t-and-f: USATF prez candidate talks dollars sense
Y ask Y: Check out a post by Bob Bowman to the USATF associations mailing list on egroups: http://www.egroups.com/message/usatf_assoc/1225 Bob's running for president of USATF, and what really jumps out in his campaign pitch is his clarion call for USATF to push the IOC and IAAF for America's fair share of revenues from various meets, including TV rights to the WCs. He's right on the money. (Bob also demands a stronger push for IAAF to choose a USA site as host of the WC.) American athletes may not be a big draw outside of the Trials in the U.S., but overseas they fill the coffers of many meets, as well as the IAAF. So why not start playing hardball and demanding a share of the proceeds? Do we have to use the "B" word to get their attention? Bowman talks a lot of sense. Also makes me wonder if anyone else out there running for Pat Rico's job has something to add to the debate. Come out of the closet, U guys, and share your plans. Ken Stone http://www.masterstrack.com PS: Check out http://www.wce.wwu.edu/tracknet/evals2000.pdf This is USATF honcho Bill Roe's evaluation form for Masback. Wonder how he'll fare.
Re: t-and-f: Peter Snell - 800/1500m all-time list
Several notes on Snell: I have seen several references about his grass track times (barefoot). The 1:44.1 time he ran barefoot is unbelievable...really, just think about that for a moment. And for those of you doubting his dominance, check out his Tokyo Olympic race - he buried the field with 300m to go like they were a bunch of local high school students. He crossed the line in about 3:35 or so? That was on loose cinders by the way. As the token kiwi on the list I feel it is my duty to note the exploits of Peter Snell in regards to Matthew H Fraser Moat's question of who should be on both 800/1500m all-time lists. Snell won two Olympic 800m titles (Coe could "only" manage silver). Snell won the Olympic 1500m in Tokyo in 1964 by such an impressive margin (he was smiling coming into the home straight). Snell never officially held the world record for 1500m he did break the WR for the mile twice.
RE:t-and-f: Re Suzy's place in history
If that is really THE Kathi Rounds lurking out there... maybe she could tell us what a 2:38.3 to 2:39.3 is going to feel like, in the middle of a 1500 off a slow opening lap, with a straightaway still to go." Thankfully, I've only run 2 1500's in my life (and I think it took me 2:38 to go through the first 800) so I don't know how it feels. My guess is that it hurts : ) That's an incredible 1000 in the middle of a 1500. I can't even comprehend the ability to run until I drop. Whatever the mistakes Suzy made in the race, she was willing give everything she had to get a medal. I know that people are sometimes critical of her wobbly leg antics and her dramatic "track in the face" finishes. But, she is tenacious to the end. Kathy "who wants to buy my tent" Rounds
RE: t-and-f: Sydney notes...
Cathy's last 200m split was supposedly fast - roughly 25.0 after a 24.0 first 200. Pretty sure she hasn't raced a comp 800m yet. Freeman's 'next best' event potentially could be the 400H (hello Irina!) - Cathy ran 14.0 for 100m Hurdles as a 15yo over a decade ago. Regards - GT - http://homepages.go.com/~oztrack/ -Original Message- From: Dan Kaplan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 4 October 2000 7:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Sydney notes... Watching Freeman last week in the 400, I was wondering what she might be capable of in an 800. Has she ever run one? Did anyone get 50m or 100m splits on her gold medal run? The time wasn't spectacular, but she sure did motor down the home stretch. I can't help but think she'd be much more competitive at 800 than at 200 (not to take anything away from a 200m finalist who has beaten very good runners at the distance), possibly even a threat to Mutola's throne. Mutola is known for her kick, but is much slower than Freeman in terms of foot speed and looks less like an endurance athlete. Of course, that brings us back to the 200 being more "fun" than the 800, so why bother... Dan
RE: t-and-f: Sydney notes...
Irena Szewinska (POL) won 100/200/400/4x100/LJ medals in Olympic competition. For the most dissimilar Olympic medal double, the possible winner might be one of these: Stan Rowley (AUS) - 1900 GOLD 5000m XC Team Race (not that he earned it!) plus 1900 BRONZE 60m BRONZE 100m BRONZE 200m Babe Didriksen 1932 GOLD 80H 1932 GOLD JAV and 1932 SILVER HJ Micheline Ostermayor (FRA) - 1948 GOLD Shot GOLD Discus BRONZE HJ Alexandra Chudina (RUS) 1952 BRONZE HJ and 52 SILVER Javelin Regards - Graham Thomas - http://homepages.go.com/~oztrack -Original Message- From: R.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 4 October 2000 12:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Sydney notes... Related question, prior to this year has there ever been an athlete, male or female, who medaled in an Olympics or World Championships in both the Long Jump and either the open 400 or 4x400? That has to be one of the widest 'dissimilarity' of top-level performance in events ever seen, perhaps comparable to medaling in both the Pole Vault and High Jump.
Re: t-and-f: Peter Snell - 800/1500m all-time list
Grass track yes, barefoot no. Or have I been missing something for the last 35 years? David Dallman On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Jason L Bunston wrote: Several notes on Snell: I have seen several references about his grass track times (barefoot). The 1:44.1 time he ran barefoot is unbelievable...really, just think about that for a moment. And for those of you doubting his dominance, check out his Tokyo Olympic race - he buried the field with 300m to go like they were a bunch of local high school students. He crossed the line in about 3:35 or so? That was on loose cinders by the way. As the token kiwi on the list I feel it is my duty to note the exploits of Peter Snell in regards to Matthew H Fraser Moat's question of who should be on both 800/1500m all-time lists. Snell won two Olympic 800m titles (Coe could "only" manage silver). Snell won the Olympic 1500m in Tokyo in 1964 by such an impressive margin (he was smiling coming into the home straight). Snell never officially held the world record for 1500m he did break the WR for the mile twice. David Dallman CERN - SIS
Re: t-and-f: Peter Snell - 800/1500m all-time list
I have seen several references about his grass track times (barefoot). The 1:44.1 time he ran barefoot is unbelievable...really, just think about that for a moment. I completely agree that Peter Snell's domination was impressive and I can't think of anyone who jumps out as a clearly superior 800/1500 guy when compared to his peers. Running 1:44.1 on a grass track is incredible. But I'm not sure that doing it barefoot is really any more impressive. My own personal experience has been that I can run faster on flat, dry grass with bare feet than I can with any sort of shoes. Anyone else have any thoughts? - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: Sydney notes...
Related question, prior to this year has there ever been an athlete, male or female, who medaled in an Olympics or World Championships in both the Long Jump and either the open 400 or 4x400? That has to be one of the widest 'dissimilarity' of top-level performance in events ever seen, perhaps comparable to medaling in both the Pole Vault and High Jump. To me this double is only slightly more unexpected than medalling in the Long Jump/100 combination. Medaling in the Pole Vault and High Jump in the era of fiberglass poles would be much more unlikely. The Long Jump/400 combo makes no less sense than a 100/400 combo or an 800/5000 combo, both of which have been done recently (Aouita's 800/5000 were at two different Olympics). - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: Peter Snell - 800/1500m all-time list
Jason L Bunston wrote: Several notes on Snell: I have seen several references about his grass track times (barefoot). The 1:44.1 time he ran barefoot is unbelievable...really, just think about that for a moment. I don't believe he ran that race barefoot, or any others. And for those of you doubting his dominance, check out his Tokyo Olympic race - he buried the field with 300m to go like they were a bunch of local high school students. He crossed the line in about 3:35 or so? It was 3:38+. IIRC, in the T F News coverage, they wrote s.t. like, "...to allow a 3:00 1200 was like voting the gold medal to Snell." Dyrol Burleson, despite considerable evidence to the contrary, kept thinking he could outkick Snell. Back in 1961, before Snell's quantum leap, he did beat Snell in a couple of races, an 800 and a mile. In fact, didn't he beat all the 1960 OG 800 medalists in one race? My memory is probably shaky here, and I don't have my old TFNs, so I apologize if this is way off. Cheers, Alan Shank
Re: t-and-f: WARNING- MARATHON RESULTS DISCUSSED
At 11:13 AM 10/01/2000 -0700, Alan Shank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenya 2, dnf, dnf = ? Were the two Kenyans who didn't finish (Lagat and Cheruiyot) added at the expense of the guys who were dumped? I think the silver medalist was one of those added. I can't remember whether they replaced the whole team or just two. Elijah Lagat, the 2000 Boston Marathon champion, was originally on the Kenyan Olympic team, was dumped and then reinstated after an internal battle and after Ondoro Osoro was wounded in a carjacking. The other original team members, Moses Tanui and Japhet Kosgei, were dumped and Kenneth Cheruiyot and Eric Wainaina replaced them. David Monti, Editor and Publisher, Race Results Weekly Sponsored by: F I L A R U N N I N G / R U N N E R ' S W O R L D / S A L M I N I F I L M S P.O. Box 8233[EMAIL PROTECTED] FDR Station +1 212-752-2666 New York, NY 10150-8233 +1 212-752-2626 (fax) USA +1 815-461-2285 (secondary fax) http://www.RaceResultsWeekly.com
t-and-f: NYC Metro Interest Only
October Programming from Salmini Films for endurance sports fans I. RUNNING NEW YORK on MSG Network Airtimes: Saturday, October 7th at 10:30 pm; Monday, October 9th at 7:03 pm; Monday, October 23rd at 7:03 pm; Sunday, October 29th at 6:00 pm. Show Highlights for October: . Continental Airlines Broadway on Broadway run (finishes in Times Square) . Fifth Avenue Mile . Paul Fetscher will run his 30th straight NYC Marathon . Super Runners Shop previews NYC Marathon running apparel . Great Moments in Running presented by Runner's World, a look back at the 1983 NYC Marathon (Geoff Smith vs. Rod Dixon) II. FINISH LINE on Fox Sports NY Network Airdates for October: Tuesday, October 3rd @ 4pm; Tuesday, October 10th at 7:30pm; Saturday, October 21st at 4:30pm; Tuesday, October 24th at 5:00pm. Highlights for October: . Continental Airlines Broadway on Broadway Run . Wheelchair racer Craig Blanchette profiled . Preview of New York's top ski areas, Belleayre, Gore . Reykjavik (ISL) Marathon . Marathon swim in the Hudson River More on both shows at http://www.sportfilm.com ENDS David Monti, Editor and Publisher, Race Results Weekly Sponsored by: F I L A R U N N I N G / R U N N E R ' S W O R L D / S A L M I N I F I L M S P.O. Box 8233[EMAIL PROTECTED] FDR Station +1 212-752-2666 New York, NY 10150-8233 +1 212-752-2626 (fax) USA +1 815-461-2285 (secondary fax) http://www.RaceResultsWeekly.com
t-and-f: gp final startlists
iaaf has them up. unexpected: devers is listed in the 100H. mens 3k looks decent. Joel [.sig] AXAF Public Outreach: http://xrtpub.harvard.edu Morceli Home Page: http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/tetreaul/morceli.html
RE: t-and-f: Peter Snell - 800/1500m all-time list
Ed Parrot wrote: -Original Message- From: Ed Dana Parrot [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 9:35 AM To: Track Listserve Subject: Re: t-and-f: Peter Snell - 800/1500m all-time list I have seen several references about his grass track times (barefoot). The 1:44.1 time he ran barefoot is unbelievable...really, just think about that for a moment. I completely agree that Peter Snell's domination was impressive and I can't think of anyone who jumps out as a clearly superior 800/1500 guy when compared to his peers. Running 1:44.1 on a grass track is incredible. But I'm not sure that doing it barefoot is really any more impressive. My own personal experience has been that I can run faster on flat, dry grass with bare feet than I can with any sort of shoes. Anyone else have any thoughts? [Highfill, Floyd] Abibbe Bikela (sp) and Zola Budd. They definitely ran races (and fast races) barefoot. I also have doubts about Snell running "record times" barefooted. I don't know about now, but in the 70's there were many references to training barefoot on grass with sprinters as well as distance runners. Floyd Highfill
t-and-f: On the topic of drugs in sport....
Does anyone have any insights concerning the Charlie Francis interview posted here? I think it had a lot of points to consider since there was a lot of list traffic regarding just those issues he raised... Anyone?
Re: t-and-f: Dissimilar Oly doubles - oops
Oops - post NBC syndrome. 5th in the 4x400M Still a heck of a combination Thanks Ryan for pointing this out. Tony Craddock At 09:53 AM 10/4/00 -0700, A.J. Craddock wrote: How about Aussie's Perris-Kneebone? Gold in Field Hockey at Atlanta, bronze in W 4x400M at Sydney? Tony Craddock
t-and-f: Poor Sportsmanship at OG may cost endorsements for athletes
October 4, 2000 Advertising Poor Sportsmanship at Olympic Games May Cost Endorsements for Athletes By SUZANNE VRANICA Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL Every two years, athletes keen on becoming the next Mary Lou Retton return from the Olympic Games hoping to cash in on endorsement deals from Madison Avenue advertisers. But some sports-marketing veterans wonder if the poor sportsmanship displayed by some during the Sydney Olympics will affect their ability to land lucrative endorsement deals. The last thing you want to do if you are a company is buy more headaches, said Allen Adamson, managing director of branding and image consultants Landor Associates, a unit of Young Rubicam. You look to use this opportunity as a way to project a positive image about your brand. Since sports sponsorship is not usually critical to the business, there is no reason to take a risk. One of the most striking examples of poor judgment involved the men's 4x100-meter relay race. Maurice Greene of the U.S. and his teammates, Jon Drummond, Bernard Williams and Brian Lewis, indulged themselves in a seemingly endless round of self-congratulations after their win. They posed like professional wrestlers and flexed their muscles during their victory lap. Mr. Greene also stuck out his tongue at the TV cameras. Just a bunch of happy guys enjoying themselves? Maybe, but bad sportsmanship can definitely have an effect on an individual's earning potential says Jim Andersen, editorial director IEG Sponsorship Report, a Chicago-based newsletter that covers corporate sponsorship. Companies looking to sign Olympic athletes have many to chose from -- Americans won 97 medals, 39 of them gold. Everything being equal in terms of performance, most firms prefer to sign athletes considered good corporate citizens, adds Mr. Andersen. Emanuel Hudson, a sports attorney with Hudson Smith International who represents Mr. Greene, says his client didn't do anything wrong. Mr. Hudson, who also represents Messrs. Drummond and Williams, notes that Mr. Greene has business relationships with Coca-Cola's Powerade and Konami, a Tokyo video-games maker. Still, Mr. Hudson says that when Mr. Greene saw a tape of the winning team on the Olympics medal platform, He immediately apologized on behalf of [his teammates] as well as for himself. Mr. Hudson doesn't expect Mr. Greene to lose any endorsements because of his behavior. Wednesday, Kellogg USA, the Battle Creek, Mich., cereal giant, disclosed that Mr. Greene will appear on commemorative boxes of cereal. The deal was struck prior to the incident on the medal stand. The whole incident was regrettable, says Joe Stuart, Kellogg's senior vice president of corporate affairs and chief ethics officer. They [athletes] have all apologized and we too apologize, but this was all caught-up-in-the-moment stuff. It's not a reflection of the kind of character these young people have. We think they deserve to be forgiven and hope that they are going to learn from this. Olympic athletes also appearing on boxes include track star Marion Jones, Jenny Thompson, the swimming sensation who earned her sixth, seventh and eighth relay gold medals in Sydney, and backstroker Lenny Krayzelburg, who won three gold medals. Boorish behavior displayed at the Sydney games included U.S. intermediate hurdler James Carter, who taunted his slower competitors in the last few meters of a semifinal. He finished fourth in the finals. Swimmer Amy Van Dyken spit it in the lane of opponent Inge de Bruijn of the Netherlands before their 50-meter freestyle heat began. And the trash-talking U.S. men's basketball team, dubbed Dream Team III, also took some hits for its lack of sportsmanship. Grandstanding and poor manners aside, Americans still hold Olympic athletes in higher regard than they do members of the National Football League, the National Basketball Association or Major League Baseball, according to a poll of 11,000 Americans conducted throughout the Olympics by Harris Interactive. About 83% of those surveyed said that Olympic athletes positively represent the country while only 47% selected the NFL, 29% picked MLB and 28% chose the NBA. You can't count the bad boys out. Some companies that want to position themselves as mavericks embrace bold public personalities. One example: sneaker maker And1's yet-to-be aired TV commercial starring hot-tempered Bobby Knight, the basketball coach of Indiana University who recently was fired. And1 has also used Latrell Sprewell, a guard on the New York Knicks basketball team, in its ads. Mr. Sprewell was suspended and fined by the NBA for choking a former coach. Obviously they are looking for that kind of edge, says IEG's Mr. Andersen. ***
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--- Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For these reasons, I am clearly old and out of it, and more than ever have not a clue what the hell I am talking. Truly this is a sad day. Indeed! -Why no mention of Portland drubbing ranked Southern Utah? It was a very impressive performance by Portland. Why no mention of the "little" DIII team that ran competitively with the DI big guns? ;-) Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - AbleDesign, Web Design that Can! http://Run-Down.com - 8,500 Running Links, Free Contests... @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) / / (503)370-9969 phone/fax __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
t-and-f: NBC posts lowest Olympic ratings ever
October 4, 2000 NBC Posts Low Olympic Ratings, But Still Beats the Competition By JOE FLINT Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL NBC's coverage of the Summer Olympic games from Sydney ended up being the lowest-rated in recent history, but still easily beat the competition during the network's 17-day coverage of the event. Final numbers from Nielsen Media Research indicate that on average, 21.5 million viewers watched the 8 p.m. to 11 p.m. prime-time coverage of the games. That was down 35% from the 33.1 million who watched the 1996 games from Atlanta. Of course, games held in the U.S. tend to perform much better in the ratings. But ratings for Sydney were down 17% from the 1992 games in Barcelona and down 14% from the 1988 Seoul games, when the time difference posed similar problems. NBC initially promised advertisers that the games would average at least a 16.1 household rating, but the General Electric Co. unit ended up delivering a 13.8. (Each rating point represents 1,022,000 homes.) Because of that, NBC had to offer advertisers additional commercials during the games to cover for the lower-than-expected ratings. In order to avoid packing the broadcast with commercials, NBC reduced the number of promotions for its fall lineup, a painful move for the network, as one of the biggest appeals of the Olympics is the platform it offers to market new shows. In an effort to boost the ratings, NBC also took the unusual step of not airing any commercials on several nights during the low-rated first half-hour (7 p.m. to 7:30 p.m.) of coverage, because Nielsen doesn't start measuring a program until a commercial is shown. Still, NBC executives said the network is pleased with the numbers, considering that the competition for viewers has grown intensely during the past 20 years and they were up against a huge time difference, which led them to show the games on tape delay in the U.S. Also, the games aired in September and October rather than July, when there are fewer choices and kids aren't busy with school. NBC, which paid $705 million for rights to the games, said it sold $900 million in gross advertising and expects to turn a slight profit even though the games underdelivered. Comparisons to games before 1988 are hardly fair since cable television was then in its infancy. To compare ratings to anytime before 1980 also is difficult, because in those days there were only three broadcast networks and viewers had fewer choices, which just about guaranteed very high ratings for the games. We live in a changing television landscape, yet the Olympics remain the strongest television franchise in the U.S. and the world, NBC Sports Chairman Dick Ebersol said. The games also boosted NBC's cable networks MSNBC and CNBC, which saw large increases in ratings from coverage of the games. The fall season also got under way this week. NBC's Monday comedies Daddio and Tucker posted disappointing ratings, but Deadline, a new drama, had solid numbers, as did CBS's new comedy Yes, Dear and the premiere of its veteran show Everybody Loves Raymond. Both NBC and Viacom Inc.'s CBS benefited in part from lower-than-usual ratings for the Monday Night Football match on Walt Disney Co.'s ABC. The game between the Kansas City Chiefs and Seattle Seahawks had limited national appeal. Write to Joe Flint at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Peter Snell's achievements
Hi out there. I'd like to make a few comments concerning the posts about Peter Snell. I will not judge him versus Seb Coe and the rest. I just note that they both were super athletes, and the best thing with this discussion is that we now write about them. Abot Peter Snell. His 800 WR was 1:44.3 (not 1:44.1) as noted. This was clocked in an 880 yard race in Christchurch, NZL, on Feb 3, 1962. (The race started at 14.55 / 2.55PM). The venue was Lancaster Park and it was a grass track. I have not found any numbers on the length of the lap. But - I think that it might have been full size. His 1 Mile record the same year was set at the grass track in Wanganui, which was 385 yards (=352.04 m). I think we might have the confusing factor there. The results: 1. Peter Snell 1:45.1 (880 y = WR. All three watches 1:45.1). 800 m: 1:44.3 =WR (watches at 1:44.2 - 1:44.3 - 1:44.4). 2. James Dupree, USA 1:49.6 3. John Bork, USA 1:53.5 The pace was set by Barry Robinson, who passed 440 y at 50.7. Snell's splits were: 24.8y - 26.2y (51.0y) - 25.9y (1:16.9y) - 28.2y (1:45.1y). Lap times 51.0y - 54.1y. Was he running barefoot? I have a picture which is said to be from that race, and on that picture he wears spikes. So I guess - NO. The old WR's were by the way completely smashed. 800 m: 1:45.7 Roger Moens, BEL 1955 880 y: 1:46.8 Tom Courtney, USA 1957 Peter Snell broke a few other WR's as well. 1000 m: 2:16.6 Auckland, Nov 12 1964. (Prev record 2:16.7 Siegfried Valentin, GDR 1960) 1 Mile: 3:54.4 Wanganui Jan 27, 1962. (Prev record 3:54.5 Herb Elliott, AUS 1958) 3:54.1 Auckland Nov 17, 1964. (Snell broke his own record. Acutally FAT 3:54.04) 660 y (unofficial record): 1:16.9y (Intermediate time in the 800/880 race) (Prev record 1:17.0y Jack Yerman, USA 1959) 1000 y: 2:06.0i Los Angeles Feb 10, 1962 (160 y banked boards). (Prev record 2:07.1 (outdoors) Ernie Cunliffe, USA 1961. Snell's win at the Tokyo OG 1500 indeed was impressive. But the winning time was 3:38.1, (no 3:35...) still impressive. (The 3:35... was the 3:35.6 by Herb Elliott in Rome 1960 - also on cinder (Ryun's 3:33.1 in 1967 was also a cinder track mark!) Snell's winning margin was impressive as well. 1.5 sec to both silver winner Josef Odlozil of Czechoslovakia and bronze winner John Davies of New Zealand. Well, there we have some facts. A good writer also mentions his sources. Most of the results (all concerning the WR races, except the 440 split for pace maker Barry Robinson) come from the superb "Progression of world best performances and official IAAF World Records". Main author Richard Hyman. Published in 1999. Some facts come from the Swedish annual "Friidrott", a series which in text, pictures and statistics covers the Track year and which has been around since 1960. It's also in that book that I have found the picture from the 1962 800/880 race. Mats Åkerlind Gävle, Sweden "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: t-and-f: Cross Talk...No More Grote Poll.
--- Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For these reasons, I am clearly old and out of it, and more than ever have not a clue what the hell I am talking. Truly this is a sad day. Indeed! -Why no mention of Portland drubbing ranked Southern Utah? It was a very impressive performance by Portland. Why no mention of the "little" DIII team that ran competitively with the DI big guns? ;-) Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - AbleDesign, Web Design that Can! http://Run-Down.com - 8,500 Running Links, Free Contests... @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) / / (503)370-9969 phone/fax __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
t-and-f: Change of carreers
A similar case to Perris-Kneebone. In 1992 Germany's Nico Motchebon was very close to the Olympic Team in Modern Pentathlon. He was even on German TV, showing the clothing that the Germans would wear in Barcelona. But then he was left home as reserve. (He was also 5th in the 1991 World Championships and 3rd in Team). In 1993 he took the bronze at 800 m in the World Indoors and then had a long and successful carreer in running. Quite a change! Mats Åkerlind
Re: t-and-f: Cross Talk...No More Grote Poll.
--- Ryan Grote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For these reasons, I am clearly old and out of it, and more than ever have not a clue what the hell I am talking. Truly this is a sad day. Indeed! -Why no mention of Portland drubbing ranked Southern Utah? It was a very impressive performance by Portland. Why no mention of the "little" DIII team that ran competitively with the DI big guns? ;-) Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - AbleDesign, Web Design that Can! http://Run-Down.com - 8,500 Running Links, Free Contests... @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) / / (503)370-9969 phone/fax __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
Re: t-and-f: Media Groups Remain Unhappy With Olympic Internet Blackout
At 11:34 AM 10/4/2000 -0700, you wrote: October 4, 2000 World-Wide Media Groups Remain Unhappy With Olympic Internet Blackout Associated Press NEW YORK -- Unhappy with a blanket Internet ban that took place during the Sydney Games, many of the world's leading media organizations are demanding greater freedom in 2002 to broadcast via the Web. Take note for those that do not know is that the 2000 Paralympic Games will be broadcast live on the web at www.wemedia.com Wemedia set up the web cast first then went to land some U.S. TV packages through Pax and Fox Sports. In many other nations the TV deals were already in place. If your interested in watching log on to www.wemedia.com beginning with the October 18 Opening Ceremonies and going through October 29 with the Closing Ceremonies. Sydney is Here, Tim Willis
t-and-f: IOC double standard?
Seems like a double standard to me. This whole thing at the Olympics was just an attempt to make the US look bad after teh Salt Lake City incident that embarrased the IOC and made them "reform" themselves. Gen. Barry McCaffrey is a no-nothing windbag politician, and should stay in DC with the other scumbags. Lets not here govt moves for drug reform in sport until they tackle the "major" sports first which have a decidedly greater influence on the American youth and culture that TF does. End the hypocrisy, MJR IOC doesn't identify athletes in question Reuters SYDNEY, Australia -- Two athletes tested positive for banned drugs after competing during the last two days of the Sydney Games, the International Olympic Committee said. The IOC did not identify the athletes, saying only that their national delegations and the relevant international sports federations had been notified. Earlier test failures during the Games had been dealt with by an IOC medical commission hearing in Australia. However, the latest two athletes to fail have already left the country, the IOC said. Their cases will be dealt with at a hearing within 30 days in Lausanne, with the commission's recommendations then being passed on to the IOC executive board for a final decision.
t-and-f: Olympic syringes
Newsweek reports that used syringes were found by Australian cleaning crews in the rooms of athletes from 20 nations. Gotta love those B-12 injections! Tony Craddock
Re: t-and-f: Olympic syringes
The Sydney Newspspers reported this a few days ago, said that there were so many in the "Bulgarian" accomodations they were the only ones they identified. Also, because the did not use the container provided for the syringes some of the housekeeping staff were stabbed. So they refused to clean their rooms. They also indicated that those throwaways tested had only vitamins or other legal substances in them. Stella Franci
Re: t-and-f: NBC posts lowest Olympic ratings ever
Tony Craddock quoted Joe Flint, Wall Street Journal: Final numbers from Nielsen Media Research indicate that on average, 21.5 million viewers watched the 8 p.m. to 11 p.m. prime-time coverage of the games. That was down 35% from the 33.1 million who watched the 1996 games from Atlanta. Of course, games held in the U.S. tend to perform much better in the ratings. But ratings for Sydney were down 17% from the 1992 games in Barcelona and down 14% from the 1988 Seoul games, when the time difference posed similar problems. . . . Still, NBC executives said the network is pleased with the numbers, considering that the competition for viewers has grown intensely during the past 20 years and they were up against a huge time difference, which led them to show the games on tape delay in the U.S. That raises the spectre of annual summer re-runs of the telecasts until the next Olympic Games. Reason would have it that audiences for the re-runs should be down, since most people already know how the events turned out; but, then, most people already knew how the events turned out before the original NBC showings, so I wouldn't expect the NBC brass to correct themselves at this point. :-) And while I'm being paranoid, I'm reminded of Paul Tucknott's September 14 posting: CBC SPORTS ONLINE - A powerful American television network executive has thrown his support behind Toronto's bid to host the 2008 Olympics. Dick Ebersol, the head of NBC Sports and its Olympics coverage, cites Toronto's geographic position -- convenient for American broadcasts-- as the main reason for his support. Gee, if NBC supports Toronto's bid and Toronto gets the Games, does that mean that NBC could block CBC and TSN broadcasts in Canada? Cheers, Roger
t-and-f: LYNN NELSON in ULTRAMARATHON
Lynn Nelson, 1988 Olympic Trials 10,00 meter champ (and Seoul Olympic finalist), an Oregon (via MN, AZ and CA) resident debuted at the 50 kilometer ultramarathon distance recently. The race director referred to her performance as "Trasonesque" (referring to Ann, the Bob Beamon of ultras??). Enjoy the attached story and results. -Mike Fanelli Subject: McKenzie River - Results We had a glorious day on the river, after a hard rain on Friday dampened the trail and riled up the yellow jackets. Craig Thornley battled fellow Eugenean Kevin Myers all morning, coming back from a two minute deficit halfway through to prevail by 5 minutes. Lynn Nelson, also of Eugene, put forth what I must call a 'Trasonesque' effort as she took 45 minutes off the women's course record! She blew by some pretty classy ultrarunners in John Robinson and Steve Smucker, leaving them to wonder how they got beat by a woman "in Oregon!" This lady is for real. If she can stay healthy, there is no limit to where her national class track speed could take her in the ultra world. This event concluded the state's first ultra trail series, and interest in trail racing has never been higher in Oregon. The popularity of the 50K distance has brought out a lot of new faces, and with all the young people flocking to these events, the health of the sport here is at an all time high. Phil Vaughn (RD) 01 Craig Thornley 36 3:54:40 02 Kevin Myers403:59:34 03 LynnNelson 384:01:14 04 JohnRobinson 34 4:02:47 05 Steve Smucker 46 4:02:53 06 JohnPearch 27 4:06:43 07 Justin Soares 21 4:08:53 08 DaveMcJunkin554:12:27 09 AndyDale 31 4:12:41 10 Scott Diamond 39 4:16:14 11 CurtRingstad 48 4:32:19 12 Dante Biancucci 29 4:35:50 13 JeffPhillips 28 4:37:55 14 Susan Fox 32 4:38:52 15Clem LaCava 514:38:58 16 Steve Petersen 46 4:41:48 17 Carmen Ripley 30 4:44:32 18 MikeHendrickson 37 4:46:20 19 Sylvia Dion28 4:49:14 20 GeneSkinner 44 4:49:30 21 MarcAdams 32 4:49:30 22 Rod Beckner 35 4:50:53 23 MarkWarner 41 4:51:35 24 GregWheeler 544:52:03 25 Michael Christiansen 35 4:53:40 26 Linda Samet 34 4:54:11 27 LisaHusaby 37 4:58:48 28 Marcus Mayfield 44 5:01:39 29 Kelly Woodke 33 5:02:01 30 Laurie Cullen 36 5:02:39 31 JodiKartes 30 5:03:48 32 Steve Loitz 44 5:07:44 33 Scott Martin 28 5:08:54 34 David Lygre 58 5:08;54 35 Kelly Strome 36 5:10:14 36 Stephan Willow 32 5:11:13 37 Clayton Gillette 445:11:37 38 DaveChase 52 5:15:00 39 MarkKalen 36 5:15:45 40 Ken Ward43 5:16:33 41 Colin Loader 37 5:18:07 42 Jan Liebeskind 395:18:33 43 David Brewer 48 5:19:02 44 Ted Heid56 5:25:19 45 KirkHendrickson 46 5:26:28 46 MarkSchofer 40 5:26:51 47 Steve Varga 47 5:28:57 48 Bob Lynes 62 5:30:48 49 David Bateham 40 5:32:29 50 James Ridlington 55 5:33:46 51 Jon Gnass 45 5:38:37 52 Melissa Berman 47 5:38:40 53 Rebecca Wallick 42 5:38:40 54 JodyScheffelmaier 52 5:40:04 55 Aubrey Robbins 22 5:42:03 56 BillRobbins 64 5:42:22 57 JeffMikesell 395:44:22 58 Ben Benjamin 535:45:01 59 Diane Jones 41 5:45:43 60 Laura Cesar 23 5:48:17 61 Jeral Godfrey 57 5:55:33 62 SeanHarrasser 33 5:58:05 63 Barbara Ringstad 44 6:00:18 64 Ronda Sundermeier 326:03:23 65 Karen Gnass 38 6:04:16 66 Stacey Bunton 36 6:05:29 67 Marlis DeJongh 48 6:08:12 68 Jenny Cruickshank 30 6:13:20 69 Joanne Bernt 45 6:16:16 70 Joanne Richter 46 6:16:16 71 Melanie Johnson 45 6:20:33 72 Kathy Cafazzo 47 6:35:07 73 Jon Tressler 53 6:36:16 74 Thomas Alexander 61 6:41:18 75 Corriedawn Greiling 31 6:59:58 76 David Elsbernd 46 6:59:58 77 Bob Ross57 7:08:02 78 DanaPrice 34 7:09:41 79 Joanne Ross60 7:58:04
Re: t-and-f: devers
Jack Pfeifer wrote: Re Devers in GP start list: Does she have to run at this meet to get her share of the million$ won earlier this year? That's part of the deal, but I don't know whether there can be an exception if a person is injured. Cheers, Alan Shank
t-and-f: Olympic syringes
The Sydney Newspspers reported this a few days ago, said that there were so many in the "Bulgarian" accomodations they were the only ones they identified. Also, because the did not use the container provided for the syringes some of the housekeeping staff were stabbed. So they refused to clean their rooms. They also indicated that those throwaways tested had only vitamins or other legal substances in them. Stella Franci Don't spoil Tony Craddock's day. Randall Northam
t-and-f: Odd doubles
Netters: The unsual doubles beind posted for some athletes just indicates how much talent there is out there which never gets to our sport. The posts which I have received on Marla Runyan---and I thank all who sent info---also point to this as, without her vision problems, she may have stuck to soccer and become another Mia Hamm. We have had a number of cases like that here in NJ, with the transfers coming mostly from soccer (usually because the athletes got a chance to run either CC or indoor/outdoor track and had more success there) or gymnastics (also because of success, but occasionally because of injury). Our best ever girl miler started off as a gymnast but had trouble with her hands breaking out with blisters and switched over (Michelle Rowen). And a tragic case was a girl who lost her arm as a esut of a gymn accident, but became a very successful (if on a smaller scale) Hs and college runner. Track and field simply has to accept that, in the current climate (and in the past as well), we never get to see a lot of the talent out there. Our best stories of transfer are of a HS baseball player at Fair Lawn who ran only one race in HS and another at South Side HS, Newark, who ran perhaps three or four. The first was talked into running at the Englewood Memorial meet when NJ athletes could still compete in two strenuous sports in the same season. He went on to set a WR in the straightaway 220 and take a silver medal at Rome (losing a relay gold to a d/q). His name was dave Sime. The second, who always imagiuned himself as another Willie Mays, bunted and legged his way to a .500 batting average, running only indoors in the years when we had no state indoor meet. But he became part of a WR SHR team in college, barely missed making two Olympic teams, one in the HH, the other in the IH, and is now coaching successfully in college. His name is Russ Rogers. Ed Grant PS: And then, of course, Marty Liquori (and Tommy Farrell as well) went to HS imagining themselves as basketball players.
t-and-f: Coaching Position Available
I am forwarding this for a friend. Please reply to the e-mail address or phone numbers below: The Heidelberg College (Tiffin, OH) Track and Field and Cross Country program is looking to fill a vacant part time assistant coach position. Primary responsibilities will involve, but will not be limited to, working with field event groups and administrative and recruiting duties. The Heidelberg Men's Cross Country and Track and Field teams have been the Ohio Athletic Conference Champions the past 2 years. Heidelberg is a member of the NCAA DIII. The position offers either a $1000 stipend per semester or 8 semester graduate or undergraduate hours (must be taken at Heidelberg). A full year position would offer a $500 stipend and 16 graduate or undergraduate hours for those that apply to, and are accepted by the graduate school. Heidelberg offers masters degrees in Education, Counseling, and an MBA in Business Administration. Position will remain open until filled and will start sometime between now and January 5, 2001. Interested individuals should contact: Bret Kimple Head Men's Cross Country Coach Head Men's Women's Track Field Coach Instructor of Health and Physical Education [EMAIL PROTECTED] Heidelberg College (310) E. Market St. Tiffin, OH 44883 (419) 448-2011 (419) 448-2025 (fax)
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t-and-f: Modernizing the IAAF World Rankings
Previous threads have pointed out several flaws in the current IAAF world rankings system. I believe they are in fact numerous flaws and they need to be addressed. Some are probably reasonably straightforward to fix and some are not. One issue that has not been mentioned on this list is the issue of fairness of the Hungarian tables in the current era. I don't really know that much about the tables so I may be confused but it has always been my assumption that the tables are driven essentially by the current state of the all-time lists in a given event. Well, guess what? Some all time lists are almost completely stagnant. For instance choosing 4 womens field events that have been in the last several Olympic games if you look at the all time top 30 lists as of Jan 1 1988 and then again Jan 1 1998 you notice some marked differences in the number of "old" marks. In the High Jump, Long Jump, Shot Put and Discus throws the number of marks from 1977 or before on the 1987 list were 0,0,7 and 0. In 1997 the numbers from 1987 or before were 16,16,23 and 17. Current performances in numerous womens, and several men's events have simply stopped progressing. My fix for this problem would be to have the tables used for the IAAF rankings only consider marks made in the last decade. Anything older than that is basically ancient history. I really think that this would create a lot more equity between events. I don't really care what the root cause of this change is. (Many have already speculated at length.) I just think this would more realistically reflect the current state of the sport. David Donley
Re: t-and-f: Let's Kill All The Lawyers
We all know that Shakespeare was a pen name. What was he trying to cover-up! Ed Koch -Original Message- From: Bruce Glikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TFMail List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 1:43 PM Subject: FW: t-and-f: Let's Kill All The Lawyers bruce, a few points. Larry Eder, some counter points below your 'few points': 1. get off the kill all the lawyers stuff. Anyone who deals with lawyers, ie anyone who has their own business realizes that they keep you out of more trouble than they get you into. Also note that several of our prominent track geeks are lawyers. Shakespeare's words, not mine, Larry. I wish I'd have been clever enough to have authored them. They've endured through the ages because of their sharp ring of truth. Sure, there are good attorneys out there too. Most intelligent readers who don't take everything they read literally understand that. I narrowed my post down to three men, all in high positions of power, all trained as attorneys. It was their dogged adherence to that training that caused all three such problems. All attorneys would not have acted in the fashion that these three men did. Again, most of us with a pulse 'get' that. And the fact that 'several of our prominent track geeks are lawyers' as a deterrent to expressing my opinion? You've got the wrong guy, Larry. Save your fatherly advice advocating self censorship for those with thinner skins. My thoughts won't be suppressed by the fear of ruffling the feathers of anybody on this list, regardless of their position of power or 'prominence'. In my mind, all members on this list have equal status. 2. Also unless you have talked to Masback, and understand that if he talks that US law allows any athlete, guilty or not guilty to sue the USATF, the USOC and whoever else they want to the ends of the earth, then cut the slick comments. The Amateur Sports Act of 1977 is what Masback is talking about, and he had nothing to do with that. Blame the guy for stuff he is responsible for, not for something he was saddled with. Granted, he assumed an organization that was riddled with problems that he did not cause. But I can't ever recall him publicly coming out and stating such. Why not? Why didn't he seek help right from the get-go by going public if he knew his federation was unable to unilaterally handle its problems? Why not having gone public and sought some type of umbrella protection that would protect them from lawsuits? Perhaps Congress? If USATF does not have the resources to handle potential litigation, then they have to be melded into an organization that can. Otherwise we continue this charade and the problems multiply. 3. And in terms of how slick it was to offer that the World Drug agency handle drug testing for USATF, does ken stone actually think any USATF representative at the convention is going to fight giving up drug testing and the liability that it involves? Why not deal in that little place called reality. I don't know who Ken Stone is, or what you're alluding to, so I won't respond to this. 4. This is supposed to be a place where we exchange ideas, all I see is mudslinging. If track is so damn bad that you can only think of drug use anytime anyone breaks nine minutes for two miles, then join the PBA, I hear that they are going to start testing. You're way out on left field on this one, Larry. If you read my novel 'Slinger Sanchez Running Gun' you'd know how far off base you are. The book is an inspirational story about a clean kid, with immense talent, who gets to the top after fighting off unwarranted charges. The book is charged with passion, detailing the beauty of track running and competition. If all you can see is drug issues, that's your problem. If memory serves me correct, you have some vested interest in the track and field business too. Don't you, Larry? Bruce Glikin/author/'Slinger Sanchez Running Gun' http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0966345800
t-and-f: I have evidence, says US drugs boss
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/olympics2000/newsid_955000/955496.stm The former director of drug control for the US Olympics Committee has told a federal judge that he has enough evidence to back up his claims that the organisation sabotaged his anti-drug battle. Dr Wade Exum sued the USOC in July, claiming its leaders sabotaged the anti-drug battle it hired him to wage and discriminated against him because he is black. The USOC has moved for some of the claims to be thrown out, saying they were made under state law. They have asked a federal court in Denver to dismiss them But Exum said his original complaint contains enough evidence of wrongdoing to let the suit proceed. Race discrimination claims He claimed the USOC evaded its responsibility to screen and discipline athletes for drugs in its quest to produce medal-winning competitors. The USOC responded separately to the race-discrimination claims and has not moved to dismiss them, Exum's lawyer, John McKendree, said. Exum resigned in June after nine years as director of the USOC's Drug Control Administration. In their response to the dismissal motion, Exum's lawyers on Friday said he was publicly portrayed in a false light, wrongfully fired and victimised by fraud and breach of contract. They claimed "the USOC has fouled his reputation by placing his name at the top of a system that, beyond his control, encourages the use of dangerous, illegal drugs by athletes." USOC officials were still in Sydney after the Olympic Games or were on their way back on Tuesday, and could not be reached for comment. A former USOC medical chief alleged in a sworn affidavit filed Friday that U.S. Olympic athletes commonly used banned drugs and the USOC covered up positive tests. Dr Robert Voy, chief medical officer from 1983 to 1989, also said the USOC had no interest in curbing the use of such drugs. He said its doping program encouraged the use of performance-enhancing drugs. At the time, a USOC official said Exum had offered to resign nine months earlier, saying he would not sue the organisation on condition that it paid him US$5.5 million.
t-and-f: Greene turns back on huge payday
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/athletics/newsid_956000/956195.stm Olympic 100m champion Maurice Greene has turned down the chance to race for $500,000 in the Grand Prix final in Qatar on Thursday. The world record holder has taken the decision to fly back home to the United States from Sydney rather than compete in the final IAAF Grand Prix of the season. The $3.4m event has attracted 12 Olympic gold medallists from Sydney, including triple jump champion Jonathan Edwards and triple-Olympic medallist Marion Jones. Charlie Wells, manager of Jones, was particularly surprised by Greene's decision. He said: "You don't walk away from thousands of dollars like that. You can never get that money back." Overall record Greene has forfeited the chance to win $200,000 awarded to the athlete with the best overall record throughout all the major Grand Prix through the season. However, Jones is in no such predicament. She could be in line for an additional $50,000 if she were to win her re-match against Heike Drechsler and Fiona May in the long jump, both of whom pushed her into bronze in Sydney. Despite many of the athletes and officials arriving three hours late from a gruelling 21-hour flight from Sydney, Wells refused to criticise the timing of the schedules. He said: "If it requires us to travel 24 hours to put on a show, then that's what they pay us for." Entertain "It's part of our job. Our job is to entertain. It's a shame for the ones who miss it." Wells also confirmed Jones was enticed by the financial rewards of the Qatar meet. He added: "It's business, strictly business." The Khalifa Stadium stages only its third Grand Prix with women athletes after only allowing them to compete in 1998. With huge ground made by the IAAF and Qatar government, the Grand Prix has been elevated to stage the final meet of the season and will be watched by up to 50,000 spectators.
Re: t-and-f: Let's Kill All The Lawyers
We all know that Shakespeare was a pen name. What was he trying to cover-up! Obviously he was a frustrated javelin thrower, given the name. As for that Montague and Capulet stuff, it was obviously a pseudonym for IOC versus USATF. Et tu, Merode? RT
Re: t-and-f: On the topic of drugs in sport....
In the interests of full and fair disclosure, it should be pointed out that R.T., while being a frequent and sometimes brilliant poster to this List, is also a USA Track and Field Official. As such, one would expect a reflexive lack of support from him for a Canadian espousing the heretical viewpoint that the sport was not clean. Tony Craddock _ At 07:22 PM 10/4/00 -0700, R.T. wrote: On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:59:40 -0400, you wrote: Does anyone have any insights concerning the Charlie Francis interview posted here? I think it had a lot of points to consider since there was a lot of list traffic regarding just those issues he raised... Anyone? It sounded to me a lot like one of those interviews where Charlie Francis asks a question and then jumps in the other chair to answer. The whole thing sounded set up, like Francis at the very least gave the interviewer 'talking points'. The guy was just a straight man feeding Francis the triggers for what he wanted to say. Certainly not a hard-hitting, challenge-him-on-every-point of credibility and facts interview. Just my take. Francis earned a well deserved reputation for dishonesty in involving himself heavily in the doping game- so why should I believe anything he says now? He already lost any credibility a long time ago. RT
Re: t-and-f: On the topic of drugs in sport....
In the interests of full and fair disclosure, it should be pointed out that R.T., while being a frequent and sometimes brilliant poster to this List, is also a USA Track and Field Official. As such, one would expect a reflexive lack of support from him for a Canadian espousing the heretical viewpoint that the sport was not clean. Actually, I would NOT go so far as to say that whatever Francis says, the opposite is true. However, there is every motivation for Francis to twist the story so that he is viewed in the best possible light. He is NOT the first person I would go to if I would want to find out the truth. By the way, make that FORMER USA Track and Field Official. I have resigned, for reasons that have nothing to do with my love for the sport, and everything to do with the need to spend more time with family... I will expect some of you young whippersnappers who are 'right out of college' and yet to have much in the way of family obligations to get involved and take my place as an on-the- field official. RT
