t-and-f: Boulami tests positive
Moroccan Federation announcement: World steeplechase record holder tests positive http://sportserver.com/track_field/story/515426p-4092862c.html
Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive
But of course Wetmore was wrong in saying that drugs are the number one problem in our sport (tongue in cheek). nearly 50% of the top 12 men's 5k performers all time, the mutiple World Cross Champ, the steeple chase world record holder... oh yeah... there's no problem. Hell, Goucher probably would have been Olympic Champ in a clean sport. >From: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Track List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive >Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:55:36 -0400 > >Moroccan Federation announcement: World steeplechase record holder tests >positive > > >http://sportserver.com/track_field/story/515426p-4092862c.html _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive
So un-unexpected... The guy runs 8:10 and then, blip: 8:02.9 and soon after, 7:55.28 (last year's Van Damme. What did we expect? UG = Quoting John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Moroccan Federation announcement: World steeplechase record holder > tests > positive > > > http://sportserver.com/track_field/story/515426p-4092862c.html >
Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive
Walt Murphy's News and Results Service I realize we have to look at denials with a cautious eye, but here is what Reuters reported: Boulami told Morocco's official news agency MAP that he was shocked at the test result and vowed to prove his innocence. "How can I be accused of taking a banned substance when I regularly undergo medical tests, the number of which have multiplied since I first beat the world record last year?," he said. "I train in high altitude in Ifrane (Morocco) four to five months a year, that's the only doping I could be accused of. "I'll wait for the result of the other (B sample) test and I am willing to undergo all kinds of tests." (Brussels) meeting organiser Wilfried Meert told journalists at a news conference with U.S sprinter Marion Jones on Thursday that he refused to condemn Boulami until all the circumstances were clear and the Moroccan's 'B' sample had been tested. "It's never much fun for a sport -- any sport -- to hear of a positive test, but it's even sadder when it's a top level athlete, a world record holder," he said. Speaking last Sunday at a news conference in his home city of Safi, on the Atlantic coast, Boulami said that "drugs never made champions." "As far as I know, the fact that a Moroccan athlete breaks a record never raised an eyebrow. This is due to the world's respect for our country and our sportsmen." The press briefing was organised on the sidelines of a ceremony during which Boulami received a congratulation letter from King Mohammed on his latest world record. He attributed his rise to athletics stardom after years of lacklustre performances to a new-found confidence. "I was afraid of the Kenyans. But this year I was confident of being able to break the world record 400 metres before the finish line," he said.
Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive
The denial for EPO can be seen at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/2223142.stm - Original Message - From: "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Track List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 6:55 AM Subject: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive > Moroccan Federation announcement: World steeplechase record holder tests > positive > > > http://sportserver.com/track_field/story/515426p-4092862c.html >
t-and-f: Steeplechase world-record holder Boulami fails doping test
BRUSSELS, Belgium (August 29, 2002 9:15 a.m. EDT) - Steeplechase world-record holder Brahim Boulami has failed a doping test, the organizer of the Van Damme Memorial meet said Thursday. Wilfried Meert said Boulami was tested on the eve of the Weltklasse meet in Zurich two weeks ago, when he shaved more than two seconds from his world steeplechase record, clocking 7 minutes, 53.17 seconds. http://www.sportserver.com/front/story/515928p-4097698c.html
Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive
so much for the conspiracy-theorists and how the IAAF would never nail anybody big. Who's the only guy to set a track WR in this century? Who's the only guy (all events) to set two WRs this century? You got it. gh
t-and-f: World record dopers?
Is Boulami the first world record holder to be busted since Randy Barnes - Butch Reynolds in 1990? (And Barnes again later?) Philip Hersh Olympic Sports Writer Chicago Tribune
Re: t-and-f: World record dopers?
The Cuban HJer? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Is Boulami the first world record holder to be busted since Randy Barnes - > Butch Reynolds in 1990? (And Barnes again later?) > > Philip Hersh > Olympic Sports Writer > Chicago Tribune
Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive
No, the Zurich stadium record prediction contest will not be recalibrated :-), per the published official rules: "...the fine print- Contest results will be final as soon as all results are officially posted. No recalculations will result from subsequent announcement of doping failures, even though official Zurich results could be adjusted several weeks from now." However, in the interest of full disclosure and acknowledgement of having the most powerful crystal balls in town, Kurt Bray and Mike Trujillo were the two who predicted "no new Zurich stadium records this year". RT On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:18:43 -0700 ghill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > so much for the conspiracy-theorists and how > the IAAF would never nail > anybody big. Who's the only guy to set a track > WR in this century? Who's the > only guy (all events) to set two WRs this > century? You got it. > > gh >
RE: t-and-f: First Pair of Spikes (was: Interesting Tidbit from the IOC)
Ah, Memories. My first pair of spike were Adidas Tokyo's! The shoes really were better back then. And asphalt was STILL softer than concrete! Malmo PS The beer was colder and the women were hotter too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 1:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: First Pair of Spikes (was: Interesting Tidbit from the IOC) I chose a pair of Adidas Tokyo's. A real pair of blue suede shoes, and very fast. I eventually set my HS's school records at 880y and 4x440y relay in those pair, and I still have them in a box out in the garage. My brother went for a pair of leather Spalding spikes. That's right, Spalding make track spikes in those days. They were white with red stripes. I have no idea whatever happened to them. They were definitely heavier than my Tokyo's. My brother was a miler/2-miler, while I was more a 440/880 type.
RE: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive IT'S THE DRUGS STUPID!
Mike, their heads are in a place where the Sun don't shine (be clean minded now) - the sand! Toothpaste, birth control pills, all-night sex and beer parties - maybe it's just as simple as what the insiders have been saying all along: IT'S THE DRUGS, STUPID! malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Michael Contopoulos Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 7:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive But of course Wetmore was wrong in saying that drugs are the number one problem in our sport (tongue in cheek). nearly 50% of the top 12 men's 5k performers all time, the mutiple World Cross Champ, the steeple chase world record holder... oh yeah... there's no problem. Hell, Goucher probably would have been Olympic Champ in a clean sport. >From: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Track List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive >Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:55:36 -0400 > >Moroccan Federation announcement: World steeplechase record holder >tests positive > > >http://sportserver.com/track_field/story/515426p-4092862c.html _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive
I know I am opening a can of worms and subject to a list clobbering, but before a public announcement is made, the guy should be able to first explain his side of the story after/if the B sample comes back positive. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Walt Murphy's News and Results Service > > I realize we have to look at denials with a cautious eye, but here is what > Reuters reported: > > Boulami told Morocco's official news agency MAP that he was shocked at > the test result and vowed to prove his innocence. > > "How can I be accused of taking a banned substance when I regularly undergo > medical tests, the number of which have multiplied since I first beat the > world record last year?," he said. > > "I train in high altitude in Ifrane (Morocco) four to five months a year, > that's the only doping I could be accused of. > > "I'll wait for the result of the other (B sample) test and I am willing to > undergo all kinds of tests." > > (Brussels) meeting organiser Wilfried Meert told journalists at a news > conference with U.S sprinter Marion Jones on Thursday that he refused to > condemn Boulami until all the circumstances were clear and the Moroccan's 'B' > sample had been tested. > > "It's never much fun for a sport -- any sport -- to hear of a positive test, > but it's even sadder when it's a top level athlete, a world record holder," > he said. > > Speaking last Sunday at a news conference in his home city of Safi, on the > Atlantic coast, Boulami said that "drugs never made champions." > > "As far as I know, the fact that a Moroccan athlete breaks a record never > raised an eyebrow. This is due to the world's respect for our country and our > sportsmen." > > The press briefing was organised on the sidelines of a ceremony during which > Boulami received a congratulation letter from King Mohammed on his latest > world record. > > He attributed his rise to athletics stardom after years of lacklustre > performances to a new-found confidence. > > "I was afraid of the Kenyans. But this year I was confident of being able to > break the world record 400 metres before the finish line," he said.
Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive
It's becoming obvious now that EPO is the doping drug of the past. It had it's run, but now anyone even thinking of using it will be caught. Of course there are still a multitude of other means of cheating that the "smart cheaters" are using. As far as I know there still is no test for HgH. My guess is cheaters will go back to using designer steroids and as long as they keep their testosterone to epitestosterone ratio to the legal limit of 6:1 (even though a 5:1 ratio is exceptionally rare in males and females 3:1 would be exceptionally rare) then they will pass with flying colors. Ah yes, the working-man's drug. Alan _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive
> From: Mike Prizy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Organization: @attbi.com > Reply-To: Mike Prizy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:20:59 -0500 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive > > I know I am opening a can of worms and subject to a list clobbering, but > before a public > announcement is made, the guy should be able to first explain his side of the > story after/if the B > sample comes back positive.>> It's a little-known subsection in the list charter that that rule only applies when it's somebody from your own country. When it's one of them dirty furriners you get to trash them from the git-go. :-) gh
t-and-f: % of b sampes that differ from a???
Does anyone have any figures regarding the percentage of b samples that differ from the a? I remember hearing once that something like 99% of b samples return the same result as the a. Is this true? Any documentation on this? _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Re: t-and-f: % of b sampes that differ from a???
> From: "Michael Contopoulos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "Michael Contopoulos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:23:50 -0400
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: t-and-f: % of b sampes that differ from a???
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> Does anyone have any figures regarding the percentage of b samples that
> differ from the a? I remember hearing once that something like 99% of b
> samples return the same result as the a. Is this true? Any documentation
> on this?>
Probably an impossible question to answer, becuase there are certainly many
("many"?) cases where we don't even know that somebody had an A positive to
begin with. After the B was negative, the case never saw the light of day.
Which, to my way of thinking, is the way it should be. Innocent until proven
guilty.
gh
Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive
> > I know I am opening a can of worms and subject to > a list clobbering, but > > before a public > > announcement is made, the guy should be able to > first explain his side of the > > story after/if the B > > sample comes back positive.>> > > It's a little-known subsection in the list charter > that that rule only > applies when it's somebody from your own country. > When it's one of them > dirty furriners you get to trash them from the > git-go. :-) > > gh > Exactly. If Boulami was American then this would all be a moot point for now. Only USADA and USATF would know he tested positive on his A sample. The positive result would be made public only afer the B sample came up positive and he went through the lengthy arbitration process. Unfortunately for Boulami he lives in a country where he is not afforded those rights. John __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com
t-and-f: US Marathon Champs update
Thanks to all those who helped! Here is what I expect will be a final draft - at least as far as what I post. This is pretty good - only a bit thin in 1994 and 1995, but the US fields were a little thin then too. I tried to indicate where furriners were from if they were included. I fixed some small errors (like putting 'Fred Keiser' instead of 'Kurt' - sorry Fred, brain cramp...) FWIW, 10th place (minus 1994) averaged 2:20:45, ranging from 2:16:20 in 1996 to 2:25:30 in 1995. Cheers! Buck 1992 Olympic Trials, Columbus, OH 1. Steve Spence2:12:43 2. Ed Eyestone 2:12:51 3. Robert Kempainen2:12:54 4. Keith Brantly 2:14:16 5. Bill Reifsnyder 2:15:45 6. Stephen Taylor 2:16:14 7. Chris Fox 2:16:40 8. Jim Hage2:16:47 9. Dan Gonzalez2:17:53 10. Mark Conover2:17:53 11. Joe Leuchtmann 2:19:01 12. Don Johns 2:19:05 13. Dan Held2:19:23 14. Chad Bennion2:19:25 15. Chris Prior 2:19:26 16. Paul McGovern 2:19:35 17. Tom Stevens 2:19:41 18. Scott Bagley2:21:05 19. Matt Ebiner 2:21:13 20. Dave Dunham 2:21:18 21. Chris Chattin 2:21:34 22. Chuck Crabb 2:21:42 23. Jerrold Wynia 2:22:47 24. Ken Judson 2:23:32 25. Michael Smith 2:24:11 1993 Twin Cities Marathon, Minneapolis, MN 1. Ed Eyestone 2:14:34 2. John Tuttle 2:15:10 3. Joseph Leuchtmann 2:15:22 4. Mark Curp 2:15:33 5. Paul Pilkington 2:15:56 6. Darrell General 2:16:08 7. Scott Bagley2:16:25 8. Chris Prior 2:16:52 9. Artemio Navarro (MEX) 2:17:50 10. Christian Bloor 2:18:35 11. Daniel Martinez 2:19:33 12. Mark McMonigal 2:19:57 13. Paul Cummings 2:20:14 14. John Mirth 2:20:53 15. Ed Sheehan 2:21:07 16. Mica Comstock 2:21:31 17. John Wodny 2:22:49 18. Doug Kurtis 2:23:03 19. Leonard Hill2:23:24 20. Luis Lopez 2:23:46 1994 Los Angeles Marathon, Los Angeles, CA 1. Paul Pilkington 2:12:13 2. Luca Barzaghi' (Ita)2:12:52 3. Andrzej Krzyscin' (Pol) 2:13:21 4. Marnix Goegebur' (Bel) 2:13:23 5. Gumercindo Olmedo' (Mex)2:13:33 6. Marcelino Crisento' (Mex) 2:13:38 7. Katsuya Natsumi' (Jpn) 2:14:19 8. Ernesto Eberstadt' (Mex)2:14:33 9. Juan Torres Ruiz' (Spa) 2:14:40 10. Diamantino Dos Santos' (Bra)2:14:41 11. Danny Gonzalez (Reeb) 2:14:42 12. Jose Santana' (Bra) 2:14:42 13. Ahmed Salah' (Dji) 2:15:04 14. Faustino Reynoso' (Mex) 2:15:39 15. Joseph Skosana' (SA)2:18:37 16. Joao Pacau BRA 2:18:43 17. Darrell General USA 2:18:47 18. Andrzej Witczak POL 2:19:44 19. Antonio Morales GUA 2:20:02 20. Gyorgy Marko ROM2:20:24 21. Hector Lopez MEX2:20:59 22. Jose Iniguez MEX2:23:12 23. Tesfaye Dadi ETH2:23:41 24. Csaba Szucs HUN 2:24:16 ... 4US.Joshua Breslow 2:25:24 5US.Kevin Broady2:27:48 1995 Charlotte, NC 1. Kieth Brantly 2:14:27 2. Ed Eyestone 2:14:36 3. Dan Held2:15:06 4. Don Janicki 2:15:38 5. Chris Fox 2:15:53 6. Terrence Mahon 2:18:01 7. Kieth Dowling 2:18:17 8. Darrell General 2:19:08 9. Mick O'Brien2:22:20 10. Ed Holzem 2:25:30 11. Eric Ashton 2:27:54 12. Andy Herr 2:28:51 1996 Olympic Trials, Charlotte, NC 1. Bob Kempainen 2:12:45 2. Mark Coogan 2:13:05 3. Keith Brantly 2:13:22 4. Steve Plasencia 2:14:20 5. Marco Ochoa 2:14:22 6. Keith Dowling 2:14:30 7. Dan Held2:14:53 8. Jon Warren 2:15:59 9. Jeff Jacobs 2:16:13 10. David Morris2:16:20 11. Terrence Mahon 2:16:28 12. Darrell General 2:16:30 13. Ashley Johnson 2:16:39 14. Craig Woshner 2:16:41 15. Ed Eyestone 2:16:51 16. Budd Coates 2:17:26 17. Jose Iniguez2:17:42 18. Kevin Collins 2:17:51 19. Dennis Simonaitis 2:17:57 20. John Dimoff 2:18:06 21. Howard Nippert 2:19:08 22. Joe Lemay 2:19:10 23. Tom Redding 2:19:54 24. Steve Wilson2:19:58 25. Will Kimball2:20:21 1997 Pittsburgh Marathon, Pittsburgh, PA 1. David Scudamore 2:13:48 2. Ed E
t-and-f: Take me off the list
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t-and-f: A few items from the VanDamme press conference
Five athletes were tested for EPO at the hotel today. Names not released (obviously), but the "draw" was done by the IAAF. El G has asked for a pace faster than the 2:45.78 he ran for 1200 in Monaco. Kisulu and Lelei will do the chores. Krummenacker was asked to do the pacing earlier in the week, but he begged off, saying that he wants a chance at Johnny Gray's AR in the 800m (1:42.60). Bob Tahri was going to be the pacesetter in the steeple until "L'Affaire Boulami". Now, he has asked to be a normal runner in order to take a crack at Simon Vroemen's still-fresh European Record from Monaco. In a conversation earlier in this week with Sureyya Ayhan and her coach, meeting director Wilfried Meert was told "not to waste your money on a pacemaker; I'll do it myself." Naturally, that will not happen. However, the Turkish runner has asked for 60.5 and 2:03.5. Komyagina will be one of the pacers. Ayhan has warned that if the pace is much off 60.5 after the 400, she'll take over herself. She's looking for something "around 3:56". Suzy Hamilton and Regina Jacobs are both in the race, with Suzy having said she's looking for a shot at Mary Slaney's AR (3:57.12). Weather predicted to be about 24C during the day, dropping to ca. 20C into the evening. Might be a little warm for a good 10K, which is slated to start at 18:45.
t-and-f: flying in the face of convention wisdom
stretching? http://my.aol.com/news/news_story.psp?type=1&cat=0200&id=02082919041743479
RE: t-and-f: flying in the face of convention wisdom
Don't blame me on this old wives tale. Ever see a lion stretch before it kills something? The ten percent rule is next. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of ghill Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 8:03 PM To: track list Subject: t-and-f: flying in the face of convention wisdom stretching? http://my.aol.com/news/news_story.psp?type=1&cat=0200&id=020829190417434 79
Re: t-and-f: flying in the face of convention wisdom
Actually, cats (of all sizes including lions) definitely stretch before the kill - just watch animal planet. Leopards in particular have a crocuhing style of approaching prey where they are stretching as they wait to pounce. But unlike many runners, most cats don't belabor the point. Less than 30 seconds worth, often more like 5-10 seconds. Just enough to kind of "check" that everything's ready to go. Feline nervous systems are far different than ours, however, and most of the benefits of stretching are undoubtedly due to nervous system response. So cats are not a good comparison. But the point is well taken - stretching minimally before the run is good, but any more than that is a waste (or even damaging in some cases). That said, the article seems to refer only to pre-exercise stretching - there were absolutely no specifics cited and in that sense the article is almost useless from a practical standpoint. Stretching AFTER the run has been proven in study after study (sorry, no sources handy) to aid in msucle recovery. - Ed Parrot - Original Message - From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'ghill'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'track list'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 5:11 PM Subject: RE: t-and-f: flying in the face of convention wisdom > Don't blame me on this old wives tale. Ever see a lion stretch before it > kills something? > > The ten percent rule is next. > > malmo > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of ghill > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 8:03 PM > To: track list > Subject: t-and-f: flying in the face of convention wisdom > > > stretching? > > http://my.aol.com/news/news_story.psp?type=1&cat=0200&id=020829190417434 > 79 > > >
t-and-f: Was flying in the face of convention wisdom: Links to stretching papers
http://bmj.com/cgi/reprint/325/7362/451.pdfEditorial http://bmj.com/cgi/reprint/325/7362/468.pdfPrimary Paper - Ed, et al, Here are the links to the papers about stretching. Tom, (never big on stretching or cats) From: "Ed and Dana Parrot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ""Athletics"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 2:42 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: flying in the face of convention wisdom > Actually, cats (of all sizes including lions) definitely stretch before the > kill - just watch animal planet.
t-and-f: Re: Boulami tests positive & Zurich prediction contest
>However, in the interest of full disclosure and >acknowledgement of having the most powerful >crystal balls in town, Kurt Bray and Mike Trujillo were the two who predicted >"no new >Zurich stadium records this year". > >RT > I can't speak for Kurt, but mine aren't crystal :-) -- *** Mike Trujillo, ex-Angeleno [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (563) 391-5448 ***
Re: t-and-f: flying in the face of convention wisdom
My own body tells me otherwise. Maybe it depends on the amount of exercise soreness one has. When I'm running upwards of 120+ miles a week I find that if I don't stretch at least after my run or for a good 30 minutes before bed my legs don't recover as quickly. I also tend to wake up with a good calf cramp or two if I don't stretch the night before. If you have an injury that is caused by a tight muscle (achilles bursitis, achilles tendonitis) then it would certainly prevent that injury if you were to stretch the problem area. Test results like these is what leads people down the wrong road. Alan >From: ghill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: ghill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: track list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: t-and-f: flying in the face of convention wisdom >Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:03:05 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.237.16]) by hotmail.com with Microsoft >SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:24:57 -0700 >Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.13]) by hotmail.com with >Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:16:37 -0700 >Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1])by >darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7U034xT005027for ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:03:04 -0700 >(PDT) >Received: (from majordom@localhost)by darkwing.uoregon.edu >(8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7U034Iq005025for t-and-f-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug >2002 17:03:04 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from carbine.dsl.net (carbine.dsl.net [65.84.81.3])by >darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7U033xT005019for ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:03:03 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from [192.168.1.10] (65-84-164-108.client.dsl.net >[65.84.164.108])by carbine.dsl.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6503510DE1Afor ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:03:02 -0400 (EDT) >User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Precedence: bulk >Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2002 00:16:37.0826 (UTC) >FILETIME=[81B26A20:01C24FBA] > >stretching? > >http://my.aol.com/news/news_story.psp?type=1&cat=0200&id=02082919041743479 _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
t-and-f: The ultimate penalty
Netters: What is the proper penalty for an athlete detected to have used a forbidden substance? I would think it should include a total wipeout of his previous records and championships. Just erase him (her) from the books and, if he (she) gets a "second chance" to compete, start from scratch. Of course, they can still laugh all the way to the bank, so I don't know how much (if any) a deterrent it would be. But it should be put into effect pronto and retroactively if possible. Ed Grant
RE: t-and-f: flying in the face of convention wisdom
Alan, take a warm bath after your runs. That should take care if everything. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of alan tobin Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: flying in the face of convention wisdom My own body tells me otherwise. Maybe it depends on the amount of exercise soreness one has. When I'm running upwards of 120+ miles a week I find that if I don't stretch at least after my run or for a good 30 minutes before bed my legs don't recover as quickly. I also tend to wake up with a good calf cramp or two if I don't stretch the night before. If you have an injury that is caused by a tight muscle (achilles bursitis, achilles tendonitis) then it would certainly prevent that injury if you were to stretch the problem area. Test results like these is what leads people down the wrong road. Alan >From: ghill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: ghill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: track list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: t-and-f: flying in the face of convention wisdom >Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:03:05 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.237.16]) by hotmail.com with >Microsoft >SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:24:57 -0700 >Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.13]) by hotmail.com with >Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:16:37 -0700 >Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1])by >darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7U034xT005027for ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:03:04 -0700 >(PDT) >Received: (from majordom@localhost)by darkwing.uoregon.edu >(8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7U034Iq005025for t-and-f-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug >2002 17:03:04 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from carbine.dsl.net (carbine.dsl.net [65.84.81.3])by >darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7U033xT005019for ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:03:03 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from [192.168.1.10] (65-84-164-108.client.dsl.net >[65.84.164.108])by carbine.dsl.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6503510DE1Afor ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:03:02 -0400 (EDT) >User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Precedence: bulk >Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2002 00:16:37.0826 (UTC) >FILETIME=[81B26A20:01C24FBA] > >stretching? > >http://my.aol.com/news/news_story.psp?type=1&cat=0200&id=02082919041743 >479 _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
t-and-f: Re: Was flying in the face of convention wisdom: Links to stretchingpapers
> http://bmj.com/cgi/reprint/325/7362/451.pdfEditorial > http://bmj.com/cgi/reprint/325/7362/468.pdfPrimary Paper > > - > Ed, et al, > Here are the links to the papers about stretching. > Tom, (never big on stretching or cats) While, I commend the caution with which the editorial was written (as opposed to the newspaper article), the key sentence is the one that states that the studies that had "warm-ups" combined with stretching showed benefits. The author appears to reject these studies as not being clinically sound because of the warmup. While they may not be clinically sounds, they are certainly more practically applicable. I still agree that pre-race stretching should be kept to a minimum, but that a little of it is probably helpful. Post-race stretching certainly can be beneficial, particularly if one has just run in 95 degree heat and does not want to take advantage of the also effective warm bath treatment. - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: The ultimate penalty
If they ever clean up baseball, they should just go back a few years and reinstate all the home run records. Ed Grant wrote: > Netters: > > What is the proper penalty for an athlete detected to have used a > forbidden substance? > > I would think it should include a total wipeout of his previous > records and championships. Just erase him (her) from the books and, if he > (she) gets a "second chance" to compete, start from scratch. > > Of course, they can still laugh all the way to the bank, so I don't know > how much (if any) a deterrent it would be. But it should be put into effect > pronto and retroactively if possible. > > Ed Grant
