t-and-f: REPORT: CHINESE WALKER FAILS TEST
REPORT: CHINESE WALKER FAILS TEST BEIJING (AP) - A Chinese race walker has been kicked off the Olympic team after failing a drug test, an official newspaper said. Liu Yunfeng, who was China's top prospect in the men's 20-kilometer walk, tested positive July 13, the China Daily said Saturday. Liu's fate hinges on the result of tests on a second sample, the newspaper said. It did not identify the drug found in Liu's first sample and did not say when the second result was expected. If Liu's positive test is confirmed, the head coach of China's race walking team, Zhang Fuxin, also could be prevented from going to Sydney, the China Daily said. It quoted Zhang as saying he knew nothing about Liu's suspected drug taking. Liu made remarkable improvements in competitions this year, but "there has been nothing abnormal in any postmatch tests," the newspaper quoted the coach as saying. *** For the full story, see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2569397882-093
t-and-f: JONES, GREENE WIN 100-METER RACES
JONES, GREENE WIN 100-METER RACES BERLIN (AP) - Maurice Greene ran the fastest 100 meters of the year, winning in 9.86 seconds Friday at the ISTAF meet, the last major track and field competition before the Sydney Olympics. Marion Jones won the women's 100, finishing in 10.78 to match her world-leading season-best that she ran in London on Aug. 5. Both marks broke meet records. Greene, who had the previous meet record at 9.94, got off to a fast start out of the blocks and won by a large margin over fellow American Jon Drummond, who finished in 9.96. Tim Montgomery completed the sweep for the United States, clocking 10.01. Jones trailed Savatheda Fynes of the Bahamas for the first 40 meters, before accelerating to an easy victory. "I feel real great after this race," said Jones, who will seek a record five gold medals in Sydney. *** For the full story, see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2569385205-ba1 *** For the complete ISTAF meet results, see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2569386659-839
Re: Re: t-and-f: The Relay team
In a message dated 9/2/0 1:35:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: <> Santa Monica's 37.79 in 1991 equalled the world record that was set by France in 1990. Walt Murphy
t-and-f: ESPN Coverage
Larry Rawson and myself are confused...during the U.S. Trials, this list was flooded with commentary, both positive and negative, about the coverage by NBC and PAX, yet there has been virtually NO discussion about ESPN's coverage of five Golden League meets. Has anyone been watching? Does anyone care? Did it hurt that three of the shows were delayed a day or two? Trust me, we're not looking for pats on the back if you liked the shows, but feedback, good and bad, is always welcome(at least the good feedback). Walt Murphy
RE: t-and-f: ESPN Coverage
This is NO doubt - it was great TV. All I would have added would have been a few WR's! Cory Beard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 9/2/00 5:28 AM Subject: t-and-f: ESPN Coverage Larry Rawson and myself are confused...during the U.S. Trials, this list was flooded with commentary, both positive and negative, about the coverage by NBC and PAX, yet there has been virtually NO discussion about ESPN's coverage of five Golden League meets. Has anyone been watching? Does anyone care? Did it hurt that three of the shows were delayed a day or two? Trust me, we're not looking for pats on the back if you liked the shows, but feedback, good and bad, is always welcome(at least the good feedback). Walt Murphy
t-and-f: Berlin with feet and inches
IAAF Golden League ISTAF 2000 Berlin, 01-Sep-2000 RESULTS MEN GP HIGH JUMP - MEN Pts 1 Boswell Mark CAN 2.32 (7' 7 1/4") 12.0 2 Hammad Abderahmane ALG 2.29 (7' 6") 10.0 3 Klyugin Sergey RUS 2.29 (7' 6") 9.0 4 Pennings Wilbert NED 2.25 (7' 4 1/2") 8.0 5 Janku JanCZE 2.25 (7' 4 1/2") 7.0 6 Boateng KwakuCAN 2.25 (7' 4 1/2") 6.0 7 Matusevich KonstantinISR 2.20 (7' 2 1/2") 4.5 7 Rhoden Christian GER 2.20 (7' 2 1/2") 4.5 9 Kreissig WolfgangGER 2.20 (7' 2 1/2") 10 Strand Staffan SWE 2.20 (7' 2 1/2") 11 Leeper NathanUSA 2.15 (7' 0 1/2") Krehmic ElvirBSH NM Partyka ArturPOL NM GP POLE VAULT - MEN Pts 1 Hartwig Jeff USA 5.71 (18' 8 3/4") 12.0 2 Ecker Danny GER 5.71 (18' 8 3/4") 10.0 3 Harvey Tye USA 5.61 (18' 4 3/4") 8.5 3 Stolle Michael GER 5.61 (18' 4 3/4") 8.5 5 Gerasimov Pavel RUS 5.61 (18' 4 3/4") 7.0 6 Johnson Lawrence USA 5.51 (18' 1") 6.0 7 Hysong Nick USA 5.51 (18' 1") 4.5 7 Lobinger Tim GER 5.51 (18' 1") 4.5 9 Eriksson Martin SWE 5.51 (18' 1") 10 Börgeling Lars GER 5.41 (17' 9") Blom RensNED NM Galfione JeanFRA NM GP TRIPLE JUMP - MEN Pts Wind 1 Friedek Charles Michael GER 17.20 (56' 5 1/4") 12.0 -0.1 2 Quesada Yoelbi CUB 16.56 (54' 4") 10.0 +0.7 3 Hanstveit Ketill NOR 16.47 (54' 0 1/2") 9.0 +0.2 4 Rusenov Ivaylo BUL 16.47 (54' 0 1/2") 8.0 -0.5 5 Achike Onochie GBR 16.44 (53' 11 1/4") 7.0 +0.3 6 Nachum Rogel ISR 16.09 (52' 9 1/2") 6.0 +0.2 7 Howard RobertUSA 16.06 (52' 8 1/4") 5.0 +1.0 8 Moede Thomas GER 15.58 (51' 1 1/2") 4.0 -0.1 Bell Kenta USA NM Edwards Jonathan GBR NM GP SHOT PUT - MEN Pts 1 Nelson Adam USA 20.89 (68' 6 1/2") 12.0 2 Belonog YuriyUKR 20.57 (67' 6") 10.0 3 Bloom Andy USA 20.40 (66' 11 1/4") 9.0 4 Menc MiroslavCZE 20.08 (65' 10 1/2") 8.0 5 Lambrechts BurgerRSA 19.74 (64' 9 1/4") 7.0 6 Buder Oliver-SvenGER 19.74 (64' 9 1/4") 6.0 7 Konopka Mikulás SVK 19.26 (63' 2 1/4") 5.0 8 Mertens Michael GER 19.20 (63' 0") 4.0 DISCUS THROW - MEN 1 Riedel Lars GER 69.72 (228' 9") 2 Alekna VirgilijusLIT 69.70 (228' 8") 3 Kruger FrantzRSA 67.32 (220' 10") 4 Van Daele Jo BEL 63.09 (207' 0") 5 Ubartas RomasLIT 62.60 (205' 4") 6 Schult JürgenGER 62.49 (205' 0") 7 Möllenbeck Michael GER 61.07 (200' 4") 8 Van Der Kruk Pieter NED 59.06 (193' 9") 9 Seelig Andreas GER 58.59 (192' 3") RESULTS WOMEN GP LONG JUMP - WOMEN Pts Wind 1 Kotova Tatyana RUS 6.96 (22' 10") 12.0 +0.9 2 Daute-Drechsler HeikeGER 6.95 (22' 9 3/4") 10.0 +0.4 3 Prandzheva Iva BUL 6.87 (22' 6 1/2") 9.0 +0.1 4 Johansson Erica SWE 6.66 (21' 10 1/4") 8.0 +0.3 5 Tiedtke SusenGER 6.63 (21' 9") 7.0 +0.9 6 Burrell Dawn USA 6.36 (20' 10 1/2") 6.0 +0.6 7 Schulte SofiaGER 6.26 (20' 6 1/2") 5.0 +1.3 8 Herschmann NicoleGER 6.16 (20' 2 1/2") 4.0 +0.4 GP JAVELIN THROW - WOMEN Pts 1 Solberg-Hattestad Trine NOR 68.3
Re: t-and-f: ESPN Coverage
> Has anyone been watching? Does anyone care? Did it hurt that three of the > shows were delayed a day or two? Trust me, we're not looking for pats on the > back if you liked the shows, but feedback, good and bad, is always welcome(at > least the good feedback). I agree with another post which indicated that the coverage was generally good, but that the camera angles switched a little bit too much. As usual, there were a few comments that were way off base, most notably the statement that El G. had a much harder time winning the five events than the others did because it was a distance event. I'd actually say the distance runners have it the easiest - they can afford to make mistakes and still win. But overall, much better than the NBC or CBS coverage I have seen over the past few years - more action and less fluff. - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: ESPN Coverage
Walt writes: >Larry Rawson and myself are confused...during the U.S. Trials, this list >was >flooded with commentary, both positive and negative, about the coverage by >NBC and PAX, yet there has been virtually NO discussion about ESPN's >coverage >of five Golden League meets. You probably should be pleased by this, because it's the bad coverage that really brings out the commentary on this list. And then the "praise" of it comes in the form of people responding that it wasn't THAT bad. As usual the ESPN coverage was pretty good. Same day coverage is great; it's as good as live. On the other hand, two day delay is as good (bad) as two week delay. Once you already know the results the amount of the delay doesn't matter that much - the thrill is gone. Given the time limitations I thought the coverage of the actual events was pretty good too. There was minimal fluff. And full coverage of distance or field events is just not in the cards, so I don't expect it. Memorable Minor Mistake: The comment that during the Brussels 100m that Jones had "already made up the stagger" on her competitors. Huh? What stagger? Nice touch: scenes of the various cities shown during the commercial cut-aways - gave a little flavor of the town without actually expanding into a puff piece. Overall, a good job. Kurt Bray (Looking forward to, but still dreading, the NBC Olympic coverage) _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
t-and-f: SURVIVOR--day 11
Attention all people without a life (i.e.. those who are reading this instead of doing major Labor Day beer-busting): you've got 24 hours (i.e., until noon PDT Sunday) to cut yet another Sacto champion from the dinner table. If you didn't vote previously, doesn't mean you can't vote now. And no, you don't have to say the same thing two days in a row. Here's the 6-pack of remaining potential dinner guests to choose from: Pascal Dobert Adam Goucher Allen Johnson Charles Austin Adam Nelson Lance Deal gh recap: day 1 eliminated Seaman & Mo, day 2 Greer & MJ, day 3 Gabe & Everett, day 4 Lister, day 5 Howard, day 6 Capel, day 7 Meb & Lojo, day 8 Taylor, day 9 pappas, day 10 Setliff
t-and-f: SURVIVOR--you sank the Bismark!
OK, after all these days, the bubble finally burst for Adam Setliff. (so who you gonna kick around next?) most stunning development of day 10 was that a guy i had guessed as a possible/probable winner suddenly jumped up to a solid No. 3 on the ding list. (this being done a bit early, given as i have 75 people coming to the house tomorrow, so much prep to be done; tomorrow will prob. be similalry truncated) g
t-and-f: day 10 wit and wisdom
I see what's going on here. The three Adams have formed a consortium to systematically eliminate all non-Adams. Well, their check to me didn't bounce, so bye-bye Allen (next alphabetically). This is some kind of psychological test, isn't it? You ask me to respond and I do with a logical response and then you post illogical results and gage my reaction. Am I close? Lance Deal - STILL not a distance runner how pissed am i going to be if this distance dominant list picks dobert or goucher over johnson and austin- two OLYMPIC CHAMPIONS and u.s. record holders. my female nomination for dinner-- Natasha Kaiser After reading Tim Layden's story about Adam Nelson in SI, I hope he's the Survivor. I'd love to hear his stories about his evil twin during his days at Dartmouth (Used to walk around with a Viking hat, looking for parties) Alright, i give in. After days of voting for nelson i'm now switching to the anti distance camp. May be Johnson, the one i want to win, will get get lost in all the different vendetta's. 7 left and three are Adams? Eve should have offered apples to all three of them. Give Setliff the boot. I've given up my campaign to get rid of Deal because I figure it won't work. Here's why: he's a veteran (people are suckers for the old warrior giving it one last shot) and he's from Eugene (half of the people on the list probably live next door to him). Go Goucher.
Re: t-and-f: SURVIVOR--day 11
Vote Deal because throwers eat to much
Re: t-and-f: ESPN Coverage
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Larry Rawson and myself are confused...during the U.S. Trials, this list was > flooded with commentary, both positive and negative, about the coverage by > NBC and PAX, yet there has been virtually NO discussion about ESPN's coverage > of five Golden League meets. > > Has anyone been watching? Does anyone care? Did it hurt that three of the > shows were delayed a day or two? Trust me, we're not looking for pats on the > back if you liked the shows, but feedback, good and bad, is always welcome(at > least the good feedback). OK, here goes. I watched the Brussels and Berlin within the past week. Comments on Brussels: W100 - One of the announcers says, "Watch the center of the track," after which: they show a closeup from the side then they switch to a wide-angle shot from outside lane 9 - (I focus on lanes 3, 4, 5 and 6) then they switch to a closeup on lanes 3 and 4 then they switch to a side angle, in from lane 9 THE GUN just as the runners are leaving the block, they switch again to a wide-angle shot Now, pray tell me, how is one supposed to watch the center of the track when they keep changing the camera, including right after the start? The men's 100 start was similar, but not quite as bad. BTW, Lewis Johnson, during the rerun of the race, said that Maurice Greene had "already made up the stagger" on the rest of the runners. He also called the 10K a "27-lap race." During the 10K, Larry Rawson, who is usually pretty good, said Tergat was running like a metronome, at the same time that the lap splits superimposed on the screen were showing the pace dropping off dramatically, to almost 68s laps. Then he completely missed the fact that Tergat was passed, by a non-lapped runner, on the last turn and had to sprint to win the race. Pay attention to the race, Larry! The camera work has always bothered me more than anything about track coverage. Shots of the runners' feet, straight-ahead closeups, etc. do not allow you to follow what's happening in the race. Overall, however, this coverage showed a lot more actual action than NBC's coverage does, which is great. Cheers, Alan Shank
Re: t-and-f: Berlin with feet and inches
Yeah!! And it must be true because we also saw it on TV (good coverage IMHO). Tony Craddock At 08:08 AM 9/2/00 -0500, Beard, Cory wrote: >IAAF Golden League > >ISTAF 2000 >Berlin, 01-Sep-2000 > >RESULTS MEN > >GP >HIGH JUMP - MEN > Pts > 1 Boswell Mark CAN 2.32 (7' 7 1/4") 12.0 > 2 Hammad Abderahmane ALG 2.29 (7' 6") 10.0 > 3 Klyugin Sergey RUS 2.29 (7' 6") 9.0 > 4 Pennings Wilbert NED 2.25 (7' 4 1/2") 8.0 > 5 Janku JanCZE 2.25 (7' 4 1/2") 7.0 > 6 Boateng KwakuCAN 2.25 (7' 4 1/2") 6.0 > 7 Matusevich KonstantinISR 2.20 (7' 2 1/2") 4.5 > 7 Rhoden Christian GER 2.20 (7' 2 1/2") 4.5 > 9 Kreissig WolfgangGER 2.20 (7' 2 1/2") >10 Strand Staffan SWE 2.20 (7' 2 1/2") >11 Leeper NathanUSA 2.15 (7' 0 1/2") > Krehmic ElvirBSH NM > Partyka ArturPOL NM > >GP >POLE VAULT - MEN > Pts > 1 Hartwig Jeff USA 5.71 (18' 8 3/4") 12.0 > 2 Ecker Danny GER 5.71 (18' 8 3/4") 10.0 > 3 Harvey Tye USA 5.61 (18' 4 3/4") 8.5 > 3 Stolle Michael GER 5.61 (18' 4 3/4") 8.5 > 5 Gerasimov Pavel RUS 5.61 (18' 4 3/4") 7.0 > 6 Johnson Lawrence USA 5.51 (18' 1") 6.0 > 7 Hysong Nick USA 5.51 (18' 1") 4.5 > 7 Lobinger Tim GER 5.51 (18' 1") 4.5 > 9 Eriksson Martin SWE 5.51 (18' 1") >10 Börgeling Lars GER 5.41 (17' 9") > Blom RensNED NM > Galfione JeanFRA NM > >GP >TRIPLE JUMP - MEN > Pts Wind > 1 Friedek Charles Michael GER 17.20 (56' 5 1/4") 12.0 >-0.1 > 2 Quesada Yoelbi CUB 16.56 (54' 4") 10.0 +0.7 > 3 Hanstveit Ketill NOR 16.47 (54' 0 1/2") 9.0 >+0.2 > 4 Rusenov Ivaylo BUL 16.47 (54' 0 1/2") 8.0 >-0.5 > 5 Achike Onochie GBR 16.44 (53' 11 1/4") 7.0 >+0.3 > 6 Nachum Rogel ISR 16.09 (52' 9 1/2") 6.0 >+0.2 > 7 Howard RobertUSA 16.06 (52' 8 1/4") 5.0 >+1.0 > 8 Moede Thomas GER 15.58 (51' 1 1/2") 4.0 >-0.1 > Bell Kenta USA NM > Edwards Jonathan GBR NM > >GP >SHOT PUT - MEN > Pts > 1 Nelson Adam USA 20.89 (68' 6 1/2") 12.0 > 2 Belonog YuriyUKR 20.57 (67' 6") 10.0 > 3 Bloom Andy USA 20.40 (66' 11 1/4") 9.0 > 4 Menc MiroslavCZE 20.08 (65' 10 1/2") 8.0 > 5 Lambrechts BurgerRSA 19.74 (64' 9 1/4") 7.0 > 6 Buder Oliver-SvenGER 19.74 (64' 9 1/4") 6.0 > 7 Konopka Mikulás SVK 19.26 (63' 2 1/4") 5.0 > 8 Mertens Michael GER 19.20 (63' 0") 4.0 > >DISCUS THROW - MEN > > 1 Riedel Lars GER 69.72 (228' 9") > 2 Alekna VirgilijusLIT 69.70 (228' 8") > 3 Kruger FrantzRSA 67.32 (220' 10") > 4 Van Daele Jo BEL 63.09 (207' 0") > 5 Ubartas RomasLIT 62.60 (205' 4") > 6 Schult JürgenGER 62.49 (205' 0") > 7 Möllenbeck Michael GER 61.07 (200' 4") > 8 Van Der Kruk Pieter NED 59.06 (193' 9") > 9 Seelig Andreas GER 58.59 (192' 3") > >RESULTS WOMEN > > >GP >LONG JUMP - WOMEN > Pts Wind > 1 Kotova Tatyana RUS 6.96 (22' 10") 12.0 +0.9 > 2 Daute-Drechsler HeikeGER 6.95 (22' 9 > 3/4") 10.0 +0.4 > 3 Prandzheva Iva BUL 6.87 (22' 6 > 1/2") 9.0 +0.1 > 4 Johansson Erica SWE 6.66 (21' 10 1/4") 8.0 >+0.3 > 5 Tiedtke SusenGER 6.63 (21' 9") 7.0 +0.9 > 6 Burrell Dawn USA 6.36 (20' 10 1/2") 6.0 >+0
Re: t-and-f: SURVIVOR--day 11
<< Vote Deal because throwers eat to much >> I didn't know lobbying was allowed...?
Re: t-and-f: The Relay team
I believe in 1991 the Santa Monica Track Club held the 4x100m world record at 37.80 in winning Zurich. I don't believe any club team has gone faster than HSI's recent time though. Mike >By the way, has a "club" team ever run faster? And has a "club" ever held >the world record? > >William E. B. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
t-and-f: Meeting of Patra, Greece - RESULTS
International Meeting "TOFALIA 2000" Patra, Greece - 02 September 2000 MEN 100 METRES Race 1 (-0.60 m/s): 1. Braunskill (USA) 10" 53.; 2. Gavelas (GRE) 10" 55.; 3. Terzian (GRE) 10" 56.; 4. Rurak (UKR) 10" 58.; 5. Chr. Magos (GRE) 10" 60.; 6. Panayotopoulos (GRE) 10" 60.; 7. Roland (HUN) 10" 67. Race 2. (-1.0 m/s): 1. Genovelis (GRE) 10" 53.; 2. Katsantonis (CYP) 10" 59.; 3. Kontzos (GRE) 10" 65.; 4. Vogiatzakis (GRE) 10" 71.; 5. Zisimidis (CYP) 10" 81. 200 METRES Race 1 (-0.40 m/s): 1. Katsantonis (CYP) 20" 91.; 2. Terzian (GRE) 20" 93.; 3. Chr. Magos (GRE) 21" 09.; 4. Sarris 21" 26.; 5. Panayotopoulos 21" 29. Race 2 (-0.80 m/s). 1. Braunskill (USA) 20" 82.; 2. Yankov (BUL) 20" 87.; 3. Markoulidis (CYP) 20" 93.; 4. Alexopoulos (GRE) 20" 97. 400 METRES 1. Dzhivontov (BUL) 45" 59.; 2. Goussis (GRE) 49" 19.; 3. Dimotrios (GRE) 46" 87.; 4. Economidis (GRE) 47" 05.; 5. Vathystas (GRE) 47" 19.; 6. Lessis (GRE) 47" 67. 800 METRES 1. Kimwetich (KEN) 1' 46" 48.; 2. Bungei (KEN) 1' 46" 83.; 3. Kozhevnikov (RUS) 1' 47" 14.; 4. Stroubakos (GRE) 1' 47" 43.; 5. Farouggias (GRE) 1' 48" 24.; 6. Giaverini (ITA) 1' 48" 34.; 7. Daglartzis (GRE) 1' 48" 40. pb; 8. Hatzimarkou (CYP) 1' 49" 47.; 9. Georgiou (GRE) 1' 50" 73. 5.000 METRES 1. P. Kosgei (KEN) 13' 26" 75; 2. Kalya (KEN) 13' 32" 25.; 3. Niziyama (BUR) 13' 32" 89.; 4. Beradi (ITA) 13' 34" 00. . 7. Zaragkas (GRE) 14' 08" 26.; 8. Katsilas (GRE) 14' 58" 45. 110 METRES HURDLES (-2.4 m/s) 1. Olijars (LAT) 13" 57.; 2. Gsillag (HUN) 13" 68.; 3. Covac (HUN) 13" 97.; 4. Pietris (GRE) 14" 02.; 5. Marakakis (GRE) 14" 41.; 6. Adamopoulos (GRE) 14" 80. HIGH JUMP 1. Dymtchenko (RUS) 2, 30 m.; 2. Rybakov (RUS) 2, 25 m.; 2. Papakostas (GRE) 2, 25 m.; 4. Lolin (BLR) 2, 20 m. 5. Syrakos (GRE) 2, 20 m.; 6. Tomaras (GRE) 2, 15 m. TRIPLE JUMP. 1. Metoglou (GRE) 16,68 m./+1.6; 2. Dofene (GRE) 16,07 m.; 3. Moskalenko (RUS) 16,04 m./+2.4; 4. Socov (RUS) 15,67 m./+1.8; 5. Papadopoulos (CYP) 15,37 m JAVELIN THROW 1. Gatsioudis (GRE) 85, 20 m.; 2. Gonzales (CUB) 79, 40 m.; 3. Raggs (LAT) 78, 52 m.; 4. Polymerou (GRE) 75, 03 m. SHOT PUT 1. Anastassopoulos (GRE) 18, 75 m.; 2. Kollias (GRE) 17, 07 m.; 3. Georgakopoulos (GRE) 14, 43 m. WOMEN 100 METRES Race 1 (-2.10 m/s). 1. Patsou (GRE) 11" 87.; 2. Safronnikova (BLR) 11" 89.; 3. Koutrouli (GRE) 11" 92.; 4. Gatchevska (BUL) 12" 20.; 5. Gurkan (TUR) 12" 29.; 6. Kaidatzi (GRE) 12" 30. Race 2 (-0.40 m/s) 1. Pilatou (GRE) 12" 31. 2. Kokloni (GRE) 12" 40.; 3. Andriopoulou (GRE) 12" 44. 200 METRES (-0.40 m/s) 1. Koffa (GRE) 23" 16. sb.; 2. Safronnikova (BLR) 23" 54.; 3. Goudenoudi (GRE) 23" 93.; 4. Gatchevska (BUL) 24" 14.; 5. Kulikova (BLR) 24" 32.; 6. Ogundemi (NGR) 24" 43. 100 METRES HURDLES 1. Miklos (ROM) 13" 48.; 2. Tambaki (GRE) 14" 16. 1.500 METRES 1. Varga (HUN) 4' 13" 01.; Surekli (TUR) 4' 13" 99.; 3. Ozurt (TUR) 4' 14" 57.; 4. Gorodincheva (RUS) 4' 14" 88.; 5. Protopapa (GRE) 4' 15" 40.; 6. Papachristou (GRE) 4' 30" 27.; 6. Polyzou (GRE) 4' 32" 59. HIGH JUMP 1. Styopina (UKR) 1, 94 m.; 2. Nikolayeva (UKR) 1, 91 m.; 3. Kalcheva (BUL) 1, 91 m.; 4. Bakogianni (GRE) 1, 88 m.; 5. Motkova (RUS) 1, 88 m.; 6. Mikhalchenko (UKR) 1, 88 m.; 7. Gulyayeva (RUS) 1, 88 m.; 8. Charalambous (CYP) 1, 80 m.; 9. Makri (GRE) 1, 70 m. POLE VAULT 1. Koleva (BUL) 4, 31 m.; 2. Iakovidou (GRE) 4, 21 m. National Record; 3. Muller (GER) 4, 16 m.; 4. Szabo (HUN) 4, 11 m.; 5. Kostem (TUR) 4, 01 m.; 6. Sauer (USA) 4, 01 m.; 7. Tsiliggiri (GRE) 3, 91 m.; 8. Volpanou (GRE) 3, 61 m. LONG JUMP 1. Shekhovotsova (UKR) 6, 78 m.; 2. Gotovska (LAT) 6, 50 m.; 3. Pilatou (GRE) 6, 40 m.(National U23 Record) ; 4. Vasdeki (GRE) 6, 40 m.; .5. Micklos (ROM) 6, 39 m; 6. Xanthou (GRE) 6, 39 m. [injured at the 3rd attempt]; 7. Melnikova (RUS) 6, 29 m.; 8. Khropac (UKR) 6, 24 m.; 9. Papavassilaki (GRE) 6, 23 m.; 10. Athanassiou (GRE) 6, 22 m. JAVELIN THROW 1. Bisset (CUB) 61, 55 m.; 2. Szabo (HUN) 61, 23 m.; 3. Ribero (CUB) 59, 89 m.; 4. Tsiolakoudi (GRE) 59, 72 m.; 5. Nastas (ALB) 45, 58 m. Michalis Nikitaridis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Comments On/After Berlin
Just some comments after watching the Berlin meet and reading the latest
digest post (#3167).
First, who is Willy Beamon? Obviously from LA, is this really someone named
"Bill Beamon"? Coach, official, agent, athlete?
Thank goodness for ESPN and the Golden League series. I was really looking
forward to hearing Larry and Lewis (LewJo?) present us the meets this year.
They did a great job all year.
I am still not convinced that Donovan Bailey lines up for his race thinking
"nah, I don't need to try and win this race". Now, Ato is the one that has
me scratching my head. However, just like Capel, I expect to see him on the
stand in Australia.
I agree with someone's comment that the start lists could stay up longer on
the TV coverage.
Boy, I thought I was watching the Giovanni Evangilisti re-make in the
Women's LJ. Although it is dangerous to use the "distance boards" as a
guide, especially when you only watch one jump, but it looked like Kotova
went about 6.85 on the final jump! But, lo and behold, she got 6.96!! Just
enough to win some gold???
As far as the men short relay goes, I have no problem with the USA selecting
the HSI group to run. Ever since 1988, I have been a huge advocate of
keeping the same 4 guys together in all rounds. At the TAFWA luncheon this
year in Durham, USA Team Coach John Chaplin made it crystal clear that his
intention was to keep he same four runners in all rounds! Of course, if you
assume a gold medal, he acknowledged that we may leave two medals "on the
table" (as other can run in the rounds). For this reason, he said, he will
be getting pressure from athletes' "coaches, agents, trainers, wives and
spiritual gurus" to include "their guy" on the team. Resisting that
pressure was going to be a full-time job. My take is this: Gold for 4 is
WAY more important than other colored medals for 6 - and I think everyone
here agrees with that. The time run by the HSI group (37.65) says good
things about what they might be able to do down under.
The resistance, from the track cognoscenti, will be allowing the HSI group
to "brag" about their "relay gold in Sydney" should they win. It may sound
a little "un-team-like" to the entire American squad for them to say "look
at how great we are, we (HSI) won the gold by ourselves". Although I like
the HSI group and what John/Darrell/Emmanuel are doing, who here thinks we
wouldn't hear that in the months (years?) that follow? Bottom line, the
politics of keeping that group together or breaking it up just "because they
all are on the HSI team" worry me.
Hey, 38.18 for our second team. Each country gets two sleds in bobsledding
("bobsleigh"), so can we have two relay teams? Okay, okay, okay, no other
country would EVER agree to that. Well, maybe we could get the Chinese to
concur after we dangle the "Beijing 2008" carrot in front of them!!
For those of you that are not impressed with my posting here, I am sorry.
But age-graded, it is a personal best!
See you in Sydney,
Bob Bettwy
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P.S. Does anyone know the status of HJ'er Marc Chenn competing for Hong Kong
in Sydney. That was his earlier plan had he not made the US team.
t-and-f: Use the freakin power of the net, will ya?
> I believe in 1991 the Santa Monica Track Club held the 4x100m > world record > at 37.80 in winning Zurich. I don't believe any club team has > gone faster > than HSI's recent time though. > > Mike A third-grader could look up this stuff. Here, you figure it out: http://www.algonet.se/~pela2/mtrack/m4x100ok.htm All-time men's best 4x100m relay Main list 1 37,40 Unites States 1 Barcelona 1992-08-08 Michael Marsh (10,00) 67-08-04 USA Leroy Burrell 67-02-21 USA Dennis Mitchell 66-02-20 USA Carl Lewis (8,85) 61-07-01 USA 2 37,40 United States 1s1 Stuttgart 1993-08-21 Jon Drummond (10,44) 68-09-09 USA André Cason (8,96) 69-01-20 USA Dennis Mitchell (9,43) 66-02-20 USA Leroy Burrell (8,92) 67-02-21 USA 3 37,48 United States 1 Stuttgart 1993-08-22 Jon Drummond 68-09-09 USA André Cason 69-01-20 USA Dennis Mitchell 66-02-20 USA Leroy Burrell 67-02-21 USA 4 37,50 United States 1 Tokyo 1991-09-01 André Cason (10,30) 69-01-20 USA Leroy Burrell (8,91) 67-02-21 USA Dennis Mitchell (9,22) 66-02-20 USA Carl Lewis (9,07) 61-07-01 USA 5 37,59 United States 1 Sevilla 1999-08-29 Jon Drummond 68-09-09 USA Tim Montgomery 75-01-28 USA Brian Lewis 74-12-05 USA Maurice Greene 74-07-23 USA 6 37,65 HS International 1 Berlin 2000-09-01 Jon Drummond 68-09-09 USA Bernard Williams 78-01-19 USA Curtis Johnson 73-12-24 USA Maurice Greene 74-07-23 USA 7 37,67 United States 1 Zürich 1991-08-07 Michael Marsh 67-08-04 USA Leroy Burrell 67-02-21 USA Dennis Mitchell 66-02-20 USA Carl Lewis 61-07-01 USA 8 37,69 Canada 1 Atlanta 1996-08-03 Robert Esmie (10,47) 72-07-05 CAN Glenroy Gilbert (9,02) 68-08-31 CAN Bruny Surin (9,25) 67-07-12 CAN Donovan Bailey (8,95) 67-12-16 CAN 9 37,73 United Kingdom 2 Sevilla 1999-08-29 Jason Gardener 75-09-18 GBR Darren Campbell 73-09-12 GBR Marlon Devonish 76-06-01 GBR Dwain Chambers 78-04-05 GBR 10 37,75 United States 1h2 Tokyo 1991-08-31 André Cason 69-01-20 USA Leroy Burrell 67-02-21 USA Dennis Mitchell 66-02-20 USA Michael Marsh 67-08-04 USA 11 37,77 United Kingdom 2 Stuttgart 1993-08-22 Colin Jackson 67-02-18 GBR Anthony Jarrett 68-08-13 GBR John Regis 66-10-13 GBR Linford Christie 60-04-02 GBR 12 37,79 France 1 Split 1990-09-01 Max Moriniere (10,58) 64-02-16 FRA Daniel Sangouma (8,90) 65-02-07 FRA Jean-Charles Trouabal (9,21) 65-05-20 FRA Bruno Marie-Rose (9,10) 65-05-20 FRA 13 37,79 Santa Monica TC 1 Monaco 1991-08-03 Michael Marsh 67-08-04 USA Leroy Burrell 67-02-21 USA Floyd Heard 66-03-24 USA Carl Lewis 61-07-01 USA 14 37,79 Santa Monica TC 1 Walnut 1994-04-17 Michael Marsh 67-08-04 USA Leroy Burrell 67-02-21 USA Floyd Heard 66-03-24 USA Carl Lewis 61-07-01 USA
Re: t-and-f: my thoughts on ESPN coverage
In a message dated 9/2/00 2:08:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >The other is that in the >distance races they let the clock keep going after the winner has crossed >so >that you can see what time the others ran. YES! One of my all-time pet peeves is not being able to see what finishers 2+ ran for time. How hard can it be? Jim Gerweck Running Times
t-and-f: [02 Sep 00] "The Olympics are on a collision course with a Sydney influenza epid
[02 Sep 00] "The Olympics are on a collision course with a Sydney influenza epidemic, and athletes and spectators have been warned they should be vaccinated before heading for the games..." http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,351107a1992,FF.html
Re: t-and-f: ESPN Coverage
Walt and Larry: (1) Same day coverage is vastly superior to coverage delayed by a couple of days. I'll rearrange my schedule to watch a Golden League meet if broadcast the same day. If delayed by a day, I won't -- just tape it and look at it at my convenience. Same day, it's easy to avoid results. Next day or later, almost impossible. (2) OVerall, coverage has been quite good, just rushed. THe women's 5k last night looked like a great race, and I'm glad that you all squeezed in the last 2 laps. How much better if we could have seen Gaby's break, and then the pack catching her. But I'm sure you all would have much preferred to have 90 minutes or 2 hours to work with. Given the time limitations, last night's show was good. (3) Minor beef: Don't rush the start lists! Sometimes the startlists are posted long enough to read only 3-4 names. If watching from tape, I always have to go back and pause on the start list. (4) Commentary has been good, with the notable exception of the last lap of Tergat's 10k. (5) Second minor beef: This summer there was more switching of camera angles than I remember in the past. Too much, IMHO. Sometimes it was hard to follow what was happening in a race because the angle kept switching. And switching to a crowd scene during an important part of the race (which only happened a couple of times) was really annoying. I don't know how much of this ESPN controlled -- perhaps the problem was the feed you received. Overall, good shows. Much, much better than anything NBC has shown in years. I >never< watch NBC live anymore -- I'll only watch taped coverage so I can FF thru the fluff. But, if possible, I'll watch ESPN at broadcast time. Coty Pinckney At 06:28 AM 9/2/00 -0400, you wrote: >Larry Rawson and myself are confused...during the U.S. Trials, this list was >flooded with commentary, both positive and negative, about the coverage by >NBC and PAX, yet there has been virtually NO discussion about ESPN's coverage >of five Golden League meets. > >Has anyone been watching? Does anyone care? Did it hurt that three of the >shows were delayed a day or two? Trust me, we're not looking for pats on the >back if you liked the shows, but feedback, good and bad, is always welcome(at >least the good feedback). > >Walt Murphy
t-and-f: my thoughts on ESPN coverage
I thought the coverage of the meet was pretty good. I was in Europe for three weeks during August and got to watch Zurich, Brussells, and a few other meets on Eurosport, DSF adn other chanells. They basically all use the same vidoe feed though. Anyway, it seemed as if the pot of gold jackpot was almost played up too much last night. (just my opinion). One criticism -- more of a diff of opinion -- i felt Larry really blew it when he said it's much easier for the sprinters to take golden league money home than the distance runners. A distance runner has won every year. When is the last time El Guerroujj or Haile lost a race. Maurice has lost twice this year. Marion is just Marion - and almost lost to Inger a few weeks ago. whereas for people like El G and Haile the win is usually a forgone conclusion -- you can tell because even when the pace slows most of the rest of the pack still backs off as if they're afarid to get in the mix. Two things that I've seen the Europeans use that are cheap and would hel the viewer a lot are: 1) when they show each athlete at the starting line they also list on the screen their seasonal best and yearly best. The other is that in the distance races they let the clock keep going after the winner has crossed so that you can see what time the others ran. Also when they show splits in the distance races a graphic comes up to show how far behind ech of the next runners are. the praises I have is that they you guys didn't talk just to be talking. you kept interviews short and to the point. the meet was quick and had a good feel to it. just my .02, Kebba >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: t-and-f: ESPN Coverage >Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 06:28:17 EDT > >Larry Rawson and myself are confused...during the U.S. Trials, this list >was >flooded with commentary, both positive and negative, about the coverage by >NBC and PAX, yet there has been virtually NO discussion about ESPN's >coverage >of five Golden League meets. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: t-and-f: WAVA
Ed Koch wrote, >I seem to recall a rule of thumb told me about masters competition some time >ago that the average athlete who stays in shape can expect to lose 1% on >their performance every year past age thirty. Perhaps, the lose of >performance is slower for elite athletes or it starts later (35?). 10.99 is >close to 5% slower than 10.49 (if you believe 10.49 is legit). I'd be >curious to hear what Ken, Ed, or any masters on the list think. My participation in masters track predated the development of age-grading tables, and nearly predated development of the metric system. :-) I remember some agreement among jumpers that a reasonable target for masters was their best high school mark in the event. Age-grading may be useful for ego-stroking and bar-boasting, but it probably doesn't have any place in media reports for general consumption. Cheers, Roger
Re: t-and-f: The Relay team
>From: "Conway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Conway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: t-and-f: The Relay team >Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 22:21:27 -0700 > >HSI's 37.65 is the fastest by a club eclipsing the 37.79 run by Santa >Monica >in 1991 & 1994 ... Not aware of any club holding WR in the auto timed era >.. > >Conway Hill >[EMAIL PROTECTED] When SMTC first ran 37.79 it tied the WR by the French. Kebba Tolbert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) = Men's and Women's Jumps & Multis Coach Syracuse University Track & Field _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: t-and-f: Berlin with feet and inches
Hi Cory schrieb am 02.09.2000: >HIGH JUMP - MEN > Pts > 1 Boswell Mark CAN 2.32 (7' 7 1/4") 12.0 > 2 Hammad Abderahmane ALG 2.29 (7' 6") 10.0 > 3 Klyugin Sergey RUS 2.29 (7' 6") 9.0 > 4 Pennings Wilbert NED 2.25 (7' 4 1/2") 8.0 > 5 Janku JanCZE 2.25 (7' 4 1/2") 7.0 > 6 Boateng KwakuCAN 2.25 (7' 4 1/2") 6.0 > 7 Matusevich KonstantinISR 2.20 (7' 2 1/2") 4.5 > 7 Rhoden Christian GER 2.20 (7' 2 1/2") 4.5 would this be an legal competition in the imperial world? The bar was raised by 5 - 5 - 4 - 3 cm So if we start at 2,15m (7' 0 1/2"), what will be the raising in inches, and would this raising be alowed? I do not think, that the raising in the way they did in Berlin would be alowed in i competition measured in imperial units. This drives me to one conclusion: It doesn´t make any sence to convert the results of a ( highjump and pole-vault ) event measure in SI units into imperial units... ciao dirk
t-and-f: ESPN Coverage
Netters: My take on the ESPN coverage of the Golden whatever series is that it was both good news and bad news: Good news in that we saw, with certain limitations (time element mostly) what the rest of ther world gets. Bad news in that we won't be getting it from Sydney. Once again, the problem with US TV coverage of our sport has seldom been techical experteise (at least not since the cameras stopped automatically following the winner and left us to wonder who placed behind him/her) or commentary (with some obvious exceptions). It has always been with the approach taken by the networks, their insulting display of taped coverage with "live-type" commentary, the infuriating up close and personal items, etc. Ed Grant
Re: t-and-f: SURVIVOR--day 11
On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:04:24 EDT, you wrote: ><< Vote Deal because throwers eat to much >> > >I didn't know lobbying was allowed...? It's the New Deal- a chicken in every pot- and that kind of stuff. Better than Buddhist-temple-style grubbing :-) RT
t-and-f: ESPN Coverage
Walt wrote: "Larry Rawson and myself are confused...during the U.S. Trials, this list was flooded with commentary, both positive and negative, about the coverage by NBC and PAX, yet there has been virtually NO discussion about ESPN's coverage of five Golden League meets." The coverage has been excellent. No need to comment. On monday morning every office place in America is talking about the NFL game the day before. The is no mention of the "coverage" because they show the game therefore people simply can talk about the game. They don't have to worry about the "coverage". ESPN shows the meet. Therefore we can talk about the meet and not have to be concerned about the "coverage".Larry and Walt (behind the scenes) and Lewis are doing an excellent job as always. Unfortunately, the NBC "coverage" at Sydney will be an absolute disaster which is why this list will be forced to talk about the "coverage". I predict there will be more talk on this list about the "coverage" than the the competition, which is unfortunate. ESPN has always been good covering the meets. They are owned by ABC. I wonder if ABC would do as well if they ever telecast a meet. I wonder if their "focus" groups would say we need the crappy coverage DWIGHT's NBC "focus" groups say we need? We will never know because of the monopoly stranglehold NBC has for the next decade. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
t-and-f: Oztrack 100,000
The Oztrack Website reached 100,000 visitors yesterday. http://www.oztrack.com Based in the Blue Mountains west of Sydney, The website was started as a novelty in July 1996 as a way to meet and exchange ideas with other coaches and flush out more Australian Athletics results onto the Internet. The site has been periodically updated and about a year ago it looked like it could make 100,000 by the Olympics. The last few weeks have seen upwards of 500 visitors a day to the main page which is indicative of the interest that is building in the World toward Athletics. The Oztrack Email List now has almost 700 enthusiasts from around the world. http://www.oztrack.com/oztrack.htm The International Athletics Coaches Network is a directory that includes a large number of active coaches and their interests. regardsSteve Bennetthttp://www.oztrack.com
Re: t-and-f: ESPN Coverage
>I don't understand why I should lock my eyes on the center of >the track ANYWAY- I'm not that interested in whether it's a blue or red >track, >or Mondo or Tartan or whatever- >I want to see what the ATHLETES are doing ! :-) > >Kind of like a photographer saying 'watch the birdie'. I've never >yet, after 44 years, been able to figure out what darned birdie >he's talking about. If I ever find that danged bird, it's >fried chicken time. > >RT Being in Europe I don't get to watch ESPN coverage. In Europe, because each country has its own TV station covering the meet, and other countries are therefore taking a feed they cannot control, commentators keep saying something like "the local director keeps switching cameras," Now, maybe the commentators shouldn't tell you to watch the centre of the track, but I figure (Americanism) that that's something you should be able to work out for youself. Randall Northam
Re: t-and-f: my thoughts on ESPN coverage
I wrote a comment to this effect during the NBC coverage. Hopefully it can get into the job description for their camera crews. It is most important to keep the camera fixed and clock running during heats so one can see who qualifies. In the heats, it wuold be nice if they told us for the later heats what the cut-off time was for moving on. But that assumes we will see heats of anything other than sprints ... Maybe the women's 1500. Another wish-list is that when they post the results, they include the wind information. Rarely is it there. Arthur Snoke On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/2/00 2:08:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > The other is that in the distance races they let the clock keep > > going after the winner has crossed so that you can see what time the > > others ran. > > YES! One of my all-time pet peeves is not being able to see what > finishers 2+ ran for time. How hard can it be? > > Jim Gerweck > Running Times >
Re: t-and-f: ESPN Coverage
On Sat, 02 Sep 2000 14:20:19 -0700, you wrote: >Comments >on Brussels: >W100 - One of the announcers says, "Watch the center of the track," after which: >they show a closeup from the side >then they switch to a wide-angle shot from outside lane 9 - (I focus on lanes 3, >4, 5 and 6) >then they switch to a closeup on lanes 3 and 4 >then they switch to a side angle, in from lane 9 >THE GUN >just as the runners are leaving the block, they switch again to a wide-angle shot > >Now, pray tell me, how is one supposed to watch the center of the track when they >keep changing the camera, including right after the start? I don't understand why I should lock my eyes on the center of the track ANYWAY- I'm not that interested in whether it's a blue or red track, or Mondo or Tartan or whatever- I want to see what the ATHLETES are doing ! :-) Kind of like a photographer saying 'watch the birdie'. I've never yet, after 44 years, been able to figure out what darned birdie he's talking about. If I ever find that danged bird, it's fried chicken time. RT
