Re: t-and-f: Elite Track in Astrodome
>Oh...Astroturf came about because they couldn't grow grass there. So >is there a plan for that, too? Perhaps a removable field like in the >new Sapporo Dome? When it first opened back in the 60s, the Astrodome had nice natural grass. The dome had clear glass windows that permitted the grass to grow with no problem. The problem was that the artsy pattern of the windows overhead made if very difficult for outfielders to see (and hence catch) fly balls. The dome was good for grass but bad for baseball. The solution was to paint over the glass, which solved the fly ball problem but killed the grass. Hence the necessity for the invention of Astroturf. Since it's not a baseball park anymore, they can simply scrape the paint off the glass and grow natural grass again if they want to. No special new technology is needed. Kurt Bray _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Re: t-and-f: Ja'Warren Hooker Status
Several list members have informed me that Hooker has had an Achilles tendon injury but hopes to be competing again next year. Apparently Orin Richburg had been coaching him this year. Best wishes to Ja'Warren. I had been afraid that he had left the sport. Charley Shaffer Seattle
t-and-f: Elite Track in Astrodome
>>Oh...Astroturf came about because they couldn't grow grass there. So is there a plan for that, too? The indoor grass technology (yes, there is such a thing) has gotten to the point where grass can be used in the dome now. I think the World Cup used it for games, as grass is required. With the limited needs of T&F it is very doable with the tray system that is used to put grass indoors. MJR
t-and-f: This is what T&F needs to generate excitment and press coverage!
I disagree completely. The media must get over its stupid need to invent stories (like this) and report on what is already happening. There is enough sports news already occurring in a T&F competition, where we don't need any circus crap. What we need is journalists/broadcasters with a brain. MJR
Re: t-and-f: US on trial; Oly cheats face exposure
>Personally, I'd love to see the name of >the athletes who tested positive. I think it would be good for the sport >to >make as much as possible public. Personally, I'd love to see the nature of this person's exoneration more than the name. Was the B sample okay? Was there a lab error? Or did the USATF choose to embrace one of those Beer-and-sex or Spiked-toothpaste defenses? Kurt Bray _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Re: t-and-f: Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to 400-metre dash
>Barring injury, how does it hurt his "Market Value"? Male vs. female athletic contests are a no-win situation for the male. If El G wins everyone shrugs and says "So What? You beat up on girl. Big deal!" And if he loses everyone says: "You lost to WOMAN for crying out loud!" If he wins he loses. If loses he loses. Kurt Bray _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
t-and-f: Elite Track in Astrodome
> Well, even after seeing an artist's rendering, I'm still having a > hard time picturing it, but here's the idea for converting the Dome > into a t&f venue (scroll down to "Athletics"): > http://www.houston2012.com/thegames-venues/reliant_park.html The design looks pretty ingenious. I didn't think the place was wide enough to hold a track. Given the heat/humidity in summer and the lack of zoning, I can't see Houston being an ideal OG venue, but who knows? At least it would appear to be a viable candidate to host the Worlds. Isn't that good enough? And I guess it could host speedskating in the winter (although I imagine Houston doesn't have much of one). And soccer. Oh...Astroturf came about because they couldn't grow grass there. So is there a plan for that, too? Perhaps a removable field like in the new Sapporo Dome? Marko Velikonja __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
t-and-f: New spin on WMA meet sanction fee
Greetings, all World Masters Athletics has posted the particulars of how a city can bid to host the biennial world masters track championships at: http://www.world-masters-athletics.org/index.php?id=laws&l=bidder01 Also posted is a sample contract between the host Organizing Committee and WMA: http://www.world-masters-athletics.org/content/contract.pdf I've updated my News report on the subject at: http://www.masterstrack.com/news2002/news2002june20a.html The bottom line is that only the WINNING bid city is out $150,000 (plus other expenses) if it hosts the world masters meet -- not EVERY bid city, as previously suggested. My misunderstanding arose from how USATF Masters Committee Chairman George Mathews worded a report on this subject. In fact, a host city that attracts 6,000 athletes (a plausible figure) can generate revenues of $90,000 from a $15 surcharge added to the entry fee. Thus the host city would have to pay WMA $60,000 net (along with other costs of putting the 15-member WMA Council up in hotels and feeding them breakfast during the meet.) Certainly, $60,000-plus isn't cheap. But the WMA meet went big-time long ago, and perhaps this amount isn't as onerous as USATF Masters believes. Obviously, the Sacramento Sports Commission is laying out a pretty penny as host of the 2004 U.S. Olympic Trials. (See http://www.sacsports.com/ ) Does Sacramento fully understand the nuances of the WMA sanction fee? Or does it have the wrong idea that I previously did -- that ALL bidders for the WMA meet have to spend $150K up front for a chance to secure the event? Anyone have any wisdom on this matter? Ken Stone http://www.masterstrack.com
Re: t-and-f: US on trial; Oly cheats face exposure
> Definitely agree it's political maneuvering. However, > there is little PR value for the powers-that-be at the > IAAF and IOC to take down the Botswanas and Myanmars > of the world. That's where their power base lies - in > smaller, developing countries. Better to take down the > arrogant US of A to make a statement so they can build > up more support to continue their cushy, all-expenses > paid, blue blazer-wearing lifestyles. It's not just the Botswanas and the Myanmars of the world. I don't have enough specific knowledge to cite countries but there are countries that regular win WC and OG track & field medals who's testing programs are completely unacceptable. But certainly it is largely a PR thing. > With that said, USATF still needs to get its act in gear. Right now it's all empty talk and posturing. As far as I know, USATF has not had a problem since USADA took over the testing. Should they release the names of the one or more athletes from before that who's names have still not been given to the IAAF? Perhaps. But they would be opening themselves to years of litigation, because their rules at the time prohibited them from divulging the names of those who were later exonerated. If you're Craig Masback and you're faced with the choice between looking like you are covering up (very damaging to the image of the organization) or risking financial ruin, what are you going to do? It's certainly not an easy choice. Perhaps if the USOC and the IAAF were willing to agree to pay for any legal costs arising from the release of the names, it might make sense. And let's not forget, the rule about keeping the names secret - the one that triggered the USOC threat to suspend USATF (among other things)? In the 1990's, the USOC required USATF to put that rule in their drug testing procedures. It's essentially a USOC rule!! And now they're telling USATF not to follow the rule that they ordered USATF to pass. Craig must have more patience than I do. I don't know how I'd deal with the obnoxious,whining morons who are responsible for this situation without machine gunning the lot of them. Personally, I'd love to see the name of the athletes who tested positive. I think it would be good for the sport to make as much as possible public. But I don't see why USATF should be forced to face bankrupting legal threats just so the IAAF and the USOC can be seen as "doing something" about drugs. If they really want to do something about drugs, all it will take is a lot of money - I think bi-weekly testing of all athletes in the world top 25 would be a good start. - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to 400-metre dash
there is no way he would lose. >From: John Sun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: John Sun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: t-and-f: Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to 400-metre dash >Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:36:27 -0700 (PDT) > > >--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > There is no way that he would do anything such as > > this that may hurt his > > "Market Value". The talk is just a little spice for > > press. > >Barring injury, how does it hurt his "Market Value"? >Even if he lost to Marion Jones, imagine all the hype >and media exposure it would bring to the sport as well >as his sponsors. It might be all talk, but I'm sure it >would sell on Madison Avenue. > >__ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
t-and-f: Fwd: Scary story
Darn it, and I just had a friend move to Oslo. I was looking forward to seeing Bislett for the first time, free of hotel charges. > >OSLO, Norway (AP) - Marion Jones never has lost a 100-meter race at Bislett >Stadium, where 62 world records have been broken. >But Jones' next Bislett race, on Friday, could be her last. >The Golden League series will be reduced from seven to five meets next year >and the Bislett Games is in danger of losing its status as one of the >world's premier track events. >Built in the late 1920s, Bislett Stadium is one of the world's most famous >track venues. But the track has only six lanes and, with a capacity of only >16,000, it is one of the smallest stadiums on the circuit. >A new stadium with eight lanes is planned on the same site for 2005, but by >then it could be too late for the games. >Jones says she'll be sad if Bislett is scratched. >"I have competed in the 100 six times and I've won them all," she said at >the traditional strawberry party Thursday evening at City Hall. "Bislett is >one of my favorite stadiums. Bislett means a lot for Oslo and Norway. Just >thinking about not going to Oslo and Bislett makes me sad. Bislett belongs >to the Golden League." >The 26-year-old American set the stadium record of 10.82 seconds in 1998. >"I'd like to run faster tomorrow," said Jones, whose personal best in the >100 is 10.65, set four years ago. "It's possible if it is warm. But it seems >it's always chilly in Oslo." >Last year, the three-time Olympic gold medalist only managed a silver in the >100 at the World Championships in Edmonton. She learned from her >disappointing loss. >"I was upset then," she said. "But maybe the loss was good for me. It was >positive for my motivation and training for this season." >Jones' likely challengers in the Bislett Games are fellow Americans Chryste >Gaines and Kelli White, who finished behind Jones at the U.S. Championships >last weekend in Palo Alto. >The men's 100 features world champion and world-record holder Maurice Greene >and fellow American Tim Montgomery, who ran a 9.84 last year in chilly >conditions at the Bislett Games. >Last weekend, Greene won the U.S. title in a wind-aided 9.88, beating >Montgomery by one-hundredth of a second. >"This year, I am more prepared than I was last year," said Montgomery, >adding that he was "stronger and smarter." >"Smarter in the way that I am much more relaxed," he said. "I'm much more >calm, much more smart." >The Dream Mile, an annual Oslo tradition just like the strawberry party, is >the last event and world-record holder Hicham El Guerrouj of Morocco meets >his Olympic conqueror Noah Ngeny of Kenya. > -- Lee Nichols Assistant News Editor The Austin Chronicle 512/454-5766, ext. 138 fax 512/458-6910 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: This is what T&F needs to generate excitment and press coverage!
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Re: t-and-f: Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to 400-metre dash
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > There is no way that he would do anything such as > this that may hurt his > "Market Value". The talk is just a little spice for > press. Barring injury, how does it hurt his "Market Value"? Even if he lost to Marion Jones, imagine all the hype and media exposure it would bring to the sport as well as his sponsors. It might be all talk, but I'm sure it would sell on Madison Avenue. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: US on trial; Oly cheats face exposure
> The IAAF should immediately suspend every nation > that doesn't have > rigorous, independently audited, out-of competition > and in-competition > testing programs. If they do that, they might have > a little currency to > deal with the problems in the U.S. Otherwise, it is > impossible to take any > allegations seriously, because it is clearly just > political maneuvering. Definitely agree it's political maneuvering. However, there is little PR value for the powers-that-be at the IAAF and IOC to take down the Botswanas and Myanmars of the world. That's where their power base lies - in smaller, developing countries. Better to take down the arrogant US of A to make a statement so they can build up more support to continue their cushy, all-expenses paid, blue blazer-wearing lifestyles. Did anyone follow the recent FIFA saga where Blatter got re-elected primarliy due to the power base he built up in Africa and Asia over the years? There was tons of evidence regarding corruption and ineptitude in his regime, but it didn't matter because the federations from those areas knew who was paying their bills. The IAAF and the IOC are different animals but same story. Read the book "Lords of the Rings" by journalist Andrew Jennings for more outrageous stories regarding the "Olympic Movement". With that said, USATF still needs to get its act in gear. Right now it's all empty talk and posturing. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to 400-metre dash
Ah, but the quoted text did not say 49 is the best he could run, just that that's his PR. When did he last run a timed 400? Simply a reporting issue, or the wiley ElG trying to play with words for a cushy handicap? I would guess he can run 47.0, maybe better. Dan --- Ed and Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If El G. can only run 49 for the quarter then I'll > be an Olympian in 2004!! > > He's run what, 51 or 52 for the last lap of a 1500m before. > > > The Moroccan said his personal 400-metres best was > > about 49.0 seconds = http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy T&F @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] <|\/ <^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) / / (503)370-9969 phone/fax __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to 400-metre dash
Or, Owens v. a horse Lee Nichols wrote: > I certainly hope this won't devolve into another Donovan > Bailey-Michael Johnson affair. :-) > > Lee > > >Why not 300 meters? > > > > > >Athletics-Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to > >400-metre dash > > > >OSLO (Reuters) - Moroccan world record holder Hicham > >El Guerrouj has challenged U.S. sprinter Marion Jones > >to a 400-metre duel ahead of the first of seven Golden > >League meetings in Oslo on Friday. > > > >The two athletes tried to settle scores in front of > >reporters on Thursday over how much of a lead Guerrouj > >would need on a 100-metre sprint to beat Jones and how > >much distance Jones would be able to keep Guerrouj > >behind her. > > > >"Let me take this opportunity to ask Marion if she > >wants to race me over 400 metres," said El Guerrouj, > >three times a world 1,500 metres champion but yet to > >win an Olympic gold in three attempts. > > > >The Moroccan said his personal 400-metres best was > >about 49.0 seconds -- half a second better than > >Jones's personal best over the distance. > > > >Both runners are favourites in their proper > >disciplines at the Bislett Games, which will feature > >Guerrouj in a showdown against Kenyan Noha Ngeny for > >the Dream Mile and Jones aiming to improve her own > >Bislett track record of 10.82 seconds. > > > >"Tomorrow I will begin the quest of getting back to > >where I used to be," Jones said, who set her personal > >best of 10.65 back in 1998. > > > >The 2002 competition offers a share in 50 kilograms of > >gold to any athlete who wins their discipline at all > >seven meetings. > > > >Last year only five wins were required. > > > > > > > >__ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > -- > Lee Nichols > Assistant News Editor > The Austin Chronicle > 512/454-5766, ext. 138 > fax 512/458-6910 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: US on trial; Oly cheats face exposure
>The IAAF should immediately suspend every nation that doesn't have >rigorous, independently audited, out-of competition and in-competition >testing programs. >- Ed Parro I'm for it. The USATF goes down first. malmo
Re: t-and-f: Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to 400-metre dash
If El G. can only run 49 for the quarter then I'll be an Olympian in 2004!! He's run what, 51 or 52 for the last lap of a 1500m before. 300m would be interesting - my money would be on El G. at anything over 250m or so. - Ed Parrot > Why not 300 meters? > > > Athletics-Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to > 400-metre dash > > OSLO (Reuters) - Moroccan world record holder Hicham > El Guerrouj has challenged U.S. sprinter Marion Jones > to a 400-metre duel ahead of the first of seven Golden > League meetings in Oslo on Friday. > > The two athletes tried to settle scores in front of > reporters on Thursday over how much of a lead Guerrouj > would need on a 100-metre sprint to beat Jones and how > much distance Jones would be able to keep Guerrouj > behind her. > > "Let me take this opportunity to ask Marion if she > wants to race me over 400 metres," said El Guerrouj, > three times a world 1,500 metres champion but yet to > win an Olympic gold in three attempts. > > The Moroccan said his personal 400-metres best was > about 49.0 seconds -- half a second better than
Re: t-and-f: Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to 400-metre dash
There is no way that he would do anything such as this that may hurt his "Market Value". The talk is just a little spice for press. In a message dated 6/27/2002 12:16:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >I certainly hope this won't devolve into another Donovan >Bailey-Michael Johnson affair. :-) >
Re: t-and-f: Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to 400-metre dash
I certainly hope this won't devolve into another Donovan Bailey-Michael Johnson affair. :-) Lee >Why not 300 meters? > > >Athletics-Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to >400-metre dash > >OSLO (Reuters) - Moroccan world record holder Hicham >El Guerrouj has challenged U.S. sprinter Marion Jones >to a 400-metre duel ahead of the first of seven Golden >League meetings in Oslo on Friday. > >The two athletes tried to settle scores in front of >reporters on Thursday over how much of a lead Guerrouj >would need on a 100-metre sprint to beat Jones and how >much distance Jones would be able to keep Guerrouj >behind her. > >"Let me take this opportunity to ask Marion if she >wants to race me over 400 metres," said El Guerrouj, >three times a world 1,500 metres champion but yet to >win an Olympic gold in three attempts. > >The Moroccan said his personal 400-metres best was >about 49.0 seconds -- half a second better than >Jones's personal best over the distance. > >Both runners are favourites in their proper >disciplines at the Bislett Games, which will feature >Guerrouj in a showdown against Kenyan Noha Ngeny for >the Dream Mile and Jones aiming to improve her own >Bislett track record of 10.82 seconds. > >"Tomorrow I will begin the quest of getting back to >where I used to be," Jones said, who set her personal >best of 10.65 back in 1998. > >The 2002 competition offers a share in 50 kilograms of >gold to any athlete who wins their discipline at all >seven meetings. > >Last year only five wins were required. > > > >__ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- Lee Nichols Assistant News Editor The Austin Chronicle 512/454-5766, ext. 138 fax 512/458-6910 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: US on trial; Oly cheats face exposure
Thank you Ed Parrott In a message dated 6/27/2002 11:42:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > think what he's saying is that if the IAAF and IOC spent even a fraction >of the energy it spends on attacking the U.S. on enforcing its own rules >inthe other 100+ countries that have no program or woefully inadequate > >programs, the drug problem would be better served. Of course there is >some blame to go around in the U.S. Perhaps it is even a conspiracy. But we >get awfully sick of watching dozens of countries with far inferior programs >get off the hook. Many of those countries do so few tests that there is little >chance of a positive and therefore little chance of adverse publicity. > > > >The IAAF should immediately suspend every nation that doesn't have >rigorous, independently audited, out-of competition and in-competition >testing programs. If they do that, they might have a little currency >to deal with the problems in the U.S. Otherwise, it is impossible to take >any allegations seriously, because it is clearly just political maneuvering. >- Ed Parrot > > > > > >
t-and-f: Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to 400-metre dash
Why not 300 meters? Athletics-Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to 400-metre dash OSLO (Reuters) - Moroccan world record holder Hicham El Guerrouj has challenged U.S. sprinter Marion Jones to a 400-metre duel ahead of the first of seven Golden League meetings in Oslo on Friday. The two athletes tried to settle scores in front of reporters on Thursday over how much of a lead Guerrouj would need on a 100-metre sprint to beat Jones and how much distance Jones would be able to keep Guerrouj behind her. "Let me take this opportunity to ask Marion if she wants to race me over 400 metres," said El Guerrouj, three times a world 1,500 metres champion but yet to win an Olympic gold in three attempts. The Moroccan said his personal 400-metres best was about 49.0 seconds -- half a second better than Jones's personal best over the distance. Both runners are favourites in their proper disciplines at the Bislett Games, which will feature Guerrouj in a showdown against Kenyan Noha Ngeny for the Dream Mile and Jones aiming to improve her own Bislett track record of 10.82 seconds. "Tomorrow I will begin the quest of getting back to where I used to be," Jones said, who set her personal best of 10.65 back in 1998. The 2002 competition offers a share in 50 kilograms of gold to any athlete who wins their discipline at all seven meetings. Last year only five wins were required. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: US on trial; Oly cheats face exposure
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Aw well!! Do you really think that athletes from other countries who live > > here are testing regularly? Or let's take Russian athletes who now live in > > Israel. Go figure. I know a case whereby a foreign athlete who has actually > > represent his particular country in Oly Games and World Champs and does not > > even use his own identity. His birth certificate is nowhere to be found in > > his war torn country. > > > > Yes, we Americans are a big sophisticated country but are other countries > > "really" handing over their non existent doping results. I think not! > > > > What are you actually trying to say here? That it is > OK for USATF to cover up positive drug tests, because > other countries do it or don't test at all? > Then why bother to test at all? I think what he's saying is that if the IAAF and IOC spent even a fraction of the energy it spends on attacking the U.S. on enforcing its own rules in the other 100+ countries that have no program or woefully inadequate programs, the drug problem would be better served. Of course there is some blame to go around in the U.S. Perhaps it is even a conspiracy. But we get awfully sick of watching dozens of countries with far inferior programs get off the hook. Many of those countries do so few tests that there is little chance of a positive and therefore little chance of adverse publicity. The IAAF should immediately suspend every nation that doesn't have rigorous, independently audited, out-of competition and in-competition testing programs. If they do that, they might have a little currency to deal with the problems in the U.S. Otherwise, it is impossible to take any allegations seriously, because it is clearly just political maneuvering. - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: US on trial; Oly cheats face exposure
I thought Ben Johnson was the only one ever to have used performance enhancing drugs at the elite level, so now that he's gone, it's no longer a problem. Oh yes, there was that CJ guy and his four tests, but he retired just in time Which of these "several federations" which don't test had a slew of gold medal performances at the Olympics? World records? Multi-million dollar endorsement deals to the athletes in question? J. On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yep! several federations never test at all. It's not a fair game > > In a message dated 6/27/2002 11:01:03 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >Then why bother to test at all? > > >
Re: t-and-f: US on trial; Oly cheats face exposure
Yep! several federations never test at all. It's not a fair game In a message dated 6/27/2002 11:01:03 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Then why bother to test at all? >
Re: t-and-f: US on trial; Oly cheats face exposure
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Aw well!! Do you really think that athletes from > other countries who live > here are testing regularly? Or let's take Russian > athletes who now live in > Israel. Go figure. I know a case whereby a foreign > athlete who has actually > represent his particular country in Oly Games and > World Champs and does not > even use his own identity. His birth certificate is > nowhere to be found in > his war torn country. > > Yes, we Americans are a big sophisticated country > but are other countries > "really" handing over their non existent doping > results. I think not! > What are you actually trying to say here? That it is OK for USATF to cover up positive drug tests, because other countries do it or don't test at all? Then why bother to test at all? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: US on trial; Oly cheats face exposure
Aw well!! Do you really think that athletes from other countries who live here are testing regularly? Or let's take Russian athletes who now live in Israel. Go figure. I know a case whereby a foreign athlete who has actually represent his particular country in Oly Games and World Champs and does not even use his own identity. His birth certificate is nowhere to be found in his war torn country. Yes, we Americans are a big sophisticated country but are other countries "really" handing over their non existent doping results. I think not! In a message dated 6/27/2002 10:36:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >The list keeps growingnow the IAAF claims 5 >members of the US track & field team at the 2000 >Sydney Olympic Games competed, even though they tested >postive earlier in the year. What are the odds USATF >will even address these new allegations? I'm guessing >slim to none. Masback, if he even addresses it, will >probably do the same spin and deflect bblame routine >filled with lots of legal sound and fury, and >ultimately signifying nothing.
Re: t-and-f: Nationals
> - The open 100's are probably my least favorite event to watch live. > Neverthless, both centuries promised and delivered superstar wins with the > challengers at least reasonably close. It will be curious to see if > Montgomery can continue to close the gap, which is surely smaller than it > used to be. > > > - Ed Parrot > > > > I can understand if you feel that the hundreds lack some drama in meets such as a Grand Prix event, where they just line up one time, sprint >100m and then that's it, but at championship meets, there's nothing like the buildup through the rounds of a good 100. Stuttgart '93 was the first >time I was able to watch all the rounds and the excitement leading up to the final was unbelievable. I remember getting a hint of this watching >the '91 Worlds 100 on TV. > sideshow I love watching 100's on TV, although I could do without the 7 minute intros to the race itself. And I certainly agree on the excitement that can build through the rounds. When I'm actually at a meet, however, it's just a matter of personal preference that I prefer many of the other events over the 100. I certainly don't dislike watching the 100. One of my favorite events to watch is the 100 highs, so it can't be the short duration of the race. Who can explain taste (or lack thereof)? - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: US on trial; Oly cheats face exposure
The list keeps growingnow the IAAF claims 5 members of the US track & field team at the 2000 Sydney Olympic Games competed, even though they tested postive earlier in the year. What are the odds USATF will even address these new allegations? I'm guessing slim to none. Masback, if he even addresses it, will probably do the same spin and deflect bblame routine filled with lots of legal sound and fury, and ultimately signifying nothing. > The Times, however, has discovered that the IAAF > believes USOC13 may not be a single isolated case. > Further investigation reveals that there may be > five cases in total. > > "We have reason to believe that there are further > cases," Arne Ljungqvist, the IAAF vice-president, > said. "We have approached the USATF, the USOC and > the two accredited laboratories in the United > States. Our ambition is to ensure that once this > case comes to CAS, well have information on all > possible cases." > > Sources suggest, however, that the USATF is not too > keen on any broadening of the CAS hearing, which > has not yet reached the court because the IAAF and > the USATF have failed to agree on the terms of > reference. The IAAF wants it to focus on all five > cases; the USATF is not so enthusiastic. The > continued lack of compliance from the USATF is a > source of extreme frustration to those who are > fighting for clean sport. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: Nationals
- The open 100's are probably my least favorite event to watch live. Neverthless, both centuries promised and delivered superstar wins with the challengers at least reasonably close. It will be curious to see if Montgomery can continue to close the gap, which is surely smaller than it used to be. - Ed Parrot > I can understand if you feel that the hundreds lack some drama in meets such as a Grand Prix event, where they just line up one time, sprint 100m and then that's it, but at championship meets, there's nothing like the buildup through the rounds of a good 100. Stuttgart '93 was the first time I was able to watch all the rounds and the excitement leading up to the final was unbelievable. I remember getting a hint of this watching the '91 Worlds 100 on TV. sideshow
Re: t-and-f: Track in the Astrodome
Mike asked: >Seems to me to hold a track meet in the Astrodome (as is being proposed for >the 2012 Olympic Games) would cause a lot of complications as to whether a >record, or any time for that matter, is recognized as an indoor record/time >or an outdoor one. >Can you count a >5k run in 12:38, in a completely still, controlled environment as an outdoor >WR? Seems wrong to me. What about if you have your O2 generators running on the facility HVAC system? Wouldn't take too much engineering to add a percentage point or two to the O2 partial pressure ;-) Phil
Re: t-and-f: Title IX analysis
> for what--to my eye at least--seems like a dispassionate and informative look at Title IX, might check this out from sports pages of SF Chronicle last weekend. > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/06/23 /SP5250.DTL > Interesting article. To someone who has switched from an ardent supporter of Title IX to an opponent over the past decade, I agree that it is a very fair and impartial article. I suspect that many ardent Title IX supporters would not consider it fair and impartial, however. I don't hold out much hope for the Bush administration accomplishing much here, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong. The article talks about the three prongs of compliance and, acucrately I believe, indicates that the proprtionality test is pretty much the only one that is used. Few athletic directors/presidents would rely on the subjective prongs of "improving gender equity" and "supporting the needs of the student body" to protect them from litigation. They'd be idiots to do so when all it would take is one disgruntled athlete (theoretically of either sex) with even a shred of a case to cost them the expense and embrassment of a trial. The proportionality test is objective and safe and to suggest that AD's are somehow wrong to focus on it is to ignore the legal environment. And as long as the quota system is in place, fairness cannot occur except by accident. One other item in the article got my curiosity - it stated that the justice department dismissed the Marquette lawsuit. I thought the lawsuit was against the justice department (among others) - wouldn't it have been a court that dismissed it? - Ed Parrot
t-and-f: US on trial; Oly cheats face exposure
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,4-339164,00.html June 27, 2002 US sport on trial as Olympic cheats face exposure by Owen Slot, Chief Sports Reporter THE allegations that John McEnroe used steroids when he was a professional tennis player may seem shocking, they may raise questions over his achievements and they may, of course, be completely untrue. However, their timing is unfortunate. Never before have attitudes in the United States to the use of drugs in sport been so heavily questioned. The suggestion that there is a culture of compliance and cover-up is now openly voiced and latest revelations suggest that medals may have been won in the past three summer Olympics by Americans who had tested positive for drugs but, nevertheless, been allowed to compete. Baseball has also been rocked by accounts that steroid abuse is widespread. Last month Sports Illustrated published an investigation in which Ken Caminiti, the former National League Most Valuable Player, admitted to taking steroids throughout his career and said that up to 50 per cent of the leagues players did the same. Jose Canseco, a one-time Major League player, claimed that 85 per cent of big-league stars use steroids. Such stories are becoming common and while it is an offence to take performance-enhancing drugs, it has been alleged that the drug-testers in the United States have been contentedly overlooking it. This is what Wade Exum, the former head of the United States Olympic Committees (USOC) drug-testing programme, has been saying for two years since he left the organisation. Exum has been portrayed by the USOC as a disgruntled employee whose job was in jeopardy, but this weekend he is to make public the fine details behind his comments. In an interview with The Times, Exum explained how only 50 per cent of those who tested positive for drugs received the requisite ban and that this was down, in his last couple of years, to one in seven. "I felt resistance (from his employers) all along," he said. "Their anti-doping programme is largely PR." Exum made his initial accusation through his lawyer in June 2000, asserting that the USOC was "deliberately encouraging the doping of athletes without considering the consequences to their health". Lawsuits were subsequently filed, but Exum claims that he found these hard to fight because the USOC lawyers pilfered all his evidence. The USOC had naturally wanted to see the evidence and, in the autumn of 2000, were granted permission to make copies of the relevant documents. "My lawyers had told them that they could come in and make copies," Exum said. "But what happened is they came in, took the boxes and kept them." Exum alleges that the USOC made further efforts to quieten him. "The USOC lawyer never did negotiate with me," he said. "But he met with my lawyers and asked what would it take for me to just go away." The USOC, meanwhile, kept Exums evidence some 20 boxes of it claiming that the information was confidential and it was only after a separate court case last month that this position changed. The case was not fought by Exum, but a number of American news organisations CNN, CBS, USA Today, The Chicago Tribune and many others on the grounds that the USOC was illegally guarding public information. The victory of the news organisations handed the initiative back to Exum; it would now be his decision whether and when to tell all. To suggest that the whole of the American media has been salivating at the prospect of the biggest drugs-in-sport story of all time would, however, be misleading. "The question is whether Exum is willing to put his money where his mouth is," Thomas Kelly, the lawyer representing CNN et al, said. "He was making some fairly strong claims. Now we have some opportunities to see if they stand up." We will see this weekend because on Saturday Exum is promising to make public these 20 boxes of damning information. Are there gold medal-winners to be exposed? "Yes," he said. "I went to the 1992 Olympics with a list of people in my pocket who had prior positive tests. There were ten or 12 names there." And did they win medals? "I believe so." And were there medal-winners from the 1996 Olympics who tested positive? "Yup. I recall particularly some cases of some track and field athletes. "I think a lot of people know about what went on. Very few of them spoke up. The USOC operated on a model where whenever an athlete had a positive test, rather than enforce it, theyd take on the role of advocating for the athlete not being sanctioned and letting the IOC or the IAAF or whatever international federation be the bad guy." Exums revelations are not the only ones that will shortly come to light. While he gives accounts of malpractice in the 1992 and 1996 United States Olympic teams, there is a growing body of evidence that suggests there may have been an athlete in the American track and field team at the
t-and-f: Title IX analysis
for what--to my eye at least--seems like a dispassionate and informative look at Title IX, might check this out from sports pages of SF Chronicle last weekend. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/06/23/SP5250.DTL
t-and-f: Track in the Astrodome
Seems to me to hold a track meet in the Astrodome (as is being proposed for the 2012 Olympic Games) would cause a lot of complications as to whether a record, or any time for that matter, is recognized as an indoor record/time or an outdoor one. Even with the top open, I would imagine that there would be next to no wind down on the track as well as a coolish tempertature... creating ideal conditions especially for distance runners. Can you count a 5k run in 12:38, in a completely still, controlled environment as an outdoor WR? Seems wrong to me. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
