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aka, what happens when the public gets involved: Today's local paper had a "nasty" article about the choosing of baseball's all-time 10 greatest moments by the fans. Obviously that's an exercise in futility, and one with a lot of subjectivity involved. The most telling point in the article was that in a sport more than 100 years old, 5 of the 10 moments happened in the last 17 years. How does this relate to track's HOF (my favorite rant at the moment)? I wrote a column on the subject for next month's issue of T&FN and in it I noted that while all four of the people who will be inducted this year had bona fide credentials for so going, of the 11 people who were nominated, the 4 who got in came from the group of the 5 youngest. If you're incapable of voting for anything that happened before your time, then don't vote. gh
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i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't even belong in the top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot Heard Round the World, apparently merely dates me (even though I was too young to have known about it when it occurred). What are some nominees for Top Moments of the Century in T&F? A few possibilities (in no particular order): Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo Beamon's LJ in Mexico City FloJo's 10.49 Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang Wilma Rudolph in Rome Jesse Owens in Berlin 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia ... What else? JP aka, what happens when the public gets involved: Today's local paper had a "nasty" article about the choosing of baseball's all-time 10 greatest moments by the fans. Obviously that's an exercise in futility, and one with a lot of subjectivity involved. The most telling point in the article was that in a sport more than 100 years old, 5 of the 10 moments happened in the last 17 years. How does this relate to track's HOF (my favorite rant at the moment)? I wrote a column on the subject for next month's issue of T&FN and in it I noted that while all four of the people who will be inducted this year had bona fide credentials for so going, of the 11 people who were nominated, the 4 who got in came from the group of the 5 youngest. If you're incapable of voting for anything that happened before your time, then don't vote. gh
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Message text written by Jack Pfeifer >What else?< The Tokyo '91 long jump. Perhaps the greatest field event competition ever. And not just the WR, but the whole competition. Just amazing.
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Let me add two memorable races to the list. The men's 400mH at the Rome World Championships the women's 100mH at the US Olympic Trials in 1984. The latter was the closest four-person finish I've ever seen. And that obviously mattered, because only the top three could make the team. In the solo race department, I'll nominate Filbert Bayi's 3:51.0 World Record mile in Kingston in 1975. I don't believe anyone has ever run a faster mile without a rabbit to this day. And although I've seen other world records, before and since, I don't know if any ever got me quite as excited. (Well, maybe 19.32 did, but in a different way.) Finally, as a long-time fan of indoor track, I have to mention the unforgettable 600y race in which Martin McGrady beat Lee Evens to win the 1970 US National Indoor Championships. McGrady set a world indoor best of 1:07.6 that lasted for more tan two decades. Evans was the reignint 400m Olympic champion, but he was no match for McGrady, whose mastery of the boards was extraordinary. Bob H
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How about Bannister breaking the 4 minute mile?
1982 Boston Marathon: Salazar vs. Beardsley
Carl Lewis' 4 gold medals at the '84 Olympics
Or Carl Lewis winning 4 consecutive gold medals in the long jump ('84, '88,
'92, '96)
Mary Decker getting tripped by Zola Budd in the '84 Olympics (not a great
moment, but certainly memorable).
-Jeff
-Original Message-
From: Jack Pfeifer [mailto:pfeiferj@;nytimes.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:24
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>i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked
>to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't even belong in the
>top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot Heard Round the
>World, apparently merely dates me (even though I was too young to
>have known about it when it occurred). What are some nominees for
>Top Moments of the Century in T&F? A few possibilities (in no
>particular order):
Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo
Beamon's LJ in Mexico City
FloJo's 10.49
Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang
Wilma Rudolph in Rome
Jesse Owens in Berlin
1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US
Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k
US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis
Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72
Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo
Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia
...
What else?
JP
>aka, what happens when the public gets involved:
>
>Today's local paper had a "nasty" article about the choosing of
>baseball's all-time 10 greatest moments by the fans. Obviously that's
>an exercise in futility, and one with a lot of subjectivity involved.
>The most telling point in the article was that in a sport more than 100
>years old, 5 of the 10 moments happened in the last 17 years.
>
>How does this relate to track's HOF (my favorite rant at the moment)? I
>wrote a column on the subject for next month's issue of T&FN and in it
>I noted that while all four of the people who will be inducted this
>year had bona fide credentials for so going, of the 11 people who were
>nominated, the 4 who got in came from the group of the 5 youngest.
>
>If you're incapable of voting for anything that happened before your
>time, then don't vote.
>
>gh
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How about Carl vs. Ben in 87'? That makes my top 10. Barto --- Jack Pfeifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal > ripken but was shocked > >to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't > even belong in the > >top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot > Heard Round the > >World, apparently merely dates me (even though I > was too young to > >have known about it when it occurred). What are > some nominees for > >Top Moments of the Century in T&F? A few > possibilities (in no > >particular order): > > Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo > Beamon's LJ in Mexico City > FloJo's 10.49 > Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang > Wilma Rudolph in Rome > Jesse Owens in Berlin > 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US > Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k > US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile > crisis > Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 > Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo > Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia > ... > What else? > JP > > > > > > > >aka, what happens when the public gets involved: > > > >Today's local paper had a "nasty" article about the > choosing of baseball's > >all-time 10 greatest moments by the fans. Obviously > that's an exercise in > >futility, and one with a lot of subjectivity > involved. The most telling > >point in the article was that in a sport more than > 100 years old, 5 of the > >10 moments happened in the last 17 years. > > > >How does this relate to track's HOF (my favorite > rant at the moment)? I > >wrote a column on the subject for next month's > issue of T&FN and in it I > >noted that while all four of the people who will be > inducted this year had > >bona fide credentials for so going, of the 11 > people who were nominated, the > >4 who got in came from the group of the 5 youngest. > > > >If you're incapable of voting for anything that > happened before your time, > >then don't vote. > > > >gh > __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
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At 12:23 PM 10/25/2002 -0400, Jack Pfeifer wrote: i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't even belong in the top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot Heard Round the World, apparently merely dates me (even though I was too young to have known about it when it occurred). What are some nominees for Top Moments of the Century in T&F? A few possibilities (in no particular order): Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo Beamon's LJ in Mexico City FloJo's 10.49 Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang Wilma Rudolph in Rome Jesse Owens in Berlin 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia ... What else? JP Zatopek's Olympic distance triple in 1952 Bill Bahnfleth
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In terms of the most memorable for me: -both the Lewis-Powell Long Jump and the whole 100m from 1991 -2002 London marathon - KK, Geb, Tergat There are also two other performances that stick in my mind, although they don't deserve "all-time" recognition - one of them isn't even a victory: -Ngugi's 5K gold in Seoul -Aouita's bronze at 800m in Seoul I am too young to remember anything before about 1985, but the above are the ones from my era that I remember the most. - Ed Parrot - Original Message - From: "Jack Pfeifer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:23 AM Subject: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame > >i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked > >to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't even belong in the > >top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot Heard Round the > >World, apparently merely dates me (even though I was too young to > >have known about it when it occurred). What are some nominees for > >Top Moments of the Century in T&F? A few possibilities (in no > >particular order): > > Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo > Beamon's LJ in Mexico City > FloJo's 10.49 > Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang > Wilma Rudolph in Rome > Jesse Owens in Berlin > 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US > Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k > US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis > Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 > Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo > Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia > ... > What else? > JP > > > > > > > >aka, what happens when the public gets involved: > > > >Today's local paper had a "nasty" article about the choosing of baseball's > >all-time 10 greatest moments by the fans. Obviously that's an exercise in > >futility, and one with a lot of subjectivity involved. The most telling > >point in the article was that in a sport more than 100 years old, 5 of the > >10 moments happened in the last 17 years. > > > >How does this relate to track's HOF (my favorite rant at the moment)? I > >wrote a column on the subject for next month's issue of T&FN and in it I > >noted that while all four of the people who will be inducted this year had > >bona fide credentials for so going, of the 11 people who were nominated, the > >4 who got in came from the group of the 5 youngest. > > > >If you're incapable of voting for anything that happened before your time, > >then don't vote. > > > >gh > >
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Some ageism here but Eamonn's face in 83(pre marathon career) on the home stretch and Joannie winning shortly after her knee surgery, Regards, Martin Ed and Dana Parrot wrote: > In terms of the most memorable for me: > -both the Lewis-Powell Long Jump and the whole 100m from 1991 > -2002 London marathon - KK, Geb, Tergat > > There are also two other performances that stick in my mind, although they > don't deserve "all-time" recognition - one of them isn't even a victory: > -Ngugi's 5K gold in Seoul > -Aouita's bronze at 800m in Seoul > > I am too young to remember anything before about 1985, but the above are the > ones from my era that I remember the most. > > - Ed Parrot > > - Original Message - > From: "Jack Pfeifer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:23 AM > Subject: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame > > > >i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked > > >to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't even belong in the > > >top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot Heard Round the > > >World, apparently merely dates me (even though I was too young to > > >have known about it when it occurred). What are some nominees for > > >Top Moments of the Century in T&F? A few possibilities (in no > > >particular order): > > > > Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo > > Beamon's LJ in Mexico City > > FloJo's 10.49 > > Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang > > Wilma Rudolph in Rome > > Jesse Owens in Berlin > > 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US > > Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k > > US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis > > Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 > > Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo > > Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia > > ... > > What else? > > JP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >aka, what happens when the public gets involved: > > > > > >Today's local paper had a "nasty" article about the choosing of > baseball's > > >all-time 10 greatest moments by the fans. Obviously that's an exercise in > > >futility, and one with a lot of subjectivity involved. The most telling > > >point in the article was that in a sport more than 100 years old, 5 of > the > > >10 moments happened in the last 17 years. > > > > > >How does this relate to track's HOF (my favorite rant at the moment)? I > > >wrote a column on the subject for next month's issue of T&FN and in it I > > >noted that while all four of the people who will be inducted this year > had > > >bona fide credentials for so going, of the 11 people who were nominated, > the > > >4 who got in came from the group of the 5 youngest. > > > > > >If you're incapable of voting for anything that happened before your > time, > > >then don't vote. > > > > > >gh > > > >
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> From: Jack Pfeifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Jack Pfeifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:23:53 -0400 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame > >> i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked >> to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't even belong in the >> top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot Heard Round the >> World, apparently merely dates me (even though I was too young to >> have known about it when it occurred). Thomson '51 has been overwhelming choice of all the baseball fans I've talked to (and is what SF paper defined as best ever as well). I'd go w/ Yogi Berra jumping into Don Larsen's arms myself, even as much of a Yankee hater as I am. gh
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Beamonesque has to take the cake. Flojo's 10.49 is not anywhere to be found on any list. Haye's anchor is big, but so is 19.32, but so are Warnerdam, Zatopek, Owens, Bubka, but for pure adreneline, nothing tops Wottle running down Arzanov in cold war 1972. > Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo > Beamon's LJ in Mexico City > FloJo's 10.49 > Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang > Wilma Rudolph in Rome > Jesse Owens in Berlin > 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US > Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k > US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis > Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 > Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo > Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia > ... > What else? > JP > > > > > > > >aka, what happens when the public gets involved: > > > >Today's local paper had a "nasty" article about the choosing of baseball's > >all-time 10 greatest moments by the fans. Obviously that's an exercise in > >futility, and one with a lot of subjectivity involved. The most telling > >point in the article was that in a sport more than 100 years old, 5 of the > >10 moments happened in the last 17 years. > > > >How does this relate to track's HOF (my favorite rant at the moment)? I > >wrote a column on the subject for next month's issue of T&FN and in it I > >noted that while all four of the people who will be inducted this year had > >bona fide credentials for so going, of the 11 people who were nominated, the > >4 who got in came from the group of the 5 youngest. > > > >If you're incapable of voting for anything that happened before your time, > >then don't vote. > > > >gh >
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> From: Jack Pfeifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Jack Pfeifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:23:53 -0400 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame > > What are some nominees for >> Top Moments of the Century in T&F? A few possibilities (in no >> particular order): > > Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo > Beamon's LJ in Mexico City > FloJo's 10.49 > Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang > Wilma Rudolph in Rome > Jesse Owens in Berlin > 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US > Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k > US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis > Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 > Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo > Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia>> Bannister probably has to be No. 1. Jesse Owens 6-WR hour Nurmi's '24 Oly 15/5 double in a little more than an hour Zatopek's triple in '52 Dorando Pietri's DQ Jim Peters gruesome marathon finish in the '54 BCG (although Schiess-Andersen took some of the "uniqueness" off that with her '84 stagger) Any post-meet party Wilt ever went to :-) Gh
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I'd throw in the 10K @ Munich and the the W3K @ Helsinki. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame > Beamonesque has to take the cake. Flojo's 10.49 is not > anywhere to be found on any list. Haye's anchor is big, > but so is 19.32, but so are Warnerdam, Zatopek, Owens, > Bubka, but for pure adreneline, nothing tops Wottle > running down Arzanov in cold war 1972. > > Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo > > Beamon's LJ in Mexico City > > FloJo's 10.49 > > Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang > > Wilma Rudolph in Rome > > Jesse Owens in Berlin > > 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US > > Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k > > US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis > > Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 > > Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo > > Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia > > ... > > What else? > > JP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >aka, what happens when the public gets involved: > > > > > >Today's local paper had a "nasty" article about the choosing of baseball's > > >all-time 10 greatest moments by the fans. Obviously that's an exercise in > > >futility, and one with a lot of subjectivity involved. The most telling > > >point in the article was that in a sport more than 100 years old, 5 of the > > >10 moments happened in the last 17 years. > > > > > >How does this relate to track's HOF (my favorite rant at the moment)? I > > >wrote a column on the subject for next month's issue of T&FN and in it I > > >noted that while all four of the people who will be inducted this year had > > >bona fide credentials for so going, of the 11 people who were nominated, the > > >4 who got in came from the group of the 5 youngest. > > > > > >If you're incapable of voting for anything that happened before your time, > > >then don't vote. > > > > > >gh > >
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how 'bout a barefoot bikila? landy's 'look' vs. bannister. coe vs. ovett in '80. two other marathon items: shorter and the impostor; joanie solo on the l.a. freeway. wilma rudolph. -toby From: "Colleen Rorick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Colleen Rorick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: "Track Posts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:06:39 -0700 I'd throw in the 10K @ Munich and the the W3K @ Helsinki. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame > Beamonesque has to take the cake. Flojo's 10.49 is not > anywhere to be found on any list. Haye's anchor is big, > but so is 19.32, but so are Warnerdam, Zatopek, Owens, > Bubka, but for pure adreneline, nothing tops Wottle > running down Arzanov in cold war 1972. > > Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo > > Beamon's LJ in Mexico City > > FloJo's 10.49 > > Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang > > Wilma Rudolph in Rome > > Jesse Owens in Berlin > > 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US > > Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k > > US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis > > Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 > > Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo > > Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia > > ... > > What else? > > JP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >aka, what happens when the public gets involved: > > > > > >Today's local paper had a "nasty" article about the choosing of baseball's > > >all-time 10 greatest moments by the fans. Obviously that's an exercise in > > >futility, and one with a lot of subjectivity involved. The most telling > > >point in the article was that in a sport more than 100 years old, 5 of the > > >10 moments happened in the last 17 years. > > > > > >How does this relate to track's HOF (my favorite rant at the moment)? I > > >wrote a column on the subject for next month's issue of T&FN and in it I > > >noted that while all four of the people who will be inducted this year had > > >bona fide credentials for so going, of the 11 people who were nominated, the > > >4 who got in came from the group of the 5 youngest. > > > > > >If you're incapable of voting for anything that happened before your time, > > >then don't vote. > > > > > >gh > > _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
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Paula Radcliffe - 2:17:18 ! Oh, wait, That's my short-term memory kicking in. How about Walter George, 4:12 3/4 mile, '86? As in 1886. Altho there was a 4:12.6 mile in 1915, George's time wasn't significantly bettered until Nurmi ran 4:10.4 in 1923, 37 years after George. -Original Message- From: Jack Pfeifer [mailto:pfeiferj@;nytimes.com] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 12:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame >i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked >to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't even belong in the >top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot Heard Round the >World, apparently merely dates me (even though I was too young to >have known about it when it occurred). What are some nominees for >Top Moments of the Century in T&F? A few possibilities (in no >particular order): Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo Beamon's LJ in Mexico City FloJo's 10.49 Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang Wilma Rudolph in Rome Jesse Owens in Berlin 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia ... What else? JP >aka, what happens when the public gets involved: > >Today's local paper had a "nasty" article about the choosing of baseball's >all-time 10 greatest moments by the fans. Obviously that's an exercise in >futility, and one with a lot of subjectivity involved. The most telling >point in the article was that in a sport more than 100 years old, 5 of the >10 moments happened in the last 17 years. > >How does this relate to track's HOF (my favorite rant at the moment)? I >wrote a column on the subject for next month's issue of T&FN and in it I >noted that while all four of the people who will be inducted this year had >bona fide credentials for so going, of the 11 people who were nominated, the >4 who got in came from the group of the 5 youngest. > >If you're incapable of voting for anything that happened before your time, >then don't vote. > >gh
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Except there are some (not me) that say that isn't even PR's best performance of the year so that sends it way down the food chain. Regards, Martin (bad science follower) "Post, Marty" wrote: > Paula Radcliffe - 2:17:18 ! Oh, wait, That's my short-term memory > kicking in.
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At 03:37 PM 10/25/2002 -0400, toby - wrote: how 'bout a barefoot bikila? landy's 'look' vs. bannister. coe vs. ovett in '80. two other marathon items: shorter and the impostor; joanie solo on the l.a. freeway. wilma rudolph. -toby I'll add: the Montreal 5,000; Clarke blowing the doors off 28 minutes essentially solo in Oslo, 1965; Boit/Juanto in the 77 World Cup 800. Juanto called it "great competition." Indeed! -- Steve Grathwohl * [EMAIL PROTECTED] "You need to have a compulsive relationship with the music.You have got to like human beings, even if you despise the human race, because other people are going to make the noises, and you aren't going to do a damn thing." ---Sir Colin Davis on conducting
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Bob Hersh wrote: > The Tokyo '91 long jump. Perhaps the greatest field event competition > ever. And not just the WR, but the whole competition. Just amazing. And it was telecast virtually in its entirety. Just riveting. What a series by Lewis! I've still got it on tape along with a lot of other stuff from the early 80's onward. Field events just do not get this kind of coverage any more. More favorites: 5000m in Munich...the anticipation leading up to Pre's race was amazing. I had been in Atlanta to see a concert (I think Santana) and made a point of driving home in the middle of the night so that I could be home to watch it on TV. Coe's 1500m in LA, defeating Cram and shaking his fist at the British press, with Steve Scott fading and consoled by his wife after the race. Carl Lewis' 200m in Indianapolis in '83, easing up significantly in the homestretch, yet still running 19.75 to almost break Mennea's WR. (I got to see this one in person). And what about Michael Johnson's 19.32 200m in Atlanta, surpassing the significant hype for that race? bob
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Long as we are going international Cram vs. Aoutia 85 @ Nice Can anything be more thrilling than Dave Wottle's stretch run in Munich. The others all looked like they were moon walking What about Lance Deals silver in the hammer? Keith Whitman Head Coach Cross Country/Track & Field Muskingum College http://www.muskingum.edu (740) 826-8018-Office (330) 677-4631-Home (740) 826-8300-Fax Galations 2:20
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Did anyone suggest the Billy Mills 10k win in Tokyo, in light of upstaging the world's best and most dominant at the time? Wes Cook, George Fox University
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the W3K @ Helsinki. I now can't remember if it was the 3K or the 1500 in Helsinki where Decker outkicked the two Soviets to the line (with Kazankina, I believe, making a dramatic but vain dive), but that was the specific moment that changed me from being a football fan who ran track in spring to an all-out rabid distance runner. For years afterward, I had a Nike poster of that moment that I snagged from a shoe store. -- Lee Nichols Assistant News Editor The Austin Chronicle 512/454-5766, ext. 138 fax 512/458-6910 http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/authors/leenichols.html
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How about worst races in track history? I nomiate the Michael Johnson/Donovan Bailey fiasco, or Jesse Owens racing a horse. BTW, most of the posts I've seen on the original topic have been light on field events (other than Beamon, of course). > -Original Message- > From: Steve Grathwohl [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 3:58 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame > > At 03:37 PM 10/25/2002 -0400, toby - wrote: > >how 'bout a barefoot bikila? > >landy's 'look' vs. bannister. > >coe vs. ovett in '80. > >two other marathon items: shorter and the impostor; joanie solo on the > >l.a. freeway. > >wilma rudolph. > > > >-toby > > > > I'll add: > the Montreal 5,000; > Clarke blowing the doors off 28 minutes essentially solo in Oslo, 1965; > Boit/Juanto in the 77 World Cup 800. Juanto called it "great competition." > > Indeed! > > > -- > Steve Grathwohl * [EMAIL PROTECTED] > "You need to have a compulsive relationship with the music.You have got to > > like > human beings, even if you despise the human race, because other people are > going to make the noises, and you aren't going to do a damn thing." > ---Sir Colin Davis on conducting
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Well, the most exciting field event I ever saw (in person) was Tiina Lillak's last-throw-in-the-last-event win in Helsinki '83. It was Finland's only gold medal and came shortly after Arto Bryggare got them their first medal (period), barely losing to Greg Foster. Before that it had looked as though the hosts were going to be shut out completely, which would have been a major disappointment in Finland. There were a LOT of happy Finns in the stands after her throw. David Lesley -- >From: "Bloomquist, Bret" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame >Date: Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 3:06 PM > > > BTW, most of the posts I've seen on the original topic have been light on > field events (other than Beamon, of course). > >
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In a message dated 10/25/02 1:38:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Cram vs. Aoutia 85 @ Nice Can anything be more thrilling than Dave Wottle's stretch run in Munich. The others all looked like they were moon walking What about Lance Deals silver in the hammer? >> And who can forget that great point-to-point run by Pheidippides in 490 BC, from Marathon to Athens, or that awesome 'stade' victory by Corebus in the Games of 776 BC! I wasn't there (at least in this life), but here-tell the crowds were enthusiastic. Jack Shepard
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> From: "Bloomquist, Bret" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "Bloomquist, Bret" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:06:37 -0400 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame > > BTW, most of the posts I've seen on the original topic have been light on > field events (other than Beamon, of course).>> That's not surprising to me, even aside from the fact that most people inherently prefer track events. I think to really appreciate a good field event (something as numbing as a Beamon not included) you have to be there. I'm not sure I wouldn't rate Mac Wilkins' 3 WRs in the discus in one afternoon as the greatest thing I've ever seen, yet surely anybody who was in Germany the year before and saw Karl-Hans Riehm break the hammer mark 3 times (and end up with all 6 throws over the previous WR) would say that had to be far more exciting. Yet I don't even think of it. I can remember from the days of my infancy, though, that the breaking of the 7ft and 16fot barriers were the kind of thing that made front-page news, ranking almost right up there with Bannister and 4:00. Gh
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Bloomquist, Bret wrote: > How about worst races in track history? Or even the 2000 Olympic Trials 200m, where both MJ and Maurice Green pulled! \ Or the 1992 10,000m travesty with Khalid Skah and Richard Chelimo, where lapped runner Hammou Boutayeb paced Skah over the last three laps. bob
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I now can't remember if it was the 3K or the 1500 in Helsinki where Decker outkicked the two Soviets to the line (with Kazankina, I believe, making a dramatic but vain dive) I think you are referring to the 1500m. I had the good fortune to attend that meet in Helsinki, and Mary Decker outkicked Soviets in both races. She also ran from the front in both races, and in the 3K she battled Kazankina down the stretch. Decker found another gear a pulled away with a surge. The West German Brigette Kraus passed Kazankina for second place after Decker had put her away. A few days later in the 1500m final, all three Soviet runners took turns in the last 200m challenging for the lead from the front-running Decker. Mary held off the first two bids, but the top Soviet 1500m runner of the moment, Zamira Zaitseva, passed Mary off the final turn and pushed into the lead. Mary didn't give up but dug down and battled back, step for step, all the way down the stretch passing the Russian just before the line. Zaitseva desperately dove in an attempt to hang on to the win but failed and painfully skinned her face on the track surface. This was one year before Mary's prickly personality became publicly known, and many years before she tested positive, so her reputation was unsullied in those days. So that Little Mary had twice turned back the Big Bad Soviets caused the crowd to go absolutely nuts. The wild cheering went on and on. The crowd was still buzzing 20 minutes later. Those were the days Kurt Bray _ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
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Moses-Harris-Schmid, Rome, 1987 Lillak, last throw, Helsinki, 1983 But nothing tops US-USSR 1962, Bill Allen - Original Message - From: "Jack Pfeifer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame > >i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked > >to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't even belong in the > >top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot Heard Round the > >World, apparently merely dates me (even though I was too young to > >have known about it when it occurred). What are some nominees for > >Top Moments of the Century in T&F? A few possibilities (in no > >particular order): > > Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo > Beamon's LJ in Mexico City > FloJo's 10.49 > Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang > Wilma Rudolph in Rome > Jesse Owens in Berlin > 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US > Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k > US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis > Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 > Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo > Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia > ... > What else? > JP > > > > > > > >aka, what happens when the public gets involved: > > > >Today's local paper had a "nasty" article about the choosing of baseball's > >all-time 10 greatest moments by the fans. Obviously that's an exercise in > >futility, and one with a lot of subjectivity involved. The most telling > >point in the article was that in a sport more than 100 years old, 5 of the > >10 moments happened in the last 17 years. > > > >How does this relate to track's HOF (my favorite rant at the moment)? I > >wrote a column on the subject for next month's issue of T&FN and in it I > >noted that while all four of the people who will be inducted this year had > >bona fide credentials for so going, of the 11 people who were nominated, the > >4 who got in came from the group of the 5 youngest. > > > >If you're incapable of voting for anything that happened before your time, > >then don't vote. > > > >gh >
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Buddy Edelen's 2:14.28 at the Polytechnic.A pioneer for the great American marathoners. - Original Message - From: "Robert Hersh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jack Pfeifer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame > Let me add two memorable races to the list. The men's 400mH at the Rome > World Championships the women's 100mH at the US Olympic Trials in 1984. > The latter was the closest four-person finish I've ever seen. And that > obviously mattered, because only the top three could make the team. > > In the solo race department, I'll nominate Filbert Bayi's 3:51.0 World > Record mile in Kingston in 1975. I don't believe anyone has ever run a > faster mile without a rabbit to this day. And although I've seen other > world records, before and since, I don't know if any ever got me quite as > excited. (Well, maybe 19.32 did, but in a different way.) > > Finally, as a long-time fan of indoor track, I have to mention the > unforgettable 600y race in which Martin McGrady beat Lee Evens to win the > 1970 US National Indoor Championships. McGrady set a world indoor best of > 1:07.6 that lasted for more tan two decades. Evans was the reignint 400m > Olympic champion, but he was no match for McGrady, whose mastery of the > boards was extraordinary. > > Bob H > > >
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Jonathon Edwards 60+ foot TJ was the most amazing Field event for me, and MJ's 200m in Atlanta still gives me chills. My greatest sports moment (as a spectator (I know its off topic!!)) was the Game 6 in 1986. Mookie would have beat them to 1st even if he had fielded that ball. This just beats being there at Game 7. MJR
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Category: Best Race Called (radio style) But NOT Seen in USA: 1-800-94-TRACK (Vic Holchak): Marc Davis kicking down Khalid Skah in a 2M race with European fans going crazy. Bob Duncan wrote: > Bloomquist, Bret wrote: > > How about worst races in track history? > Or even the 2000 Olympic Trials 200m, where both MJ and Maurice Green > pulled! \ > > Or the 1992 10,000m travesty with Khalid Skah and Richard Chelimo, where > lapped runner Hammou Boutayeb paced Skah over the last three laps. > > bob
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Mary's 1500/3000 in Helsinki are very high on my list. I remember watching one of the races in a bar on the South Side of Chicago. We talked the bar owner - who supported a few of us runners with pizza and beer - in to showing the WC on the big projection screen, and we promised to bring in about 20 other runners who would actually pay for their pizza and beer. The crowd normally consisted of out-of-work steel mill workers who were diehard Chicago Bear/Chicago Blackhawk/Chicago White Sox fans (that's American football/hockey/baseball.) None were distance runner. But there was not a soul sitting or not screaming at the screen. Most of these guys had no clue what the event was, just that some American girl beat the Russians. Kurt Bray wrote: > >I now can't remember if it was the 3K or the 1500 in Helsinki where Decker > >outkicked the two Soviets to the line (with Kazankina, I believe, making a > >dramatic but vain dive) > > I think you are referring to the 1500m. I had the good fortune to attend > that meet in Helsinki, and Mary Decker outkicked Soviets in both races. She > also ran from the front in both races, and in the 3K she battled Kazankina > down the stretch. Decker found another gear a pulled away with a surge. > The West German Brigette Kraus passed Kazankina for second place after > Decker had put her away. > > A few days later in the 1500m final, all three Soviet runners took turns in > the last 200m challenging for the lead from the front-running Decker. Mary > held off the first two bids, but the top Soviet 1500m runner of the moment, > Zamira Zaitseva, passed Mary off the final turn and pushed into the lead. > Mary didn't give up but dug down and battled back, step for step, all the > way down the stretch passing the Russian just before the line. Zaitseva > desperately dove in an attempt to hang on to the win but failed and > painfully skinned her face on the track surface. > > This was one year before Mary's prickly personality became publicly known, > and many years before she tested positive, so her reputation was unsullied > in those days. So that Little Mary had twice turned back the Big Bad > Soviets caused the crowd to go absolutely nuts. The wild cheering went on > and on. The crowd was still buzzing 20 minutes later. > > Those were the days > > Kurt Bray > > _ > Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
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IMHO, the womens' 10,000 has become perhaps the most consistently exciting event in recent Olympics: - 1988, Ingrid Kristiansen expected to win easily, pulls out around halfway with an injury. Liz McColgan front-runs desperately trying to put distance on Olga Bondarenko, who blows by her on the final lap. - 1992 - The great mystery - Elana Meyer - in her first major championship. She tries to run away from the field only to be dusted by Derartu Tulu's 60.something final lap. And Lynn Jennings finishing third! - 1996 - A pretty brutal pace in the Atlanta heat, IIRC, then Fernanda Ribeiro, after being passed on the start of the final lap by Wang Junxia, catches her on the straightaway. Was fortunate to see this live on BBC at about 4:00 GMT. - 2000 - Never saw it, but we know about Paula Radcliffe. I think the 1984 womens' marathon was one of the all-time great Olympic moments, for a lot of reasons other than the competition itself. Marko Velikonja __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
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Tommie Smith in Mexico City in '68. His race was beautiful but it was his courage and dignity - with black gloved fist raised and head bowed - that gave me chills. I still get them when I see that photo. For an older distance runner, Mills in Tokyo in '64 showed Americans could compete. Shorter taking gold in Munich and Rodgers first Boston win - in his white gloves and hand-lettered shirt - inspired thousands - millions? And, for younger guys who didn't know it - Shorter's win was especially memorable since ABC cut-off live coverage when he was at about 22 miles (they'd covered the whole race until then). We had to wait two hours - from noon until 2:00 (Eastern time) as I recall - to see if he'd held on. He had a big lead but his breakaway at 9 miles was scary - like Joan's in LA. even earlier in the race. The most exciting race I ever saw in person was the Trials 10K in '76 when Gary Bjorklund ran the last 3 miles with one bare foot and managed to outkick Rodgers for 3rd behind Shorter and Virgin and make the team. The Eugene crowd was incredibly loud. Geoff Pietsch _ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
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IMHO, the womens' 10,000 has become perhaps the most consistently exciting event in recent Olympics: - 1996 - A pretty brutal pace in the Atlanta heat, IIRC, then Fernanda Ribeiro, after being passed on the start of the final lap by Wang Junxia, catches her on the straightaway. Was fortunate to see this live on BBC at about 4:00 GMT. Yes, you were fortunate -- because here in America, this gets my award for worst, or at least most annoying (watch out, I sense another new thread starting), television coverage. I waited until 10pm our time for the race. And waited. And waited. And waited some more, watching gymnastics or something. And finally, I thought it was coming on -- they were doing one of those damned annoying "soft and fuzzy" profiles that we all hate so much. It was on a Kenyan runner (I ought to remember which one, but can't). But then they told me the results, and I realized they were showing ONLY the soft and fuzzy, and NOT THE ACTUAL RACE ITSELF! AAAGGGHHH! It still makes me mad. And the Kenyan they chose to profile wasn't even the winner -- she came in sixth. Who actually won was almost an afterthought. I went to bed pretty pissed off that night, praying for the horrible, painful deaths of NBC executives. -- Lee Nichols Assistant News Editor The Austin Chronicle 512/454-5766 ext. 138 fax 512/458-6910 http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/authors/leenichols.html
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Lee Nichols > Yes, you were fortunate -- because here in America, this gets my > award for worst, or at least most annoying (watch out, I sense > another new thread starting), television coverage. Ditto the men's 5K that year, which I think was shown in some abbreviated form late at night after I had given up entirely. This was back when Kennedy was quite competitive and he deserved prime time treatment by the network. bob
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Surprised no one has mentioned Al Oerter's 4 golds in consecutive Olympics (1956-1968). Not sure that he was the favorite in any of those competitions. Paul Fleming
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The 1976 OG 3000 Steeple was a great race. The trio of Anders Gärderud of Sweden, Frank Baumgartl of the GDR and Bronislaw Malinowski of Poland kept the tempo at WR schedule. Gäredrud kicked for home with 300 to go, but was challenged at the last barrier by Baumgartl, who then tripped and fell. Gärderud won in a WR 8:08.02. Malinowski barely avoided stepping on Baumgartl and took the silver in No 2 AT 8:09.11. Baumgartl came up to secure the bronze in a NR 8:10.36! (Then add Tapio Kantanen of Finland as 4th with NR 8:12.60 and a few more runners with top marks (Michael Karst wes 5th, I think). Some race I'd say... Mats Åkerlind Gävle, Sweden
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Oerter actually beat the reigning WR holder at all four occasions. (Fortune Gordien in '56, Rink Babka in '60, Ludvik Danek in '64 and Jay Silvester in '68). He also had PB's at the OG in (at least) '68 and perhaps also in '56. (I haven't looked it up, so it's from memory) Mats Åkerlind Paul Fleming wrote: > Surprised no one has mentioned Al Oerter's 4 golds in consecutive Olympics > (1956-1968). Not sure that he was the favorite in any of those > competitions. > > Paul Fleming
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ghill wrote: > I can remember from the days of my infancy, though, that the breaking of the > 7ft and 16fot barriers were the kind of thing that made front-page news, > ranking almost right up there with Bannister and 4:00. > > Gh Being a few years older than Garry (I think), I remember well three big (Imperial) barriers being broken in the space of two years or so: The 4 minute mile, the 7 foot HJ, and the 60 foot SP. All were big news, especially the 4 minute mile. It was certainly bigger than the home run record by Bonds last year, for example. The '54 Commonwealth mile featuring Bannister and Landy was broadcast live on radio, if you can believe that. I remember listening to it on the car radio with my dad as we were going into town. I remember my dad's comment after the race like it was yesterday: Shaking his head in disbelief he said, "Somebody ran a mile in under four minutes and got beat, can you believe that?" -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
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The best part of the 100mH race, although I was sorry that Hightower didn't make the team, was hearing Mammie Rollins scream over the 25,000 or so fans in the stands after the results were announced! Robert Hersh wrote: > Let me add two memorable races to the list. The men's 400mH at the Rome > World Championships the women's 100mH at the US Olympic Trials in 1984. > The latter was the closest four-person finish I've ever seen. And that > obviously mattered, because only the top three could make the team. -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
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Kurt has overlooked what I think is the most interesting thing about the '83 WC 1500 race. In third place was none other than Yekaterina Podkopayeva, who was to defeat Decker (Slaney) 12 years later in the World Indoor Championships at the age of 42. In the interview after the race, Slaney acted like she didn't even know who Podkopayeva was. Kurt Bray wrote: > >I now can't remember if it was the 3K or the 1500 in Helsinki where Decker > >outkicked the two Soviets to the line (with Kazankina, I believe, making a > >dramatic but vain dive) > > I think you are referring to the 1500m. I had the good fortune to attend > that meet in Helsinki, and Mary Decker outkicked Soviets in both races. She > also ran from the front in both races, and in the 3K she battled Kazankina > down the stretch. Decker found another gear a pulled away with a surge. > The West German Brigette Kraus passed Kazankina for second place after > Decker had put her away. > > A few days later in the 1500m final, all three Soviet runners took turns in > the last 200m challenging for the lead from the front-running Decker. Mary > held off the first two bids, but the top Soviet 1500m runner of the moment, > Zamira Zaitseva, passed Mary off the final turn and pushed into the lead. > Mary didn't give up but dug down and battled back, step for step, all the > way down the stretch passing the Russian just before the line. Zaitseva > desperately dove in an attempt to hang on to the win but failed and > painfully skinned her face on the track surface. > > This was one year before Mary's prickly personality became publicly known, > and many years before she tested positive, so her reputation was unsullied > in those days. So that Little Mary had twice turned back the Big Bad > Soviets caused the crowd to go absolutely nuts. The wild cheering went on > and on. The crowd was still buzzing 20 minutes later. > > Those were the days > > Kurt Bray -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice & FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
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Unless I missed it in a previous post, but how about Alberto Juantorena with his two golds in 1976 OG in the 400 and 800 (1:43.50 WR.)
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Flo Jo 100m in 10.49?? With an approximately 4 m/sec following wind as everybody knows? you must be kidding. What about the long jump duel (Lewis-Powell) at the 1991 World champs in Tokyo?! Note that Lusis vs. Wolferman's JT duel in Munich 1972 is the only event where non-US atheltes were involved that makes your list. No feat by a Paavo Nurmi ot an Emil Zatopek, or a win+WR by Herb Eliot in the 1960 Rome Olympic does. This leaves one wondering whether it is worlwide track and field you are alluding to. UG Quoting Jack Pfeifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked > >to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't even belong in the > >top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot Heard Round the > >World, apparently merely dates me (even though I was too young to > >have known about it when it occurred). What are some nominees for > >Top Moments of the Century in T&F? A few possibilities (in no > >particular order): > > Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo > Beamon's LJ in Mexico City > FloJo's 10.49 > Rafer Johnson vs CK Yang > Wilma Rudolph in Rome > Jesse Owens in Berlin > 1952 4x4 Jamaica vs US > Lindgren defeats Russians at 10k > US-Russia dual at Stanford during Cuban missile crisis > Lusis vs Wolfermann in Munich '72 > Mills's win over Clarke and Gammoudi in Tokyo > Ryun vs Liquori in Philadelphia > ... > What else? > JP > > > > > > > >aka, what happens when the public gets involved: > > > >Today's local paper had a "nasty" article about the choosing of > baseball's > >all-time 10 greatest moments by the fans. Obviously that's an exercise > in > >futility, and one with a lot of subjectivity involved. The most > telling > >point in the article was that in a sport more than 100 years old, 5 of > the > >10 moments happened in the last 17 years. > > > >How does this relate to track's HOF (my favorite rant at the moment)? > I > >wrote a column on the subject for next month's issue of T&FN and in it > I > >noted that while all four of the people who will be inducted this year > had > >bona fide credentials for so going, of the 11 people who were > nominated, the > >4 who got in came from the group of the 5 youngest. > > > >If you're incapable of voting for anything that happened before your > time, > >then don't vote. > > > >gh >
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Best event I personally watched was the women HJ at the European cup of 1983. Tamara Bykova equaled the WR but came second to Ulrike Meyfarth, both 1 cm over the previous WR. Yoram Aharoni Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! Click Here
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The most exciting race I ever saw was the men's 5000 at Stuttgart in '93. TV doesn't do it justice, but the noise from the crowd over the final 200 as Kirui tried to hold off Geb and Bayissa was unbelievable. Earlier that summer Ondieki's sub-27:00 brought tears to my eyes. To be one of the 10,000 clapping and yelling fans for such an achievement is indescribable. sideshow
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At 05:40 PM 10/25/2002 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote.. Lots of good moments. I would add: the 1988 OT Lewis-Myricks LJ duel in a thunderstorm. the 1968 Olympic TJ where the WR was broken several times (even if it was altitude assisted) the 1972 Olympic 400 hurdles with Akibua winning in an upset out of Lane 1 the 1960 Olympic 1500 with Elliot stunning with a dominant performance the 1956 Olympic 10k with Kuts running sprints against Pirie the 1978 NCAA steeple/5k heats double by Henry Rono, with the steeple run as a fartlek workout in 8:12 the 1924 Olympic 1500-5000 double by Nurmmi in 1 hour. Not on my list: the 1993 Chinese National Games WRs. If I could believe it, the women's 3k in that race would simply be the most incredible distance race ever, probably only approached by Clarke's and Geb's 10ks. Richard McCann
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Coincidentally, see my previous post that includes those plus several other non-American duals. One American-only race that I would include is the men's 1984 OT 800 in which there were TWO photo finishes (one for the team) and James Robinson, many time national champ, didn't even make the team. RMc At 10:53 AM 10/28/2002 -0800, t-and-f-digest wrote.. Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:05:20 +0200 (IST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Flo Jo 100m in 10.49?? With an approximately 4 m/sec following wind as everybody knows? you must be kidding. What about the long jump duel (Lewis-Powell) at the 1991 World champs in Tokyo?! Note that Lusis vs. Wolferman's JT duel in Munich 1972 is the only event where non-US atheltes were involved that makes your list. No feat by a Paavo Nurmi ot an Emil Zatopek, or a win+WR by Herb Eliot in the 1960 Rome Olympic does. This leaves one wondering whether it is worlwide track and field you are alluding to.
