Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
I like that idea Martin, I've added a link to the playground tag for tagging individual pieces of equipment (if anyone feels the need to). Should I just start the voting by putting today's date, or do you think it should be left for more comments first? Thanks, Dom On 5 November 2013 14:57, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/5 Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com I think it's not such a good idea to use leisure=playground + fee=yes, since it most certainly is not a playground, but sure playgrounds really do span a very big range from a sandbox to extremely large contraptions . +1, I think his current proposal leisure=indoor_play is fine, I'd encourage mappers to add explicitly fee=yes/no/amount because otherwise (if fee is implied) we would have to invent another tag for those places that are non-commercial or offer this kind of service as included in the general entrance fee to a bigger place. It would be interesting to tag place where kids can play, many museums/science centers have that as well. IMHO the same tag could be used. I'd also add a link from the current proposal to this page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:playground because the tagging of the equipment could be the same than for leisure=playground where possible. CHeers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
It has occured to me that this seems to be more of something simliar to tourism=theme_park, yet smaller. I don't know if there is such a tag that is widespread or if it's better to use your own tag. I think it's not such a good idea to use leisure=playground + fee=yes, since it most certainly is not a playground, but sure playgrounds really do span a very big range from a sandbox to extremely large contraptions . I have now tagged two soft play centes with leisure=play_land which is a direct translation from Swedish. Feel free to adopt or change my tags. It would be interesting to tag place where kids can play, many museums/science centers have that as well. On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:30 PM, nounours kuessemondtaegl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dom, I don't know about voting ... But I read your interesting proposal. I completely agree that indoor-playgrounds should be mapped. In Switzerland, it seems that they are normally mapped as leisure=playground and indoor=yes, see example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1687169329 I personally think that keeping things together is better, so why not stay with playground? There are managed playgrounds, and there are indoor_play which are free. There are outdoor playgrounds with opening-hours So, why not use: Leisure=playground Indoor=yes|no Fee=yes|no Managed=yes|no Opening-hours=* Operatortype=public|private Operator=* etc. Maybe a template would help more than a new tag? Greetings, nounours Am 04.11.2013 um 14:07 schrieb Dominic Hosler: Hi everyone, It has been almost two weeks and the discussion seems to have died down. How long should it be left, before initiating a vote, and how long should a vote last on the proposal? This is the relevant wiki page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Indoor_play Thanks, Dom On 24 October 2013 14:23, Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com wrote: That's definitely better but I would make the description more generic, such as An indoor area for children to play and then make the padded aspects, cafe etc sub tags that can be added. The indoor_play tag should be able to be used by those in other countries who have similar facilities but minus the padding or cafe. The tage of indoor_play needs to be the umbrella tag. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 24/10/2013 12:13, Dominic Hosler wrote: Thanks, I feel a bit silly now, I didn't look hard enough. New page is at: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Indoor_play for anyone wanting another look. Thanks, Dom On 24 October 2013 12:04, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: Use the arrow down button on the upper right (next to the Search box) and choose 'Move'. -- Matthijs On 24 October 2013 12:59, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: I have updated the page to indoor play, but I don't know how to actually change the title of the page? Do I need to just delete that one and create a new proposal called Indoor play? Putting a note in the discussion that it has been migrated from the previous soft play proposal? Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 20:51, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: I agree we should move away from the trademarked title 'soft_play'. Perhaps if we keep the proposal and change the name of the tag to indoor_play, to include other types as well, as per brad's suggestion. We should also include sub tag qualifiers to specify if it's soft play and for what ages it's designed. I think it would be most appropriate to use indoor play considering its catch all nature and the fact that it is already used by a couple of websites. I will update the proposal and fill in the definition area, I must have just missed it. However, I won't update it till tomorrow because I only have my phone until then. Thanks, Dom Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, we need to choose a term that is more generic, maybe leisure=childrens_adventure or kids_play or kids_amusement. There can always be a sub tag defining soft_play? Especially considering that a lot of softplay areas are now included among other internal children's play features? Softplay is just one bit. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 23/10/2013 17:47, Brad Neuhauser wrote: Instead of soft play, what about indoor play (or indoor play area/centre)? 1) it seems to be used as a catch all sometimes, even in the UK (ie - http://www.timeout.com/london/events/indoor-play-centres-in-london or http://www.dayoutwiththekids.co.uk/things-to-do-family/Northampton/Indoor-Play-Areas) 2) it is broad enough to cover all of these sort of places, since some indoor play areas may only have some actual soft play equipment meant for younger kids/toddlers (or, if you are only meaning the actual areas that have the soft play equipment, then that might be different) 3) it might make more sense for those outside the UK who don't use
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
2013/11/5 Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com I think it's not such a good idea to use leisure=playground + fee=yes, since it most certainly is not a playground, but sure playgrounds really do span a very big range from a sandbox to extremely large contraptions . +1, I think his current proposal leisure=indoor_play is fine, I'd encourage mappers to add explicitly fee=yes/no/amount because otherwise (if fee is implied) we would have to invent another tag for those places that are non-commercial or offer this kind of service as included in the general entrance fee to a bigger place. It would be interesting to tag place where kids can play, many museums/science centers have that as well. IMHO the same tag could be used. I'd also add a link from the current proposal to this page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:playground because the tagging of the equipment could be the same than for leisure=playground where possible. CHeers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
Hi everyone, It has been almost two weeks and the discussion seems to have died down. How long should it be left, before initiating a vote, and how long should a vote last on the proposal? This is the relevant wiki page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Indoor_play Thanks, Dom On 24 October 2013 14:23, Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com wrote: That's definitely better but I would make the description more generic, such as An indoor area for children to play and then make the padded aspects, cafe etc sub tags that can be added. The indoor_play tag should be able to be used by those in other countries who have similar facilities but minus the padding or cafe. The tage of indoor_play needs to be the umbrella tag. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 24/10/2013 12:13, Dominic Hosler wrote: Thanks, I feel a bit silly now, I didn't look hard enough. New page is at: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Indoor_play for anyone wanting another look. Thanks, Dom On 24 October 2013 12:04, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: Use the arrow down button on the upper right (next to the Search box) and choose 'Move'. -- Matthijs On 24 October 2013 12:59, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: I have updated the page to indoor play, but I don't know how to actually change the title of the page? Do I need to just delete that one and create a new proposal called Indoor play? Putting a note in the discussion that it has been migrated from the previous soft play proposal? Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 20:51, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: I agree we should move away from the trademarked title 'soft_play'. Perhaps if we keep the proposal and change the name of the tag to indoor_play, to include other types as well, as per brad's suggestion. We should also include sub tag qualifiers to specify if it's soft play and for what ages it's designed. I think it would be most appropriate to use indoor play considering its catch all nature and the fact that it is already used by a couple of websites. I will update the proposal and fill in the definition area, I must have just missed it. However, I won't update it till tomorrow because I only have my phone until then. Thanks, Dom Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, we need to choose a term that is more generic, maybe leisure=childrens_adventure or kids_play or kids_amusement. There can always be a sub tag defining soft_play? Especially considering that a lot of softplay areas are now included among other internal children's play features? Softplay is just one bit. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 23/10/2013 17:47, Brad Neuhauser wrote: Instead of soft play, what about indoor play (or indoor play area/centre)? 1) it seems to be used as a catch all sometimes, even in the UK (ie - http://www.timeout.com/london/events/indoor-play-centres-in-london or http://www.dayoutwiththekids.co.uk/things-to-do-family/Northampton/Indoor-Play-Areas) 2) it is broad enough to cover all of these sort of places, since some indoor play areas may only have some actual soft play equipment meant for younger kids/toddlers (or, if you are only meaning the actual areas that have the soft play equipment, then that might be different) 3) it might make more sense for those outside the UK who don't use the term soft play much Brad On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: Due to child protection, you are generally not allowed to take pictures inside the soft-play centres. Also, any official pictures are copyrighted. In the proposal, I linked to a few websites of some soft play centres, where they have pictures, I hoped this would be fine. Soft play is as Jonathan said, padding not inflatables. Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 14:31, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Would they qualify as soft play? No, that's a bouncy castle. Soft play is padding, not inflatables. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
Hi Dom, I don't know about voting ... But I read your interesting proposal. I completely agree that indoor-playgrounds should be mapped. In Switzerland, it seems that they are normally mapped as leisure=playground and indoor=yes, see example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1687169329 I personally think that keeping things together is better, so why not stay with playground? There are managed playgrounds, and there are indoor_play which are free. There are outdoor playgrounds with opening-hours So, why not use: Leisure=playground Indoor=yes|no Fee=yes|no Managed=yes|no Opening-hours=* Operatortype=public|private Operator=* etc. Maybe a template would help more than a new tag? Greetings, nounours Am 04.11.2013 um 14:07 schrieb Dominic Hosler: Hi everyone, It has been almost two weeks and the discussion seems to have died down. How long should it be left, before initiating a vote, and how long should a vote last on the proposal? This is the relevant wiki page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Indoor_play Thanks, Dom On 24 October 2013 14:23, Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com wrote: That's definitely better but I would make the description more generic, such as An indoor area for children to play and then make the padded aspects, cafe etc sub tags that can be added. The indoor_play tag should be able to be used by those in other countries who have similar facilities but minus the padding or cafe. The tage of indoor_play needs to be the umbrella tag. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 24/10/2013 12:13, Dominic Hosler wrote: Thanks, I feel a bit silly now, I didn't look hard enough. New page is at: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Indoor_play for anyone wanting another look. Thanks, Dom On 24 October 2013 12:04, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: Use the arrow down button on the upper right (next to the Search box) and choose 'Move'. -- Matthijs On 24 October 2013 12:59, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: I have updated the page to indoor play, but I don't know how to actually change the title of the page? Do I need to just delete that one and create a new proposal called Indoor play? Putting a note in the discussion that it has been migrated from the previous soft play proposal? Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 20:51, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: I agree we should move away from the trademarked title 'soft_play'. Perhaps if we keep the proposal and change the name of the tag to indoor_play, to include other types as well, as per brad's suggestion. We should also include sub tag qualifiers to specify if it's soft play and for what ages it's designed. I think it would be most appropriate to use indoor play considering its catch all nature and the fact that it is already used by a couple of websites. I will update the proposal and fill in the definition area, I must have just missed it. However, I won't update it till tomorrow because I only have my phone until then. Thanks, Dom Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, we need to choose a term that is more generic, maybe leisure=childrens_adventure or kids_play or kids_amusement. There can always be a sub tag defining soft_play? Especially considering that a lot of softplay areas are now included among other internal children's play features? Softplay is just one bit. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 23/10/2013 17:47, Brad Neuhauser wrote: Instead of soft play, what about indoor play (or indoor play area/centre)? 1) it seems to be used as a catch all sometimes, even in the UK (ie - http://www.timeout.com/london/events/indoor-play-centres-in-london or http://www.dayoutwiththekids.co.uk/things-to-do-family/Northampton/Indoor-Play-Areas) 2) it is broad enough to cover all of these sort of places, since some indoor play areas may only have some actual soft play equipment meant for younger kids/toddlers (or, if you are only meaning the actual areas that have the soft play equipment, then that might be different) 3) it might make more sense for those outside the UK who don't use the term soft play much Brad On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: Due to child protection, you are generally not allowed to take pictures inside the soft-play centres. Also, any official pictures are copyrighted. In the proposal, I linked to a few websites of some soft play centres, where they have pictures, I hoped this would be fine. Soft play is as Jonathan said, padding not inflatables. Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 14:31, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Would they qualify as soft play? No, that's a bouncy castle. Soft play is padding, not inflatables.
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
I have updated the page to indoor play, but I don't know how to actually change the title of the page? Do I need to just delete that one and create a new proposal called Indoor play? Putting a note in the discussion that it has been migrated from the previous soft play proposal? Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 20:51, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: I agree we should move away from the trademarked title 'soft_play'. Perhaps if we keep the proposal and change the name of the tag to indoor_play, to include other types as well, as per brad's suggestion. We should also include sub tag qualifiers to specify if it's soft play and for what ages it's designed. I think it would be most appropriate to use indoor play considering its catch all nature and the fact that it is already used by a couple of websites. I will update the proposal and fill in the definition area, I must have just missed it. However, I won't update it till tomorrow because I only have my phone until then. Thanks, Dom Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, we need to choose a term that is more generic, maybe leisure=childrens_adventure or kids_play or kids_amusement. There can always be a sub tag defining soft_play? Especially considering that a lot of softplay areas are now included among other internal children's play features? Softplay is just one bit. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 23/10/2013 17:47, Brad Neuhauser wrote: Instead of soft play, what about indoor play (or indoor play area/centre)? 1) it seems to be used as a catch all sometimes, even in the UK (ie - http://www.timeout.com/london/events/indoor-play-centres-in-london or http://www.dayoutwiththekids.co.uk/things-to-do-family/Northampton/Indoor-Play-Areas) 2) it is broad enough to cover all of these sort of places, since some indoor play areas may only have some actual soft play equipment meant for younger kids/toddlers (or, if you are only meaning the actual areas that have the soft play equipment, then that might be different) 3) it might make more sense for those outside the UK who don't use the term soft play much Brad On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: Due to child protection, you are generally not allowed to take pictures inside the soft-play centres. Also, any official pictures are copyrighted. In the proposal, I linked to a few websites of some soft play centres, where they have pictures, I hoped this would be fine. Soft play is as Jonathan said, padding not inflatables. Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 14:31, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Would they qualify as soft play? No, that's a bouncy castle. Soft play is padding, not inflatables. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
Use the arrow down button on the upper right (next to the Search box) and choose 'Move'. -- Matthijs On 24 October 2013 12:59, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: I have updated the page to indoor play, but I don't know how to actually change the title of the page? Do I need to just delete that one and create a new proposal called Indoor play? Putting a note in the discussion that it has been migrated from the previous soft play proposal? Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 20:51, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: I agree we should move away from the trademarked title 'soft_play'. Perhaps if we keep the proposal and change the name of the tag to indoor_play, to include other types as well, as per brad's suggestion. We should also include sub tag qualifiers to specify if it's soft play and for what ages it's designed. I think it would be most appropriate to use indoor play considering its catch all nature and the fact that it is already used by a couple of websites. I will update the proposal and fill in the definition area, I must have just missed it. However, I won't update it till tomorrow because I only have my phone until then. Thanks, Dom Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, we need to choose a term that is more generic, maybe leisure=childrens_adventure or kids_play or kids_amusement. There can always be a sub tag defining soft_play? Especially considering that a lot of softplay areas are now included among other internal children's play features? Softplay is just one bit. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 23/10/2013 17:47, Brad Neuhauser wrote: Instead of soft play, what about indoor play (or indoor play area/centre)? 1) it seems to be used as a catch all sometimes, even in the UK (ie - http://www.timeout.com/london/events/indoor-play-centres-in-london or http://www.dayoutwiththekids.co.uk/things-to-do-family/Northampton/Indoor-Play-Areas) 2) it is broad enough to cover all of these sort of places, since some indoor play areas may only have some actual soft play equipment meant for younger kids/toddlers (or, if you are only meaning the actual areas that have the soft play equipment, then that might be different) 3) it might make more sense for those outside the UK who don't use the term soft play much Brad On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: Due to child protection, you are generally not allowed to take pictures inside the soft-play centres. Also, any official pictures are copyrighted. In the proposal, I linked to a few websites of some soft play centres, where they have pictures, I hoped this would be fine. Soft play is as Jonathan said, padding not inflatables. Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 14:31, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Would they qualify as soft play? No, that's a bouncy castle. Soft play is padding, not inflatables. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
Thanks, I feel a bit silly now, I didn't look hard enough. New page is at: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Indoor_play for anyone wanting another look. Thanks, Dom On 24 October 2013 12:04, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: Use the arrow down button on the upper right (next to the Search box) and choose 'Move'. -- Matthijs On 24 October 2013 12:59, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: I have updated the page to indoor play, but I don't know how to actually change the title of the page? Do I need to just delete that one and create a new proposal called Indoor play? Putting a note in the discussion that it has been migrated from the previous soft play proposal? Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 20:51, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: I agree we should move away from the trademarked title 'soft_play'. Perhaps if we keep the proposal and change the name of the tag to indoor_play, to include other types as well, as per brad's suggestion. We should also include sub tag qualifiers to specify if it's soft play and for what ages it's designed. I think it would be most appropriate to use indoor play considering its catch all nature and the fact that it is already used by a couple of websites. I will update the proposal and fill in the definition area, I must have just missed it. However, I won't update it till tomorrow because I only have my phone until then. Thanks, Dom Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, we need to choose a term that is more generic, maybe leisure=childrens_adventure or kids_play or kids_amusement. There can always be a sub tag defining soft_play? Especially considering that a lot of softplay areas are now included among other internal children's play features? Softplay is just one bit. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 23/10/2013 17:47, Brad Neuhauser wrote: Instead of soft play, what about indoor play (or indoor play area/centre)? 1) it seems to be used as a catch all sometimes, even in the UK (ie - http://www.timeout.com/london/events/indoor-play-centres-in-london or http://www.dayoutwiththekids.co.uk/things-to-do-family/Northampton/Indoor-Play-Areas) 2) it is broad enough to cover all of these sort of places, since some indoor play areas may only have some actual soft play equipment meant for younger kids/toddlers (or, if you are only meaning the actual areas that have the soft play equipment, then that might be different) 3) it might make more sense for those outside the UK who don't use the term soft play much Brad On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: Due to child protection, you are generally not allowed to take pictures inside the soft-play centres. Also, any official pictures are copyrighted. In the proposal, I linked to a few websites of some soft play centres, where they have pictures, I hoped this would be fine. Soft play is as Jonathan said, padding not inflatables. Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 14:31, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Would they qualify as soft play? No, that's a bouncy castle. Soft play is padding, not inflatables. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
That's definitely better but I would make the description more generic, such as An indoor area for children to play and then make the padded aspects, cafe etc sub tags that can be added. The indoor_play tag should be able to be used by those in other countries who have similar facilities but minus the padding or cafe. The tage of indoor_play needs to be the umbrella tag. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 24/10/2013 12:13, Dominic Hosler wrote: Thanks, I feel a bit silly now, I didn't look hard enough. New page is at: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Indoor_play for anyone wanting another look. Thanks, Dom On 24 October 2013 12:04, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: Use the arrow down button on the upper right (next to the Search box) and choose 'Move'. -- Matthijs On 24 October 2013 12:59, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: I have updated the page to indoor play, but I don't know how to actually change the title of the page? Do I need to just delete that one and create a new proposal called Indoor play? Putting a note in the discussion that it has been migrated from the previous soft play proposal? Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 20:51, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: I agree we should move away from the trademarked title 'soft_play'. Perhaps if we keep the proposal and change the name of the tag to indoor_play, to include other types as well, as per brad's suggestion. We should also include sub tag qualifiers to specify if it's soft play and for what ages it's designed. I think it would be most appropriate to use indoor play considering its catch all nature and the fact that it is already used by a couple of websites. I will update the proposal and fill in the definition area, I must have just missed it. However, I won't update it till tomorrow because I only have my phone until then. Thanks, Dom Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, we need to choose a term that is more generic, maybe leisure=childrens_adventure or kids_play or kids_amusement. There can always be a sub tag defining soft_play? Especially considering that a lot of softplay areas are now included among other internal children's play features? Softplay is just one bit. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 23/10/2013 17:47, Brad Neuhauser wrote: Instead of soft play, what about indoor play (or indoor play area/centre)? 1) it seems to be used as a catch all sometimes, even in the UK (ie - http://www.timeout.com/london/events/indoor-play-centres-in-london or http://www.dayoutwiththekids.co.uk/things-to-do-family/Northampton/Indoor-Play-Areas) 2) it is broad enough to cover all of these sort of places, since some indoor play areas may only have some actual soft play equipment meant for younger kids/toddlers (or, if you are only meaning the actual areas that have the soft play equipment, then that might be different) 3) it might make more sense for those outside the UK who don't use the term soft play much Brad On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: Due to child protection, you are generally not allowed to take pictures inside the soft-play centres. Also, any official pictures are copyrighted. In the proposal, I linked to a few websites of some soft play centres, where they have pictures, I hoped this would be fine. Soft play is as Jonathan said, padding not inflatables. Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 14:31, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Would they qualify as soft play? No, that's a bouncy castle. Soft play is padding, not inflatables. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
I have just realised the link is broken. I am sending the correct link here https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Soft_play I look forward to hearing your views on this proposal. Thank you, Dominic. --- Dominic Hosler dominichosler at gmail.com Tue Oct 22 15:43:34 UTC 2013 Hi, I have just proposed a tag to use for soft play centres. This tag is leisure=soft_play and I detailed it in this proposal https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Soft_play. There is not currently a tag that covers the usage requirements that this one does. I have already used this tag on a couple of soft play centres. I would welcome your comments on how I could improve the proposal. Thank you, Dominic. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
First of all, I can confirm such centres exist in the Netherlands and Luxembourg as well. So far I have tagged them as lesiure=playground, building=yes. I never heard of the name 'soft play centre', though, and I was not able to guess from the title what the proposal was about. Is there no name friendlier for non-natives? The Luxembourgish one calls itself an indoor playground, by the way. I think the proposal would benefit from a more precise definition. You mention that soft play areas are often supervised, are often indoors, and are often paid. So how should playgrounds be tagged that are supervised, paid, and outdoors? Or supervised, free, and indoors? Compare also the recent discussion about play rooms. Also, the word 'supervision' might be confusing, because although there is staff present, I think soft play centres still require that the parents stay around (as opposed to a creche). An alternative would be, of course, to add tags like staffed=yes, fee=yes, and indoor=yes to the playground tag. That might be easier, because it might not be easy to draw a hard line between playgrounds and soft play centres. But if you can come up with a good definition that distinguishes them, I support your proposal. -- Matthijs On 23 October 2013 13:25, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: I have just realised the link is broken. I am sending the correct link here https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Soft_play I look forward to hearing your views on this proposal. Thank you, Dominic. --- Dominic Hosler dominichosler at gmail.com Tue Oct 22 15:43:34 UTC 2013 Hi, I have just proposed a tag to use for soft play centres. This tag is leisure=soft_play and I detailed it in this proposal https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Soft_play. There is not currently a tag that covers the usage requirements that this one does. I have already used this tag on a couple of soft play centres. I would welcome your comments on how I could improve the proposal. Thank you, Dominic. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
On 23/10/2013 12:55, Matthijs Melissen wrote: I think the proposal would benefit from a more precise definition. Or you could just tag the ones you find using this perfectly sensible tag and not worry about it. In the UK a Soft Play is a well-recognised and well-defined concept. If that concept doesn't exist elsewhere, fine, but don't stop this mapper from recording information because you don't like what colour the bikeshed is. J. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
On 22/10/2013 16:43, Dominic Hosler wrote: I have just proposed a tag to use for soft play centres. Looks absolutely fine. There are times when I'd use it on a node when the soft play is just one part of a larger building, but that's pretty much standard OSM practice anyway. Don't worry about having to explicity specify which other tags you can use with this one, since editor presets will take care of many of them anyway. I'd just carry on mapping using this tag. J. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
On 23 October 2013 14:01, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: In the UK a Soft Play is a well-recognised and well-defined concept. If that concept doesn't exist elsewhere, fine, but don't stop this mapper from recording information because you don't like what colour the bikeshed is. I think that's too much of a UK-centric way of thinking, which we should avoid. I agree that for the UK, a precise definition is not necessary, because we can simply tag everything leisure=soft_play that is called 'soft play'. However, it seems that the US does not use this term, let alone non-English speaking countries. Other countries might have similar (but perhaps not entirely equivalent) concepts. I believe we need some kind of definition that makes clear how the English concept 'soft play' maps to the variety of playgrounds other countries have. In the Netherlands, for example, there are paid and staffed outdoor playing grounds. Currently, I have no idea whether such playgrounds would fall under the English definition of 'soft play'. -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
My understanding of a soft play area would not work outdoors, at least not in Northern Europe where it rains. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 23/10/2013 13:22 Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 23 October 2013 14:01, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: In the UK a Soft Play is a well-recognised and well-defined concept. If that concept doesn't exist elsewhere, fine, but don't stop this mapper from recording information because you don't like what colour the bikeshed is. I think that's too much of a UK-centric way of thinking, which we should avoid. I agree that for the UK, a precise definition is not necessary, because we can simply tag everything leisure=soft_play that is called 'soft play'. However, it seems that the US does not use this term, let alone non-English speaking countries. Other countries might have similar (but perhaps not entirely equivalent) concepts. I believe we need some kind of definition that makes clear how the English concept 'soft play' maps to the variety of playgrounds other countries have. In the Netherlands, for example, there are paid and staffed outdoor playing grounds. Currently, I have no idea whether such playgrounds would fall under the English definition of 'soft play'. -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list jonobenn...@gmail.com https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
Hi, I agree with Matthijs that we should avoid a UK centric mode of thought, which is why I stated I didn't know if this type of thing exists elsewhere. Apparently it does exist elsewhere, but not in exactly the same way. I have just remembered a soft play centre, that includes all parts of a soft play centre but also includes an outdoor play area (for when the weather's nice - it's in south Wales). In this particular case, I mapped the building as soft play, and the outside area as a playground, with extra tags on the playground, make it clear that it belongs as part of the centre. I think it would be a good idea to put a clearer definition to what in the UK we call a 'soft play centre' so that people from other countries can use the tag to map similar locations. To clarify, soft play centres are not supervised, they are staffed. Parents are expected to supervise their children. I will change this wording in the proposal. I will also add that it can be used on nodes when the soft play centre is just a small part of a larger building. I think in my opinion the distinction between a playground and a soft play centre is that a playground generally has a hard ground (or sometimes rubbery), whereas a soft play centre (in the play area) has a padded ground. In a soft play centre all the equipment to climb on is padded and soft. A playground, most of the equipment is hard (wood, metal or fibreglass). For me, this is the main distinction. As a side note, the reason (I guess) most soft play centres are businesses that charge, is that the padding needs attention to keep it clean and in good condition. Playgrounds can be ignored by the owners / maintainers for many months without damage. I will add this into the proposal page on the wiki, thank you for your input. Dominic. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
There are centers like this in Germany, mostly just called indoor playground. (I haven't seen one so far, but I heard awful stories from parents all around.) The term soft play wasn't known to me and I didn't think of child's entertainment when I read it (actually, I thought the opposite). There is also no wikipedia entry for this. After reading the proposal, I knew what was meant and I have a clear idea what to tag and what not. But I still find the focus on the quality of material used (both in the name and in the definition) a bit odd. What if there is a toy not made of soft stuff? Like an old-fashioned merry-go-round? Does this mean the place is called (and tagged) differently? I would propose to keep the name (because it seems to be a fixed UK term fair enough), but to ditch the soft play toys stuff from the definition to allow all indoor playgrounds to be tagged with this and to make this understandable to non-UK mappers. (I would also be OK with indoor_playground or simply indoor=yes for normal leisure=playground tags, but I'm sure the original poster wants to keep the similarity of UK name and tag). my 2 cents Chaos 2013/10/23 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk My understanding of a soft play area would not work outdoors, at least not in Northern Europe where it rains. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 23/10/2013 13:22 Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 23 October 2013 14:01, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: In the UK a Soft Play is a well-recognised and well-defined concept. If that concept doesn't exist elsewhere, fine, but don't stop this mapper from recording information because you don't like what colour the bikeshed is. I think that's too much of a UK-centric way of thinking, which we should avoid. I agree that for the UK, a precise definition is not necessary, because we can simply tag everything leisure=soft_play that is called 'soft play'. However, it seems that the US does not use this term, let alone non-English speaking countries. Other countries might have similar (but perhaps not entirely equivalent) concepts. I believe we need some kind of definition that makes clear how the English concept 'soft play' maps to the variety of playgrounds other countries have. In the Netherlands, for example, there are paid and staffed outdoor playing grounds. Currently, I have no idea whether such playgrounds would fall under the English definition of 'soft play'. -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list jonobenn...@gmail.com https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
Hi Chaos, I have just added clarification as to the distinction between soft play and playgrounds. I agree that if there was an old fashioned merry-go-round inside a building then it wouldn't be soft play, and would be called and tagged differently. For example, with a leisure=playground and indoor=yes set of tags. The reliance on the 'softness' of the material in the definition is very much required, because that is the property that defines a soft play centre. I wasn't aware that Wikipedia was missing an entry for this, perhaps an activity for another day... Thanks, Dominic On 23 October 2013 13:55, Ronnie Soak chaoschaos0...@googlemail.com wrote: There are centers like this in Germany, mostly just called indoor playground. (I haven't seen one so far, but I heard awful stories from parents all around.) The term soft play wasn't known to me and I didn't think of child's entertainment when I read it (actually, I thought the opposite). There is also no wikipedia entry for this. After reading the proposal, I knew what was meant and I have a clear idea what to tag and what not. But I still find the focus on the quality of material used (both in the name and in the definition) a bit odd. What if there is a toy not made of soft stuff? Like an old-fashioned merry-go-round? Does this mean the place is called (and tagged) differently? I would propose to keep the name (because it seems to be a fixed UK term fair enough), but to ditch the soft play toys stuff from the definition to allow all indoor playgrounds to be tagged with this and to make this understandable to non-UK mappers. (I would also be OK with indoor_playground or simply indoor=yes for normal leisure=playground tags, but I'm sure the original poster wants to keep the similarity of UK name and tag). my 2 cents Chaos 2013/10/23 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk My understanding of a soft play area would not work outdoors, at least not in Northern Europe where it rains. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 23/10/2013 13:22 Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 23 October 2013 14:01, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: In the UK a Soft Play is a well-recognised and well-defined concept. If that concept doesn't exist elsewhere, fine, but don't stop this mapper from recording information because you don't like what colour the bikeshed is. I think that's too much of a UK-centric way of thinking, which we should avoid. I agree that for the UK, a precise definition is not necessary, because we can simply tag everything leisure=soft_play that is called 'soft play'. However, it seems that the US does not use this term, let alone non-English speaking countries. Other countries might have similar (but perhaps not entirely equivalent) concepts. I believe we need some kind of definition that makes clear how the English concept 'soft play' maps to the variety of playgrounds other countries have. In the Netherlands, for example, there are paid and staffed outdoor playing grounds. Currently, I have no idea whether such playgrounds would fall under the English definition of 'soft play'. -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list jonobenn...@gmail.com https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
2013/10/23 Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com I think in my opinion the distinction between a playground and a soft play centre is that a playground generally has a hard ground (or sometimes rubbery), whereas a soft play centre (in the play area) has a padded ground. In a soft play centre all the equipment to climb on is padded and soft. A playground, most of the equipment is hard (wood, metal or fibreglass). For me, this is the main distinction. Thanks for the clarification. So the material used *really* makes the differences. Ok. This will most definitely limit the number of use cases, at least here in Germany. offtopic I really don't get the concept. Why would you want to create a thing like that? Why would you go there instead of a real playground? I can imagine a thousand injuries that can happen even *if* everything around you is padded. Especially if two or more children are involved. There are always some hard bits. They are called skull, bone and teeth. And there are a lot of injuries that don't involve hard impacts at all, like dislocations, strangulations etc.. So if there is risk anyway, why don't have some fun with it? Go out, climb a try, fall from one, climb up again .. grumpyoldmanshakescane / /offtopic more like 142 cents Chaos ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
2013/10/23 Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com I have just realised the link is broken. I am sending the correct link here https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Soft_play I look forward to hearing your views on this proposal. Maybe a picture would help. Are these pneumatic structures? We use to have a lot of these blown up plastic piles in Italy, though they are mostly outdoors. Maybe the outdoor/indoor aspect (like the building) has more to do with the climate than with the feature? This is a picture of one of these to check if we are speaking about the same stuff: http://www.barkhofen-kinderkarussell.de/files/Huepfburgen/Huepfburg_Zauberschloss_1_g.jpg Would they qualify as soft play? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Would they qualify as soft play? No, that's a bouncy castle. Soft play is padding, not inflatables. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
2013/10/23 Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com Hi Chaos, I have just added clarification as to the distinction between soft play and playgrounds. I agree that if there was an old fashioned merry-go-round inside a building then it wouldn't be soft play, and would be called and tagged differently. For example, with a leisure=playground and indoor=yes set of tags. yes it could be an alternative to your proposal to see this as a kind of playground, and use a subtype (e.g. playground:type=soft_play) but the fact that they are all indoors, are all soft play and require all to pay an entrance fee IMHO confirms your choice for a new main tag, as the average playground is usually the opposite for these characteristics. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
Due to child protection, you are generally not allowed to take pictures inside the soft-play centres. Also, any official pictures are copyrighted. In the proposal, I linked to a few websites of some soft play centres, where they have pictures, I hoped this would be fine. Soft play is as Jonathan said, padding not inflatables. Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 14:31, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Would they qualify as soft play? No, that's a bouncy castle. Soft play is padding, not inflatables. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
A number of shopping malls in the U.S. have indoor playgrounds that consist of soft sculptures (vinyl or soft plastic over padded/flexible frames) amid padded flooring. They are free, not attended but cleaned regularly. A link to an article about such a playground: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/5/prweb10675755.htm .Would you mark these a soft-play centre under your proposal or how would you tag them? Murry On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.comwrote: Due to child protection, you are generally not allowed to take pictures inside the soft-play centres. Also, any official pictures are copyrighted. In the proposal, I linked to a few websites of some soft play centres, where they have pictures, I hoped this would be fine. Soft play is as Jonathan said, padding not inflatables. Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 14:31, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Would they qualify as soft play? No, that's a bouncy castle. Soft play is padding, not inflatables. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
Instead of soft play, what about indoor play (or indoor play area/centre)? 1) it seems to be used as a catch all sometimes, even in the UK (ie - http://www.timeout.com/london/events/indoor-play-centres-in-london or http://www.dayoutwiththekids.co.uk/things-to-do-family/Northampton/Indoor-Play-Areas ) 2) it is broad enough to cover all of these sort of places, since some indoor play areas may only have some actual soft play equipment meant for younger kids/toddlers (or, if you are only meaning the actual areas that have the soft play equipment, then that might be different) 3) it might make more sense for those outside the UK who don't use the term soft play much Brad On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.comwrote: Due to child protection, you are generally not allowed to take pictures inside the soft-play centres. Also, any official pictures are copyrighted. In the proposal, I linked to a few websites of some soft play centres, where they have pictures, I hoped this would be fine. Soft play is as Jonathan said, padding not inflatables. Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 14:31, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Would they qualify as soft play? No, that's a bouncy castle. Soft play is padding, not inflatables. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
Soft Play and Softplay are registered trademarks in the United States with United States and International coverage. Trademarks held by this firm: http://www.softplay.com Murry ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
Murry McEntire murry.mcent...@gmail.com wrote: Soft Play and Softplay are registered trademarks in the United States with United States and International coverage. Trademarks held by this firm: http://www.softplay.com Murry ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging In that case, tagging any play area with similiar equipment, but not using that company's equipment, would possibly lead to that company taking legal action to force OSM to change the tags, at least in the USA. Use of a non-trademarked term would be preferable. Under US law, a trademark holder must take legal action against any infringing use of the trademark, or risk a court decision that the trademark holder has released the trademark into the public domain, meaning that it is now open for anyone's use. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
Gives you a good idea what they are: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=softplayclient=firefox-ahs=U7Prls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialsource=lnmstbm=ischsa=Xei=CSBoUpT_B4S57AbYy4Aoved=0CAkQ_AUoAQbiw=1366bih=589 Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Maybe a picture would help. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
These pictures also seem to include small play grounds in people's homes, and perhaps in shopping centres as well. I suppose small playgrounds in shopping centres (either supervised, like in Ikea, or unsupervised, like in McDonalds) are not intended to be included in this tag? I noticed by the way that the definition field on the proposal tag is left empty. Even if the proposer decides not give a precise definition, I think the definition field should be filled in (before voting), because this field is also used in websites like Taginfo. -- Matthijs On 23 October 2013 21:15, Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com wrote: Gives you a good idea what they are: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=softplayclient=firefox-ahs=U7Prls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialsource=lnmstbm=ischsa=Xei=CSBoUpT_B4S57AbYy4Aoved=0CAkQ_AUoAQbiw=1366bih=589 Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Maybe a picture would help. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
I agree, we need to choose a term that is more generic, maybe leisure=childrens_adventure or kids_play or kids_amusement. There can always be a sub tag defining soft_play? Especially considering that a lot of softplay areas are now included among other internal children's play features? Softplay is just one bit. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 23/10/2013 17:47, Brad Neuhauser wrote: Instead of soft play, what about indoor play (or indoor play area/centre)? 1) it seems to be used as a catch all sometimes, even in the UK (ie - http://www.timeout.com/london/events/indoor-play-centres-in-london or http://www.dayoutwiththekids.co.uk/things-to-do-family/Northampton/Indoor-Play-Areas) 2) it is broad enough to cover all of these sort of places, since some indoor play areas may only have some actual soft play equipment meant for younger kids/toddlers (or, if you are only meaning the actual areas that have the soft play equipment, then that might be different) 3) it might make more sense for those outside the UK who don't use the term soft play much Brad On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com mailto:dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: Due to child protection, you are generally not allowed to take pictures inside the soft-play centres. Also, any official pictures are copyrighted. In the proposal, I linked to a few websites of some soft play centres, where they have pictures, I hoped this would be fine. Soft play is as Jonathan said, padding not inflatables. Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 14:31, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com mailto:jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Would they qualify as soft play? No, that's a bouncy castle. Soft play is padding, not inflatables. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
I agree we should move away from the trademarked title 'soft_play'. Perhaps if we keep the proposal and change the name of the tag to indoor_play, to include other types as well, as per brad's suggestion. We should also include sub tag qualifiers to specify if it's soft play and for what ages it's designed. I think it would be most appropriate to use indoor play considering its catch all nature and the fact that it is already used by a couple of websites. I will update the proposal and fill in the definition area, I must have just missed it. However, I won't update it till tomorrow because I only have my phone until then. Thanks, Dom Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, we need to choose a term that is more generic, maybe leisure=childrens_adventure or kids_play or kids_amusement. There can always be a sub tag defining soft_play? Especially considering that a lot of softplay areas are now included among other internal children's play features? Softplay is just one bit. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 23/10/2013 17:47, Brad Neuhauser wrote: Instead of soft play, what about indoor play (or indoor play area/centre)? 1) it seems to be used as a catch all sometimes, even in the UK (ie - http://www.timeout.com/london/events/indoor-play-centres-in-london or http://www.dayoutwiththekids.co.uk/things-to-do-family/Northampton/Indoor-Play-Areas) 2) it is broad enough to cover all of these sort of places, since some indoor play areas may only have some actual soft play equipment meant for younger kids/toddlers (or, if you are only meaning the actual areas that have the soft play equipment, then that might be different) 3) it might make more sense for those outside the UK who don't use the term soft play much Brad On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com mailto:dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: Due to child protection, you are generally not allowed to take pictures inside the soft-play centres. Also, any official pictures are copyrighted. In the proposal, I linked to a few websites of some soft play centres, where they have pictures, I hoped this would be fine. Soft play is as Jonathan said, padding not inflatables. Thanks, Dom On 23 October 2013 14:31, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com mailto:jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Would they qualify as soft play? No, that's a bouncy castle. Soft play is padding, not inflatables. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres
Hi, I have just proposed a tag to use for soft play centres. This tag is leisure=soft_play and I detailed it in this proposal https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Soft_play. There is not currently a tag that covers the usage requirements that this one does. I have already used this tag on a couple of soft play centres. I would welcome your comments on how I could improve the proposal. Thank you, Dominic. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
