Re: [GTALUG] Data backup recommendations?

[Howard Gibson via talk]

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 22:50:57 -0400
lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Lennart Sorensen) wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 10:05:31PM -0400, Howard Gibson via talk wrote:
> >Why not buy a second hard drive?  My nightly backup is a 4TB drive. 
> > "Personal" means the data does not leave my house.  I export my backups 
> > periodically to a 50GB Blu-Ray disc.  My backup is a Bourne shell script 
> > that eventually calls up tar.  
> 
> If it's only in one location, you have no backup. :)
> 
> If it has to be manually connected and manual steps taken, most people
> will not remember to do it.

Lennart,

   Run a cron job.  My backups to Blu-Ray are manual.

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Re: [GTALUG] Data backup recommendations?

[Lennart Sorensen via talk]

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 02:02:21PM -0400, Howard Gibson via talk wrote:
>If my house and all around it is utterly destroyed, I lose all my data.  
> Short of that, I should be okay.  I could stores my backup Blu-Rays in a bank 
> vault.  It is too bad the local bank brances are not open.
> 
>How about switching between a pair of 4TB USB drives?   They live at the 
> alternate location.  One comes home to do the backup.  The other stays in the 
> outside place.

My experience with rotating 3 disks (one offsite, another being used,
one waiting onsite to be used, so only one is ever in transit and at
least one is on site and one off site) was that hard disks don't like
to be transported much unless they are solid state or laptop drives
(and even they have limits).  3.5" drives rately lasted a year with
being rotated once per week.

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Re: [GTALUG] Data backup recommendations?

[Lennart Sorensen via talk]

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 10:05:31PM -0400, Howard Gibson via talk wrote:
>Why not buy a second hard drive?  My nightly backup is a 4TB drive. 
> "Personal" means the data does not leave my house.  I export my backups 
> periodically to a 50GB Blu-Ray disc.  My backup is a Bourne shell script that 
> eventually calls up tar.  

If it's only in one location, you have no backup. :)

If it has to be manually connected and manual steps taken, most people
will not remember to do it.

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Re: [GTALUG] Data backup recommendations?

[Lennart Sorensen via talk]

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 11:05:21AM -0400, Marc Lijour via talk wrote:
> rsnapshot is pretty nice and saves space -no GUI though

Yeah I use that to mutually backup between me and my parents to each
other.  Very convinient.

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Re: [GTALUG] Data backup recommendations?

[Gron Arthur via talk]

I sort of do that now. I have a drive that I leave at a friend's
place.  But, it's not that convenient so;I don't end up backing up my
data often enough and, now with social distancing I don't want to be
dropping by people.

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 2:10 PM James Knott via talk  wrote:
>
> On 2020-04-25 02:02 PM, Howard Gibson via talk wrote:
> > On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 22:18:33 -0400
> > Gron Arthur via talk  wrote:
> >
> >> I have a backup drive, but I'm thinking it would be better to store
> >> personal files at a second location.   About 200-300GB in total.
> > Gron Arthur,
> >
> > If my house and all around it is utterly destroyed, I lose all my data. 
> >  Short of that, I should be okay.  I could stores my backup Blu-Rays in a 
> > bank vault.  It is too bad the local bank brances are not open.
> >
> > How about switching between a pair of 4TB USB drives?   They live at 
> > the alternate location.  One comes home to do the backup.  The other stays 
> > in the outside place.
> >
>
> I remember backing up to floppies! ;-)
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Re: [GTALUG] Data backup recommendations?

[James Knott via talk]

On 2020-04-25 02:02 PM, Howard Gibson via talk wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 22:18:33 -0400
Gron Arthur via talk  wrote:


I have a backup drive, but I'm thinking it would be better to store
personal files at a second location.   About 200-300GB in total.

Gron Arthur,

If my house and all around it is utterly destroyed, I lose all my data.  
Short of that, I should be okay.  I could stores my backup Blu-Rays in a bank 
vault.  It is too bad the local bank brances are not open.

How about switching between a pair of 4TB USB drives?   They live at the 
alternate location.  One comes home to do the backup.  The other stays in the 
outside place.



I remember backing up to floppies! ;-)
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Re: [GTALUG] Data backup recommendations?

[Howard Gibson via talk]

On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 22:18:33 -0400
Gron Arthur via talk  wrote:

> I have a backup drive, but I'm thinking it would be better to store
> personal files at a second location.   About 200-300GB in total.

Gron Arthur,

   If my house and all around it is utterly destroyed, I lose all my data.  
Short of that, I should be okay.  I could stores my backup Blu-Rays in a bank 
vault.  It is too bad the local bank brances are not open.

   How about switching between a pair of 4TB USB drives?   They live at the 
alternate location.  One comes home to do the backup.  The other stays in the 
outside place.

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Re: [GTALUG] Data backup recommendations?

[Marc Lijour via talk]

rsnapshot is pretty nice and saves space -no GUI though


Le sam. 25 avr. 2020 à 11:02, Stefan Kloppenborg via talk 
a écrit :

> I've been using duplicity for backups. I use the CLI, but I'm pretty sure
> there are GUI front ends available too.
>
> For storage, I've been using Backblaze B2 for the last few years. It's
> supported by rclone, which duplicity uses for data transfer, so it's pretty
> easy to configure duplicity to work with Backblaze B2. At half a cent per
> GB per month, it's reasonably priced. My monthly bill comes up to a few
> dollars.
>
> Backblaze B2 does have some access controls, but I encrypt my backups
> locally before sending them to the cloud. Duplicity works with GPG, so this
> is fairly straight forward to do too.
>
>
> > On April 22, 2020 9:02 PM Gron Arthur via talk  wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'm looking for an easy way to backup data? What's good software to
> > use, preferably open-source, better if it had a GUI?
> >
> > Where is the best place to buy some space, for storing data?
> >
> > Trying to modernize how I backup files personal files.
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Re: [GTALUG] Data backup recommendations?

[Stefan Kloppenborg via talk]

I've been using duplicity for backups. I use the CLI, but I'm pretty sure there 
are GUI front ends available too.

For storage, I've been using Backblaze B2 for the last few years. It's 
supported by rclone, which duplicity uses for data transfer, so it's pretty 
easy to configure duplicity to work with Backblaze B2. At half a cent per GB 
per month, it's reasonably priced. My monthly bill comes up to a few dollars.

Backblaze B2 does have some access controls, but I encrypt my backups locally 
before sending them to the cloud. Duplicity works with GPG, so this is fairly 
straight forward to do too.


> On April 22, 2020 9:02 PM Gron Arthur via talk  wrote:
> 
>  
> I'm looking for an easy way to backup data? What's good software to
> use, preferably open-source, better if it had a GUI?
> 
> Where is the best place to buy some space, for storing data?
> 
> Trying to modernize how I backup files personal files.
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Re: [GTALUG] Data backup recommendations?

[Dave Collier-Brown via talk]

I'm using "Back in Time", which is a gui front end to rsync, written to mimic Apple's 
"Time Machine", and can use remote storage via ssh.

--dave

On 2020-04-22 9:02 p.m., Gron Arthur via talk wrote:

I'm looking for an easy way to backup data? What's good software to
use, preferably open-source, better if it had a GUI?

Where is the best place to buy some space, for storing data?

Trying to modernize how I backup files personal files.
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Re: [GTALUG] Data backup recommendations?

[Sadiq Saif via talk]

On Wed, 22 Apr 2020, at 21:02, Gron Arthur via talk wrote:
> I'm looking for an easy way to backup data? What's good software to
> use, preferably open-source, better if it had a GUI?
> 
> Where is the best place to buy some space, for storing data?
> 
> Trying to modernize how I backup files personal files.

On my servers I use restic[0] to backup data to Backblaze B2 [1] these days. It 
is a CLI only utility but once you have a simple script set up in cron it is 
basically maintenance free.

restic can also backup data to other storage providers like Amazon S3 or a SFTP 
endpoint. If you are looking for a offsite SFTP storage provider I have used 
rsync.net [2] in the past and they are solid.

[0] - https://restic.readthedocs.io/en/stable/
[1] - https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage.html
[2] - https://www.rsync.net/index.html

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Re: [GTALUG] Data backup recommendations?

[Gron Arthur via talk]

I have a backup drive, but I'm thinking it would be better to store
personal files at a second location.   About 200-300GB in total.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 10:05 PM Howard Gibson via talk  wrote:
>
> On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 21:02:45 -0400
> Gron Arthur via talk  wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for an easy way to backup data? What's good software to
> > use, preferably open-source, better if it had a GUI?
>
>Why not buy a second hard drive?  My nightly backup is a 4TB drive. 
> "Personal" means the data does not leave my house.  I export my backups 
> periodically to a 50GB Blu-Ray disc.  My backup is a Bourne shell script that 
> eventually calls up tar.
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Re: [GTALUG] Data backup recommendations?

[Howard Gibson via talk]

On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 21:02:45 -0400
Gron Arthur via talk  wrote:

> I'm looking for an easy way to backup data? What's good software to
> use, preferably open-source, better if it had a GUI?

   Why not buy a second hard drive?  My nightly backup is a 4TB drive. 
"Personal" means the data does not leave my house.  I export my backups 
periodically to a 50GB Blu-Ray disc.  My backup is a Bourne shell script that 
eventually calls up tar.  
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[GTALUG] Data backup recommendations?

[Gron Arthur via talk]

I'm looking for an easy way to backup data? What's good software to
use, preferably open-source, better if it had a GUI?

Where is the best place to buy some space, for storing data?

Trying to modernize how I backup files personal files.
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