Re: t-and-f: Pseudo-Scientific Facts for Suzy

2000-10-05 Thread Kurt Bray

Let's see, Suzy lost because:

1.  Complete depletion of glycogen
2.  Dehydration
3.  Heart rate soared to unspecified record levels
4.  Body temperature soared to 105 or 106 degrees
5.  Panic
6.  Traumatic shock
7.  Vascular collapse
8.  Lack of oxygen

Anything else?  A massive heart attack maybe?  A sudden case of fulminant 
cancer?  One of her legs fall off?  Maybe her central nervous system went 
into total protective mode and ordered immediate and permanent paraplegia.

But not to worry.  Suzy's not in any kind of real trouble.  Her newly 
vigilant central nervous system has it under control and will prevent her 
from ever running very fast again.

I don't know who Jim Hunt is, but he's wasting his time being a running 
coach.  He should be teaching at a major medical school.  Anyone who can 
diagnose no fewer than eight ailments merely from watching someone fall down 
is blessed with amazing medical powers.

Kurt Bray


This was passed on to me from Coach Jim Hunt, All American Long Distance
Running Coach --


From "Dr. Hunt!"  Bill, you asked for it.  Suzy Favor Hamilton collapsed in
the finals of the Olympic 1500 due to complete glycogen depletion.
 Suzy does not possess the basic speed that some of the other 
competitors
possess.  In order to run as fast as she was attempting to do, she had to 
run
at a
velocity that was too high of a percentage of her basic performance speed 
for
too long.  The glycogen demanded by her muscles to do the work that the 
brain
was commanding of them was completely depleted.
 As to the dehydration effect, it takes 4 lb. of water to produce 1 lb. 
of
glycogen.  Oxygen must mix with glycogen in order to produce energy.
Glycogen is stored in the liver, muscle cells and blood stream and must
receive oxygen in the amount
demanded by the working muscles to continue to work at a desired level.
 When stored glycogen is depleted, the body will attempt to make more.  
The
process of making glycogen requires a large quantity of water which would
lead to further dehydration.
 In addition to the depletion of fluid, her body could not deliver
sufficient oxygen to produce the muscular contractions that her central
nervous system was commanding.  Suzy could not extract enough oxygen from 
the
air and deliver it to the working muscles in the amount necessary to be 
able
to continue with the high rate of velocity that she needed to run.
 In Suzy's attempt to run for 4:00 at a velocity of 6.25 meters per
second, complicated by the lack of body fluids, her heart rate soared to a
new maximum causing her body temperature to rise to possibly as high as 105
degrees-106 degrees.  Her body's cooling system was not prepared to 
dissipate
this much heat.  This high temperature coupled with the panic of seeing her
competitors fly by her caused her body to go into traumatic shock.  
Traumatic
shock causes the large arteries to expand, literally robbing the working
muscles and the brain of oxygen carrying blood.
 When traumatic shock occurs, the mechanisms causes the body to go into 
a
prone position in an attempt to restore oxygen to the brain.  Once in a 
prone
position, enough oxygen returned to her brain for her to muster the energy 
to
stand up.
 Her tremendous desire to win had programmed her body to move forward 
to
the finish line.  When Suzy reached the finish line the energy again was
completely depleted.
 At this point, her body's protective mechanisms caused her to collapse
again into a prone position.  After several minutes of intravenous fluids,
electrolyte restoration she was able to quietly leave through the back door
without any further assistance.
 This traumatic experience will most likely make it extremely difficult
for Suzy
to ever push her body hard enough again to get close to world record time.
Her central nervous system will never forget the torture that her body went
through and the protective organisms of her body will resist any attempt to
duplicate this act in the future.
 Alberto Salazar was an exceptionally determined athlete who could
withstand severe pain for long periods of time.  He was able to force his
body to work to near death in two separate marathons before his body said 
"no
more, Al."
 Good luck Suzy.  We all appreciate what you have done for track and 
field.

"makes sense to me!"

Bill "maddog" Scobey

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Re: t-and-f: Pseudo-Scientific Facts for Suzy

2000-10-05 Thread mike fanelli

WHOA Kurt

While I may not be in complete agreement with Jim Hunt's take on the Suzy
factor, please know that Jim is one of the most reputable distance coaches
ever in the USA...In his many years as head coach at Humboldt State
University and also at UC Davis, Jim has been responsible for the fitness of
many many a champion...including 1988 Olympic Trials winner Mark Conover
(remember, Danny Grimes, Suzy Jones, Mark Covert, Gary Tuttle...)

At the track trials in Sacto this past summer we staged a coach's clinic
with the likes of Hunt, Frank Gagliano, Joe Vigil, Bob Sevene, Lance Harter
and Irv Ray...quite an impressive bunch...some of the absolute BEST
commentary from that clinic came from Jim...before we totally dismiss Jim's
theory as to the demise of Suzy, let's make sure that we understand that he
is NOT not some old dude smoking crack on a street corner in Biloxi...he
truly "gets" exercise phys and it's practical application to the middle and
long distance running athlete.

best always,

Mike Fanelli (who in his days as  an "athlete" got whupped on pretty badly
by Hunt's boys)



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 Let's see, Suzy lost because:

 1.  Complete depletion of glycogen
 2.  Dehydration
 3.  Heart rate soared to unspecified record levels
 4.  Body temperature soared to 105 or 106 degrees
 5.  Panic
 6.  Traumatic shock
 7.  Vascular collapse
 8.  Lack of oxygen

 Anything else?  A massive heart attack maybe?  A sudden case of fulminant
 cancer?  One of her legs fall off?  Maybe her central nervous system went
 into total protective mode and ordered immediate and permanent paraplegia.

 But not to worry.  Suzy's not in any kind of real trouble.  Her newly
 vigilant central nervous system has it under control and will prevent her
 from ever running very fast again.

 I don't know who Jim Hunt is, but he's wasting his time being a running
 coach.  He should be teaching at a major medical school.  Anyone who can
 diagnose no fewer than eight ailments merely from watching someone fall
down
 is blessed with amazing medical powers.

 Kurt Bray


 This was passed on to me from Coach Jim Hunt, All American Long Distance
 Running Coach --
 
 
 From "Dr. Hunt!"  Bill, you asked for it.  Suzy Favor Hamilton collapsed
in
 the finals of the Olympic 1500 due to complete glycogen depletion.
  Suzy does not possess the basic speed that some of the other
 competitors
 possess.  In order to run as fast as she was attempting to do, she had to
 run
 at a
 velocity that was too high of a percentage of her basic performance speed
 for
 too long.  The glycogen demanded by her muscles to do the work that the
 brain
 was commanding of them was completely depleted.
  As to the dehydration effect, it takes 4 lb. of water to produce 1
lb.
 of
 glycogen.  Oxygen must mix with glycogen in order to produce energy.
 Glycogen is stored in the liver, muscle cells and blood stream and must
 receive oxygen in the amount
 demanded by the working muscles to continue to work at a desired level.
  When stored glycogen is depleted, the body will attempt to make
more.
 The
 process of making glycogen requires a large quantity of water which would
 lead to further dehydration.
  In addition to the depletion of fluid, her body could not deliver
 sufficient oxygen to produce the muscular contractions that her central
 nervous system was commanding.  Suzy could not extract enough oxygen from
 the
 air and deliver it to the working muscles in the amount necessary to be
 able
 to continue with the high rate of velocity that she needed to run.
  In Suzy's attempt to run for 4:00 at a velocity of 6.25 meters per
 second, complicated by the lack of body fluids, her heart rate soared to
a
 new maximum causing her body temperature to rise to possibly as high as
105
 degrees-106 degrees.  Her body's cooling system was not prepared to
 dissipate
 this much heat.  This high temperature coupled with the panic of seeing
her
 competitors fly by her caused her body to go into traumatic shock.
 Traumatic
 shock causes the large arteries to expand, literally robbing the working
 muscles and the brain of oxygen carrying blood.
  When traumatic shock occurs, the mechanisms causes the body to go
into
 a
 prone position in an attempt to restore oxygen to the brain.  Once in a
 prone
 position, enough oxygen returned to her brain for her to muster the
energy
 to
 stand up.
  Her tremendous desire to win had programmed her body to move forward
 to
 the finish line.  When Suzy reached the finish line the energy again was
 completely depleted.
  At this point, her body's protective mechanisms caused her to
collapse
 again into a prone position.  After several minutes of intravenous
fluids,
 electrolyte restoration she was

Re: t-and-f: Pseudo-Scientific Facts for Suzy

2000-10-05 Thread R.T.

Let's see, Suzy lost because:

1.  Complete depletion of glycogen
2.  Dehydration
3.  Heart rate soared to unspecified record levels
4.  Body temperature soared to 105 or 106 degrees
5.  Panic
6.  Traumatic shock
7.  Vascular collapse
8.  Lack of oxygen

Looks like the course syllabus for Paramedic 101.
Suzy is smart. Just losing is one thing.
But with all of this stuff, she can be the star
of every NBC up-close-and-personal for the next
four years!
Of course I would suggest adding crutches, a neck
brace, and apply peel-off sticker tatoos that look
like surgery stitches onto both knees.
In fact in the World Championships next year
if she came out of the tunnel and struggled to the
1500 starting line on crutches, then laid the
crutches to the side and 'painfully struggled' to
won the race in 3:58, collapsing in pain as she
crossed the line, the NBC producer in the truck
would go berserk with glee.

RT