Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental
On Sunday, 14 October 2018 12:30:49 CDT SelfishSeahorse wrote: > Do you or anyone else have another idea how to name land used for > governing or how to solve this problem differently? It doesn't seem to > be an easy task ... Just to throw a couple more your way: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/622149574 landuse=garages is a staging area for city public works and county truck repair, and https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/448672572 amenity=recycling is for city run recycling of yard waste I couldn't find exactly appropriate tagging so I think I used a sort of least appropriate method. Is it time to consider some sort of general overhaul of landuse to make it more flexible? -- Tom Hardy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Lane geometry in OSM
On Friday, 3 August 2018 16:35:21 CDT Jmapb wrote: > > (Sorry, did a private reply...) The accepted answer posted here: > > https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/64617/how-to-map-center-turn-lanes > > is simply: > [...] Thanks! -- Tom Hardy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Lane geometry in OSM
On Friday, 3 August 2018 15:39:09 CDT Lionel Giard wrote: > You can tag it with : > lanes=3 > lanes:forward=1 > lanes:backward=2 > turn:lanes:backward=left|through > > and split the way where the two arrows are located, and inverse the tagging > on the other segment (put the lanes:forward=2; lanes:backward=1; > turn:lanes:forward=left|through). > As i suppose you should not drive further than the arrow in either > direction. So you have "two turn lanes" facing each other (that's more or > less what it looks). Won't do; at least not in the general case. https://binged.it/2AGqqTa should give a Microsoft street view that you can march along and examine; see how long it is, the periodic repetition of the double arrows, etc. It's from another location where I remembered a lengthy center lane. The lane is used for left turns in both directions, and also to collect cars making left turns onto the street, as well as for emergency vehicles dealing with heavy traffic. And yes, I find them to be a bit dangerous, for the case where cars heading in opposite rapidly and simultaneously enter the center lane. -- Tom Hardy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Lane geometry in OSM
On Friday, 3 August 2018 09:49:07 CDT you wrote: > On Friday, 3 August 2018 06:11:48 CDT Lionel Giard wrote: > > If you look at the wiki page about different lanes tagging ( > > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes ), you can see that a suggested > > way of tagging (in "Examples/Motorways") is using letter to indicate which > > lane goes to where (when there is a transition). This could be used to > > extent the width tagging for transition lane (where one lane split to two > > (or conversely). There are already a lot of possibility to tag detailed > > lanes, but we could indeed add the width in it ! > > [...] > > I vaguely recall that, but I'll have to study to see what you're talking > about, shortly. So it appears the letter designations are stand-ins for the name or the ref or more specifically the name as it appears on signage. It could be the name of a city for example. I am having trouble relating it to width, but I think the width:lanes:start/end formulation could cover it. > > Also, I often see a center lane for left turns in both directions, as in > https://ecn.t0.tiles.virtualearth.net/tiles/a0213330110033323031.jpeg?g=6570 > That's next on my list. It's currently tagged as a two lane road just a > bit west of the intersection I referred to earlier. Note the solid yellow > lines which usually means "do not cross" to me, so I think I'll have to > look up the law before I attempt to tag it. My first take: lanes=3 lanes:forward=2 lanes:backward=2 turn:lanes:forward=left|through turn:lanes:backward=left|through lanes:forward/backward might possibly be redundant. I think of it as a suicide lane, and it might confuse JOSM's "Enhanced lane and road attributes" even more than it does me. Well there is at least one way to find out. -- Tom Hardy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Lane geometry in OSM
On Friday, 3 August 2018 06:11:48 CDT Lionel Giard wrote: > If you look at the wiki page about different lanes tagging ( > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes ), you can see that a suggested > way of tagging (in "Examples/Motorways") is using letter to indicate which > lane goes to where (when there is a transition). This could be used to > extent the width tagging for transition lane (where one lane split to two > (or conversely). There are already a lot of possibility to tag detailed > lanes, but we could indeed add the width in it ! [...] I vaguely recall that, but I'll have to study to see what you're talking about, shortly. Also, I often see a center lane for left turns in both directions, as in https://ecn.t0.tiles.virtualearth.net/tiles/a0213330110033323031.jpeg?g=6570 That's next on my list. It's currently tagged as a two lane road just a bit west of the intersection I referred to earlier. Note the solid yellow lines which usually means "do not cross" to me, so I think I'll have to look up the law before I attempt to tag it. -- Tom Hardy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Lane geometry in OSM
I've experimented a bit with lane and road attributes as in https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/505256201 and the adjoining intersection. No width, but number, function and placement of lanes. For placement, I always selected the center of the throughway. This allows renderers that pay no attention to lane attributes to render a straight line through an intersection. JOSM's "Enhanced lane and road attributes" visualizer shows this quite well. -- Tom Hardy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in Minneapolis, Minnesota
On Thursday, 8 June 2017 18:23:50 CDT Clifford Snow wrote: > According to Wikipedia [1], the city can not change the name. But since > they did put up new signage, according to the article, I agree that > name=Bde Maka Ska is appropriate. I would use the name_1=Lake Calhoun > instead of name:en. Lake Calhoun isn't the english version of Bde Maka Ska. [...] Huh. That one flew right by me. Noted. Now I have to learn to pronounce it. -- Tom Hardy <rhardy...@gmail.com> ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in Minneapolis, Minnesota
Lake Calhoun <http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=44164741> is the subject of local discussion due to racist associations of the word "Calhoun". I know a name change has been promoted, but I have no further details. The name was recently changed to name=Bde Maka Ska, with name:dak=Mde Maka Ska, something that won't be recognised by most people or entities in the area. I added name:en=Lake Calhoun and added a note but have taken no further action. -- Tom Hardy <rhardy...@gmail.com> ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Landuse and Zoning and Licensing (CC BY SA)
On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 1:37:51 PM CDT Ralph Dell wrote: > Although I don't often reply to these threads I am going to give > it a go and hope to be constructive in the attempt. > If Tom Hardy <rhardy...@gmail.com> you are suggesting that > landuse:,... Not so much suggesting as exploring the consequences of using the data in various ways, and the data does look useful as an aid to mapping. So far, the zoning data appears to have an inexact but good correspondance to landuse, and I have discovered other data... Minneapolis, MN, US data (not where I started from in this thread) appears to be available under CC BY SA. Would anyone care to comment on applicability of CC BY SA to Openstreetmap? My brothers house is going to get a landuse=industrial_living tag, though. -- Tom Hardy <rhardy...@gmail.com> ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Landuse and Zoning (Was: Tagging for the Renderer)
On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 1:22:27 AM CDT Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I am not completely sure, but I think zoning maps are > prescriptive, while osm landuse is about the actual current > landuse, and in some cases this might differ. Yes, they are certainly intended to be prescriptive, but if they are to make any sense in relatively developed areas they have to reflect as well as shape ground truth. They could be useful when combined with local knowledge. Looking further... <http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/zoningmaps/zoning_zoning-district-descriptions> shows primary districts (with subtypes) of Residence, Office Residence, Commercial, Industrial, and Downtown. Not too bad. A link at the top of the page will take you to actual maps. It also has overlay districts. The "Floodplain Overlay District" could possibly be useful, and for some reason the "Industrial living Overlay District" tweaks my interest. Another approach. Minneapolis and environs have named neighborhoods with posted signage, but the borders are never clear. A little googling gives http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/maps/neighborhoods , which leads to maps complete with structures and housenumbers. Ohh, that begins to look like an import project Or is someone already doing it? -- Tom Hardy <rhardy...@gmail.com> ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Landuse and Zoning (Was: Tagging for the Renderer)
On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 6:20:24 AM CDT John Willis wrote: > This is why I love landuse for buildings. I use this method to map > most business and factories. (Landuse=retail+name=* and then > Building=retail inside, with driveways and parking lots as well) > works great for multi-building apartment complexes. Unlike the > suburban US, most everything in Japan has a concrete wall or a > chain link fence on the property line (you can see the > stone/plastic property line markers in the wall/ground if you do > a ground survey, so assuming the walls are always a property > lines is a safe assumption) so it is really easy to "landuse" > everything. > > Its why I really want a landuse=civic or equivalent for the > government/city hall/tax office Kind of complexes. I've thought about heading to City Hall and using their zoning map to complete landuse for a city, as there is a correspondance. But you would also find something like landuse=school, landuse=park, etc. You would also find further subdivisions, so for residential areas you might have landuse:=R1 through R4. The borders would tend to follow the the centerline of streets, as street passage tends to be allowed through the use of easments. At least in this neck of the woods. Still, the zoning maps would be useful. -- Tom Hardy <rhardy...@gmail.com> ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Tagging for the Renderer (Was: Why is this building not rendered?)
On Sunday, April 16, 2017 10:59:00 PM CDT Tom Pfeifer wrote: > Identified as a glitch in the rendering databases, as assumed. See > the carto ticket above and > https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues/156 for > explanation. > > No need to change any tagging for this (of course the school > campus can be drawn with local knowledge). I want to express thanks to all for a bit of education on the manner of discussion presented--how to refer to a specific object, how to (possibly) open a ticket, etc. The wiki, for instance, led me to believe the way to open a ticket was to hang a note on an object. I'll be surveying the school some time in the next week. _Tagging for the Renderer_ The closest I've come is http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5322780 where I drew and addressed the individual buildings, then created the relation. Addresses were shown on the rendered map, but later were gone. I looked into it and found someone had moved addr:street to the relation but had left addr:housenumber on the individual buildings, so I "fixed" it. Justification: all elements of an address belong together. This is obviously right because it keeps the renderer happy. Comments? I've been tempted in the case of trailer parks where I've been unsatisfied with my tagging efforts, e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/213616682 which is just a closed way with landuse=residential and addressing information. The address is not rendered. I like to see addresses on the map because I like to use the map as a visual aid to mental routing, the old fashioned way. -- Tom Hardy <rhardy...@gmail.com> ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Why is this building not rendered?
On Sunday, April 16, 2017 3:40:35 PM CDT Warin wrote: > Way: Peter Hobart Elementary School (341791043) > > I think tagging it both as a; > > amenity=school > > and > > building=school > > has confused things. > [...] Yes, I had considered that but I can't prove it. ;) And I watched the building disappear as I updated my tiles in Marble. It is either a result of recent changes in the standard rendering that has not yet affected other layers, e.g. Cyclemap, or it is a result of the recent large scale editing that affects most of the world. However, I've just realized I don't know how to show history of an object in ID. Clicking "history" on the main page gives results that make no sense. -- Tom Hardy <rhardy...@gmail.com> ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Why is this building not rendered?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/44.95741/-93.36230 should show a building=school (with amenity=school and other tags including an incorrect addr:housenumber and addr:city). The standard layer doesn't show it but every other layer does, and it appears normal in the ID editor. Clicking the the history button shows the area affected by a flurry of large scale edits including by woodpeck_repair, though I can't associate edits with specific objects on the main page. History as revealed by JOSM shows it hasn't been touched in over a year. With that, I've about exhausted my map-fu, but I am very curious to know what is going on here. Thank you. -- Tom Hardy <rhardy...@gmail.com> (user:rhardy@osm) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
