System Development http://bluehorn.co.nz --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[symfony-users] Re: how to install a symfony website
To answer your comments: - symfony project:permissions sets all correct permissions - There is a symfony script check_configuration.php as a part of the library that can be run to check that all required dependencies are met. - symfony configure:database allows you to change connection settings for a database - symfony propel:build-* and insert-* functions do all the db-admin you need But what if your specific application wanted to do only a subset of these? What if you have other directories set by other libraries you use, that need different permissions? What about multiple databases? What if you need to have a specific PHP module installed for functionality that you have included? There are many more caveats. Its not really as simple as you make it sound. And all of those differences I just mentioned occur with an application we have just recently made available to our customers. I am not attacking you, just trying to point out why a generic deployment script would be a difficult thing to do as no two projects are alike. On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Sid Bachtiar sid.bacht...@gmail.com wrote: A generic installer would be something like: - System checks environment requirements, the usual: php version, apache version, mod rewrite, gd (plugins may add more requirements) - User enter database name, user, password - System creates necessary database structures (table, etc, etc) - System check that cache, log, and upload folder are writable (plugins may register additional folder) I'm sure there'll be a couple more, but they would still be pretty generic. Yes, a Symfony app can be more specialised and more complex, but I'd say most Symfony apps we develop can use such generic installer almost out of the box. Just like so many projects have benefited from sfGuardPlugin, even though not necessarily that ALL projects use sfGuardPlugin. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Gareth McCumskey gmccums...@gmail.com wrote: No it wouldn't. Wordpress is a CRM system at its heart and thats really all its there for. symfony is much lower level than that and you cannot have a generic installer created for it because there are far too many possible variables to consider and so many different ways you can develop an application with symfony that a single installer would never be able to meet all the demands of the developers. THATS why symfony is popular, because it isn't a CRM application, and it allows you to do far more the way you want for your own needs, including how you want to deploy it. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Sid Bachtiar sid.bacht...@gmail.com wrote: sf provides all the parts to make installers - you just need to glue 'em together. Correct! And it would make it easier to spread Symfony to the mass if it has a generic installer built in. I know, I know, what don't I build it myself? I'd like to, but at the moment I'm pretty stretched out. But it also good to talk about it first, someone might points out why this is difficult, etc, etc. A Symfony open source project called Siwapp (an invoicing system) tried/tries/trying to have this kind of installer (www.siwapp.org). Kind regards, Sid On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:09 PM, david da...@inspiredthinking.co.uk wrote: Wordpress is an application, Symfony is a framework that you can use to build applications. sf provides all the parts to make installers - you just need to glue 'em together. On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:32:18 +0200, Jake Barnes lkrub...@geocities.com wrote: On Oct 5, 2:54 am, Eno symb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Sid Bachtiar wrote: I was trying to look something more for non-developer. Let's say I developed a website then when I give the source code to my client (who isn't computer illiterate, but is not familiar with Symfony); at the moment I'll have to teach them a lot of things on how to install/deploy, symfony commands (clear cache), how to change database settings, and so on. Frankly, what you're asking makes no sense. Deploying a web site is not something you can just give to someone who is not technical. One of the big weaknesses of Symfony is that it can not be deployed as easily as WordPress. The fact that non-technical people have an easy time installing WordPress gives WordPress much of its presence on the web scene. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- Blue Horn Ltd - System Development http://bluehorn.co.nz -- Gareth McCumskey http://garethmccumskey.blogspot.com twitter: @garethmcc -- Blue Horn Ltd - System Development http://bluehorn.co.nz -- Gareth McCumskey http://garethmccumskey.blogspot.com twitter: @garethmcc --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this
[symfony-users] Re: how to install a symfony website
The current installer option pretty much allows all that now very simply via the installer and a terminal window. Unless you're thinking of something along the lines of a web installer or have some other scenario in mind. You just need to supplement things with a bootstrap.sh script that: - creates lib/vendor - downloads/extracts or svn export http://svn.symfony-project.com/branches/version - calls symfony generate:project --installer=[PATH|URL]/sfInstaller.php sfInstaller.php does the rest (http://www.symfony-project.org/blog/2009/06/10/new-in-symfony-1-3-project-creation-customization). You can prompt the user for everything you need (DB name, username, etc) and call any tasks (Doctrine:build-all-reload, project:permissions). The only option that might be missing is that there isn't a check_config task from within the framework/installer - so you can't run a self-check. On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:42:57 +0200, Sid Bachtiar sid.bacht...@gmail.com wrote: A generic installer would be something like: - System checks environment requirements, the usual: php version, apache version, mod rewrite, gd (plugins may add more requirements) - User enter database name, user, password - System creates necessary database structures (table, etc, etc) - System check that cache, log, and upload folder are writable (plugins may register additional folder) I'm sure there'll be a couple more, but they would still be pretty generic. Yes, a Symfony app can be more specialised and more complex, but I'd say most Symfony apps we develop can use such generic installer almost out of the box. Just like so many projects have benefited from sfGuardPlugin, even though not necessarily that ALL projects use sfGuardPlugin. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Gareth McCumskey gmccums...@gmail.com wrote: No it wouldn't. Wordpress is a CRM system at its heart and thats really all its there for. symfony is much lower level than that and you cannot have a generic installer created for it because there are far too many possible variables to consider and so many different ways you can develop an application with symfony that a single installer would never be able to meet all the demands of the developers. THATS why symfony is popular, because it isn't a CRM application, and it allows you to do far more the way you want for your own needs, including how you want to deploy it. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Sid Bachtiar sid.bacht...@gmail.com wrote: sf provides all the parts to make installers - you just need to glue 'em together. Correct! And it would make it easier to spread Symfony to the mass if it has a generic installer built in. I know, I know, what don't I build it myself? I'd like to, but at the moment I'm pretty stretched out. But it also good to talk about it first, someone might points out why this is difficult, etc, etc. A Symfony open source project called Siwapp (an invoicing system) tried/tries/trying to have this kind of installer (www.siwapp.org). Kind regards, Sid On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:09 PM, david da...@inspiredthinking.co.uk wrote: Wordpress is an application, Symfony is a framework that you can use to build applications. sf provides all the parts to make installers - you just need to glue 'em together. On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:32:18 +0200, Jake Barnes lkrub...@geocities.com wrote: On Oct 5, 2:54 am, Eno symb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Sid Bachtiar wrote: I was trying to look something more for non-developer. Let's say I developed a website then when I give the source code to my client (who isn't computer illiterate, but is not familiar with Symfony); at the moment I'll have to teach them a lot of things on how to install/deploy, symfony commands (clear cache), how to change database settings, and so on. Frankly, what you're asking makes no sense. Deploying a web site is not something you can just give to someone who is not technical. One of the big weaknesses of Symfony is that it can not be deployed as easily as WordPress. The fact that non-technical people have an easy time installing WordPress gives WordPress much of its presence on the web scene. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- Blue Horn Ltd - System Development http://bluehorn.co.nz -- Gareth McCumskey http://garethmccumskey.blogspot.com twitter: @garethmcc -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at
[symfony-users] Re: how to install a symfony website
Generic doesn't mean it will cater for all situation. If it can cater for even 50% of all projects, it will be a very successful generic tool. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:54 AM, Gareth McCumskey gmccums...@gmail.com wrote: To answer your comments: - symfony project:permissions sets all correct permissions - There is a symfony script check_configuration.php as a part of the library that can be run to check that all required dependencies are met. - symfony configure:database allows you to change connection settings for a database - symfony propel:build-* and insert-* functions do all the db-admin you need But what if your specific application wanted to do only a subset of these? What if you have other directories set by other libraries you use, that need different permissions? What about multiple databases? What if you need to have a specific PHP module installed for functionality that you have included? There are many more caveats. Its not really as simple as you make it sound. And all of those differences I just mentioned occur with an application we have just recently made available to our customers. I am not attacking you, just trying to point out why a generic deployment script would be a difficult thing to do as no two projects are alike. On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Sid Bachtiar sid.bacht...@gmail.com wrote: A generic installer would be something like: - System checks environment requirements, the usual: php version, apache version, mod rewrite, gd (plugins may add more requirements) - User enter database name, user, password - System creates necessary database structures (table, etc, etc) - System check that cache, log, and upload folder are writable (plugins may register additional folder) I'm sure there'll be a couple more, but they would still be pretty generic. Yes, a Symfony app can be more specialised and more complex, but I'd say most Symfony apps we develop can use such generic installer almost out of the box. Just like so many projects have benefited from sfGuardPlugin, even though not necessarily that ALL projects use sfGuardPlugin. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Gareth McCumskey gmccums...@gmail.com wrote: No it wouldn't. Wordpress is a CRM system at its heart and thats really all its there for. symfony is much lower level than that and you cannot have a generic installer created for it because there are far too many possible variables to consider and so many different ways you can develop an application with symfony that a single installer would never be able to meet all the demands of the developers. THATS why symfony is popular, because it isn't a CRM application, and it allows you to do far more the way you want for your own needs, including how you want to deploy it. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Sid Bachtiar sid.bacht...@gmail.com wrote: sf provides all the parts to make installers - you just need to glue 'em together. Correct! And it would make it easier to spread Symfony to the mass if it has a generic installer built in. I know, I know, what don't I build it myself? I'd like to, but at the moment I'm pretty stretched out. But it also good to talk about it first, someone might points out why this is difficult, etc, etc. A Symfony open source project called Siwapp (an invoicing system) tried/tries/trying to have this kind of installer (www.siwapp.org). Kind regards, Sid On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:09 PM, david da...@inspiredthinking.co.uk wrote: Wordpress is an application, Symfony is a framework that you can use to build applications. sf provides all the parts to make installers - you just need to glue 'em together. On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:32:18 +0200, Jake Barnes lkrub...@geocities.com wrote: On Oct 5, 2:54 am, Eno symb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Sid Bachtiar wrote: I was trying to look something more for non-developer. Let's say I developed a website then when I give the source code to my client (who isn't computer illiterate, but is not familiar with Symfony); at the moment I'll have to teach them a lot of things on how to install/deploy, symfony commands (clear cache), how to change database settings, and so on. Frankly, what you're asking makes no sense. Deploying a web site is not something you can just give to someone who is not technical. One of the big weaknesses of Symfony is that it can not be deployed as easily as WordPress. The fact that non-technical people have an easy time installing WordPress gives WordPress much of its presence on the web scene. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- Blue Horn Ltd - System Development http://bluehorn.co.nz -- Gareth McCumskey
[symfony-users] Re: how to install a symfony website
That's nice ... 1.3 eh? Thanks for the info :) On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:58 AM, david da...@inspiredthinking.co.uk wrote: The current installer option pretty much allows all that now very simply via the installer and a terminal window. Unless you're thinking of something along the lines of a web installer or have some other scenario in mind. You just need to supplement things with a bootstrap.sh script that: - creates lib/vendor - downloads/extracts or svn export http://svn.symfony-project.com/branches/version - calls symfony generate:project --installer=[PATH|URL]/sfInstaller.php sfInstaller.php does the rest (http://www.symfony-project.org/blog/2009/06/10/new-in-symfony-1-3-project-creation-customization). You can prompt the user for everything you need (DB name, username, etc) and call any tasks (Doctrine:build-all-reload, project:permissions). The only option that might be missing is that there isn't a check_config task from within the framework/installer - so you can't run a self-check. On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:42:57 +0200, Sid Bachtiar sid.bacht...@gmail.com wrote: A generic installer would be something like: - System checks environment requirements, the usual: php version, apache version, mod rewrite, gd (plugins may add more requirements) - User enter database name, user, password - System creates necessary database structures (table, etc, etc) - System check that cache, log, and upload folder are writable (plugins may register additional folder) I'm sure there'll be a couple more, but they would still be pretty generic. Yes, a Symfony app can be more specialised and more complex, but I'd say most Symfony apps we develop can use such generic installer almost out of the box. Just like so many projects have benefited from sfGuardPlugin, even though not necessarily that ALL projects use sfGuardPlugin. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Gareth McCumskey gmccums...@gmail.com wrote: No it wouldn't. Wordpress is a CRM system at its heart and thats really all its there for. symfony is much lower level than that and you cannot have a generic installer created for it because there are far too many possible variables to consider and so many different ways you can develop an application with symfony that a single installer would never be able to meet all the demands of the developers. THATS why symfony is popular, because it isn't a CRM application, and it allows you to do far more the way you want for your own needs, including how you want to deploy it. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Sid Bachtiar sid.bacht...@gmail.com wrote: sf provides all the parts to make installers - you just need to glue 'em together. Correct! And it would make it easier to spread Symfony to the mass if it has a generic installer built in. I know, I know, what don't I build it myself? I'd like to, but at the moment I'm pretty stretched out. But it also good to talk about it first, someone might points out why this is difficult, etc, etc. A Symfony open source project called Siwapp (an invoicing system) tried/tries/trying to have this kind of installer (www.siwapp.org). Kind regards, Sid On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:09 PM, david da...@inspiredthinking.co.uk wrote: Wordpress is an application, Symfony is a framework that you can use to build applications. sf provides all the parts to make installers - you just need to glue 'em together. On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:32:18 +0200, Jake Barnes lkrub...@geocities.com wrote: On Oct 5, 2:54 am, Eno symb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Sid Bachtiar wrote: I was trying to look something more for non-developer. Let's say I developed a website then when I give the source code to my client (who isn't computer illiterate, but is not familiar with Symfony); at the moment I'll have to teach them a lot of things on how to install/deploy, symfony commands (clear cache), how to change database settings, and so on. Frankly, what you're asking makes no sense. Deploying a web site is not something you can just give to someone who is not technical. One of the big weaknesses of Symfony is that it can not be deployed as easily as WordPress. The fact that non-technical people have an easy time installing WordPress gives WordPress much of its presence on the web scene. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- Blue Horn Ltd - System Development http://bluehorn.co.nz -- Gareth McCumskey http://garethmccumskey.blogspot.com twitter: @garethmcc -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- Blue Horn Ltd - System Development http://bluehorn.co.nz --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send
[symfony-users] Re: how to install a symfony website
Aye - 1.3 - one of the best features along with Doctrine 1.2... :) Pre 1.3 we used a bash script for stand alone installs and we use Chef (http://wiki.opscode.com/display/chef/Home) for managed installs. The only extra thing the bash script does is bootstrap the SF install itself. Chef is a very handy lightweight infrastructure tool for deployments and management. Has a nice web deploy feature for deploying sites that handles everything including the apache config side. On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:30:30 +0200, Sid Bachtiar sid.bacht...@gmail.com wrote: That's nice ... 1.3 eh? Thanks for the info :) On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:58 AM, david da...@inspiredthinking.co.uk wrote: The current installer option pretty much allows all that now very simply via the installer and a terminal window. Unless you're thinking of something along the lines of a web installer or have some other scenario in mind. You just need to supplement things with a bootstrap.sh script that: - creates lib/vendor - downloads/extracts or svn export http://svn.symfony-project.com/branches/version - calls symfony generate:project --installer=[PATH|URL]/sfInstaller.php sfInstaller.php does the rest (http://www.symfony-project.org/blog/2009/06/10/new-in-symfony-1-3-project-creation-customization). You can prompt the user for everything you need (DB name, username, etc) and call any tasks (Doctrine:build-all-reload, project:permissions). The only option that might be missing is that there isn't a check_config task from within the framework/installer - so you can't run a self-check. On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:42:57 +0200, Sid Bachtiar sid.bacht...@gmail.com wrote: A generic installer would be something like: - System checks environment requirements, the usual: php version, apache version, mod rewrite, gd (plugins may add more requirements) - User enter database name, user, password - System creates necessary database structures (table, etc, etc) - System check that cache, log, and upload folder are writable (plugins may register additional folder) I'm sure there'll be a couple more, but they would still be pretty generic. Yes, a Symfony app can be more specialised and more complex, but I'd say most Symfony apps we develop can use such generic installer almost out of the box. Just like so many projects have benefited from sfGuardPlugin, even though not necessarily that ALL projects use sfGuardPlugin. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Gareth McCumskey gmccums...@gmail.com wrote: No it wouldn't. Wordpress is a CRM system at its heart and thats really all its there for. symfony is much lower level than that and you cannot have a generic installer created for it because there are far too many possible variables to consider and so many different ways you can develop an application with symfony that a single installer would never be able to meet all the demands of the developers. THATS why symfony is popular, because it isn't a CRM application, and it allows you to do far more the way you want for your own needs, including how you want to deploy it. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Sid Bachtiar sid.bacht...@gmail.com wrote: sf provides all the parts to make installers - you just need to glue 'em together. Correct! And it would make it easier to spread Symfony to the mass if it has a generic installer built in. I know, I know, what don't I build it myself? I'd like to, but at the moment I'm pretty stretched out. But it also good to talk about it first, someone might points out why this is difficult, etc, etc. A Symfony open source project called Siwapp (an invoicing system) tried/tries/trying to have this kind of installer (www.siwapp.org). Kind regards, Sid On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:09 PM, david da...@inspiredthinking.co.uk wrote: Wordpress is an application, Symfony is a framework that you can use to build applications. sf provides all the parts to make installers - you just need to glue 'em together. On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:32:18 +0200, Jake Barnes lkrub...@geocities.com wrote: On Oct 5, 2:54 am, Eno symb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Sid Bachtiar wrote: I was trying to look something more for non-developer. Let's say I developed a website then when I give the source code to my client (who isn't computer illiterate, but is not familiar with Symfony); at the moment I'll have to teach them a lot of things on how to install/deploy, symfony commands (clear cache), how to change database settings, and so on. Frankly, what you're asking makes no sense. Deploying a web site is not something you can just give to someone who is not technical. One of the big weaknesses of Symfony is that it can not be deployed as easily as WordPress. The fact that non-technical people have an easy time installing WordPress gives WordPress much of
[symfony-users] Re: how to install a symfony website
On Oct 5, 2:54 am, Eno symb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Sid Bachtiar wrote: I was trying to look something more for non-developer. Let's say I developed a website then when I give the source code to my client (who isn't computer illiterate, but is not familiar with Symfony); at the moment I'll have to teach them a lot of things on how to install/deploy, symfony commands (clear cache), how to change database settings, and so on. Frankly, what you're asking makes no sense. Deploying a web site is not something you can just give to someone who is not technical. One of the big weaknesses of Symfony is that it can not be deployed as easily as WordPress. The fact that non-technical people have an easy time installing WordPress gives WordPress much of its presence on the web scene. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[symfony-users] Re: how to install a symfony website
On Oct 5, 7:26 am, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: This is true, but if you deploy with svn don't forget: RewriteRule (\.svn)/(.*?) - [F,L] In your .htaccess. You don't want people snooping in the .svn folders. You can svn export and none of the .svn folders will be exported. On Oct 5, 3:06 am, Gareth McCumskey gmccums...@gmail.com wrote: First, in your batches directory for your symfony write a batch script (in PHP even if you want) that will run all the necessary symfony commands needed, like symfony cc etc. Then make sure its all committed to SVN. I have found deploying to a server easier to do with SVN rather than rsync which is what the official symfony docs recommend. So you can have your sys admin svn checkout the application, run the batch script and away you go. You can even have your deployment script add the correct Virtual Host settings into apache for you. This is of course assuming your running a *nix box. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Sid Bachtiar sid.bacht...@gmail.com wrote: Of course not. I'm talking about someone technical, who knows how to install the like of Wordpress, and other popular PHP, but not familiar with Symfony, nor want/need to learn development in Symfony. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Eno symb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Sid Bachtiar wrote: I was trying to look something more for non-developer. Let's say I developed a website then when I give the source code to my client (who isn't computer illiterate, but is not familiar with Symfony); at the moment I'll have to teach them a lot of things on how to install/deploy, symfony commands (clear cache), how to change database settings, and so on. Frankly, what you're asking makes no sense. Deploying a web site is not something you can just give to someone who is not technical. -- -- Blue Horn Ltd - System Development http://bluehorn.co.nz -- Gareth McCumskeyhttp://garethmccumskey.blogspot.com twitter: @garethmcc --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[symfony-users] Re: how to install a symfony website
Yeah, I'm thinking: 1. Have install.php on web folder and lock it or delete it after installation is successful 2. Requirements checking if the environment has everything required (plugins should be able to add requirement check too) 3. Let end user enters database information (like in Wordpress) 4. Click 'Install' OK I'm sure it's not that easy, but I think it is doable. Part of the check would be to check if non-public folder (non web folder) can be protected (made non-public), e.g.: htaccess, etc, etc. Regards, Sid Bachtiar -- Blue Horn Ltd - System Development http://bluehorn.co.nz On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Jake Barnes lkrub...@geocities.com wrote: On Oct 5, 2:54 am, Eno symb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Sid Bachtiar wrote: I was trying to look something more for non-developer. Let's say I developed a website then when I give the source code to my client (who isn't computer illiterate, but is not familiar with Symfony); at the moment I'll have to teach them a lot of things on how to install/deploy, symfony commands (clear cache), how to change database settings, and so on. Frankly, what you're asking makes no sense. Deploying a web site is not something you can just give to someone who is not technical. One of the big weaknesses of Symfony is that it can not be deployed as easily as WordPress. The fact that non-technical people have an easy time installing WordPress gives WordPress much of its presence on the web scene. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[symfony-users] Re: how to install a symfony website
One of the big weaknesses of Symfony is that it can not be deployed as easily as WordPress. The fact that non-technical people have an easy time installing WordPress gives WordPress much of its presence on the web scene. As far as I know symfony is not a blog, and it's made with _technical_ people in mind. And for technical people, willing to read the manual, it's as easy to deploy as it can possibly be. Mariusz --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[symfony-users] Re: how to install a symfony website
Wordpress is an application, Symfony is a framework that you can use to build applications. sf provides all the parts to make installers - you just need to glue 'em together. On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:32:18 +0200, Jake Barnes lkrub...@geocities.com wrote: On Oct 5, 2:54 am, Eno symb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Sid Bachtiar wrote: I was trying to look something more for non-developer. Let's say I developed a website then when I give the source code to my client (who isn't computer illiterate, but is not familiar with Symfony); at the moment I'll have to teach them a lot of things on how to install/deploy, symfony commands (clear cache), how to change database settings, and so on. Frankly, what you're asking makes no sense. Deploying a web site is not something you can just give to someone who is not technical. One of the big weaknesses of Symfony is that it can not be deployed as easily as WordPress. The fact that non-technical people have an easy time installing WordPress gives WordPress much of its presence on the web scene. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[symfony-users] Re: how to install a symfony website
sf provides all the parts to make installers - you just need to glue 'em together. Correct! And it would make it easier to spread Symfony to the mass if it has a generic installer built in. I know, I know, what don't I build it myself? I'd like to, but at the moment I'm pretty stretched out. But it also good to talk about it first, someone might points out why this is difficult, etc, etc. A Symfony open source project called Siwapp (an invoicing system) tried/tries/trying to have this kind of installer (www.siwapp.org). Kind regards, Sid On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:09 PM, david da...@inspiredthinking.co.uk wrote: Wordpress is an application, Symfony is a framework that you can use to build applications. sf provides all the parts to make installers - you just need to glue 'em together. On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:32:18 +0200, Jake Barnes lkrub...@geocities.com wrote: On Oct 5, 2:54 am, Eno symb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Sid Bachtiar wrote: I was trying to look something more for non-developer. Let's say I developed a website then when I give the source code to my client (who isn't computer illiterate, but is not familiar with Symfony); at the moment I'll have to teach them a lot of things on how to install/deploy, symfony commands (clear cache), how to change database settings, and so on. Frankly, what you're asking makes no sense. Deploying a web site is not something you can just give to someone who is not technical. One of the big weaknesses of Symfony is that it can not be deployed as easily as WordPress. The fact that non-technical people have an easy time installing WordPress gives WordPress much of its presence on the web scene. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- Blue Horn Ltd - System Development http://bluehorn.co.nz --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[symfony-users] Re: how to install a symfony website
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Sid Bachtiar wrote: I was trying to look something more for non-developer. Let's say I developed a website then when I give the source code to my client (who isn't computer illiterate, but is not familiar with Symfony); at the moment I'll have to teach them a lot of things on how to install/deploy, symfony commands (clear cache), how to change database settings, and so on. Frankly, what you're asking makes no sense. Deploying a web site is not something you can just give to someone who is not technical. -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[symfony-users] Re: how to install a symfony website
Of course not. I'm talking about someone technical, who knows how to install the like of Wordpress, and other popular PHP, but not familiar with Symfony, nor want/need to learn development in Symfony. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Eno symb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Sid Bachtiar wrote: I was trying to look something more for non-developer. Let's say I developed a website then when I give the source code to my client (who isn't computer illiterate, but is not familiar with Symfony); at the moment I'll have to teach them a lot of things on how to install/deploy, symfony commands (clear cache), how to change database settings, and so on. Frankly, what you're asking makes no sense. Deploying a web site is not something you can just give to someone who is not technical. -- -- Blue Horn Ltd - System Development http://bluehorn.co.nz --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[symfony-users] Re: how to install a symfony website
First, in your batches directory for your symfony write a batch script (in PHP even if you want) that will run all the necessary symfony commands needed, like symfony cc etc. Then make sure its all committed to SVN. I have found deploying to a server easier to do with SVN rather than rsync which is what the official symfony docs recommend. So you can have your sys admin svn checkout the application, run the batch script and away you go. You can even have your deployment script add the correct Virtual Host settings into apache for you. This is of course assuming your running a *nix box. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Sid Bachtiar sid.bacht...@gmail.com wrote: Of course not. I'm talking about someone technical, who knows how to install the like of Wordpress, and other popular PHP, but not familiar with Symfony, nor want/need to learn development in Symfony. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Eno symb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Sid Bachtiar wrote: I was trying to look something more for non-developer. Let's say I developed a website then when I give the source code to my client (who isn't computer illiterate, but is not familiar with Symfony); at the moment I'll have to teach them a lot of things on how to install/deploy, symfony commands (clear cache), how to change database settings, and so on. Frankly, what you're asking makes no sense. Deploying a web site is not something you can just give to someone who is not technical. -- -- Blue Horn Ltd - System Development http://bluehorn.co.nz -- Gareth McCumskey http://garethmccumskey.blogspot.com twitter: @garethmcc --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[symfony-users] Re: how to install a symfony website
This is true, but if you deploy with svn don't forget: RewriteRule (\.svn)/(.*?) - [F,L] In your .htaccess. You don't want people snooping in the .svn folders. On Oct 5, 3:06 am, Gareth McCumskey gmccums...@gmail.com wrote: First, in your batches directory for your symfony write a batch script (in PHP even if you want) that will run all the necessary symfony commands needed, like symfony cc etc. Then make sure its all committed to SVN. I have found deploying to a server easier to do with SVN rather than rsync which is what the official symfony docs recommend. So you can have your sys admin svn checkout the application, run the batch script and away you go. You can even have your deployment script add the correct Virtual Host settings into apache for you. This is of course assuming your running a *nix box. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Sid Bachtiar sid.bacht...@gmail.com wrote: Of course not. I'm talking about someone technical, who knows how to install the like of Wordpress, and other popular PHP, but not familiar with Symfony, nor want/need to learn development in Symfony. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Eno symb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Sid Bachtiar wrote: I was trying to look something more for non-developer. Let's say I developed a website then when I give the source code to my client (who isn't computer illiterate, but is not familiar with Symfony); at the moment I'll have to teach them a lot of things on how to install/deploy, symfony commands (clear cache), how to change database settings, and so on. Frankly, what you're asking makes no sense. Deploying a web site is not something you can just give to someone who is not technical. -- -- Blue Horn Ltd - System Development http://bluehorn.co.nz -- Gareth McCumskeyhttp://garethmccumskey.blogspot.com twitter: @garethmcc --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[symfony-users] Re: how to install a symfony website
By default when we checkout from SVN the permissions don't allow access to anything. Running symfony project:permissions sets permissions correctly for everything thats needed, including leaving .svn folders inaccessible except for the user that checked out (root in our case), so that .htaccess option isn't really necessary On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: This is true, but if you deploy with svn don't forget: RewriteRule (\.svn)/(.*?) - [F,L] In your .htaccess. You don't want people snooping in the .svn folders. On Oct 5, 3:06 am, Gareth McCumskey gmccums...@gmail.com wrote: First, in your batches directory for your symfony write a batch script (in PHP even if you want) that will run all the necessary symfony commands needed, like symfony cc etc. Then make sure its all committed to SVN. I have found deploying to a server easier to do with SVN rather than rsync which is what the official symfony docs recommend. So you can have your sys admin svn checkout the application, run the batch script and away you go. You can even have your deployment script add the correct Virtual Host settings into apache for you. This is of course assuming your running a *nix box. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Sid Bachtiar sid.bacht...@gmail.com wrote: Of course not. I'm talking about someone technical, who knows how to install the like of Wordpress, and other popular PHP, but not familiar with Symfony, nor want/need to learn development in Symfony. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Eno symb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Sid Bachtiar wrote: I was trying to look something more for non-developer. Let's say I developed a website then when I give the source code to my client (who isn't computer illiterate, but is not familiar with Symfony); at the moment I'll have to teach them a lot of things on how to install/deploy, symfony commands (clear cache), how to change database settings, and so on. Frankly, what you're asking makes no sense. Deploying a web site is not something you can just give to someone who is not technical. -- -- Blue Horn Ltd - System Development http://bluehorn.co.nz -- Gareth McCumskeyhttp://garethmccumskey.blogspot.com twitter: @garethmcc -- Gareth McCumskey http://garethmccumskey.blogspot.com twitter: @garethmcc --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[symfony-users] Re: how to install a symfony website
svn export repPath should generate the structure without the .svn control folders/files. With 1.3 we have the installer option with generate:project - while it will require a rethink on how we deploy - could be more flexible/useful. It should be a more reliable approach - you'll be working with a functioning sf from the go-get. On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:41:52 +0200, Gareth McCumskey gmccums...@gmail.com wrote: By default when we checkout from SVN the permissions don't allow access to anything. Running symfony project:permissions sets permissions correctly for everything thats needed, including leaving .svn folders inaccessible except for the user that checked out (root in our case), so that .htaccess option isn't really necessary On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: This is true, but if you deploy with svn don't forget: RewriteRule (\.svn)/(.*?) - [F,L] In your .htaccess. You don't want people snooping in the .svn folders. On Oct 5, 3:06 am, Gareth McCumskey gmccums...@gmail.com wrote: First, in your batches directory for your symfony write a batch script (in PHP even if you want) that will run all the necessary symfony commands needed, like symfony cc etc. Then make sure its all committed to SVN. I have found deploying to a server easier to do with SVN rather than rsync which is what the official symfony docs recommend. So you can have your sys admin svn checkout the application, run the batch script and away you go. You can even have your deployment script add the correct Virtual Host settings into apache for you. This is of course assuming your running a *nix box. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Sid Bachtiar sid.bacht...@gmail.com wrote: Of course not. I'm talking about someone technical, who knows how to install the like of Wordpress, and other popular PHP, but not familiar with Symfony, nor want/need to learn development in Symfony. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Eno symb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Sid Bachtiar wrote: I was trying to look something more for non-developer. Let's say I developed a website then when I give the source code to my client (who isn't computer illiterate, but is not familiar with Symfony); at the moment I'll have to teach them a lot of things on how to install/deploy, symfony commands (clear cache), how to change database settings, and so on. Frankly, what you're asking makes no sense. Deploying a web site is not something you can just give to someone who is not technical. -- -- Blue Horn Ltd - System Development http://bluehorn.co.nz -- Gareth McCumskeyhttp://garethmccumskey.blogspot.com twitter: @garethmcc -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[symfony-users] Re: how to install a symfony website
I was trying to look something more for non-developer. Let's say I developed a website then when I give the source code to my client (who isn't computer illiterate, but is not familiar with Symfony); at the moment I'll have to teach them a lot of things on how to install/deploy, symfony commands (clear cache), how to change database settings, and so on. I was just trying to find something more non-developer friendly, but may be I don't know what I'm looking for, or that the 'non-developer' just have to learn a bit more about Symfony. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Eno symb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Sid Bachtiar wrote: I'm wondering if there is a documentation for non-developer (e.g.: system admin) on how to install a website developed in Symfony. Its in the usual place: http://www.symfony-project.org/book/1_2/16-Application-Management-Tools#chapter_16_deploying_applications -- -- Blue Horn Ltd - System Development http://bluehorn.co.nz --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups symfony users group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
