[Synfig-devl] Carlos Lopez : Merge branch 'genete_render_last_frame'
Author: Carlos Lopez Date: Sat May 26 10:35:54 2012 +0200 Merge branch 'genete_render_last_frame' --- -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Synfig-devl mailing list Synfig-devl@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/synfig-devl
Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs
~ yu 2012/5/25 Carlos Lopez Gonzalez > Summary of the situation: > Waiting the opinion from Yu that is still remaining to be filled, we have > agreement on: > > Curves panel -> Graphs panel > Encapsulate->Group > Paste Canvas layer -> Group layer > Group -> Set > Add/remove from Group->Add/remove from Set > Params ->Parameters > Children->Library > CPoint->Color stop > > Still remaining: > > Duck > BLine /BLinePoint /BLine tool > Vertex > Import > > I've changed my mind from: > For BLine: Shape instead of Spline > For BLine tool: Shape tool instead of Spline tool > For BLinePoint: Vertex instead of Spine item > and > For Vertex: Origin instead of Point > From my opinions, 1) Duck > handle BLine > line BlinePoint > point BLine tool > Line tool Vertex > point (A vertex is a point with specified prefix, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertex) Point, Line (Outline, Contour), Plane (Region) is familiar to everyone who has a basic math knowledge :) With Line tool, user can create a list of ordered points to define polyline or spline, this line defines an Outline (Outline layer), or a contour line (Region layer). All the points you just created are listed in parameter panel as Points parameter, there, user can modify the point (x, y) itself and the other relative sub-parameters such as Tangent 1. A point of a line self services as a handle too. A point can be a point of a line. A point can be a center point of a layer, we call it Origin. A point can be a tangent of handle, etc... For Advanced Outline Layer, there is a parameter named Width Point List, to avoid confusing by the word point, we can rename it to Width Handles or Width Items as Dash Item List parameter of it. 2) Import > Import we can implement two buttons on import dailog, one is import as link, the other is import as embed. > > Anyone? > Carlos > > > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > ___ > Synfig-devl mailing list > Synfig-devl@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/synfig-devl > > -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Synfig-devl mailing list Synfig-devl@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/synfig-devl
Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs
The Shape tool is not bad, but I still prefer Line tool to it. Some time user don't want to create a shape but a path, for example, a path of animation action. With Line tool, user can create a line, then it can be defined as a path of action, an outline, a shape, or what ever he want. ~ yu 2012/5/26 Yu Chen > > ~ yu > > > > 2012/5/25 Carlos Lopez Gonzalez > >> Summary of the situation: >> Waiting the opinion from Yu that is still remaining to be filled, we have >> agreement on: >> >> Curves panel -> Graphs panel >> Encapsulate->Group >> Paste Canvas layer -> Group layer >> Group -> Set >> Add/remove from Group->Add/remove from Set >> Params ->Parameters >> Children->Library >> CPoint->Color stop >> >> Still remaining: >> >> Duck >> BLine /BLinePoint /BLine tool >> Vertex >> Import >> >> I've changed my mind from: >> For BLine: Shape instead of Spline >> For BLine tool: Shape tool instead of Spline tool >> For BLinePoint: Vertex instead of Spine item >> and >> For Vertex: Origin instead of Point >> > > From my opinions, > > 1) > > Duck > handle > BLine > line > BlinePoint > point > BLine tool > Line tool > Vertex > point (A vertex is a point with specified prefix, > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertex) > > Point, Line (Outline, Contour), Plane (Region) is familiar to everyone who > has a basic math knowledge :) > > With Line tool, user can create a list of ordered points to define > polyline or spline, this line defines an Outline (Outline layer), or a > contour line (Region layer). All the points you just created are listed in > parameter panel as Points parameter, there, user can modify the point (x, > y) itself and the other relative sub-parameters such as Tangent 1. > > A point of a line self services as a handle too. A point can be a point > of a line. A point can be a center point of a layer, we call it Origin. A > point can be a tangent of handle, etc... > > For Advanced Outline Layer, there is a parameter named Width Point List, > to avoid confusing by the word point, we can rename it to Width Handles or > Width Items as Dash Item List parameter of it. > > 2) > > Import > Import > we can implement two buttons on import dailog, one is import as link, the > other is import as embed. > > > > >> >> Anyone? >> Carlos >> >> >> -- >> Live Security Virtual Conference >> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and >> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions >> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware >> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ >> ___ >> Synfig-devl mailing list >> Synfig-devl@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/synfig-devl >> >> > -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Synfig-devl mailing list Synfig-devl@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/synfig-devl
Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs
2012/5/25 Carlos Lopez Gonzalez : > Then I wonder... what is bad with Curves panel? The reason to rename Curves > panel is due to the confusion with Curve as geometrical definition but if we > agree on call it Spline, what's bad with curves?. Graphs is a more generic > meaning. You can have a graph of something that is not a time vs value > representation. > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/graph > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/curve Curve is even more generic - it doesn't represent any dependency (time vs value). Graph does implies that something depend on something. And that's exactly what we have. Even in Blender 2.6x the "IPO curves" view is called "Graph" view now. ~_^ 2012/5/26 Yu Chen : > Duck > handle What I don't like about handle is that it is not only noun, but also a verb at the same time (just like a "shape"). That may produce confusions when writing/reading documentation. 2012/5/26 Yu Chen : > Import > Import > we can implement two buttons on import dailog, one is import as link, the > other is import as embed. This might be a good solution for the future. I prefer to keep "Import" for now too. K. -- http://morevnaproject.org/ -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Synfig-devl mailing list Synfig-devl@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/synfig-devl
[Synfig-devl] [ synfig-Bugs-3529952 ] Gradient Tool position on toolbox
Bugs item #3529952, was opened at 2012-05-26 06:23 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by jcome You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=757416&aid=3529952&group_id=144022 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Usability Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Yu Chen (jcome) Assigned to: Yu Chen (jcome) Summary: Gradient Tool position on toolbox Initial Comment: Gradient tool and polygon tool on toolbox are not well positioned. The proper order for second row of tools : circle, rectangle, star, polygon, gradient. -- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=757416&aid=3529952&group_id=144022 -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Synfig-devl mailing list Synfig-devl@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/synfig-devl
[Synfig-devl] [ synfig-Bugs-3529956 ] draw tool icon
Bugs item #3529956, was opened at 2012-05-26 06:29 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by jcome You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=757416&aid=3529956&group_id=144022 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Usability Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Yu Chen (jcome) Assigned to: Yu Chen (jcome) Summary: draw tool icon Initial Comment: ink bottle as draw tool icon is not a good metaphor at all. -- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=757416&aid=3529956&group_id=144022 -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Synfig-devl mailing list Synfig-devl@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/synfig-devl
[Synfig-devl] [ synfig-Bugs-3529965 ] the naming of vertices list parameter of polygon layer
Bugs item #3529965, was opened at 2012-05-26 07:21 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by jcome You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=757416&aid=3529965&group_id=144022 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Usability Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Yu Chen (jcome) Assigned to: Yu Chen (jcome) Summary: the naming of vertices list parameter of polygon layer Initial Comment: region layer, outline layer use vertices in their parameter list, would be nice to rename it from Vertices List to Vertices to have consistency across layers. -- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=757416&aid=3529965&group_id=144022 -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Synfig-devl mailing list Synfig-devl@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/synfig-devl
[Synfig-devl] [ synfig-Bugs-3529956 ] draw tool icon
Bugs item #3529956, was opened at 2012-05-26 06:29 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by animtim You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=757416&aid=3529956&group_id=144022 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Usability Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Yu Chen (jcome) Assigned to: Yu Chen (jcome) Summary: draw tool icon Initial Comment: ink bottle as draw tool icon is not a good metaphor at all. -- Comment By: Timothée Giet (animtim) Date: 2012-05-26 07:37 Message: As much as I like this icon, because I use mainly this tool to trace ink lines using pressure sensitivity of my tablet stylus, I understand your point. As the draw tool is meant to be used with a tablet (really a mouse is more efficient with the Spline/line tool) , and as it's the only tool that let draw with tablet pressure, I suggest something like this: http://timotheegiet.com/images/synfig/DrawTool.sif http://timotheegiet.com/images/synfig/DrawTool.png (I had a "tablet stylus" icon made in synfig I used to launch a tablet config script, I just adapted it quickly, it can probably be enhanced again) -- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=757416&aid=3529956&group_id=144022 -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Synfig-devl mailing list Synfig-devl@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/synfig-devl
[Synfig-devl] [ synfig-Bugs-3486742 ] Snap to grid toolbar button English tooltip incorrect
Bugs item #3486742, was opened at 2012-02-11 02:08 Message generated for change (Settings changed) made by jcome You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=757416&aid=3486742&group_id=144022 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Usability Group: None >Status: Closed >Resolution: Fixed Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: DaveJ () Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Snap to grid toolbar button English tooltip incorrect Initial Comment: The "snap to grid" canvas window toolbar button tooltip says "Show Grid when enabled" instead of "Snap to Grid when enabled". -- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=757416&aid=3486742&group_id=144022 -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Synfig-devl mailing list Synfig-devl@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/synfig-devl
Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs
2012/5/26 Yu Chen : > BLine > line > BlinePoint > point > BLine tool > Line tool > ... > With Line tool, user can create a list of ordered points to define polyline > or spline, this line defines an Outline (Outline layer), or a contour line > (Region layer). All the points you just created are listed in parameter > panel as Points parameter, there, user can modify the point (x, y) itself > and the other relative sub-parameters such as Tangent 1. I would like to mention that in some applications "Line Tool" is associated with drawing _straight_ lines: * http://animation.about.com/od/flashanimationtutorials/ss/flashlinetool.htm (Flash) * http://www.extropia.com/tutorials/photoshop/line_tool.html (Photoshop) * http://www.adobetutorialz.com/articles/375/1/Photoshop-Elements-2-Line-Tool (Photoshop Elements) * https://office.microsoft.com/en-us/visio-help/draw-a-line-HP001231225.aspx (MS Office Visio, and probably other MS products) K. -- http://morevnaproject.org/ -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Synfig-devl mailing list Synfig-devl@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/synfig-devl
[Synfig-devl] [ synfig-Bugs-3486963 ] Can specifiy End Time before Begin Time in Preview Options
Bugs item #3486963, was opened at 2012-02-12 03:49 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by jcome You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=757416&aid=3486963&group_id=144022 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Usability Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: DaveJ () Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Can specifiy End Time before Begin Time in Preview Options Initial Comment: In the Preview Options dialog box you can specify an End Time for a preview render that's before the Begin Time. -- >Comment By: Yu Chen (jcome) Date: 2012-05-26 08:39 Message: Can not reproduce in version of 0.63.05. if enter, for example, 5 in start time field and -5 in end time field, the preview will only fr at -5 rendered. would be good to detect the input to avoid it. Would be a good idea, in this case, we render a backward sequence of frames ? -- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=757416&aid=3486963&group_id=144022 -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Synfig-devl mailing list Synfig-devl@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/synfig-devl
Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs
1.
I don't find "Shape Tool" to be confusing at all. The verb "shape" is
mostly used with abstract concepts ("to shape a statement"), and
sometimes for 3D objects ("to shape a piece of clay"). In the context
of 2D animation, I wouldn't think of it as a verb. Plus, the icon on
the toolbox helps identify what the tool does.
The tool names that actually confuse me are Sketch vs. Draw. The icons
and names are so similar that I always pick the wrong one.
(Other possible names for the BLine tool include Bezier Tool, Pen
Tool, or Pencil Tool.)
2.
In the context of the parameters panel, my preference is still a
Spline parameter, which consists of Vertices/Points, where each
vertex/point has an Origin and two Tangents.
3.
Similarly to "shape", I don't think that "handle" would be confused
for a verb. A "door handle" is a noun, so I think "tangent handle",
etc. would be recognized as nouns, too. Without the adjective, I
suspect that "handles" will mostly be used as a plural.
One thing to consider is that "Bezier handle" is essentially a
standard term for what we call a Tangent Duck.
4.
About embedding files on import: the SIF file format isn't designed to
embed raster images inside of it. And I don't think adding that would
be a good idea. I suggest that the "embed" option be available for
other SIF files only.
~Nikita
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Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs
My reasons: Duck>Handle As nikitakit, I don't have confusion with handle as verb. Used after the noun it is always one adjetive to me. I recognize that Control point is much more common name and it will be easier to translate in any language. Specially in Spanish, "handle" is as hard to translate as "duck". BLine>Spline The BLine is not only used to create shapes but it is also used to create gradients, plants, etc. and shape is more specific for the region like object. BLinePoint>Spline item Why this change? for coherence with future suggested Width item and existing Dash item. All them belong to a list like value node so compose it by "items" is the right way to me to call them. Vertex>Vertex Also, why this change? I've realized that we already have a Origin duck (sorry, handle) that is green and represents the origin of the layers. This item (the vertex) is represented by a brown handle and it is the Vertex of the Spline item. I think that we adopted Origin because the word Vertex was already in use to replace blinepoint. We shouldn't rename Origin because it would create confusion at the toggle ducks (handles) buttons. BLine tool>Spline tool Same reasons than for Bline. The BLine tool is not used only for shapes Darn! Handle is hard to use! :) -G-- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Synfig-devl mailing list Synfig-devl@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/synfig-devl
