t-and-f: why the Cal job is still open
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/09/27 /SP227165.DTL John Crumpacker story about Chris Huffins not having a degree. Big deal--i ran TFN for almost 20 years sans sheepskin. Overrated credential. gh
Re: t-and-f: why the Cal job is still open
ghill schreef: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/09/27/SP227165.DTL John Crumpacker story about Chris Huffins not having a degree. Big deal--i ran TFN for almost 20 years sans sheepskin. Overrated credential. gh LS I think it was an interesting and well-written story by Mr. Crumpacker. I was somewhat surprised though, about the comment about Ms. Johnson (who, according to http://calbears.ocsn.com/sports/c-otrack/mtt/johnson_robyne00.html, is quite a succesfull coach). It seems to suggest that because she earned her masters degree, it is proven that finishing school can be combined with remaining a competative athlete. And while I do happen to believe the latter, it has to be observed there are some differences between Ms. Johnsons record (9th World indoors '91, four olympic trials participations) and Mr. Huffins' record (bronze medallist of the 2000 olympics and the '99 Worlds, US champ. '98). So maybe, just maybe those differences are (apart of course from natural given talent) also a reflection of the fact that Mr. Huffins' focused on his athletics for the full 100%? (not too mention it is my experience most decathletes make far more hours in training than athletes in most other events) Regards, Wilmar Kortleever
t-and-f: SF Chronicle: Cal-Berkeley coaching article
A HREF=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2002/09/2 7/SP227165.DTLCal may be changing signals in search for track…/A
Re: t-and-f: thin sprinters
Jim, While it takes a little longer for the taller sprinters to unwind, there have been a number of 6 footers who have made the top rankings and/or held world records over the last 40 years. Gerald
t-and-f: why the Cal job is still open
Message text written by ghill sheepskin. Overrated credential. Well, yeah, except that the institution that is going to pay someone to fill that position happens to be in the business of selling those very pieces of sheepskin. If everyone believed that the credential was overrated, the university wouldn't need a track coach because they wouldnt't have a track team because they wouldn't have a university. Bob H, BA, JD
Re: t-and-f: why the Cal job is still open
unfortunately, i left the smiley off my original post. I'm hugely pro-diploma. I'm actually aghast at the standards they allow in the coaching world today. When I was a collegian (Washington State), you had to have a Masters to be a head coach, even the football coach. Of course, those were also the days when a PhD required working knowledge of two foreign languages, another minor detail that has apparently disappeared most everywhere. gh From: Robert Hersh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:49:10 -0400 To: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: why the Cal job is still open Message text written by ghill sheepskin. Overrated credential. Well, yeah, except that the institution that is going to pay someone to fill that position happens to be in the business of selling those very pieces of sheepskin. If everyone believed that the credential was overrated, the university wouldn't need a track coach because they wouldnt't have a track team because they wouldn't have a university. Bob H, BA, JD
Re: t-and-f: USATF Release: Jones named Athlete of the Week
Here we go again with the duplicate messages? Regards, Martin USATF Communications wrote: Contact:Tom Surber Media Information Manager USA Track Field (317) 261-0500 x317 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Tuesday, September 24, 2002 Jones named Athlete of the Week INDIANAPOLIS Five-time Olympic medalist Marion Jones has been named USA Track Fields Athlete of the Week after completing an undefeated season with her 100-meter win Friday at the 2002 IAAF World Cup in Madrid, Spain. A 20-minute downpour before Jones stepped into the blocks left her lane (lane one) with slushy footing and standing water. After three false starts (including one by her) Jones won the race in 10.90 seconds to finish 2002 with her first unbeaten season ever. (She lost long jump competitions in 1998-2000 and lost the 100m World Championship in 2001). Tayna Lawrence of the Americas was second to Jones in 11.06 seconds. Jones ends the 2002 campaign tied for the second-fastest womens 100m time in the world this season (10.84) and she owns seven of the eight fastest times in the world this year. Her 22.11 at 200-meters is the worlds best this season and her 400m win (50.46) at Mt. SAC in April made her the third-fastest American at that distance in 2002. Only Jearl Miles-Clark and Michelle Collins were faster. This marks the second time this season that Jones has been named USATFs Athlete of the Week. She also earned the designation August 27 after defeating reigning world 100m champion Zhanna Pintusevich Block at the Norwich Union Grand Prix on August 23 in London, England. Jones ran away with the race in 10.97 seconds. Pintusevich-Block was a distant second in 11.11. Other U.S. winners at the World Cup in Madrid included Gail Devers, who ended one of her finest seasons in leading the womens 100m hurdles from start to finish and breaking the tape in 12.65 seconds. On the mens side, Olympic silver medalist Adam Nelson won the shot put with a throw of 20.80 meters/68 feet, 3 inches, James Carter won the 400m hurdles in 48.27 seconds and 2001 World Championships silver medalist Savante Stringfellow, defeated world and Olympic champion Ivan Pedroso of the Americas with a leap of 8.21m/26-11.75. Team USAs mens 4x100m relay squad of Jon Drummond, Jason Smoots, Kaaron Conwright and Coby Miller ran a World Cup record of 37.95 seconds to easily beat the Americas, who finished second in 38.32. By finishing as the runner-up in the team competition, Team USAs men had their best finish since they won the World Cup in 1989. 2002 USA decathlon champion Tom Pappas also turned in an outstanding performance this past weekend by defeating Czechoslovakias world record holder Roman Sebrle to win the 2002 DecaStar in Talence, France. Pappas grabbed the lead on the first day of competition by winning the high jump with a clearance of 2.12 meters/6 feet-11.5 inches. He held the lead the rest of the way in totaling 8,525 points for the victory. Sebrle was the runner-up with 8,417 points. Also at Talence, 2002 U.S. champion and 2001 World Championships bronze medalist Shelia Burrell finished third in the heptathlon with 6,085 points. Now in its second year, USATFs Athlete of the Week program is designed to recognize performers at all levels of the sport. USATF names a new honoree each week and features the athlete on the USATF Web site. Selections are based on top performances and results from the previous week. 2002 USATF Athlete of the Week winners: January 3, Jim Garcia; January 8, Mary Louise Michelsohn; January 15, Tamara Diles; January 22, Miguel Pate; January 29, Regina Jacobs; February 5, Jeff Hartwig; February 12, Meb Keflezighi; February 19, Curt Clausen; February 26, Jeff Hartwig; March 5, Nicole Teter; March 12, Jeff Hartwig; March 19, Aretha Hill; March 26, Deena Drossin; April 2, Kim Fitchen; April 9, Deena Drossin; April 16, Khalid Khannouchi; April 23, Kenta Bell; April 30, Suzy Powell; May 7, Deena Drossin; May 14, Savante Stringfellow; May 21, Adam Nelson; May 28, Kevin Toth; June 4, Lashinda Demus; June 11, Anna Norgren Mahon; June 18, Molly Huddle; June 25, Sanya Richards; July 2, Savante Stringfellow; July 9, Nicole Teter; July 16, Maurice Greene; July 23, Lashinda Demus; July 30, Kerron Clement; August 6, Nate McDowell; August 13, Phil Raschker; August 20, James Carter; August 27, Marion Jones; September 3, Colleen De Reuck; September 10, Suzy Favor Hamilton; September 17, Tim Montgomery; September 24, Marion Jones. BEST MARKS WEEK ENDING SEPT. 22 (Note - all marks except decathlon/heptathlon are from the World Cup in Madrid, ESP on 9/20-21) MEN 100 - 10.10 Jon Drummond 200 - 20.32 Ramon Clay 400 - 45.46 Alvin Harrison 800 - 1:45.14 David Krummenacker 1500 - 4:05.82 Seneca Lassiter 3000 - 8:10.66 Bolota Asmerom
RE: t-and-f: USATF Release: Jones named Athlete of the Week
For the record Jones was 14-0 in the 100 meters (not including heats); 3-0 in the 200 and 1-0 in the 400. It's going to be real interesting to see how she fares regarding athlete of the year honors. Guevara was also undefeated (11-0) plus Golden League/GP Final/World Cup winner. Radcliffe has put up some big numbers going up and down a range of distances this year. One loss, but in a tremendous time, and, of course, there's still the Chicago Marathon to come. Field eventers Bergqvist and Kotova have had great seasons with impressive world leaders, but probably not enough to make AOY. -Original Message- From: USATF Communications [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 6:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: USATF Release: Jones named Athlete of the Week Contact:Tom Surber Media Information Manager USA Track Field (317) 261-0500 x317 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Tuesday, September 24, 2002 Jones named Athlete of the Week INDIANAPOLIS - Five-time Olympic medalist Marion Jones has been named USA Track Field's Athlete of the Week after completing an undefeated season with her 100-meter win Friday at the 2002 IAAF World Cup in Madrid, Spain. A 20-minute downpour before Jones stepped into the blocks left her lane (lane one) with slushy footing and standing water. After three false starts (including one by her) Jones won the race in 10.90 seconds to finish 2002 with her first unbeaten season ever. (She lost long jump competitions in 1998-2000 and lost the 100m World Championship in 2001). Tayna Lawrence of the Americas was second to Jones in 11.06 seconds. Jones ends the 2002 campaign tied for the second-fastest women's 100m time in the world this season (10.84) and she owns seven of the eight fastest times in the world this year. Her 22.11 at 200-meters is the world's best this season and her 400m win (50.46) at Mt. SAC in April made her the third-fastest American at that distance in 2002. Only Jearl Miles-Clark and Michelle Collins were faster. This marks the second time this season that Jones has been named USATF's Athlete of the Week. She also earned the designation August 27 after defeating reigning world 100m champion Zhanna Pintusevich Block at the Norwich Union Grand Prix on August 23 in London, England. Jones ran away with the race in 10.97 seconds. Pintusevich-Block was a distant second in 11.11. Other U.S. winners at the World Cup in Madrid included Gail Devers, who ended one of her finest seasons in leading the women's 100m hurdles from start to finish and breaking the tape in 12.65 seconds. On the men's side, Olympic silver medalist Adam Nelson won the shot put with a throw of 20.80 meters/68 feet, 3 inches, James Carter won the 400m hurdles in 48.27 seconds and 2001 World Championships silver medalist Savante Stringfellow, defeated world and Olympic champion Ivan Pedroso of the Americas with a leap of 8.21m/26-11.75. Team USA's men's 4x100m relay squad of Jon Drummond, Jason Smoots, Kaaron Conwright and Coby Miller ran a World Cup record of 37.95 seconds to easily beat the Americas, who finished second in 38.32. By finishing as the runner-up in the team competition, Team USA's men had their best finish since they won the World Cup in 1989. 2002 USA decathlon champion Tom Pappas also turned in an outstanding performance this past weekend by defeating Czechoslovakia's world record holder Roman Sebrle to win the 2002 DecaStar in Talence, France. Pappas grabbed the lead on the first day of competition by winning the high jump with a clearance of 2.12 meters/6 feet-11.5 inches. He held the lead the rest of the way in totaling 8,525 points for the victory. Sebrle was the runner-up with 8,417 points. Also at Talence, 2002 U.S. champion and 2001 World Championships bronze medalist Shelia Burrell finished third in the heptathlon with 6,085 points. Now in its second year, USATF's Athlete of the Week program is designed to recognize performers at all levels of the sport. USATF names a new honoree each week and features the athlete on the USATF Web site. Selections are based on top performances and results from the previous week. 2002 USATF Athlete of the Week winners: January 3, Jim Garcia; January 8, Mary Louise Michelsohn; January 15, Tamara Diles; January 22, Miguel Pate; January 29, Regina Jacobs; February 5, Jeff Hartwig; February 12, Meb Keflezighi; February 19, Curt Clausen; February 26, Jeff Hartwig; March 5, Nicole Teter; March 12, Jeff Hartwig; March 19, Aretha Hill; March 26, Deena Drossin; April 2, Kim Fitchen; April 9, Deena Drossin; April 16, Khalid Khannouchi; April 23, Kenta Bell; April 30, Suzy Powell; May 7, Deena Drossin; May 14, Savante Stringfellow; May 21, Adam Nelson; May 28, Kevin Toth; June 4, Lashinda Demus; June 11, Anna Norgren Mahon; June 18, Molly Huddle; June 25, Sanya Richards; July 2, Savante
Re: t-and-f: why the Cal job is still open
I'm actually aghast at the standards they allow in the coaching world today. When I was a collegian (Washington State), you had to have a Masters to be a head coach, even the football coach. Of course, those were also the days when a PhD required working knowledge of two foreign languages, another minor detail that has apparently disappeared most everywhere. Having gone through a masters program as well as been a head coach at the Div 3 level, I will say that it's primary benefit was to provide a baseline of knowledge from which it was easier to deal with all the coaching situations that come up. How does one deal with liability issues? How does one address pshychological issues like eating disorders? When faced with new studies, how does one read through the technical jargon and extract what's important (the summaries NEVER tell the whole story)? All these things can of course be learned without a masters degree or even a bachelor's degree. But the degree accelerates the learning process. And, very importantly, it tells a prospective employer that you have this base of knowledge, while a person with a lesser degree or no degree is more of an unknown. When I got out of grad school, was I more qualified than top Division I coaches with several decades of experience, with my masters and 3 years of coaching experience? Of course not. But I suspect I was more qualified to be a head coach than the vast majority of people who had 5-10 years of assistant coaching experience but no education in the area of physiology, administration, etc. - Ed Parrot BA, M.Ed
t-and-f: Duplicate messages
Now I have 2 more messages from Tuesday-one from Ed Grant and one from John Sun? They are duplicates. Regards, Martin
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Re: t-and-f: why the Cal job is still open
Hersh has benefited from credentialism too; he knows as well as I that many is the person who could represent a client as well as he with his JD or I with my LLB. But we have the benefit of the lawyer's monopoly. True, though, that the University of California or any other institution of higher learning is the last place to look for an assault on the evils of credentialism. Bill Allen - Original Message - From: Robert Hersh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 1:49 PM Subject: t-and-f: why the Cal job is still open Message text written by ghill sheepskin. Overrated credential. Well, yeah, except that the institution that is going to pay someone to fill that position happens to be in the business of selling those very pieces of sheepskin. If everyone believed that the credential was overrated, the university wouldn't need a track coach because they wouldnt't have a track team because they wouldn't have a university. Bob H, BA, JD
Re: t-and-f: USATF Release: Jones named Athlete of the Week
Post, Marty wrote: Radcliffe has put up some big numbers going up and down a range of distances this year. One loss, but in a tremendous time, and, of course, there's still the Chicago Marathon to come. Joe Henderson has a good article on Paula Radcliffe today at http://www.runnersworld.com/home/0,1300,1-0-0-ZNEWS,00.html#bell, making the case for her setting two real world records this year: best non-Chinese mark at 10,000m and best marathon time in a women's only race. I hope Chicago won't be stretching things too far for her, but she was actually pretty conservative in her racing all summer. Except for her 3000m loss to Szabo at Monaco, she avoided the lucrative IAAF track circuit and pointed mainly to the Commonwealth Games and the European Championships. Mar 23IAAF World X-C Long Race1st26:55 Apr 14London Marathon Marathon 1st2:18:56 Jul 19 Monaco Herculis3,000m 2nd 8:22.2 Jul 28 British Commonwealth Games5,000m 1st14:31.42 Aug 6 European Championships 10,000m 1st30:01.09 ER Sept 22Nike London 10K (road) 10,000m 1st30:38 Oct 13 Chicago Marathon Marathon ??? ? bob
Re: t-and-f: why the Cal job is still open
just curious: is a lawyer pissing-match a first for the list? :-) From: Robert Hersh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:30:17 -0400 To: Bill Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED], track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: why the Cal job is still open Message text written by Bill Allen Hersh has benefited from credentialism too; he knows as well as I that many is the person who could represent a client as well as he with his JD or I with my LLB. But we have the benefit of the lawyer's monopoly. Ah yes, Bill, but that monopoly derives not from the degree alone, but rather from membership in a bar that requires both the degree and passing a brutal 13-hour exam (in my state) to attain, and continuing legal education to maintain. This is not to say that there aren't non-members of the bar who could do what we do, or that there aren't members of the bar who cannot competently do what we do. But in general, I think that the monopoly is earned and it benefits not only the lawyers, but also the public. I would not want to be given medical treatment by someone who lacked a medical degree and a state license, and I wouldn't want to be legally represented by an unlicensed person either. You may call that credentialism; I call it common sense. Bob H
t-and-f: 2012--both cities lose?
http://www.sportserver.com/front/story/552703p-4360471c.html (improprieties by both NYC and SF?)
t-and-f: Ryder Cup update
Belfry, England (GHP)--In a surprise move, Curtis Strange substituted Seneca Lassiter for Tiger Woods in today's 2-ball match at the Ryder Cup. The strategy went awry when Lassiter, playing against good friend Tomas Bjorn with the match on the line, conceded a 127-foot put on the 19th hole.. :-)
Re: t-and-f: why the Cal job is still open
Message text written by Bill Allen Hersh has benefited from credentialism too; he knows as well as I that many is the person who could represent a client as well as he with his JD or I with my LLB. But we have the benefit of the lawyer's monopoly. Ah yes, Bill, but that monopoly derives not from the degree alone, but rather from membership in a bar that requires both the degree and passing a brutal 13-hour exam (in my state) to attain, and continuing legal education to maintain. This is not to say that there aren't non-members of the bar who could do what we do, or that there aren't members of the bar who cannot competently do what we do. But in general, I think that the monopoly is earned and it benefits not only the lawyers, but also the public. I would not want to be given medical treatment by someone who lacked a medical degree and a state license, and I wouldn't want to be legally represented by an unlicensed person either. You may call that credentialism; I call it common sense. Bob H
t-and-f: USATF News Notes: September 27, 2002
Contact:Tom Surber Media Information Manager USA Track Field (317) 261-0500 x317 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org USATF News Notes Volume 3, Number 94 September 27, 2002 USA marathon titles at stake at Twin Cities The 2002 USA Marathon Championships for Open and Masters men and women will be up for grabs Sunday at the 21st edition of the Twin Cities Marathon, which begins in downtown Minneapolis and finishes at the Minnesota state Capitol in nearby St. Paul. Former U.S. marathon record-holder David Morris of Albuquerque, N.M., who ran his record-setting personal best of 2:09:32 in Chicago in 1999, leads a talented group of Americans at Twin Cities. Joining him in the race for the U.S title and the chance to be the first American man to win Twin Cities since Ed Eyestone won the U.S. title on the course in 1993 are marathon veterans Phil Castillo of Longmont, Colo.; Kevin Collins of Craryville, N.Y.; Mike Dudley of Boulder, Colo.; Darrell General of Mitchellville, Maryland; Teddy Mitchell of Ft. Carson, Colo.; Todd Reeser of Rochester, N.Y.; Peter Sherry of Great Falls, Virginia; and Chris Wehrman of Chicago. Marathon rookies looking for explosive debuts include Dan Browne of Portland, Ore., who has earned nine U.S. track, cross country and road racing titles in his career and this year's 20K national title; Sydney 5000 meter Olympian Brad Hauser of Palo Alto, Calif.; two-time U.S. World Cross country team member Greg Jimmerson of Los Altos Hills, Calif., and Jim Jurcevich of Columbus, Ohio, who has been a top contender in the USA Running Circuit this year. Top local contender Chris Lundstrom of Northfield, Minn., is the top returnee from the 2001 U.S. Championship, where the Team USA Minnesota member finished third. Kim Pawelek of Jacksonville, Fla., the last American woman to win at TCM, leads a strong U.S. womens contingent. Joining her are fellow Americans Susannah Beck of Eugene, Ore., who finished 4th in the 2000 U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials; Christine Clifton, who currently resides in Milan, Italy, and who clocked a breakthrough 2:32:47 at the 2000 Chicago Marathon; Jill Gaitenby of Providence, R.I.; Rosa Gutierrez of Glendale, Ore.; 1997 U.S. Champion Julia Kirtland of Harpswell, Maine; and Michelle Simonaitis of Draper, Utah, a member of the U.S. World Championships team in Edmonton last year. Laura Baker of Gastonia, N.C., is the top rookie prospect, boasting a 33:18 10K personal best. Minnesota stars Sharon Stubler of Minnetonka and Katie Koski of Two Harbors are the top local hopes in the Open field. Favorites to win the USA masters titles on Sunday include defending U.S. men s masters champion Eddy Hellebuyck of Albuquerque, N.M.; 2001 U.S. masters runner-up Steve Wilson of Lafayette, Ind.; Dennis Simonaitis of Draper, Utah and Tony Banovich of Billings, Montana. In the womens masters field, favorites include U.S. Olympian Linda Somers Smith of San Luis Obispo, Calif., the U.S. Marathon Champion in 1993 and 1994; Gordon Bakoulis, of New York City, the U.S. masters runner-up at TCM last year and Kim Jones of Ft. Collins, Colo., a two-time TCM winner and 1986 national champion. For more information on the 2002 USA Marathon Championships, including the results on Sunday, visit www.usatf.org. Keflezighi enters New York City Marathon U.S. mens 10,000-meter record holder and 2000 Olympian Meb Keflezighi will make his marathon debut November 3 at the 2002 New York City Marathon. The 2000 Olympic Trials 10,000m champion, Keflezighi became the second athlete ever to go under 27 minutes in the 10K at the USA Outdoor Championships with his winning effort of 27 minutes, 41.68 seconds earlier this year. Keflezighi set the U.S. 10,000m record of 27:13.98 on May 4, 2001 at the Cardinal Invitational in Palo Alto, Calif. The performance bettered his previous personal best by almost 40 seconds. A member of Team USA California, Keflezighi, who placed 12th in the 10,000m at the 2000 Olympics in Sydney despite battling the flu, was a four-time NCAA champion while at UCLA. The two-time defending U.S. 12K Cross Country champion, Keflezighi barely edged Abdi Abdirahman at the finish for the 2002 title. Both were timed in 35:45. In addition to his 2002 U.S. national titles at 10,000 meters and at 12K cross country, Keflezighi also won national crowns this year at 5K roads, 7 mile roads and at 15K. Inaugurated in 1970 with 127 entrants, the New York City Marathon has grown to 30,000 participants, some 2.5 million live spectators, a leading elite field and a guaranteed prize purse of more than $475,000. The New York City Marathon is broadcast across the nation and in 125 countries worldwide. For more information on the 33rd running of the New York City Marathon, visit www.nycmarathon.org. # # # Tom Surber Media Information Manager USA Track Field (317) 261-0478 x317 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Bob Hayes nostalgia
Since I was on vacation when it happened, I couldn't do anything about it, but Bob Hayes' passing deserved some kind of tribute, so if you check out the TFN website (www.trackandfieldnews.com) you'll find the Jim Dunaway and Cordner Nelson stories from the '64 TFN Olympic edition. Just to get a feel of what awe Bullet Bob was held in by those who watched him run. Still my choice for World's Fastest Human ever.
Re: t-and-f: USATF Release: Jones named Athlete of the Week
From: Randy Treadway[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Randy Treadway[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:44:21 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: USATF Release: Jones named Athlete of the Week she avoided the lucrative IAAF track circuit and pointed mainly to the Commonwealth Games and the European Championships. that avoidance might be ignored by Runner's World, but might end up costing her dearly in the TFN AOY rankings. Actually, it will probably aid her in the AOY Rankings. Why? Cuz if she had run the IAAF Circuit, Szabo and Adere would have eaten her lunch and instead of a bunch of 1s in her placings column she'd have a raft of 2s and 3s. Pending what happens at Chicago, I could see myself voting her as low as No. 3 behind Guevara and Jones, who forged undefeated records (something she didn't) against the best, week after week. gh
Re: t-and-f: Montgomery to Skip World Cup Race
From: Todd Harbron[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Todd Harbron[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:11:35 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Montgomery to Skip World Cup Race Resent-From: e. garry hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:43:14 -0700 He probably fears a loss would hurt his chances of obtaining the coveted #1 100m ranking from TFN. I would suspect he has a slight advantage to rank #1 over the Brit now having won the top honor so far this year. Take this NOT as a definitive statement from one of the Rankings panel, but just as my musings at this point. They're pretty danged close. On the season, Chambers and Montgomery are 2-2 in head-to-head. Each won 4 European GP races. Montgomery is a bit faster in terms of top-5 average (the WR itself has basically no bearing on the Rankings, although it certainly will in AOY consideration). But Monty also has a losing record (3-4) against Mo. Had they gone head-to-head in Madrid and Chambers won, the choice between the two would have been exceedingly brutal. I'm not sure how I would have viewed it. As it is, i personally PROBABLY give the nod to Montgomery, becuase the GP Final was without question the most important race of the year. So, if as mum used to say, discretion is the better part of valour, then his no-race choice may have been the prudent one. No idea if Chambers was just shot by the World Cup, or if with neither Greene nor Montgomery in the race his heart just wasn't in it. He definitely looked rather flat. gh
Re: t-and-f: Bob Hayes nostalgia
ghill wrote: Still my choice for World's Fastest Human ever. The article in the new Sports Illustrated was good, but somebody needs a real in-depth article. Where is Kenny Moore when we need him?! bob
Re: t-and-f: USATF Release: Jones named Athlete of the Week
Do you think that she cares? EP - Original Message - From: Randy Treadway [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: USATF Release: Jones named Athlete of the Week she avoided the lucrative IAAF track circuit and pointed mainly to the Commonwealth Games and the European Championships. that avoidance might be ignored by Runner's World, but might end up costing her dearly in the TFN AOY rankings. RT
Re: t-and-f: why the Cal job is still open
ghill wrote: just curious: is a lawyer pissing-match a first for the list? :-) Regarding credentials, what's the difference between a dead skunk in the middle of the road and a dead lawyer in the middle of the road? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . There were skid marks in front of the dead skunk.
Re: t-and-f: why the Cal job is still open
At 6:40 PM +0200 9/27/02, Wilmar Kortleever wrote: ghill schreef: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/09/27/SP227165.DTL John Crumpacker story about Chris Huffins not having a degree. Big deal--i ran TFN for almost 20 years sans sheepskin. Overrated credential. gh LS I think it was an interesting and well-written story by Mr. Crumpacker. I was somewhat surprised though, about the comment about Ms. Johnson (who, according to http://calbears.ocsn.com/sports/c-otrack/mtt/johnson_robyne00.html, is quite a succesfull coach). It seems to suggest that because she earned her masters degree, it is proven that finishing school can be combined with remaining a competative athlete. And while I do happen to believe the latter, it has to be observed there are some differences between Ms. Johnsons record (9th World indoors '91, four olympic trials participations) and Mr. Huffins' record (bronze medallist of the 2000 olympics and the '99 Worlds, US champ. '98). So maybe, just maybe those differences are (apart of course from natural given talent) also a reflection of the fact that Mr. Huffins' focused on his athletics for the full 100%? (not too mention it is my experience most decathletes make far more hours in training than athletes in most other events) Regards, Wilmar Kortleever The question I have is why are long-time Cal event coaches Ed Miller and Tony Sandoval not even in the mix...I know that both are respected by their peers around the country...are there some politics within the Cal athletic department involved? Paul Merca
