RE: Accessible application to play internet radio

2015-04-14 Thread Bill Belew via Talk
Have you tried tunein.com?  It seems pretty accessible and lets you play
stations from anywhere in the world.  

Bill


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Behalf Of Marisane Moruthanyana via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 2:15 AM
To: 'Alan R. Downing'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Robert Guyette'
Subject: Accessible application to play internet radio

Hi list subscribers

I'm using NVDA and jaws to access my computer.

I am totally Blind and love listening to internet radio stations.

Many of the radios I listen to use flash player to play.

As you might know, flash player is not that accessible with screen reader.

For instance, I cannot get to the buttons to control the volume, mute the
radio or play and/or pause it as I so wish.

Moreover, many of these radios seem to be getting rid of players like winamp
/ vlc which I used before to play them in favour of the flash player.

Do you know of any web-based service that is accessible to play this type of
content?

Or any desktop application that can play internet radio with such formats as
.m3u, .asx, .pls or even flash content and the screen reader like nvda or
jaws can work with?

Your help is, in advance, appreciable.

Regards
Marisane

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On Behalf Of Alan R. Downing via Talk
Sent: 12 April 2015 11:08 AM
To: 'Robert Guyette'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Your friend from Phoenix Robert Guyett

Hi Bob, how are things by you, and where are you at these days.  I have been
battling cancer, along with a bunch of side issues, but am still above the
grass.

Best 73


Alan R. Downing
Phoenix, AZ

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Of Robert Guyette via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 9:58 PM
To: Alan R Downing
Subject: Your friend from Phoenix Robert Guyett

Hi Al
I don't want to get a hold of you so we can get together and talk like we
did at Honeywell.
Thanks. 

Ps phone is 2067089597

Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Accessible application to play internet radio

2015-04-14 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk
Granted, I really don't know what this has to do with Window-Eyes, seeing 
that you very specifically said you're using NVDA and JAWS, not W E, and as 
far as I knew, this list primarily was designed for W E.


That said, I'm not about to play moderator.  If anything, I know something 
that you could use that works great!


Try Tapin Radio.

Yes, it works great with W E as well, for those who're wonderring.

Chris.

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To: 'Marisane Moruthanyana' marisa...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes 
Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 2:33 AM
Subject: RE: Accessible application to play internet radio



Have you tried tunein.com?  It seems pretty accessible and lets you play
stations from anywhere in the world.

Bill


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+bill=mind@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Marisane Moruthanyana via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 2:15 AM
To: 'Alan R. Downing'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Robert Guyette'
Subject: Accessible application to play internet radio

Hi list subscribers

I'm using NVDA and jaws to access my computer.

I am totally Blind and love listening to internet radio stations.

Many of the radios I listen to use flash player to play.

As you might know, flash player is not that accessible with screen reader.

For instance, I cannot get to the buttons to control the volume, mute the
radio or play and/or pause it as I so wish.

Moreover, many of these radios seem to be getting rid of players like 
winamp

/ vlc which I used before to play them in favour of the flash player.

Do you know of any web-based service that is accessible to play this type 
of

content?

Or any desktop application that can play internet radio with such formats 
as

.m3u, .asx, .pls or even flash content and the screen reader like nvda or
jaws can work with?

Your help is, in advance, appreciable.

Regards
Marisane

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On Behalf Of Alan R. Downing via Talk
Sent: 12 April 2015 11:08 AM
To: 'Robert Guyette'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Your friend from Phoenix Robert Guyett

Hi Bob, how are things by you, and where are you at these days.  I have 
been

battling cancer, along with a bunch of side issues, but am still above the
grass.

Best 73


Alan R. Downing
Phoenix, AZ

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Of Robert Guyette via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 9:58 PM
To: Alan R Downing
Subject: Your friend from Phoenix Robert Guyett

Hi Al
I don't want to get a hold of you so we can get together and talk like we
did at Honeywell.
Thanks.

Ps phone is 2067089597

Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Unable to select text using latest version of sindoweyes.

2015-04-14 Thread Rick Thomas via Talk
One note:
I had to copy a large article recently and the windoweyes f8 did work well for 
that but it is a pain when copying one or 2 words inside something or even a 
few letters like for an acronym or abbreviation.
Perhaps it could be called a bulk copy to fit the way I like to use it - just a 
thought.
Rick USA

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Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 2:04 AM
To: albertcut...@verizon.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Unable to select text using latest version of sindoweyes.

I found this also, a few months back.
for some reason best known to themselves, the new developers of window-eyes 
have broken what was a perfectly good, easy, and universal method of doing 
this, and replaced it with there own method, which is both unusual, and 
clumsy. they haven't as yet, given any good reason for this, but I am 
assuming that there is one.
instead, one now has to use the f8 key, once you have got the cursor to the 
start of what you want to select. then, once you have got the cursor to the 
end of what you want to select, you press f8 again, and will be given some 
options for copying etc.
from my experience, the end is never where one wants it, which is why I 
describe this new method as clumsy. it is always either before, or after 
what you actually want to select, never exactly just on it.
hope this helps, as I also found this extremely annoying!

Simon


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Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 5:22 AM
Subject: Unable to select text using latest version of sindoweyes.


Good  evening all,

It seems that whenever I try to select text using the shift end key, in 
window eyes, I hear a windows tone sound, and nothing gets selected.  For 
example, if I try to select the email address of this list, I’ll put my 
cursor on the first letter, then do a shift end key too select the text of 
the email address, then do a control C to copy it too the clipboard.  But 
then when I do a control V to paste it into  the to field, in an email 
message, it won’t get pasted.  If anyone here has any suggestions or advice 
as to what I might be doing wrong, Could you please provide  me with  step 
by step instructions on how I might fix this problem?

Thanks in advance,
Al Cutolo
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Re: Unable to select text using latest version of sindoweyes.

2015-04-14 Thread Robert Ringwald via Talk
Al,

There are two ways that I know of to copy text. 

The old way which works in some programs is:

ctrl A
ctrl C
ctrl V

If that does not work, then do this:

1. Put the cursor at the beginning of what you want to copy.
2. Do a F8.

3. Put the cursor at the end of what you want to copy and again do a F8

4. hit C

5. Go to where you want the new text and hit ctrl V

Good luck.

-Bob Ringwald



From: via Talk 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 9:22 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com 
Subject: Unable to select text using latest version of sindoweyes.

Good  evening all,  

It seems that whenever I try to select text using the shift end key, in window 
eyes, I hear a windows tone sound, and nothing gets selected.  For example, if 
I try to select the email address of this list, I’ll put my cursor on the first 
letter, then do a shift end key too select the text of the email address, then 
do a control C to copy it too the clipboard.  But then when I do a control V to 
paste it into  the to field, in an email message, it won’t get pasted.  If 
anyone here has any suggestions or advice as to what I might be doing wrong, 
Could you please provide  me with  step by step instructions on how I might fix 
this problem?  

Thanks in advance,  
Al Cutolo  
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Re: Unable to select text using latest version of sindoweyes.

2015-04-14 Thread Joe Paton via Talk
Hello  Al,

Hope the post below helps clarify things for you.
from Doug Geoffray on the new method of
cutting, copying and pasting in IE.

His message is below.

message starts here.


Jim,

This is by design.  I responded privately to a user about this 
yesterday...below is my explanation I sent him (slightly modified for 
public consumption).

This gets very hard to explain but the two f8 issues you provide are by 
design...but here it goes.

Window-Eyes 9 now uses IE to actually select the information.  We give 
it the beginning and end and it selects.  This has a couple advantages.  
First, this acts exactly like a sighted user would get if they took the 
mouse and selected the text.  They would get the same results.  Second, 
it allows for formatting to be included. Window-Eyes 8.4 simply gave you 
the text and no formatting or graphics or anything.

The problem comes in when a screen reader provides information that 
isn't typically visible on the page.  For example, what if this were a 
graphical link?  The user sees a picture but the author labeled the 
image specifically for accessibility.  A sighted user would never get 
this description, only the image itself.  With Window-Eyes 9, that is 
what you also get.  Another example is what if the link is showing 
whatever but they use ARIA to mark up what a screen reader (any 
accessibility aid for that matter) should be using? Again, IE wouldn't 
render this ARIA text but it is the accessible text the web author 
gave.  We can't select the text that IE doesn't report with the normal 
clipboard selection.

This is partly why shift-arrow selection is so difficult now because we 
don't have our little pre-processed static buffer anymore like the 
outdated 8.4 technique.  We can't stay in sync with what you are 
selecting and what IE can really render.  NVDA gets away with this 
better (although still not perfect) by not allowing you to select 
formatting or images...they are basically doing the old WE 8.4 technique.

Bottom line, to make this manageable, when you select anything from a 
link, we force the entire link.  This is why if you are on a link and 
you just hit f8 twice followed by enter for copy you get the entire link.

At some point we may implement a feature that if the beginning and end 
of the selection using f8 is done on the same line then we just copy the 
text as we provide even though IE wouldn't ever render this to a sighted 
user.  In most cases I'm seeing people do what you are doing, select a 
few words from the current line and not spanning lines.  I think we 
could do this correctly but it still wouldn't allow you to select from 
the middle of a link down and include the next line as one example.  
Well, not without getting the entire link from the first line.  
Remember, a sighted user often can't even get to the text that a screen 
reader speaks...and even in the youtube example, a sighted user also 
can't just clip the name from the link text, it just won't let me.  It 
just depends on how the page was done.

So you may not like how it handles this but it is now 100 percent 
accurate.  You can of course fine tune what you want after pasting.

I hope this helps.

Doug

On 2/6/2015 8:21 AM, Jim Ruby wrote:
 If you only want to copy part of a url the f8 command still will copy the
 entire thing.

 Outlook 2007
 We 9.0
 Win 7 x 64

 url example is http://test.com/indexjunk.htm
 1 go to beginning to url
 2 f8
 3 right arrow to say the end of the base url http://test.com/
 4 f8
 5 copy

 Go paste it and you get
 http://Test.com/indexjunk.htm

 still added stuff that you did not want.

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On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 09:48:20 +0100
Joe Paton via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

Alan,

What application are you using where you are selecting text?

I note you are using windows live mail, is this where you are having problems?

Thanks.

Joe


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via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

Good  evening all,  

It seems that whenever I try to select text using the shift end key, in window 
eyes, I hear a windows tone sound, and nothing gets selected.  For example, if 
I try to select the email 

Re: Accessible application to play internet radio

2015-04-14 Thread Marisane Moruthanyana via Talk
Hi Bill
I know of tunein.com and have used it for sometime now, but it is a
web-based service. I prefer something that is independent. I have just
recently been introduced to tapin radio and it seems to be doing some
of what I want. Well it has its lows and ups. But thank you for your
advice.

On 4/14/15, Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk
talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 Granted, I really don't know what this has to do with Window-Eyes, seeing
 that you very specifically said you're using NVDA and JAWS, not W E, and as

 far as I knew, this list primarily was designed for W E.

 That said, I'm not about to play moderator.  If anything, I know something
 that you could use that works great!

 Try Tapin Radio.

 Yes, it works great with W E as well, for those who're wonderring.

 Chris.

 - Original Message -
 From: Bill Belew via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 To: 'Marisane Moruthanyana' marisa...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes
 Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 2:33 AM
 Subject: RE: Accessible application to play internet radio


 Have you tried tunein.com?  It seems pretty accessible and lets you play
 stations from anywhere in the world.

 Bill


 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+bill=mind@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf Of Marisane Moruthanyana via Talk
 Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 2:15 AM
 To: 'Alan R. Downing'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Robert Guyette'
 Subject: Accessible application to play internet radio

 Hi list subscribers

 I'm using NVDA and jaws to access my computer.

 I am totally Blind and love listening to internet radio stations.

 Many of the radios I listen to use flash player to play.

 As you might know, flash player is not that accessible with screen
 reader.

 For instance, I cannot get to the buttons to control the volume, mute the
 radio or play and/or pause it as I so wish.

 Moreover, many of these radios seem to be getting rid of players like
 winamp
 / vlc which I used before to play them in favour of the flash player.

 Do you know of any web-based service that is accessible to play this type

 of
 content?

 Or any desktop application that can play internet radio with such formats

 as
 .m3u, .asx, .pls or even flash content and the screen reader like nvda or
 jaws can work with?

 Your help is, in advance, appreciable.

 Regards
 Marisane

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+marisanem=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
 On Behalf Of Alan R. Downing via Talk
 Sent: 12 April 2015 11:08 AM
 To: 'Robert Guyette'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: RE: Your friend from Phoenix Robert Guyett

 Hi Bob, how are things by you, and where are you at these days.  I have
 been
 battling cancer, along with a bunch of side issues, but am still above
 the
 grass.

 Best 73


 Alan R. Downing
 Phoenix, AZ

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kd7gc=q@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Robert Guyette via Talk
 Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 9:58 PM
 To: Alan R Downing
 Subject: Your friend from Phoenix Robert Guyett

 Hi Al
 I don't want to get a hold of you so we can get together and talk like we
 did at Honeywell.
 Thanks.

 Ps phone is 2067089597

 Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Accessible Partitioning Software

2015-04-14 Thread Christopher Hallsworth via Talk

Partition Assistant from
www.extend-partition.com


On 14/04/2015 14:57, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:



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RE: Accessible Partitioning Software

2015-04-14 Thread Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
Hi,

I recommend:

AOMEI Partition Assistant Standard Edition - Free download ...
http://download.cnet.com/AOMEI-Partition-Assistant-Standard-Edition/3000-2248_4-75118871.html

the free edition does everything you need,


 


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Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2015 15:57
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Subject: Accessible Partitioning Software


-- 
Hello everyone,
I am getting a new laptop soon, and I was wondering if anyone knew of a good 
partitioning software that works with Window-Eyes.  Thank you.

Regards,

Samuel Wilkins

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telling the time

2015-04-14 Thread Bud Schwab via Talk

Hi Gang,

Am I getting forgetful or did the hot key change for telling the 
time?  I thought it used to be insert plus T.  Now if I use that 
combo it just reads what's current like the control shift 
R  does.  Thanks to who everhas the answer.



Bud Schwab
W 6 Z Y P
Malibu, California
 


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Accessible Partitioning Software

2015-04-14 Thread Samuel Wilkins via Talk


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Hello everyone,
I am getting a new laptop soon, and I was wondering if anyone knew of a good 
partitioning software that works with Window-Eyes.  Thank you.

Regards,

Samuel Wilkins

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more of the same issue with Outlook

2015-04-14 Thread David Loux via Talk
Hi Chris,

Unfortunately, nothing has changed in regard to accessing the message
content of my Outlook 2007 email.

I have noticed one thing which strikes me as rather strange.  As I am
reviewing message content with the mouse keys, it is quite clear that what
represents the content of several different emails.  Today, I clearly
noticed that while reviewing one specific email, I found fragments of at
least 2 previous emails.  One I had just read, and another had content from
another I replied to.

Strange, although I doubt that it sheds much light on my problem.

Have a great day.

Dave Loux


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Re: Accessible application to play internet radio

2015-04-14 Thread Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Huh?  How is tapin radio not web based?  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Marisane Moruthanyana via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 11:00 AM
To: Christopher-Mark Gilland ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Accessible application to play internet radio

Hi Bill
I know of tunein.com and have used it for sometime now, but it is a
web-based service. I prefer something that is independent. I have just
recently been introduced to tapin radio and it seems to be doing some
of what I want. Well it has its lows and ups. But thank you for your
advice.

On 4/14/15, Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk
talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

Granted, I really don't know what this has to do with Window-Eyes, seeing
that you very specifically said you're using NVDA and JAWS, not W E, and 
as


far as I knew, this list primarily was designed for W E.

That said, I'm not about to play moderator.  If anything, I know something
that you could use that works great!

Try Tapin Radio.

Yes, it works great with W E as well, for those who're wonderring.

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: Bill Belew via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
To: 'Marisane Moruthanyana' marisa...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes
Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 2:33 AM
Subject: RE: Accessible application to play internet radio



Have you tried tunein.com?  It seems pretty accessible and lets you play
stations from anywhere in the world.

Bill


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+bill=mind@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Marisane Moruthanyana via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 2:15 AM
To: 'Alan R. Downing'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Robert Guyette'
Subject: Accessible application to play internet radio

Hi list subscribers

I'm using NVDA and jaws to access my computer.

I am totally Blind and love listening to internet radio stations.

Many of the radios I listen to use flash player to play.

As you might know, flash player is not that accessible with screen
reader.

For instance, I cannot get to the buttons to control the volume, mute the
radio or play and/or pause it as I so wish.

Moreover, many of these radios seem to be getting rid of players like
winamp
/ vlc which I used before to play them in favour of the flash player.

Do you know of any web-based service that is accessible to play this type

of
content?

Or any desktop application that can play internet radio with such formats

as
.m3u, .asx, .pls or even flash content and the screen reader like nvda or
jaws can work with?

Your help is, in advance, appreciable.

Regards
Marisane

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+marisanem=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Alan R. Downing via Talk
Sent: 12 April 2015 11:08 AM
To: 'Robert Guyette'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Your friend from Phoenix Robert Guyett

Hi Bob, how are things by you, and where are you at these days.  I have
been
battling cancer, along with a bunch of side issues, but am still above
the
grass.

Best 73


Alan R. Downing
Phoenix, AZ

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kd7gc=q@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf
Of Robert Guyette via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 9:58 PM
To: Alan R Downing
Subject: Your friend from Phoenix Robert Guyett

Hi Al
I don't want to get a hold of you so we can get together and talk like we
did at Honeywell.
Thanks.

Ps phone is 2067089597

Sent from my iPhone
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A thanks message.

2015-04-14 Thread via Talk
Good morning all,  

I would like to thank those of you that responded to the question that I posed 
last evening, regarding window-eyes, and selecting text.  You were all most 
helpful and I appreciate all  of  the  suggestions and advice that all of you 
provided.  After I read the responses, I didn’t realize that the F8 key applied 
to selecting text  was done using that new method. 
Thanks  Dug, for providing such a helpful  explanation on using this method and 
why it   was implemented.  
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WE 9.1 text echoed when jumping to the desktop

2015-04-14 Thread Jim Elsner via Talk

My system win7 home premium 64 bit ms office 2003 and we 9.1
With the installation of we 9.1 when I windows key M to jump to the 
desktop  we echoes the letter M then the desktop icon and finally says 
desktop.
I would prefer desktop followed by the icon it lands on and don't need 
to hear the letter M.

Please tell me how to achieve this.
Thanks
Jim


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