RE: t-and-f: Why on the street? - car tromping: Once a Runner
I don't know why you guys are so proud of your vandalism. Street punks always have a reason why they do what they do. It's still wrong. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of James R. Kaminsky Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:50 PM To: Randy Treadway; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Why on the street? - car tromping: Once a Runner I have a similar story from the early 60s at Ohio Wesleyan. We were coming in from an easy road run down a slight grade into town running on the road near the curb. We were cruising at a really good clip when I noticed a Cadillac at a side street about to turn right (we were coming from his right). His eyes were looking left since he knew there was no traffic coming in his lane from the right. Just as we got to him he decided to make his turn and that's when the fun began. I should have been a stunt man, because I hit the top of his long Cadillac hood on my butt, slammed by palms as hard as I could on the hood, leaving some neat impressions, and sliding off the other side continued on never missing a stride. He slammed on his breaks, cleaned the shit out of his pants and didn't move for the longest time. Mean while we just continued on like nothing was wrong. What a great feeling. Moral of story - look both ways before you pull out. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randy Treadway Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 10:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? - car tromping: Once a Runner Well I was in the group that it happened to, and did it, in 1976 in Troy, Alabama. I suspect that, given enough stories of drunk people swerving at runners, runners have picked up on the 'revenge' angle, and done it (running over a car or pickup trick) whenever they have the opportunity, as justifiable. After so many years, I don't remember who in the group I was running with came up with the idea and said hey, there's the guy- let's run right over his truck. In my memory, it was pretty much a spontaneous reaction when we saw him sitting at the stop light. So it's probable actually happened several (or many) times. Who knows- maybe Batchelor and Shorter were the first. Give them credit among distance runner lore for paving new ground, like Dick Fosbury. As a matter of fact, give it a name like the Fosbury Flop- we caught the guy at the next intersection and Batchelored him. You'll have to explain to young runners what getting Batchelored means. RT RT On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:38:22 -0400 Geoff Pietsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Parker told the story of Shorter and Bacheler in both non-fiction and fiction (Once a Runner) versions, as I recall. No spikes though, just running shoes - and red necks. That really happened, to the best of my recollection, and all the other versions have followed from it. Geoff From: ghill Reply-To: ghill To: track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:01:46 -0700 there's also a story, probably apocryphal, of Shorter and Bacheler running in spikes on a golf course and some guy pulled a car in front of them (not sure how the car was on the course, hence the apoc. nature), and supposedly they ran right over the hood and left a score of spike holes. From: nad wilson Reply-To: nad wilson Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:16:59 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? sounds like something slinger sanchez did. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and a few miles later on the outskirts of town, we came up to an intersection where the same guy was waiting for the light to change, and our entire group ran right up over the top of his pickup, the last guy stomping extra hard on his hood. _ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? - car tromping: Once a Runner
I wonder if this punk is proud of his vandalism. Regards, Martin Hamilton, preparing for the GP Eddy Merckx, suffered a broken right collarbone and facial injuries Sunday when a car driver opened his door just as the rider was passing. http://waymoresports.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=waymoresports/Layout/Article_Type1call_page=WM_Homecall_pageid=979619472127call_pagepath=Home/Homec=Articlecid=1030446570382 malmo wrote: I don't know why you guys are so proud of your vandalism. Street punks always have a reason why they do what they do. It's still wrong. malmo
Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? - car tromping: Once a Runner
Tyler Hamilton, preparing for the GP Eddy Merckx, suffered a broken right collarbone and facial injuries Sunday when a car driver opened his door just as the rider was passing. http://waymoresports.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=waymorespo rts/Layout/Article_Type1call_page=WM_Homecall_pageid=979619472127call_pag epath=Home/Homec=Articlecid=1030446570382 My favorite line from the article is the following typo: ``The doctors do not think that he will be permanently scared It's interesting that Tyler Hamilton probably has gotten in more crashes than any other professional cyclist in the last 2-3 years. He was 2nd in the Giro D'Italia this year despite breaking a few bones (in the shoulder area I think) during one of the first few stages. He crashed 3 times during the Giro and almost went down a 4th time during an individual time trial on a dry, smooth road (to be fair it was around a turn). The poor guy might consider applying his high VO2 max to running, racewalking, or X/C skiing - it's safer! - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? - car tromping: Once a Runner
I suppose there is some sort of point you are trying to articulate? That cyclists are maniacs on the road, reckless reprobates oblivious to their surroundings? Everyone knows that! I wonder if this punk is proud of his vandalism. Regards, Martin Hamilton, preparing for the GP Eddy Merckx, suffered a broken right collarbone and facial injuries Sunday when a car driver opened his door just as the rider was passing. http://waymoresports.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=waymoresports/Layout/Article_Type1call_page=WM_Homecall_pageid=979619472127call_pagepath=Home/Homec=Articlecid=1030446570382 malmo wrote: I don't know why you guys are so proud of your vandalism. Street punks always have a reason why they do what they do. It's still wrong. malmo
RE: t-and-f: Why on the street? - car tromping: Once a Runner
EXACTLY The smart thing to do would be to anticipate the fact that the vast majority of people making turns in the right turn on red zones do NOT do anything more than make a perfunctory glance to their right way before they reach the intersection. Is is the best method? Nope. But you could avoid a big hassle, improve general motor vehicle vs. runner relations, and avoid making an ass of yourself if you choose the high road. It isn't worth the possibility that somebody either pulls out a gun or converts their vehicle into a weapon so that a bunch of scrawny (and I used to be somewhat like that and now coach them) distance runners can prove their manhood in order to later impress their peers with their tales of courage. This fact may stagger the imagination, but the roads were built for VEHICLES-we as runners need to be cordial, respectful, and defensive GUESTS. You just can't win a fight against a multi ton vehicle. My athletes have always had the highest (or close it) GPA's on campus, so I tell them to act like it when out on the roads. It amazes me when stupidity is glorified. Sorry to be on the soap box, but I cringed when I watched whichever Prefontaine movie showed Steve running over a car in Eugene (ok, I'll admit that both movies were pretty bad) because you just know that some kids are going to try it. But, just think about the first time that it happens and somebody stomps the pedal while they're on the car or whips out that gun or runs them down afterward. That wouldn't be tragic, it would be pathetic. Tirade over: For a great FICTIONAL account of a runner's payback, check out Slinger Sanchez's 10 mile or so run to revenge sometime in Bruce Glikin's book. (That was an unsolicited plug btw).. --- malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know why you guys are so proud of your vandalism. Street punks always have a reason why they do what they do. It's still wrong. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of James R. Kaminsky Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:50 PM To: Randy Treadway; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Why on the street? - car tromping: Once a Runner I have a similar story from the early 60s at Ohio Wesleyan. We were coming in from an easy road run down a slight grade into town running on the road near the curb. We were cruising at a really good clip when I noticed a Cadillac at a side street about to turn right (we were coming from his right). His eyes were looking left since he knew there was no traffic coming in his lane from the right. Just as we got to him he decided to make his turn and that's when the fun began. I should have been a stunt man, because I hit the top of his long Cadillac hood on my butt, slammed by palms as hard as I could on the hood, leaving some neat impressions, and sliding off the other side continued on never missing a stride. He slammed on his breaks, cleaned the shit out of his pants and didn't move for the longest time. Mean while we just continued on like nothing was wrong. What a great feeling. Moral of story - look both ways before you pull out. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randy Treadway Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 10:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? - car tromping: Once a Runner Well I was in the group that it happened to, and did it, in 1976 in Troy, Alabama. I suspect that, given enough stories of drunk people swerving at runners, runners have picked up on the 'revenge' angle, and done it (running over a car or pickup trick) whenever they have the opportunity, as justifiable. After so many years, I don't remember who in the group I was running with came up with the idea and said hey, there's the guy- let's run right over his truck. In my memory, it was pretty much a spontaneous reaction when we saw him sitting at the stop light. So it's probable actually happened several (or many) times. Who knows- maybe Batchelor and Shorter were the first. Give them credit among distance runner lore for paving new ground, like Dick Fosbury. As a matter of fact, give it a name like the Fosbury Flop- we caught the guy at the next intersection and Batchelored him. You'll have to explain to young runners what getting Batchelored means. RT RT On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:38:22 -0400 Geoff Pietsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Parker told the story of Shorter and Bacheler in both non-fiction and fiction (Once a Runner) versions, as I recall. No spikes though, just running shoes - and red necks. That really happened, to the best of my recollection, and all the other versions have followed from it. Geoff From: ghill Reply-To: ghill To: track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:01:46 -0700 there's also a story,
Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? - car tromping: Once a Runner
John Parker told the story of Shorter and Bacheler in both non-fiction and fiction (Once a Runner) versions, as I recall. No spikes though, just running shoes - and red necks. That really happened, to the best of my recollection, and all the other versions have followed from it. Geoff From: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:01:46 -0700 there's also a story, probably apocryphal, of Shorter and Bacheler running in spikes on a golf course and some guy pulled a car in front of them (not sure how the car was on the course, hence the apoc. nature), and supposedly they ran right over the hood and left a score of spike holes. From: nad wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: nad wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:16:59 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? sounds like something slinger sanchez did. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and a few miles later on the outskirts of town, we came up to an intersection where the same guy was waiting for the light to change, and our entire group ran right up over the top of his pickup, the last guy stomping extra hard on his hood. _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? - car tromping: Once a Runner
Well I was in the group that it happened to, and did it, in 1976 in Troy, Alabama. I suspect that, given enough stories of drunk people swerving at runners, runners have picked up on the 'revenge' angle, and done it (running over a car or pickup trick) whenever they have the opportunity, as justifiable. After so many years, I don't remember who in the group I was running with came up with the idea and said hey, there's the guy- let's run right over his truck. In my memory, it was pretty much a spontaneous reaction when we saw him sitting at the stop light. So it's probable actually happened several (or many) times. Who knows- maybe Batchelor and Shorter were the first. Give them credit among distance runner lore for paving new ground, like Dick Fosbury. As a matter of fact, give it a name like the Fosbury Flop- we caught the guy at the next intersection and Batchelored him. You'll have to explain to young runners what getting Batchelored means. RT RT On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:38:22 -0400 Geoff Pietsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Parker told the story of Shorter and Bacheler in both non-fiction and fiction (Once a Runner) versions, as I recall. No spikes though, just running shoes - and red necks. That really happened, to the best of my recollection, and all the other versions have followed from it. Geoff From: ghill Reply-To: ghill To: track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:01:46 -0700 there's also a story, probably apocryphal, of Shorter and Bacheler running in spikes on a golf course and some guy pulled a car in front of them (not sure how the car was on the course, hence the apoc. nature), and supposedly they ran right over the hood and left a score of spike holes. From: nad wilson Reply-To: nad wilson Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:16:59 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? sounds like something slinger sanchez did. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and a few miles later on the outskirts of town, we came up to an intersection where the same guy was waiting for the light to change, and our entire group ran right up over the top of his pickup, the last guy stomping extra hard on his hood. _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
RE: t-and-f: Why on the street? - car tromping: Once a Runner
I have a similar story from the early 60s at Ohio Wesleyan. We were coming in from an easy road run down a slight grade into town running on the road near the curb. We were cruising at a really good clip when I noticed a Cadillac at a side street about to turn right (we were coming from his right). His eyes were looking left since he knew there was no traffic coming in his lane from the right. Just as we got to him he decided to make his turn and that's when the fun began. I should have been a stunt man, because I hit the top of his long Cadillac hood on my butt, slammed by palms as hard as I could on the hood, leaving some neat impressions, and sliding off the other side continued on never missing a stride. He slammed on his breaks, cleaned the shit out of his pants and didn't move for the longest time. Mean while we just continued on like nothing was wrong. What a great feeling. Moral of story - look both ways before you pull out. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randy Treadway Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 10:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? - car tromping: Once a Runner Well I was in the group that it happened to, and did it, in 1976 in Troy, Alabama. I suspect that, given enough stories of drunk people swerving at runners, runners have picked up on the 'revenge' angle, and done it (running over a car or pickup trick) whenever they have the opportunity, as justifiable. After so many years, I don't remember who in the group I was running with came up with the idea and said hey, there's the guy- let's run right over his truck. In my memory, it was pretty much a spontaneous reaction when we saw him sitting at the stop light. So it's probable actually happened several (or many) times. Who knows- maybe Batchelor and Shorter were the first. Give them credit among distance runner lore for paving new ground, like Dick Fosbury. As a matter of fact, give it a name like the Fosbury Flop- we caught the guy at the next intersection and Batchelored him. You'll have to explain to young runners what getting Batchelored means. RT RT On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:38:22 -0400 Geoff Pietsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Parker told the story of Shorter and Bacheler in both non-fiction and fiction (Once a Runner) versions, as I recall. No spikes though, just running shoes - and red necks. That really happened, to the best of my recollection, and all the other versions have followed from it. Geoff From: ghill Reply-To: ghill To: track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:01:46 -0700 there's also a story, probably apocryphal, of Shorter and Bacheler running in spikes on a golf course and some guy pulled a car in front of them (not sure how the car was on the course, hence the apoc. nature), and supposedly they ran right over the hood and left a score of spike holes. From: nad wilson Reply-To: nad wilson Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:16:59 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Why on the street? sounds like something slinger sanchez did. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and a few miles later on the outskirts of town, we came up to an intersection where the same guy was waiting for the light to change, and our entire group ran right up over the top of his pickup, the last guy stomping extra hard on his hood. _ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
