Outlook 2016 - Unable to Copy text/select text in Email messages
Good morning listers, I'm using Outlook 2016 (office 360) and I'm unable to copy text/select text in Email messages using the arrow keys to select the text. Any ideas relative to what the issue? Respectfully, Thomas Lee McKeithan II Accessibility Consultant/Musician 202-276-6437 (Cell) 1-800-901-9201 (Efax) tmckeith...@gmail.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: becky email
just counting empty lines. At 09:01 AM 12/10/2015, you wrote: Hello, using Becky, I press control N to compose a new message, and then when I tab to the edit box where you type in the message, it starts counting, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0. Is there a way to stop this counting? Please help. Butch ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/curtis1014%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Outlook 2016 - Unable to Copy text/select text in Email messages
I believe you need to press F8 at the beginning and end of the text to be selected. Then, there should be a choice of plain text or formatted text. On 12/11/2015 4:24 AM, Thomas Lee McKeithan II via Talk wrote: Good morning listers, I'm using Outlook 2016 (office 360) and I'm unable to copy text/select text in Email messages using the arrow keys to select the text. Any ideas relative to what the issue? Respectfully, Thomas Lee McKeithan II Accessibility Consultant/Musician 202-276-6437 (Cell) 1-800-901-9201 (Efax) tmckeith...@gmail.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/carogsmith%40embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Still can't get WE to read selected text in Notepad
Hello Listers, I asked about this issue a couple of months ago, and never got a satisfactory answer. For some reason, on my system, We will not read text as it is selected via the shift+arrow method. The Notepad set is loading properly, or so it would seem, and yet for some reason, this problem persists. Is there any setting I might check or change to permanently solve this problem? thanks, Larry ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Still can't get WE to read selected text in Notepad
Larry and all Jart often does this for me too. Sometimes, a file will load and nothing speaks at all Closing and reopening the file and at least the text speaks, but, as you say shift+down arrow doesn't speak the selected text. -- Reg On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 06:46:26 -0600 Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: > Hello Listers, > > I asked about this issue a couple of months ago, and never got a satisfactory > answer. > > For some reason, on my system, We will not read text as it is selected via > the shift+arrow method. The Notepad set is loading properly, or so it would > seem, and yet for some reason, this problem persists. > > Is there any setting I might check or change to permanently solve this > problem? > > thanks, > > Larry > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/regwebb%40btinternet.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: becky email
I use Becky. I just hit the control key and it stops. www.harmonicaworkshops.com www.woodeneyemusic.com On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 01:50:40 -0800 Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote: > just counting empty lines. > > At 09:01 AM 12/10/2015, you wrote: > >Hello, using Becky, I press control N to compose a new message, and >then > >when I tab to the edit box where you type in the message, it >starts > >counting, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0. Is there a way to stop this >counting? Please > >help. > > > >Butch > > > >___ > >Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >the > >author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > > >For membership options, visit > >>http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/curtis1014%40verizon.net. > >For subscription options, visit > >>http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > >List archives can be found at > >>http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/harpman9%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Major correction - Still can't get WE to read selected text in WordPad
I need to make a major correction here. In the case of NotePad, it works as it should. I really meant to say WordPad instead. Sorry, my bad. .12/11/2015 6:49 AM, Reg Webb via Talk wrote: Larry and all Jart often does this for me too. Sometimes, a file will load and nothing speaks at all Closing and reopening the file and at least the text speaks, but, as you say shift+down arrow doesn't speak the selected text. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
best layout for becky email
Hello, can someone tell me what they have found to be the best layout for becky? Is there a way to set becky so that you can tab directly from the list of messages to a preview window where you can preview the message without actually pressing enter on it. When I tab from the message list, becky lands on a few areas, but window eyes says nothing. I'm wondering if there is a way to clean up the screen so that I can tab to a preview window, then to the folder list, and back to the message list. Any help is appreciated. Butch ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
atributes in word
When I am using word 2010 I know I can check the attributes of text with the keystroke Insert + e. How can you check the specific attributes of a sentence to find which word is bold, italic, or underlined? When I check a sentence to see what the attributes are, WE will say bold, but I don't know which word is bold or if the entire sentence is bold. Thanks ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: best layout for becky email
Hi, Try wide list view, you should be able to tab into the message from the list of emails in Becky. Window-Eyes Product Support Ai Squared 725 Airport North Office Park Fort Wayne, IN 46825 (802) 362-3612 www.aisquared.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Butch K via Talk Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 9:02 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: best layout for becky email Hello, can someone tell me what they have found to be the best layout for becky? Is there a way to set becky so that you can tab directly from the list of messages to a preview window where you can preview the message without actually pressing enter on it. When I tab from the message list, becky lands on a few areas, but window eyes says nothing. I'm wondering if there is a way to clean up the screen so that I can tab to a preview window, then to the folder list, and back to the message list. Any help is appreciated. Butch ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/cgrabowski%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Still can't get WE to read selected text in Notepad
Hi, Close notepad. Go to the Window-eyes control panel and select factory settings from the file menu. Move to notepad and tab to the install and press enter. Window-Eyes Product Support Ai Squared 725 Airport North Office Park Fort Wayne, IN 46825 (802) 362-3612 www.aisquared.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 7:46 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Still can't get WE to read selected text in Notepad Hello Listers, I asked about this issue a couple of months ago, and never got a satisfactory answer. For some reason, on my system, We will not read text as it is selected via the shift+arrow method. The Notepad set is loading properly, or so it would seem, and yet for some reason, this problem persists. Is there any setting I might check or change to permanently solve this problem? thanks, Larry ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/cgrabowski%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: monthly updates
A question for you, Kenny. Do you have any vision at all? I have heard that Windows 10 is a bear if you do not. I am intrigued that you said you can use it without a problem. Veronica -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+veronica.smith=aps@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 11:01 PM To: Josh Rivera; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: monthly updates I know this doesn't sound good. but microsoft has the habit of doing this through windows update. I am running windows 10 on my laptop and it runs great. I have no problems with windows 10. The best thing I would do is take the check out of the windows 10 update, and download all the other updates. And if you want to go ahead and download windows 10 latter on, then you can put a check back in the update and hit the install button. Kenny Peyatt On 12/10/2015 1:12 PM, Josh Rivera via Talk wrote: > I am also running Win-7 still, but when I go to the downloads, they are > usually all checked, and Win-10 is the last on the list, and I just uncheck > it, and all is good to go. > Josh > > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Neville via Talk > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 4:41 AM > To: Window Eyes > Subject: monthly updates > > Hi, > > I am attempting to install the monthly updates on my W 7 HP 32 bit > system and it keeps trying to download W10. There are 12 or 13 updates > for W7 and after checking all the boxes, pressing space on OK, I am left > with a "get started" option. This is the only option available as the > 'install button" is no longer to be found. > > Pressing enter onthis options starts the download of the monthly > updates but it also says at the top, "downloading Windows 10". > > As I am not ready to install W10 as yet, turning off the modem stopped > the download of all updates. Checking the update history, it showed that > the intended updates failed but the first entry mentioned that the > download of W10 also failed. > > > Has anyone come across this one and figured out how to get the monthly > updates without triggering a W10 invasion? > > > Thanks > Neville. > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/josh.riveranr% > 40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/p.wildcat1234%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/veronica.smith%40aps.edu. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: atributes in word
Windows-A toggles attribute announcements on and off. Hth, Tom On 12/11/2015 9:33 AM, Chad Brown via Talk wrote: When I am using word 2010 I know I can check the attributes of text with the keystroke Insert + e. How can you check the specific attributes of a sentence to find which word is bold, italic, or underlined? When I check a sentence to see what the attributes are, WE will say bold, but I don't know which word is bold or if the entire sentence is bold. Thanks ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Still can't get WE to read selected text in Notepad
i have had w e not talk with notepad too. but all i have to do is alt tab away and back again and most of the time speech will return. also check that all the set files are up to date. sometimes i have re installed the factory set file for notepad or live mail and the problems i had went away. but if you reinstall set files or update out of date sets reload w e or the sets may not work until you re load w e. -Original Message- From: Reg Webb via Talk Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 4:49 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: Still can't get WE to read selected text in Notepad Larry and all Jart often does this for me too. Sometimes, a file will load and nothing speaks at all Closing and reopening the file and at least the text speaks, but, as you say shift+down arrow doesn't speak the selected text. -- Reg On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 06:46:26 -0600 Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: Hello Listers, I asked about this issue a couple of months ago, and never got a satisfactory answer. For some reason, on my system, We will not read text as it is selected via the shift+arrow method. The Notepad set is loading properly, or so it would seem, and yet for some reason, this problem persists. Is there any setting I might check or change to permanently solve this problem? thanks, Larry ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/regwebb%40btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Still can't get WE to read selected text in Notepad
Hi, I sent an email directly to Larry on this issue. The current workaround is to define the set highlight color hot key select the text in wordpad and move the mouse pointer over the selected text. Finally press the hot key you defined. Save the set and shift arrows should read in wordpad under Windows 10. Chris Window-Eyes Product Support Ai Squared 725 Airport North Office Park Fort Wayne, IN 46825 (802) 362-3612 www.aisquared.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of net bat via Talk Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 11:16 AM To: Reg Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Still can't get WE to read selected text in Notepad i have had w e not talk with notepad too. but all i have to do is alt tab away and back again and most of the time speech will return. also check that all the set files are up to date. sometimes i have re installed the factory set file for notepad or live mail and the problems i had went away. but if you reinstall set files or update out of date sets reload w e or the sets may not work until you re load w e. -Original Message- From: Reg Webb via Talk Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 4:49 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: Still can't get WE to read selected text in Notepad Larry and all Jart often does this for me too. Sometimes, a file will load and nothing speaks at all Closing and reopening the file and at least the text speaks, but, as you say shift+down arrow doesn't speak the selected text. -- Reg On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 06:46:26 -0600 Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: > Hello Listers, > > I asked about this issue a couple of months ago, and never got a satisfactory > answer. > > For some reason, on my system, We will not read text as it is selected via > the shift+arrow method. The Notepad set is loading properly, or so it would > seem, and yet for some reason, this problem persists. > > Is there any setting I might check or change to permanently solve this > problem? > > thanks, > > Larry > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/regwebb%40btinternet.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/cgrabowski%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: atributes in word
When I use this feature, I hear the attribute spoken, and when the text returns to normal or some other attribute, it is spoken. In your example, you should hear the word bold where the bolding starts and the word normal when it ends. -Original Message- From: Chad Brown via Talk Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 8:33 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: atributes in word When I am using word 2010 I know I can check the attributes of text with the keystroke Insert + e. How can you check the specific attributes of a sentence to find which word is bold, italic, or underlined? When I check a sentence to see what the attributes are, WE will say bold, but I don't know which word is bold or if the entire sentence is bold. Thanks ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tfairhurst%40kc.rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: monthly updates
i'm not kenny but the biggest problem i have is with wineyes 9.2. it needs more work before it is used with windows 7 or 10 ,which i have and use. it loses speech when you open the start menu sometimes and the only fix is to reload w e. i have a hard time trying to get to the live tiles? in the apps list. some of them i haven't figured out how to get to them unless i use the mouse. with searches in the start menu there are times when the results will not speak or i have to wait 5 or 10 seconds for w e to catch up with my up and down arrow key strokes. it does this in firefox and i e 11 with browse mode too. with the windows update w e doesn't tell me when a update is installing or not. i have to find this info with the mouse and wait until it has finished. the progress indicator does not always work for this. sometimes i have to block then unblock the screen to get any indication that something is going on. there must be some way to make w e read pop up dialog boxes automatically without haveing to press shift control w every time. all the dialogs say is ok. like the u a c, the bank when it says a transaction was completed or when it warns you you will be logged off if you don't click continue. etc. with firefox the option to read entire dialog or entire message boxes can not be used because w e treats a firefox screen as a dialog or message box and will read the entire screen. this is not the read entire page option in browse mode menus. i have this option turned off, to read nothing. firefox and or w e will hang every time i open the bookmark list with control i. my work around for this is to turn browse mode and auto load off before i open it. after i search for a bookmark and go to the link then close the bookmark list and turn autoload and browse mode back on it will not hang. i can use narator or nvda for the bookmark list with no problems. with firefox 38 esr version on many pages w e treats one heading as more then one and w e will re read the same headings over and over again. with some pages w e will re read the entire page when it reatches a heading that is treated as 2 headdings when it is really one. with shop.safeway.com when you search for items w e will not read the prices when you arrow through the list. it justs says price and price. i have to turn browse mode off then go to the price. then w e will read it. then turn browse mode back on to read the next item in the list. -Original Message- From: Smith, Veronica via Talk Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 7:48 AM To: Kenny Peyatt jr. ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: monthly updates A question for you, Kenny. Do you have any vision at all? I have heard that Windows 10 is a bear if you do not. I am intrigued that you said you can use it without a problem. Veronica -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+veronica.smith=aps@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 11:01 PM To: Josh Rivera; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: monthly updates I know this doesn't sound good. but microsoft has the habit of doing this through windows update. I am running windows 10 on my laptop and it runs great. I have no problems with windows 10. The best thing I would do is take the check out of the windows 10 update, and download all the other updates. And if you want to go ahead and download windows 10 latter on, then you can put a check back in the update and hit the install button. Kenny Peyatt On 12/10/2015 1:12 PM, Josh Rivera via Talk wrote: I am also running Win-7 still, but when I go to the downloads, they are usually all checked, and Win-10 is the last on the list, and I just uncheck it, and all is good to go. Josh -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Neville via Talk Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 4:41 AM To: Window Eyes Subject: monthly updates Hi, I am attempting to install the monthly updates on my W 7 HP 32 bit system and it keeps trying to download W10. There are 12 or 13 updates for W7 and after checking all the boxes, pressing space on OK, I am left with a "get started" option. This is the only option available as the 'install button" is no longer to be found. Pressing enter onthis options starts the download of the monthly updates but it also says at the top, "downloading Windows 10". As I am not ready to install W10 as yet, turning off the modem stopped the download of all updates. Checking the update history, it showed that the intended updates failed but the first entry mentioned that the download of W10 also failed. Has anyone come across this one and figured out how to get the monthly updates without triggering a W10 invasion? Thanks Neville. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily repre
Re: atributes in word
Insert-E brings up a dialog with the attributes of the element you are currently on. Windows-A toggles on and off the on-the-fly attribute change announcements. Tom On 12/11/2015 12:01 PM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote: When I use this feature, I hear the attribute spoken, and when the text returns to normal or some other attribute, it is spoken. In your example, you should hear the word bold where the bolding starts and the word normal when it ends. -Original Message- From: Chad Brown via Talk Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 8:33 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: atributes in word When I am using word 2010 I know I can check the attributes of text with the keystroke Insert + e. How can you check the specific attributes of a sentence to find which word is bold, italic, or underlined? When I check a sentence to see what the attributes are, WE will say bold, but I don't know which word is bold or if the entire sentence is bold. Thanks ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tfairhurst%40kc.rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: monthly updates
I've been using Windows 10 since the initial release with Win-eyes 9.2. Now Microsoft just released the major November upgrade which, for the most part, works fine. Here is my question. Microsoft has updates constantly being released, usually more than just monthly at this point. Window-eyes, on the other hand, is still on version 9.2 released on July 21 before Windows 10 even officially came out! So Win-eyes still with all of it's bugs and short comings and has not been updated once during all accept for some app updates here and there. I'm sure AI Square will release a new version of Win-eyes some time, but how much longer do we have to wait just to get these bugs fixed? Also will we be be charge for a new upgrade which, in my opinion, is way over due. Nobody should have to wait this long! On 12/11/2015 1:01 AM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk wrote: I know this doesn't sound good. but microsoft has the habit of doing this through windows update. I am running windows 10 on my laptop and it runs great. I have no problems with windows 10. The best thing I would do is take the check out of the windows 10 update, and download all the other updates. And if you want to go ahead and download windows 10 latter on, then you can put a check back in the update and hit the install button. Kenny Peyatt On 12/10/2015 1:12 PM, Josh Rivera via Talk wrote: I am also running Win-7 still, but when I go to the downloads, they are usually all checked, and Win-10 is the last on the list, and I just uncheck it, and all is good to go. Josh -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Neville via Talk Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 4:41 AM To: Window Eyes Subject: monthly updates Hi, I am attempting to install the monthly updates on my W 7 HP 32 bit system and it keeps trying to download W10. There are 12 or 13 updates for W7 and after checking all the boxes, pressing space on OK, I am left with a "get started" option. This is the only option available as the 'install button" is no longer to be found. Pressing enter onthis options starts the download of the monthly updates but it also says at the top, "downloading Windows 10". As I am not ready to install W10 as yet, turning off the modem stopped the download of all updates. Checking the update history, it showed that the intended updates failed but the first entry mentioned that the download of W10 also failed. Has anyone come across this one and figured out how to get the monthly updates without triggering a W10 invasion? Thanks Neville. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/josh.riveranr% 40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/p.wildcat1234%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/sclark04%40twcny.rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Still can't get WE to read selected text in Notepad
Chris, I tried what you suggested, but no go. I defined the set color hot key to ctrl+!, routed the mouse key to the top of the file, then selected the first five lines or so, and moved the mouse pointer over the selected text, and pressed said key, but It just wont take. And yes, I have also saved the set. Of course, the problem may be that I am still using Windows 8.1and not 10. I would really like to think that I'm missing maybe one little step, but I can't think of just what that one little step might be. If you can, please let me know. Thanks, Larry On 12/11/2015 10:46 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote: Hi, I sent an email directly to Larry on this issue. The current workaround is to define the set highlight color hot key select the text in wordpad and move the mouse pointer over the selected text. Finally press the hot key you defined. Save the set and shift arrows should read in wordpad under Windows 10. Chris Window-Eyes Product Support Ai Squared 725 Airport North Office Park Fort Wayne, IN 46825 (802) 362-3612 www.aisquared.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of net bat via Talk Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 11:16 AM To: Reg Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Still can't get WE to read selected text in Notepad i have had w e not talk with notepad too. but all i have to do is alt tab away and back again and most of the time speech will return. also check that all the set files are up to date. sometimes i have re installed the factory set file for notepad or live mail and the problems i had went away. but if you reinstall set files or update out of date sets reload w e or the sets may not work until you re load w e. -Original Message- From: Reg Webb via Talk Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 4:49 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: Still can't get WE to read selected text in Notepad Larry and all Jart often does this for me too. Sometimes, a file will load and nothing speaks at all Closing and reopening the file and at least the text speaks, but, as you say shift+down arrow doesn't speak the selected text. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: monthly updates
Hi, I am totally blind and am having no problem using windows10. In fact, I quite like it. I have had a lot of experience using windows and the only iteration that I never really dealt with was windows 8 and windows 8.1, and oh yeah, windows 3.0 and 3.1. Ever since xp, with the noted exceptions, I've really had no problems. Perhaps windows10 is daunting at first to those who are unconfortable with the new, but that's why we are all here on this list. Roll with it and just remember my simple little motto, it'll be alright. RJB -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rusty=thesoundzone@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Smith, Veronica via Talk Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 10:49 AM To: Kenny Peyatt jr.; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: monthly updates A question for you, Kenny. Do you have any vision at all? I have heard that Windows 10 is a bear if you do not. I am intrigued that you said you can use it without a problem. Veronica -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+veronica.smith=aps@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 11:01 PM To: Josh Rivera; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: monthly updates I know this doesn't sound good. but microsoft has the habit of doing this through windows update. I am running windows 10 on my laptop and it runs great. I have no problems with windows 10. The best thing I would do is take the check out of the windows 10 update, and download all the other updates. And if you want to go ahead and download windows 10 latter on, then you can put a check back in the update and hit the install button. Kenny Peyatt On 12/10/2015 1:12 PM, Josh Rivera via Talk wrote: > I am also running Win-7 still, but when I go to the downloads, they are > usually all checked, and Win-10 is the last on the list, and I just uncheck > it, and all is good to go. > Josh > > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Neville via Talk > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 4:41 AM > To: Window Eyes > Subject: monthly updates > > Hi, > > I am attempting to install the monthly updates on my W 7 HP 32 bit > system and it keeps trying to download W10. There are 12 or 13 updates > for W7 and after checking all the boxes, pressing space on OK, I am left > with a "get started" option. This is the only option available as the > 'install button" is no longer to be found. > > Pressing enter onthis options starts the download of the monthly > updates but it also says at the top, "downloading Windows 10". > > As I am not ready to install W10 as yet, turning off the modem stopped > the download of all updates. Checking the update history, it showed that > the intended updates failed but the first entry mentioned that the > download of W10 also failed. > > > Has anyone come across this one and figured out how to get the monthly > updates without triggering a W10 invasion? > > > Thanks > Neville. > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/josh.riveranr% > 40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/p.wildcat1234% 40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/veronica.smith %40aps.edu. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rusty%40thesou ndzone.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be fou
RE: Outlook 2016 - Unable to Copy text/select text in Email messages
Hi Thomas, The F8 selection method mentioned to yu by Carol is the method to use in all web-type interfaces, like web pages and incoming email, which is in HTML format. Other than these situations, the normal Shift and cursor key method works fine. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Lee McKeithan II via Talk Sent: December 11, 2015 4:24 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Outlook 2016 - Unable to Copy text/select text in Email messages Good morning listers, I'm using Outlook 2016 (office 360) and I'm unable to copy text/select text in Email messages using the arrow keys to select the text. Any ideas relative to what the issue? Respectfully, Thomas Lee McKeithan II Accessibility Consultant/Musician 202-276-6437 (Cell) 1-800-901-9201 (Efax) tmckeith...@gmail.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40h otmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: best layout for becky email
it should do that by default. Mine does. and window-eyes reads the first 24 lines. At 06:01 AM 12/11/2015, you wrote: Hello, can someone tell me what they have found to be the best layout for becky? Is there a way to set becky so that you can tab directly from the list of messages to a preview window where you can preview the message without actually pressing enter on it. When I tab from the message list, becky lands on a few areas, but window eyes says nothing. I'm wondering if there is a way to clean up the screen so that I can tab to a preview window, then to the folder list, and back to the message list. Any help is appreciated. Butch ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/curtis1014%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Major correction - Still can't get WE to read selected text in WordPad
Hi Larry, I'm curious what happens if you place your cursor at the first character of the first line, and then press Shift-End. Do you not hear the selected text? Thanks, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: December 11, 2015 8:50 AM To: Reg Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Major correction - Still can't get WE to read selected text in WordPad I need to make a major correction here. In the case of NotePad, it works as it should. I really meant to say WordPad instead. Sorry, my bad. .12/11/2015 6:49 AM, Reg Webb via Talk wrote: > Larry and all > > Jart often does this for me too. Sometimes, a file will load and > nothing speaks at all Closing and reopening the file and at least the > text speaks, but, as you say shift+down arrow doesn't speak the selected > text. > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40h otmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Is There a Webner for Skype?
Tom, I forgot how to start skype. Can you tell me how to start it? -Bob -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 9:49 AM To: Smith, Veronica ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Is There a Webner for Skype? Here's a link to the webinar site. Just search for Skype. https://www.gwmicro.com/Training/Webinar_Training/#mainHeadingTitle On 11/23/2015 12:40 PM, Smith, Veronica via Talk wrote: Where do I find it? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+veronica.smith=aps@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 5:37 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Is There a Webner for Skype? Yes, there is a webinar on using Skype with Window-Eyes. Marc Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On November 22, 2015 7:03:45 PM Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote: I'm having a hell of a time trying to figure it out. Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing) 916/ 806-9551 Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV I know a guy who's addicted to brake fluid, but he says he can stop any time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/veronica.smith%40aps.edu. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rsr%40ringwald.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
