t-and-f: Saty home for Paris World Champs
An add in TF News reminded me of something... sorry GH. My hope is that everyone here boycotts the Worlds in Paris, in addition to any other French products, until Chirac and his socialist cronies get out of town... I'll enjoy watching the athletes on TV. BTW - I've also cancelled a trip to Montreal this summer, after hearing their fans boo the Star Spangled Banner at a Canadiens game. 'Nuff said. RH
t-and-f: Stay home for Paris World Champs
An add in TF News reminded me of something... sorry GH. My hope is that everyone here boycotts the Worlds in Paris, in addition to any other French products, until Chirac and his socialist cronies get out of town... I'll enjoy watching the athletes on TV. BTW - I've also cancelled a trip to Montreal this summer, after hearing their fans boo the Star Spangled Banner at a Canadiens game. 'Nuff said. RH
RE: t-and-f: Stay home for Paris World Champs
Went to Edmonton in '01, and I had a teriffic time. I'm sure I'll go again. Sadly, there are other places I'd rather spend my money right now... Thanks, RH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ghill Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:39 PM To: track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: Saty home for Paris World Champs no need to apologize to me, but if you were truly thinking of going and have now changed your mind, I think you should apologize to yourself. As my mother would say, this is a classic case of cutting off your nose to spite your face. If you're a member of this list, obviously track is a very central part of your life. Don't know if you've ever been to a World Champs, but track just doesn't get any better than that. To allow the actions of a few members of the booboisie to steal that from you means they win. Boycott whatever French products you want, but why deprive yourself of something so wonderful, to so little effect. The U.S. team will welcome your presence in Stade de France. gh ps--if some booing of the national anthem is the worst thing that befalls the U.S. in coming months we'll truly be living in a blessed nation. From: Rich Harrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Rich Harrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:35:12 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Saty home for Paris World Champs An add in TF News reminded me of something... sorry GH. My hope is that everyone here boycotts the Worlds in Paris, in addition to any other French products, until Chirac and his socialist cronies get out of town... I'll enjoy watching the athletes on TV. BTW - I've also cancelled a trip to Montreal this summer, after hearing their fans boo the Star Spangled Banner at a Canadiens game. 'Nuff said. RH
RE: t-and-f: Saty home for Paris World Champs
That makes them low-class too... -Original Message- From: Penny and Bill McIlwaine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 7:21 PM To: Rich Harrington; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Saty home for Paris World Champs I hope you do not plan any trips to Atlanta where they booed OH Canada - Original Message - From: Rich Harrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 5:35 PM Subject: t-and-f: Saty home for Paris World Champs An add in TF News reminded me of something... sorry GH. My hope is that everyone here boycotts the Worlds in Paris, in addition to any other French products, until Chirac and his socialist cronies get out of town... I'll enjoy watching the athletes on TV. BTW - I've also cancelled a trip to Montreal this summer, after hearing their fans boo the Star Spangled Banner at a Canadiens game. 'Nuff said. RH
RE: t-and-f: list problems...
Try setting the format of your messages to PLAIN TEXT, as opposed to HTML or Rich Text. For example, your reply and Larry's initial message from (I'm assuming) his old PC, are both in plain text format. The format setting location depends on what e-mail software you're using. Hope that helps, Rich -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tony Banovich Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: list problems... Larry, I've had the same problem ever since I upgraded to XP. I can reply to the list, but haven't been able to get an original message to show up. Let me know if you had found out anything. Tony Banovich Billings, Montana - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:05 AM Subject: t-and-f: list problems... Listers, I recently purchased a new computer, and I've noticed that I've been sending messages to the list, but they don't post. If this reaches the list, it's from my old computer. Any suggestions? Larry Morgan
RE: t-and-f: It's not fair...
It's nice to see how Princeton University gives back to the community. Truly heartwarming isn't it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Berry,Bruce Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:57 AM To: Robert Kiessling; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Track and Field List Subject: RE: t-and-f: It's not fair... This situation is REALLY BAD, but as Bob said this may be the ONE time that the NJSIAA has tried to do something to help the sport and kids. Being a former Gr. IV Head Coach I know the frustrations of trying to get a team ready to compete early then late of the M of C. One solution could be instead of just switching the groups around time wise (Group IV had a 9am start this year but will start at 1pm next year) switch what groups compete on the early dates and who competes on the late dates (i.e. - next year Gr. I IV have relays on the Jan. 18th weekend and indiv. on the Feb. 2nd weekend). Also, I'm sure someone has looked into it, but what about The Peddie School or Lawrencevill Prep School (they have a 200 meter Mondo banked, but I do not know the seating). Finally, someone may need to CONVINCE Princeton officials of the value and importance of athletics in kids lives and hopefully they will soften their position and let the kids play! It stinks but what else can be done? Bruce Berry Akron Track and Field - Assistant Coach -Original Message- From: Robert Kiessling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 6:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Track and Field List Subject: Re: t-and-f: It's not fair... Larry: I can tell you, based on inside knowledge, that this situation is not one that the NJSIAA has chosen voluntarily. They and the Winter Track Committee know the whole scenario is unfair. But they have to deal with whatever dates Princeton gives them. Each year those dates are less and less desirable. Years ago, we had a better choice and the setup was State Relay Championships on the first Weekend in February ( Two Groups Saturday, Two Groups Sunday) - State Individual Championship Meets two weekends later, all on the same weekend ( Two Groups Saturday, Two Groups Sunday) - and the weekend after that was the Meet of Champions. It was great, but impossible to do now. Because of the number of Athletes and Spectators involved, there is no other place in the State to hold the meet. Princeton almost through out the whole program a few years ago and Boyd Sands and to do a lot of negotiating just to keep us in - and this is while we pay them $1100 an hour. I am now coaching at a Group IV school and am not happy about the situation, but I also know that the powers that be did not DO this to us. They know that no one is happy, but unless a place an be found to run that can also hold a couple of thousand people ( spectators and runners) we are stuck. One of these years Princeton is going to give us dates in December and tell the NJSIAA to take it or leave it. Guess what, we will be having State Meets in December. There just is no choice. The other thing is that is if we are out of Princeton, which can happen, there will be NO State Meets and watch as schools all over the State use that as an excuse to cancel Winter Track. You can complain all that you want, but what everyone needs is another AVAILABLE Site. The 168th Street Armory is out as they are booked every minute during the winter. And remember, it has to be available for two weekends all day Saturday Sunday and another weekend day for half a day, all of this in February. It has to sit a few thousand people and have a 200 meter track. There is no place in New Jersey that can meet the physical requirements not to mention the dates. In South Jersey, we run ALL of our meets in Pennsylvania. I know that even in North Jersey, which does have number of tracks that some conference meets are run at the Armory in New York City ( Out of State). If you can solve all of these problems, you will be the hero in New Jersey among the track people forever. You have no idea how many people have tried to address your concerns every year. But if you have the solution, we are willing to take it. The NJSIAA Committee has said that for years. In South Jersey we have tried to solve our smaller scale problems for years. We have no viable indoor tracks for very large scale competitions. that is the problem. What is the answer unless someone contacts Bill Gates to build and maintain one for us? Bob Kiessling New Jersey High School Track Coach
RE: t-and-f: It's not fair...
I seem recall running there on Sundays and weeknights at Jadwin when I was in H.S., though my memory could be getting foggy 15 years later. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: It's not fair... Rich Harrington wrote: It's nice to see how Princeton University gives back to the community. Truly heartwarming isn't it? Well, you have to remember that Jadwin Gym isn't just a track - it's also Princeton's home venue for Basketball: Home games on Saturdays: 2/1 (men) 2/8 (women) 2/15(men) 2/22(women) 3/8 (men) Varsity Track 1/25 Princeton Relays 2/8 Penn State/Penn Triangular Meet (Women's) So, it's already got a pretty crowded schedule. I think that in the past, the Women's team used to play up in Dillon Gym, which alleviated some of that schedule crunch, though I'm not sure when the switch occurred. Phil Larry: I can tell you, based on inside knowledge, that this situation is not one that the NJSIAA has chosen voluntarily. They and the Winter Track Committee know the whole scenario is unfair. But they have to deal with whatever dates Princeton gives them. Each year those dates are less and less desirable. Years ago, we had a better choice and the setup was State Relay Championships on the first Weekend in February ( Two Groups Saturday, Two Groups Sunday) - State Individual Championship Meets two weekends later, all on the same weekend ( Two Groups Saturday, Two Groups Sunday) - and the weekend after that was the Meet of Champions.
RE: t-and-f: NJSIAA sux...
Is the State relay meet still in Princeton? I know that Princeton hasn't been thrilled with having the high schoolers there to begin with, so maybe meet officials are taking extra care to avoid an incident that will give the school further grounds to recind their welcome. In the end Dan is right. It's still essential for kids to be respectful to officials' instructions, whether they agree with them or not. RJH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dan Kaplan Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 9:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: NJSIAA sux... Almost as ridiculous is refusing to leave the unsanctioned facility when told repeatedly to do so by officials with a history of harshly enforced rules. Doesn't justify the rule, but it also doesn't reflect all that well on the intelligence of the athletes in question. Dan --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Listers, For all of you who have not heard of this utterly ridiculous action brought against 3 kids at a NJ state relay meet yesterday, hold on to your lap tops... Yesterday, 3 NJ HS boys (from the same team) were DQ'd before the start of the indoor state relay championships for warming up outside in an unsupervised facility!! It was reported that the boys were told repeatedly to get off of the outdoor facility, but refused. When they returned to the building to enter, they were met by 3 NJSIAA officials (and their coach was not present) who said they heard both sides of the story and decided to DQ the kids anyway. WHO IN THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE, AND WHY IS THEIR WORD LAW?! The same situation arose last year with the state's leading female hurdler, who claimed she entered her seed card, and an NJSIAA official said she didn't. The word of the official was law, and the girl was not allowed to run. I'm trying to figure out the intent of the NJSIAA. Is it to uplift the integrity of scholastic sports in NJ, or ego trip? I can understand a repremand, but to DQ runners outside the realm of competition is ridiculous. The team, without 3 of it's top runners, ended up losing the meet by 1 point... Larry A. Morgan Elizabeth Heat TC = http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
RE: t-and-f: The REAL athlete of the year
Wait a minute, first you stated that Blinn's tennis team is all rich white kids. Then , when your agenda is exposed, it's Blinndergarten??? You can't have it both ways... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bloomquist, Bret Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:29 PM To: 'Martin J. Dixon'; Dave Johnson Cc: Randall Northam; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: The REAL athlete of the year Blinn's finest hour was one of its last. At the Texas Relays one year, the USA 4x100 team was the featured attraction -- Carl Lewis and his crew. At the end of the meet, they had a match race in the 4x4 with Blinn -- and Blinn won by a nose. The times were actually a bit slower than Baylor ran in the main division, and of course none of the guys on Team USA were quarter-milers. Still it was darn entertaining. Texas would schedule a dual with Blinn every now and again, more or less just so they could get stomped and Stan Huntsman could use that as proof that Division I schools need more scholarships. I'm tired of seeing 23-foot long jumper, was how he famously put it one year. Regarding another post on this thread, I do imagine the foreigners/local kids angle with regard to the tennis program played a factor. Probably a big one. Still, Blinndergarden acting like academics and image are a big deal is kind of ludicrous. -Original Message- From: magpie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:40 PM To: Bloomquist, Bret Subject:RE: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? not just dual meets, either. barton was/is good, but blinn was just dominant, period - they were the arkansas of juco tf and they had a winning streak at juco nationals to back it up. rumor has it that the major relay meets created the current competition divisions (i.e. 'university' 'college open') specifically because blinn would roll into town and make the big, bad university boys look bad by thumping them around the track. - a san jacinto college ex (another good program (both men's and women's) scuttled) p.s. i really have to wonder why in the hell a juco is concerned with 'quality of students' when all you really have to do to get accepted is to graduate from high school - simple solution, raise the entrance requirements, if the stated aim is indeed a sincere one. if i had to guess, i would say that higher educational opportunities (any) for black youth are at much more of a premium than those for rich white kids (due to following reasons) - who i would venture to say are just coasting through because they did not have the game for d1, d2, d3, naia - if they do not have the head for it, either, then i would also have to question the worth of their scholarships, and would then have to go into the considerations of the major discrepancies in education (and therefore opportunities) which exist between products of rich white suburban school districts and poor inner city primarily minority school districts as well as poor rural school districts, etc. but that is just my opinion, i could be wrong . . . did not mean to get off on a rant there. === We ask for information, but are interested most in what confirms our opinions. -- Source Unknown --- Bloomquist, Bret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The medicre tennis team was 100 percent white kids, mostly upper-middle class. The perennial national champion track team was mostly black. Maybe that is irrelevant to the better quality of student-athlete reference, but it looked fishy. Quite a few people, and not just the NAACP chapter but a number of white people in the track community, questioned whether there was a thinly veiled racial aspect of all this. By the way, I'll straight up call the Blinn teams of the 1980s the best dual meet teams, at any level, in US collegiate track. They took on UTexas in a dual meet and beat them by about 100 points. Of course that's because they were offering three times as many scholarships as any Division I. -Original Message- From:Rich Harrington [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:Tuesday, January 07, 2003 5:13 PM To: Bloomquist, Bret; 'Scott Davis'; david lesley Cc: ghill; track list Subject: RE: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Why the racial reference? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bloomquist, Bret Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 5:21 PM To: 'Scott Davis'; david lesley Cc: ghill; track list Subject: RE: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Blinn Junior College. Just a JC, but arguably the greatest JC track
RE: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs???
Why the racial reference? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bloomquist, Bret Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 5:21 PM To: 'Scott Davis'; david lesley Cc: ghill; track list Subject: RE: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Blinn Junior College. Just a JC, but arguably the greatest JC track program of all time. They cut it but kept men's tennis because men's tennis had a better quality of student athlete. Read: Rich white kids. -Original Message- From: Scott Davis [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:15 PM To: david lesley Cc: ghill; track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Yes, SD State, but Men only. Scott david lesley wrote: San Diego State -- From: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Date: Tue, Jan 7, 2003, 10:34 AM Oregon State, San Josi State From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:10:38 EST To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? In light of the recent announcement that St.John's(NY) is dropping its men's programs after this school year, I'm trying to compile a list of schools that no longer sponsor men's track/X-Country(or will soon drop the program). I'm aware of the following off the top of my head--any others? Bowling Green Georgia State (X-Country only) Nevada-Las Vegas Northern Illinois Northwestern St.John's Vermont Walt Murphy
t-and-f: test - please disregard
RE: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs???
Be careful about making accusations of racism without having some evidence to back it up. It's all too easy to sit on the sideline and throw stones. People's lives get ruined that way, without having a chance to defend themselves. Why don't you take it up with the school's administration, and do some more research? Then report your findings back to us. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bloomquist, Bret Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:24 PM To: 'Rich Harrington'; Bloomquist, Bret; 'Scott Davis'; david lesley Cc: ghill; track list Subject: RE: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? The medicre tennis team was 100 percent white kids, mostly upper-middle class. The perennial national champion track team was mostly black. Maybe that is irrelevant to the better quality of student-athlete reference, but it looked fishy. Quite a few people, and not just the NAACP chapter but a number of white people in the track community, questioned whether there was a thinly veiled racial aspect of all this. By the way, I'll straight up call the Blinn teams of the 1980s the best dual meet teams, at any level, in US collegiate track. They took on UTexas in a dual meet and beat them by about 100 points. Of course that's because they were offering three times as many scholarships as any Division I. -Original Message- From: Rich Harrington [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 5:13 PM To: Bloomquist, Bret; 'Scott Davis'; david lesley Cc: ghill; track list Subject: RE: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Why the racial reference? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bloomquist, Bret Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 5:21 PM To: 'Scott Davis'; david lesley Cc: ghill; track list Subject: RE: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Blinn Junior College. Just a JC, but arguably the greatest JC track program of all time. They cut it but kept men's tennis because men's tennis had a better quality of student athlete. Read: Rich white kids. -Original Message- From: Scott Davis [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:15 PM To: david lesley Cc: ghill; track list Subject:Re: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Yes, SD State, but Men only. Scott david lesley wrote: San Diego State -- From: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? Date: Tue, Jan 7, 2003, 10:34 AM Oregon State, San Josi State From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:10:38 EST To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs??? In light of the recent announcement that St.John's(NY) is dropping its men's programs after this school year, I'm trying to compile a list of schools that no longer sponsor men's track/X-Country(or will soon drop the program). I'm aware of the following off the top of my head--any others? Bowling Green Georgia State (X-Country only) Nevada-Las Vegas Northern Illinois Northwestern St.John's Vermont Walt Murphy
RE: t-and-f: Marked courses
Ed, Fortunately, the real NY State meet, or Federation meet, (which allows wild card teams and parochial schools) is held at the same site each year, at Bowdoin Park in Wappingers Falls. It is held a week after the NYSPHSAA meet, which excludes most parochial and NY City schools, that aren't members. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-t-and-f;lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of Ed Grant Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 5:52 PM To: track net Subject: t-and-f: Martked courses Netters: At Wariananco park, Elizabeth, there is a line which marks the course from start to ffinish. But we still put marshals out at crucial points for two purposes: 1) to make sure no one cuts the course; 2) to make sure that they go the right way. It makes no differenece how many athlketes go off course, what makes the difference is that crucial points are properly covered by officials. Look at what happened in a big college race several years ago---a coach (Mike Brady of princeton) hyad to run down the leaders who hade made a mistake on what is evidently a compliated course. When are people going to realize that someone running a tough CC race is not out for a walk in the park. One problem with NY is that they change the site of the state meet every year. We had a four-course cycle in NJ some years back, but then decided it would be best to put the last two weeks of the state meet at the same course every year---and, ion addiion, there is a major invitation meet there earlier in the year which is attended by rwo-thirds of the state;teams, including mosat of the teams and athletes who have a shot at state honors. The course is also open to practice runs every daym as are two of our other sectional sites. In a small state like ours, and with a central site like Holmdel, no one is all that far away. Ed Grant
RE: t-and-f: Americans at NY
He ran for Bound Brook HS ('89) in New Jersey. He was one of a great NJ HS
trio that year, and All-American at Florida, I believe.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:owner-t-and-f;lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of Post, Marty
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:07 AM
To: 'Martin J. Dixon'; Track Field List
Subject: RE: t-and-f: Americans at NY
Mike Mykytok claimed after the race that he had a problem with his chip and
it fell off or something. The New York Road Runners have completed their
review and he has been added to the official results in 31st place in
2:26:53.
Don't know exactly where Mike was born, but certainly was somewhere within
the USA.
-Original Message-
From: Martin J. Dixon [mailto:mjdixon;millards.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 3:27 PM
To: Track Field List
Subject: t-and-f: Americans at NY
A reasonably funny post to letsrun:
First U.S.-Born Finisher in NYC Marathon -- Guess Who?
Scroll down.
Marla Runyan, a 33-year-old blind woman.
Regards,
Martin
RE: t-and-f: Free Distance clinic at USATF's
Now I'm at a loss... you said successful and native born? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Wayne T. Armbrust Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 5:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Free Distance clinic at USATF's Well, perhaps I can be excused for overlooking someone who dropped out of view almost immediately after becoming a U.S. citizen and winning the World Championships. Perhaps I should have said native born. Rich Harrington wrote: Mark Platjes? -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
RE: t-and-f: Free Distance clinic at USATF's
Now I'm at a loss... you said successful and native born? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Wayne T. Armbrust Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 5:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Free Distance clinic at USATF's Well, perhaps I can be excused for overlooking someone who dropped out of view almost immediately after becoming a U.S. citizen and winning the World Championships. Perhaps I should have said native born. Rich Harrington wrote: Mark Platjes? -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
RE: t-and-f: Golden West HS Meet
Go here for a start, and then get Jack Shepard' book: http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/lists/prepout_at_w.html http://www.dyestat.com/us/2out/gwi/results.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 11:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Golden West HS Meet Not much on the list about Golden West! Some great times (a little problem with the clock) but some fast running in a lot of events. Anyway, besides Kim Mortenson's National 3200 record of 9:49.59, who are the top five girls HS 3200/2mile time. One of the Shea sisters in there? # 4 all time last night. But who had the top 5, after Mortenson? help guys. Best, Dave Ponas
RE: t-and-f: On state records
Yep. I've seen school record boards where separate records are kept for 200m, 220y, 400m 440y, 800m, 880y, 1600m, the mile, 3200m and 2 miles. In most cases the records for the imperial distances are substantially superior. Coaches seem to do this so that they can show that the athletes that they've coached in more recent years get on the board. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robert Hersh Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 8:57 AM To: Ed Grant Cc: track net Subject: t-and-f: On state records Message text written by Ed Grant Our state association keeps no records outside of its own championship meets. When metrics were introduced here in 1980, they promptly threw out all the previous records---including those for field events! It had taken quite a while to get all of them restored. Best example of this is the indoor mile all-group mark of 4;06.6, set in 1973 by Vince Cartier. On several occasions it was announced at the indoor state meet that the 1600-meter mark was broken, once by a Scotch Plains coach serving as announcer. What's sad is that Ed is talking about a state association of high schools. It seems to me that anybody who is too stupid or too ignorant to understand that a metric distance cannot be treated as superior to a distance that is a foot longer (measured in feet), or that a 4:06.6 mile must be the 1600m record at least until someone runs faster for 1600m, should not be permitted to do anything on behalf of an educational institution or an association of educational institutions, other than sweeping the floors or cooking lunch. If this sort of thing is tolerated in and by those schools, you have to wonder what else is being taught there. That the earth is flat, perhaps? That 2+2 = 5? Bob H
RE: t-and-f: Good show by Moroccan B team at XC Worlds
No stone throwing here. I'm just trying to look at it from a practical point of view. If everyone ran for their sponsors, there would be more Kenyan and Moroccan runners allowed, therfore improving the comepetition. Another solution could be to allow B and C teams. Unfortunately that would be too upsetting for many. If you think about it, the present setup really just holds many great runners back. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mcewen, Brian T Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 10:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Good show by Moroccan B team at XC Worlds Careful where you throw a stone The U.S. has a few notables that weren't born here and grew up most of their early years elsewhere; like Keflezghi, Abdirahman, and DeReuck. /Brian -Original Message- From: Rich Harrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 10:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Good show by Morroccan B team at XC Worlds Look at those French names. It looks like Morroccan B team to me, though maybe there's an Algian or Tunisian athlete there. It's time to do it like US Nationals. Athletes here don't represent their states. They represent New Balance, Adidas, Puma, Nike, etc. The last summer Olympics moved me to form this opinion, when I saw that one of the small oil countries from the Middle East (UAE ?) had gone out and recruited some Slavic athletes for their weightlifting team. It somehow renders the concept of nationality irrelevant. This doesn't apply to many nations yet, but things are certainly moving in that direction. 4 France 71 390 Sghyr Ismaïl13 386 Essaïd Mustapha15 388 Lahssini El Hassan23 389 Serbouti Mohammed33 384 El Ahmadi El Hassan(75) 391 Zoubaa Khalid(76) Rich Harrington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Good show by Morroccan B team at XC Worlds
Look at those French names. It looks like Morroccan B team to me, though maybe there's an Algian or Tunisian athlete there. It's time to do it like US Nationals. Athletes here don't represent their states. They represent New Balance, Adidas, Puma, Nike, etc. The last summer Olympics moved me to form this opinion, when I saw that one of the small oil countries from the Middle East (UAE ?) had gone out and recruited some Slavic athletes for their weightlifting team. It somehow renders the concept of nationality irrelevant. This doesn't apply to many nations yet, but things are certainly moving in that direction. 4 France 71 390 Sghyr Ismaïl13 386 Essaïd Mustapha15 388 Lahssini El Hassan23 389 Serbouti Mohammed33 384 El Ahmadi El Hassan(75) 391 Zoubaa Khalid(76) Rich Harrington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: t-and-f: Borzov and misunderstanding population genetics
Perhaps, Mr Entine, "they" (runners of West African ancestry) use drugs too... since corruption is certainly NOT limited to any race. Speculation without PROOF is dangerous and irresponsible Mr. Entine. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jon Entine Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 7:39 PM To: Conway Cc: Track and Field List Subject: Re: t-and-f: Borzov and misunderstanding population genetics Mr. Entine .. \ I have not denigrated any of your hypotheses regarding genetics .. What I merely stated was that your hypothesis is narrow in scope dearly ONLY with genetics and leaving out other scientific areas such as sociology, economics and the like EXCEPT Mr. Hill, if you had read my book, instead of attacking it without having read it, you would recognize that I do NO such thing. In fact, 80 percent of my book deals with social and cultural issues. .. (and yes As for your request of me to provide an explanation regarding "And if you have a powerful explanation for why runners of West African ancestry have been over-represented by population and usually dominated the 100 meter since the early part of the century (even when the number of black participants could be counted in the dozens worldwide), yet have never been even adequate at long distances, let's have it." that answer lies within the reason why any group of people dominate any event - fins the javelin, Finns don't dominate the javelin. North Africans the distances North Africans don't dominate the distances.. Americans the sprints "America" is not a coherent, genetically based population shaped over thousands, or even hundreds, of years. In contrast, many sub-populations in Africa are. As I wrote, you seem to ignore the genetics for a popular, folkloric argument. And if you would like a more detailed explanation then I suggest you first un-sidestep the question that I asked as to why there are no West Africans among the sprint leaders now or ever Apparently you haven't looked very closely at the list of the top 500 all times sprinters, 494 of them who trace their primary ancestry to West Africa. Considering the lack of opportunity, coaching, etc. in the region of West Africa today, West African participation and success in sports that demand quick burst energy and jumping ability, and are widely accessible (running, basketball) is remarkable, even higher per capita than American blacks. In football, which basically no one plays in West Africa, it's off the charts. Since you seem to like to address only those things for which you have immediate answers and ignore those for which you have no answers at all .. And if you knew much about track at all you would realize that Borzov's still wind sea level performances at Munich on its relatively soft track equate quite well in conversion to today's times 1) Mr. Conway, what's the Borzov obsession you have. I don't even mention him in Taboo. And as I have written many times, whether he is good or great or whatever is totally irrelevant to the issue at hand. And even on face value he would have won this years Olympic 200 with his hands still raised in the air !!! And as for your statement about one pretty good soviet sprinter I named several white sprinters and could name more to which you again ignored the statement and had no reply .. AS you made no reference at all to the plethora of female white sprinters that have and continue to be among the worlds best in the sprints .. So no not hyperventilating Mr. Entine just calling you to task and responding to the aura of arrogance that you routinely bring to this list .. Mr. Hill... Again, such an outburst. I recommend, rather than exploding yet again across the Internet, you might check out the three chapters in which I discuss in some detail black and white female sprinters. On page 323 (updated in the paperback), women of West African ancestry have swept 85 percent of the 100 meters, 90 percent of the 200 meters and 65 percent of the 400 meter all time best times over the past decade WHEN you factor out performances by Chinese drug users and pre-fall of the Berlin Wall East Europeans. Even without the drug filters, West African blacks have swept 81 percent of all time 100 meter races, 64 percent of 200 meters, and 22 percent of 400 meters -- that is remarkable considering competing females of West African ancestry represent about 2-3 percent of the competing population, virtually all from Western countries since West African women are by and large not permitted to participate in elite sports. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jon Entine RuffRun 6178 Grey Rock Rd. Agoura Hills, CA 91301 (818) 991-9803 [FAX] 991-9804 http://www.jonentine.com
RE: t-and-f: No CC Please!
How about XC during the winter Oly Games ??? I think it would be great, snow, mud, etc !!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dave Carey Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 2:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: No CC Please! Tennis recently made it back (I don't remember whether it was '92 or '96) after having been gone for many decades. Dave Carey On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not much chance. Once an event is yanked from the Games, it rarely makes it back. There was Olympic XC in 1912, 1920 and 1924. And a team cross-country event in those years as well as 04.
