Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators
I'd taken both inclined elevator and funicular railway. I think it could seen as two different kind of things. Inclined elevators travel with short distance in most of the time, their structure is quite different that it shouldn't be bracket with the other. I think the description in OSM wiki looks fine. Not supported by osm-carto and other tools needs to be reported by somebody, worth doing that. - Tan ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Battery swapping spot in a charging station or being an individual tag?
When my e-scooter run out of energy I would go to the swapping stations to have a new battery since the battery must be rented by the battery provider. It just like charging the battery in very short time (even faster than refueling in the gas station). But it truly more like to have a new bottled gas when my kitchen runs out of fuel. Due to the requirement of a large power system, sometimes battery swapping station and charging station are located at the same place. - Tan 於 星期二, 10月 6, 2020, 5:34 上午，Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging 寫道： Oct 5, 2020, 18:58 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: Hi All, I want to write a new proposal about the battery swapping system for the automotive vehicle. I'm not sure if modifying amenity=charging_station is better or creating a new tag amenity=battery_swapping. I prefer to use amenity=charging_station but found that is not a easy thing to do that. In case of a new tag - what would happen with place that offers both charging and battery swapping? I wonder how such swap battery station acts from viewpoints of user - is it functionally an equivalent to a very fast charging station? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Battery swapping spot in a charging station or being an individual tag?
Hi All, I want to write a new proposal about the battery swapping system for the automotive vehicle. I'm not sure if modifying amenity=charging_station is better or creating a new tag amenity=battery_swapping. I prefer to use amenity=charging_station but found that is not a easy thing to do that. The background of the proposal is that I have a scooter that I can swap the battery in the convenience stores and the fuel stations. In my country there are two network of battery swapping system: Gogoro Network and iOnex, people can find the battery swapping stations in many place around the city. This is what a basic battery swapping station look like: https://c8.alamy.com/comp/PK9WN2/a-battery-swapping-station-for-gogoro-electric-scooters-in-taipei-PK9WN2.jpg I also read some news that shows that some car producers in China are preparing the battery swapping system for the car, even though I'm not sure whether they will success or not. There are some possible way to make the amenity=charging_station to involve them: * Use socket: like socket:gogoro_network and add a battery_swapping=yes * Use a new tag charging=battery_swapping and keep the newtork=gogoro_network The later can let it being rendered as individual icon easily maybe a dispenser with a swap arrow but not a dispenser with a charging socket, but the old stations that use the sockets should add a new tag charging=socket to reduce the confusion. Another problem is that if a charging station have both battery swapping and socket ability, then we should make two separated element to do that. It is hard to consider which is the better way to tag the battery swapping stations. Please leave some comment of your opinion, thanks. - Tan ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Takeaway drink shops
Dear All, The voting of the takeaway drink shops is on, please vote the proposal here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Takeaway_drink_shops Thanks, - Tan ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Takeaway drinks shops
Hi All, In the previous mail I post a proposal which was copied and pasted from my older bubble tea proposal, and I found that there were couple of mistakes. So I edited it and add some additional contents. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Takeaway_drink_shops This tag is not designated for only bubble tea shops, so the cuisine=* tag is recommend for us to make more diverse presets for example we can call a amenity=drink+cuisine=bubble_tea is "Bubble tea shop" and cuisine=juice is "Juice bar". Besides after the previous discussions it seems to me that amenity key is better since we have many smoothie shops which was tagged as amenity=fast_food now, it's weird that if we design a new tag then it should be changed from amenity to shop. I know that someone would say that a bakery is a shop but not a amenity, I think there is something odd either. Anyway, I suppose that the tag should be an amenity. It's a hard decision if the tag should use the amenity or the shop key, but I hope that I could start the vote by the end of September. If anyone have more ideas please help me to complete the proposal and if there is enough people decide that the shop key is better maybe we can have more detail voting to figure out which tag most people think better. Thanks. By the way I think it's weird that many juice bar truly selling smoothie because I assume that juice bar selling juice and smoothie shop selling smoothie. - Tan ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Takeaway drinks shops
Hello Sorry for pause the bubble tea proposal for a month due to my personal reason. In the discussion in June and July some people think the tag for bubble tea is too specific but there is a flaw in existing tags, so I made a new draft for containing more type of takeaway beverages shops, and it's still unsure whether use amenity=* or shop=*. Please comment and help me to complete the proposal, thanks. Tan ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea
I think I may redraft a feature proposal for the shop focusing providing takeout beverages or only have very limit seats and merge the bubble tea shop proposal into it. Right now we have amenity=cafe and shop=beverages for those sell drinks. Actually I'm not sure that if the feature of a amenity=cafe is providing a cozy social/rest space or not. But it seems like both of the two tags are not suitable for shops I want to map. The proposal would introduce a new tag (maybe amenity=drinks or amenity=takeout_drinks or what). This kind of places sell beverages mostly with takeaway paper or plastic cup, people can drink in their home or office after buying. This kind of places may focus on different drinks: coffee/iced tea/juice/bubble tea/etc... We can use the existing cuisine=* tag or a new tag for example drinks=juice to distinguish what they focus on, and drink:*=yes to show if a shop provides a kind of drink. (BTW do anyone thinks cuisine=coffee_shop or cuisine=teahouse are weird as me?) Also, some of places may provides 3 or 4 seats. The seats is mainly for thirsty customers to take a rest and have some drinks. But they wouldn't spend more than half an hour in the shop, let alone meeting or working in the shop, which make these not a amenity=cafe. We can still use capacity=* for tagging the number of seats. There are some photos to show the concept of this proposal, all of these shop is located in my hometown: https://www.instagram.com/p/BtsEiIBBX8C/ a shop sells coffee for the workers to drink on their office hours https://www.instagram.com/p/CA27iqYpvwz/ they focus on selling plum green tea but also selling bubble teas https://www.instagram.com/p/BS6DKVuF7IZ/ most of their drinks are juice, sells juice tea too. and some shop is in the department store sorry for no pictures I found, anyone who have similar example of this kind of shop can also add the content. I'm not sure if a juice stand may be located in a outlet or amusement park should tagged as this tag. But after this proposal we can merged the bubble tea proposal and the juice bar proposal (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Juice_bar) to clarify the tagging scheme of these shops. -Tan ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a graffiti?
Nearby my high school there is a wall administrated by government. They invite artists to graffiti the wall every month. If I'm mapping I would mark it as an attraction, but only name it as graffiti wall but won't put the work name on the map. - Tan 在 2020年7月2日 星期四 下午1:33:44 [GMT+8]， Clifford Snow 寫道： > When I lived in a suburb of Minneapolis, we had this bridge that everyone > graffitied. Some of it was typical trash, but others were works of art, > including Prince on a motorcycle. About the same time out came Prince's > album, Graffiti Bridge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graffiti_Bridge_(album) > The art stayed up longer than normal but after a time it was graffitied over. > Last time I was in town, I drove past the bridge but it was long gone. Or > because the area changed so much I couldn't find it :) > > I suspect that graffiti is too transitory to map. But if I had been > contributing to OSM I would have added it - and if Steve would have started > OSM before 1990. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...
在 2020年7月2日 星期四 上午7:18 [GMT+8]， Paul Allen< pla16...@gmail.com> 寫道： > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 23:59, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> On 2. Jul 2020, at 00:44, Paul Allen wrote: >> >>> I cannot deny the possibility, but I have never seen a takeaway >>> kebab shop with seats for queuing customers. >> >> typical configuration in such places around here is a board (“table”) >> attached to the wall and bar stools. You can use it while waiting but >> also to eat if you want. > > example pic with limited outdoor and indoor seating, typical situation: > > I've never seen anything like that with a takeaway. Cafes, yes. Seats > outside used when it's sunny, seats inside used when it's raining. Not > any takeway that I recall. It's interesting to find the difference of the food shops between different nations, I'm surprised that seats for the takeaway queue is not common in your place. Let me introduce the Taiwanese fried chicken shop. Localize fried chicken shop in my hometown is very common. (Note that although everyone call it fried chicken shop but they sell fired vegetables and seafood too.) This kind of shops usually only for takeout, and don't have seats. They sell fast food, but they actually not fast. https://www.facebook.com/104450897586160/photos/a.158539162177333/229840271713888/?type=3 Upper page is the most famous fried chicken shop in my hometown. They will give you a number paper and you have to wait at least 50 minutes at the peak hour to get your food, so they provide some seats for those who are waiting for their chicken. https://imgur.com/BtUnsdM This is a new shop nearby my home and I still need to wait 6 minutes for frying the chicken so they also provide seats. I've taken a look and wanted to know how local mapper in my hometown tagged this kind of shop, and made me funny that one is shop=kiosk, and other are shop=deli (may be the translation problem of iD editor). Only very few of them are amenity=fast_food. I think that local mapper may think that amenity=fast_food is for McDonald KFC or MOS burger some place you can sit in it. I think that I would call McDonald or MOS burger "fast food restaurant" and the "fast food shop" is for upper examples. -Tan ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea
I don't think that use tags like cuisine=japanese or italian is a good idea for cafes. 在 2020年6月29日 星期一 下午9:26:30 [GMT+8]， Andrew Harvey 寫道： > Sorry I wasn't aware of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:drink, that > makes a lot of sense. > > As an aside, it might make sense then to use drink:*= as the kind of drink > (chocolate) and cuisine=* to refer to the style/way it is prepared. > > So a place that does the thick and rich italian hot chocolate would be > amenity=cafe + cusine=italian + drink:chocolate=designated (designated means > it's actually signposted as a chocolate cafe rather than just happening to > have chocolate on the menu but not the main item). I believe that drink:*= is an useful tag for users who really want to know what the coffeehouse provides. For example we can add drink:fruit_tea=yes on Starbucks so those who don't like to drink coffee can still go there. But it's hard to use drink:*= in the iD presets, we can only add a column encouraging mappers to add them. 在 2020年6月29日 星期一 下午9:26:30 [GMT+8]， Andrew Harvey 寫道： > A place that does japanese style matcha drinks would be amenity=cafe + > cuisine=japanese + drink:matcha=designated. And It's too hard to define all the localize cuisine. I don't know how to tag Starbucks in such scheme. -Tan ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] 回覆﹕ Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea
In previous discussion we haven’t clarify that “cafe” is a place serving coffee drinks or a place providing seat for the consumer to have something like coffee or donut. Maybe a coffee kiosk is better to map with a kiosk + cuisine=coffee_shop? -Tan 於 星期六, 6月 27, 2020, 11:00 下午，Shawn K. Quinn 寫道： On 6/27/20 09:55, Philip Barnes wrote: > Starbucks in my experience has seating, I am unaware of any which are > takeaway only. There are a couple out here that have outdoor seating only. Even if it was just a kiosk I would still tag amenity=cafe for consistency. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea
I believe many mappers are confused a lot for choosing the right tag just like me. So if we have a normal coffee house providing coffee and have seat we use * amenity=cafe + cuisine=coffee_shop (but the cuisine tag is not included in iD preset so many users do not add them) and if it is only a roadside store or a peddler we should use * amenity=cafe + cuisine=coffee_shop along with takeout=only And a teahouse have seats use * amenity=cafe + cuisine=tea ? (not mentioned in OSM wiki) * shop=tea ? (might be confused with shop selling tea equipments and tea leaves) * amenity=teahouse (which was a draft proposal but few discussion) but like a bubble tea shop use * amenity=cafe + cuisine=bubble_tea + takeout=only ? * shop=bubble_tea or shop=beverages (causing confused with beverages market) Furthermore we still have ice cream store use * amenity=ice_cream and I've noticed that shaved ice store sometimes use amenity=ice_cream, sometimes use amenity=cafe, and sometimes use amenity=fast_food, nevertheless donut shop and bagel shop still use amenity=cafe + cuisine=donut/begal I'm not sure if we should solved all these problem at one time or just clarify how to map the bubble tea shop only for takeaway. But I think if we use cuisine=* to distinguish coffee shop, tea house, bubble tea shop, donut shop, bagel shop and shaved ice shop, it's better to have own icon and wiki pages for each of them - Tan ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 11:49, Paul Allen wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 17:28, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: >> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 11:50, Paul Allen wrote: >> > On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 16:31, 德泉 談 via Tagging < >> tagging at openstreetmap.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> I've drafted a new proposal about the bubble tea shops which are very >> common in Taiwan which are usually mismapped as shop=beverages >> >> >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/shop%3Dbubble_tea >> > >> > >> > Looking at your proposal, I fail to see how these are not shop=beverages. >> >> Have you seen a bubble tea shop? >> > > Nope. :) > >> >> It's basically a cafe. It prepares drinks to order. Best tagging I've >> seen around me is amenity=cafe + cuisine=bubble_tea >> > > As described in the proposal, most lack seating. Which makes those > without seating shops rather than cafes. > >> >> See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Acuisine%3Dbubble_tea - >> per https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/cuisine=bubble_tea it's not >> very common but for example iD presets have amenity=cafe + >> cuisine=bubble_tea for Chatime >> >> https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/blob/c0b65aacf04be6753f6e7e82007399bee1e65fdc/brands/amenity/cafe.json#L314-L329 >> as well as Gong Cha, Sharetea, and a few others. >> > > Seems reasonable, if they have seats and they also serve food. > >> >> I would suggest using an amenity tag rather than a shop tag since it's >> much more like a cafe or a fast food place than a store. >> > > I can see that it's more like fast food since the stuff has to be prepared. > But then I think "Starbucks." Have we already standardized on a way > of tagging somewhere without seats that sells takeaway coffee? > >> >> In a bubble tea place you place an order and it is prepared and served to >> you. >> > > So like a place that sells takeaway coffee but the list of beverages > is different. If we have a way of mapping coffee takeaways then > use that with drink:bubble_tea=yes. If we don't have a way of mapping > coffee takeaways then we probably need one that can,deal with coffee, > bubble tea and whatever else with appropriate drink:*=*. Thanks Paul and thanks Jerek. Sorry for didn't described clearly in the proposal. The reason that I made this proposal is because after I sent a pull request to add a bubble tea shop in the name-suggestion-index on Github (https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/pull/3998), an user reminded me that some of the bubble tea shops are tagged with amenity=cafe + cuisine=bubble_tea, instead, shop=beverages is more for the place selling cans or bottles of beer and other beverages. It confused me because most of the users in Taiwan have used shop=beverages a lot and it had been some brands such as 50嵐, CoCo都可, 大苑子DaYuans, 清心福全ChingShin and 茶湯會TP-TEA in the name-suggestion-index/shop=beverages already. In my opinion, amenity=cafe is not suitable for bubble tea shop even if takeout coffee shop is common nowadays. Bubble tea shops usually don't serve coffee and snacks and mostly don't have seats. I'd also checked the original shop=beverages proposal page (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Beverages) which was drafted in 2008 and never been voted. It's widely used in Germany Before drafted this proposal, I'd done some research and found some interesting point. This is shop=beverages in NYC http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Vvc Most of them are beer seller, and some bubble tea shop, some are coffee shop (mismapped). and shop=beverages in Dusseldorf http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Vvd most of them are beer and wines market. I believe that currently most of the shop=beverages are located in Germany and Taiwan, but the form are very different between two places. I think amenity=bubble_tea may be an option but really not sure wether use amenity or shop is better. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea
I've drafted a new proposal about the bubble tea shops which are very common in Taiwan which are usually mismapped as shop=beverages https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/shop%3Dbubble_tea Please visit and comment for this proposal, thanks. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
