[Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens
Hi, Thanks for providing these links. My comments inline below. Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 14:00:00 +0200 From: Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens Message-ID: CAKjckOn Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:00 PM, cakjckypeq0dtrr-ydwb5hxve44pwmbznk4jy7rp7rwmekwk...@mail.gmail.com tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Re: Tag for livestocks pens (Martin Vonwald) Am 01.09.2014 12:20, schrieb Severin Menard: How should we map the livestock pens in farmyards? barrier = fence And (IMHO): it should be a permanet installation and no temporary thing... Thanks for your answer. Sure for barrier=fence, but it does not say what is inside the fence. The houses have a fence for the people and those ones are for the animals. When it deals with potential epizootics, it is not the same thing. What about pen=yes or run=yes? (I do not find any occurrence in taginfo, though). livestocks=* would serve to mention the kind of penned animals. This should help: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=animal_keeping https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Danimal_keeping Best regards, Martin Actually we have used a landuse=livestocks so far and the issue is we cannot always draw their extent as they can be small (but mapping them remains important), what would lead to just put a node, but this is incompatible with the landuse key. And I do not feel logical to draw a polygon that does not represent the reality. I am wondering if for a node we could not use the combination of: animal_keeping=yes (or animal_keeping=pigs, goats, etc. as suggested animal_keeping:type=* as also suggested and if a polygon is doable: barrier=fence landuse=animal_keeping animal_keeping=pigs, goats, etc. as suggested animal_keeping:type=* as also suggested What do you think? Sincerely, Severin -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20140907/01ebf5d3/attachment-0001.html -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- End of Tagging Digest, Vol 60, Issue 18 *** ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens
FYI, according to taginfo (http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/landuse) landuse is already used 226 432 times on a node. So not everybody thinks it is incompatible with nodes. regards m On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Thanks for providing these links. My comments inline below. Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 14:00:00 +0200 From: Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens Message-ID: CAKjckOn Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:00 PM, cakjckypeq0dtrr-ydwb5hxve44pwmbznk4jy7rp7rwmekwk...@mail.gmail.com tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Re: Tag for livestocks pens (Martin Vonwald) Am 01.09.2014 12:20, schrieb Severin Menard: How should we map the livestock pens in farmyards? barrier = fence And (IMHO): it should be a permanet installation and no temporary thing... Thanks for your answer. Sure for barrier=fence, but it does not say what is inside the fence. The houses have a fence for the people and those ones are for the animals. When it deals with potential epizootics, it is not the same thing. What about pen=yes or run=yes? (I do not find any occurrence in taginfo, though). livestocks=* would serve to mention the kind of penned animals. This should help: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=animal_keeping https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Danimal_keeping Best regards, Martin Actually we have used a landuse=livestocks so far and the issue is we cannot always draw their extent as they can be small (but mapping them remains important), what would lead to just put a node, but this is incompatible with the landuse key. And I do not feel logical to draw a polygon that does not represent the reality. I am wondering if for a node we could not use the combination of: animal_keeping=yes (or animal_keeping=pigs, goats, etc. as suggested animal_keeping:type=* as also suggested and if a polygon is doable: barrier=fence landuse=animal_keeping animal_keeping=pigs, goats, etc. as suggested animal_keeping:type=* as also suggested What do you think? Sincerely, Severin -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20140907/01ebf5d3/attachment-0001.html -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- End of Tagging Digest, Vol 60, Issue 18 *** ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens
2014-09-08 14:24 GMT+02:00 Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com: Actually we have used a landuse=livestocks so far and the issue is we cannot always draw their extent as they can be small (but mapping them remains important), I think livestocks usually would classify as either farmland or farmyard landuse. I would not go for a subtype of these on the first level, but rather use something specific for the feature (like stable, grazing/pasture, henhouse etc.) and maybe also a subtag like farmland=livestock or farmland:type=livestock. Why did you choose the plural livestocks? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens
2014-09-08 14:44 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: FYI, according to taginfo (http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/landuse) landuse is already used 226 432 times on a node. So not everybody thinks it is incompatible with nodes. FYI, also area:highway is used occassionally on nodes, but it doesn't make any sense... area=yes is currently used on 3446 nodes ;-) cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens
Hi! 2014-09-06 9:17 GMT+02:00 Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com: Am 01.09.2014 12:20, schrieb Severin Menard: How should we map the livestock pens in farmyards? barrier = fence And (IMHO): it should be a permanet installation and no temporary thing... Thanks for your answer. Sure for barrier=fence, but it does not say what is inside the fence. The houses have a fence for the people and those ones are for the animals. When it deals with potential epizootics, it is not the same thing. What about pen=yes or run=yes? (I do not find any occurrence in taginfo, though). livestocks=* would serve to mention the kind of penned animals. This should help: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=animal_keeping https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Danimal_keeping Best regards, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens
Am 01.09.2014 12:20, schrieb Severin Menard: How should we map the livestock pens in farmyards? barrier = fence And (IMHO): it should be a permanet installation and no temporary thing... Thanks for your answer. Sure for barrier=fence, but it does not say what is inside the fence. The houses have a fence for the people and those ones are for the animals. When it deals with potential epizootics, it is not the same thing. What about pen=yes or run=yes? (I do not find any occurrence in taginfo, though). livestocks=* would serve to mention the kind of penned animals. Regarding the temporary aspect, it is permanent as anything can be permanent there when the houses are made of traditional materials (straw, mud or non heated bricks) and last only a few years, when they are not regularly wiped out when flooding (I am mapping in flood prone areas). Sincerely, Severin -- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 10:50:17 -0400 From: Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] include smoothness=* in JOSM presets? Message-ID: 5fa26a84-0a46-4d89-906b-06de69ec6...@7thposition.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 So I have some thoughts on smoothness… It’s not a terrible tag. I think if we just replace “usable by” with “suitable for” on the wiki, it would be a bit better. We all know that it’s certainly *possible* to take a road bike or inline skates down a pile of rocks, (I do it myself too). That doesn’t mean the map should suggest a person actually try it just because we insist on sticking to a very *literal* definition of “usable by. Try to think of people with wheelchairs, strollers, little kids on a bike with training wheels, etc. The text descriptions make sense to me. The pictures can be improved, and I’m happy to help with that — I have good pictures of all the different smoothness types. How should I proceed with this, just make the change? Thanks, Bryan On Sep 1, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: First, most of the people using presets (JOSM or ID) don't read the wiki. Tags have to be self-explanatory as much as possible. And even if you explain that smoothness=excellent is for roller blade, I know skaters that could use smoothness=good ways easily. And I'm still waiting some clarifications between very_bad and horrible... We also had long discussions about reducing/simplifying the list of values... I would also like to see at least one application using it, if any. I am not really happy about it, but I was unable to invent something better and it not as bad as say maxspeed:practical. Do we have to choose between bad and worse ? As already mentionned, the skater, biker or car driver will have a totally different idea/view of what a good or bad smoothness is for his means of transport. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 22:27:43 +0200 From: fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=* Message-ID: 5404d6bf.8070...@googlemail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Am 24.08.2014 17:10, schrieb Friedrich Volkmann: On 24.08.2014 13:31, Christian Quest wrote: In that case, how should application resolve housenumbers ? What tagging do you propose to allow it ? I wrote down some thoughts here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Multiple_addresses ...although I do now prefer addr2:* instead of addr[2]:*, because the former is more widely used and easier to understand. The easiest way for me still seems to place two nodes each with one address with in the building polygon (or on its perimeter with entrance=*) Concerning number ranges, I think that they should be mapped as they are (i.e. ranges), because that's how they are used in the real world (number plates, addresses in letters, etc.). Well, I had a closer look at my city and found all combinations: 1. two separate buildings with one entrance in common. 2. one housenumber as range (probably former two buildings/lots) 3. one housenumber as range on bigger polygons with single buildings with simple housenumber inside 4. one housenumber as range for multiple single housenumbers I'm working on the BANO project who aims to create a nationwide address database, using in part OSM data. I already have to deal with this kind of addr:housenumber=* For the moment, 265-269 is transformed into 265 and 269 only, but having some tag based clue that we have an odd number range meaning that 267 is located at the same place would be a real benefit. As the
Re: [Tagging] Tag for livestocks pens
Am 01.09.2014 12:20, schrieb Severin Menard: How should we map the livestock pens in farmyards? barrier = fence And (IMHO): it should be a permanet installation and no temporary thing... Cheers, Michael. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
