Re: t-and-f: Hurdle heights
This was the point I was trying to make after Privolova won in sydney, that hurdling technique was secondary to spped, which seems inconsistent with the idea of even having the hurdles to clear. At the time i was basically told not to take credit away from Privolova's effort, which i wasn't trying to do. I only wnated to point out that it seemed "easier" for the women to hurdle than the men, relatively speaking!! Gary Liguori Formerly from Wyoming Go Pokes!! --- "Bettwy, Bob" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Garry talked about changing the distance between the hurdles (Men's 110HH). Tom Murrell talked about "free floating" in the 4x100 meter relay. How about "free floating" hurdle placements. Each hurdler must run 10 hurdles within 110 meters and comes to meet management with the specs on how far apart he wants them. They could then be "ergonomically"(?) placed!!! Bob Bettwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director - Program Control Washington Group SRS Technologies (703) 351-7266 __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
t-and-f: Hurdle heights
The women's hurdles need to be raised because as the heights currently stands, very little hurdling is required of the women. This is very prominent in the 400ih. As it stands currently in the short hurdles the men are required to clear a hurdle 122% higher than their leg length, and the women 100%in the long hurdles it is 103% to 91%. In the latter that means the women are already higher than the hurdles, and it shows when you watch tape of the races. Consistently, you will see the trail leg come under the women because they can get away with that. If the hurdles were raised 3 inches, you would see the hurdle height demand change to 115% for the short race, and 101% for the long race. The important element in the latter is that the difference from sprint stride rise to hurdle height rise (the difference needed to clear the hurdle) does NOT change. In other words, the women already jump high enough to clear a higher hurdle right now. For the integrity of the event the hurdle should be raised. Contrary to popular thought I believe you will see an improvement in times and race quality. DGS Faith is a road seldom traveled
Re: t-and-f: Hurdle heights
In a message dated Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:39:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The women's hurdles need to be raised because as the heights currently stands, very little hurdling is required of the women. This is very prominent in the 400ih. As it stands currently in the short hurdles the men are required to clear a hurdle 122% higher than their leg length, and the women 100%in the long hurdles it is 103% to 91%. In the latter that means the women are already higher than the hurdles, and it shows when you watch tape of the races. Consistently, you will see the trail leg come under the women because they can get away with that. If the hurdles were raised 3 inches, you would see the hurdle height demand change to 115% for the short race, and 101% for the long race. The important element in the latter is that the difference from sprint stride rise to hurdle height rise (the difference needed to clear the hurdle) does NOT change. In other words, the women already jump high enough to clear a higher hurdle right now. For the integrity of the event the hurdle should be raised. Contrary to popular thought I believe you will see an improvement in times and race quality. Nice numbers! I've always thought that there was also a concomitant need for greater distance between the hurdles as well (also for the men, but that's another story) because of the way so many people have to chop their strides. If they're changing one parameter, they should change both, but if the distance between gets greater, would that mean that the height increase should be less? gh
Re: t-and-f: Hurdle heights
Garry talked about changing the distance between the hurdles (Men's 110HH). Tom Murrell talked about "free floating" in the 4x100 meter relay. How about "free floating" hurdle placements. Each hurdler must run 10 hurdles within 110 meters and comes to meet management with the specs on how far apart he wants them. They could then be "ergonomically"(?) placed!!! Bob Bettwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director - Program Control Washington Group SRS Technologies (703) 351-7266
Re: t-and-f: Hurdle heights
gh wrote: Nice numbers! I've always thought that there was also a concomitant need for greater distance between the hurdles as well (also for the men, but that's another story) because of the way so many people have to chop their strides. If they're changing one parameter, they should change both, but if the distance between gets greater, would that mean that the height increase should be less? I tend to think that one of the reason that women's 100m hurdlers chop their strides is because the hurdles are so low. Raising the height of the hurdles might clear up part of the stride chopping problem for the women. As DGS pointed out, they are currently a lot lower than the average leg length. I'm also not convinced that the women's 400m hurdles need to be raised unless the men's are raised as well, although I will say that watching an elite women's 400m race the hurdles APPEAR to be proportionally lower than the men's. - ed Parrot
RE: t-and-f: Hurdle heights
Idon't know jack about hurdling ... at least about hurdling those hurdles that fall down when you hit them But do all the elite hurdlers have the same leg length? Men and women? Is that why they decided to become sprint hurdlers ... because their legs were exactly 122% and 100% of the height of the hurdle? You are pretty hard on me all the time ... but come on Darrell, if you are going to preach about something that resembles coaching or science it should make sense and be accurate. -Brian (who "is blind", "has a tainted view" and "ALWAYS operates from the negative") -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 12:22 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: t-and-f: Hurdle heights The women's hurdles need to be raised because as the heights currently stands, very little hurdling is required of the women. This is very prominent in the 400ih. As it stands currently in the short hurdles the men are required to clear a hurdle 122% higher than their leg length, and the women 100%in the long hurdles it is 103% to 91%. In the latter that means the women are already higher than the hurdles, and it shows when you watch tape of the races. Consistently, you will see the trail leg come under the women because they can get away with that. If the hurdles were raised 3 inches, you would see the hurdle height demand change to 115% for the short race, and 101% for the long race. The important element in the latter is that the difference from sprint stride rise to hurdle height rise (the difference needed to clear the hurdle) does NOT change. In other words, the women already jump high enough to clear a higher hurdle right now. For the integrity of the event the hurdle should be raised. Contrary to popular thought I believe you will see an improvement in times and race quality. DGS Faith is a road seldom traveled
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Although the discussion started out with IAAF rules, I'd like to make some observations about hurdle height and spacing for young athletes. Most 12-14 year old boys cannot hurdle over 39" barriers. But once a boy can deal with the hurdle height, 3 stepping is no problem because the hurdles are relatively close together. The kids who can run the 110's in 9th grade are tall kids. When they mature, they will probably be above the optimum height for sprint hurdling. The 2 fastest hurdlers of the past decade are about 5'10" tall. The situation is different with girls. I have a couple of 7th graders who can hurdle 33" barriers, but they can't even 4 step. My good girl hurdlers only 3 step well when they are in 11th or 12th grade. For developing young hurdlers, I'd like to see lower hurdles for the boys and closer spacing for the girls. Maybe in states with a junior high track program, young kids can have different hurdle specifications. But here in South Carolina, middle school kids run with high school teams and once size fits all. Ed Prytherch.
Re: t-and-f: Hurdle heights
In a message dated 03/14/2001 4:07:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian (who "is blind", "has a tainted view" and "ALWAYS operates from the negative") While I was raised to take the high ground, I will not in this case. I will play your childish game Brian. Read my previous post, and you will see the source of the information I put forth. I have said it before and I will say it again, this is what I do. There are those things that I have an opinion on and there are those things that you cannot prove otherwise. You have guess work, hyperbole, name calling, and disdain, I have knowledge, a working knowledge of the very topic of this list. Every day I go to the track and make magic happen. I get to watch it evolve, and watch the light come on the athletes eyes. You watch TV, and read news reports, and everytime you see HSI, or an affiliated athlete, know that I am proud. Know that when you see a HSI hurdler succeed, I was there when he was crying, and bleeding. I will be there ever afternoon, remembering that what I do exceeds Brian McEwen's imagination. Next time you decide to come at me Brian, and offend me, have an inkling of what you are talking about. Now if you have question to ask, please, ask away... Darrell Smith HSI Faith is a road seldom traveled
