Re: Mozilla Firefox question

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

Why would you not want it to update?

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Albert Sanchez via Talk" 

To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:28 AM
Subject: Mozilla Firefox question



   Hi List,
How do I get Mozilla Firefox to stop updating itself automatically? Also, 
how do I get it to stop going to the add-ons page? Running Windows 7 and 
WE 9.0.

Albert Sanchez
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RE: Window-Eyes still has a few tricks up its sleeve. Don't giveup on it yet!

[via Talk]

Wondered about that myself. It's Lou Novath. Email address is
fender...@sbcglobal.net. I've been a list member since Window-Eyes 4X.

 

  _  

From: Donald L. Roberts [mailto:donald.robert...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 12:51 PM
To: fender...@sbcglobal.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes still has a few tricks up its sleeve. Don't giveup
on it yet!

 

Just curios.� Whenever this poster sends a message, his email address
never shows.� No criticism, just curios.� Why is this?

 

Don Roberts

 

 

On 4/1/2017 10:33 AM, via Talk wrote:

Seems like a bug rather than a feature. Who would want to read an email
bottom to top? I just tried it with a newsletter I receive and couldn't make
tails or heads out of it. I would have expected WE to begin reading from the
top of the new screen down. If this is indeed a feature, I want the ability
to turn it off, please.
 
Lou N.
 
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of gosselin_louis via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 6:37 AM
To: 'Carol and Roger'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes still has a few tricks up its sleeve. Don't giveup
on it yet!
 
My God! You're right! I can do it in Ootlook, just as you described.  Not
sure why I'd want to be able to do this, though.
 
Louis Gosselin
 
 
 
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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gosselin_louis=myfairpoint@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 7:11 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List  

Subject: Window-Eyes still has a few tricks up its sleeve. Don't give up on
it yet!
 
Hi Folks,
 
You might find this interesting.  I was reading an email just now by
screen.  I paged down and didn't hear where I left off, so paged up to
pick up the rest of the text.  It started reading at the last point I
had heard and read by line to the top of the email, from the place I had
last read.  I didn't believe it would read from bottom to top, so I
tried it again and it did the same thing.  I just thought I would pass
on my experience, grin.  I can duplicate this in any email that is
longer than one screen by going to the bottom of the email and pressing
the page up key.  It will begin with the last line and read one line at
a time until it reaches the top of the screen.  Have a good weekend, all.
 
Carol
 
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Re: Window-Eyes and antivirus/security software

[Brenda via Talk]

tony,

What version are you using.


On my win7 machine AVG 2015 works fine, but when I upgrade to AVG 2017 
the interface will change to AVG Zen which isn't accessible.



On my win10 laptop I figured out how to get internet protection in my 
system tray by using the search box from the home menu, buty when I 
upgrade this may not be possible.



If you don't have issues now, it is possible you will have them when you 
have to renew/upgrade.



brenda


On 4/1/2017 9:52 PM, Tony C wrote:
Hmmm. I'm using it right now... The only thing I can't reallly do is 
when the AVG window pops up for me to renew, or offering me to get 
another AVG product. I just close it with alt f4.


-Original Message- From: Brenda
Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 8:24 PM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes and antivirus/security software

The AVG interface is no longer accessible.


Has anyone tried Sophos Home?


Can anyone tell me what security software they are using other than AVG
or Kaspersky (which is failing to work)?


Can anyone recommend any other list where I can read and ask questions
about accessible antivirus/security software?


I hate to be a pest, I was all set to get Kaspersky until I read the
updates are making it unusuable.


Thanks for any help/input,

brenda


On 4/1/2017 8:58 PM, Tony C wrote:

I use AVG.

-Original Message- From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:01 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Window-Eyes and antivirus/security software

Good evening list,


Well, I was all set to purchase Kaspersky when I read a list post on
another list that it has become unaccessible of late and that there are
no plans to make it accessible.


Has anyone had any success with Sophos?


What are people's experience with Viper?


Other than defender, any other suggestions?


I know no security software is perfect. I run spybot, and as malware
bytes is not accessible I have my husband run it.  I don't know of any
other products similar to these.


I would appreciate any help/input/suggestions.


Brenda

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Re: Window-Eyes and antivirus/security software

[Brenda via Talk]

The AVG interface is no longer accessible.


Has anyone tried Sophos Home?


Can anyone tell me what security software they are using other than AVG 
or Kaspersky (which is failing to work)?



Can anyone recommend any other list where I can read and ask questions 
about accessible antivirus/security software?



I hate to be a pest, I was all set to get Kaspersky until I read the 
updates are making it unusuable.



Thanks for any help/input,

brenda


On 4/1/2017 8:58 PM, Tony C wrote:

I use AVG.

-Original Message- From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:01 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Window-Eyes and antivirus/security software

Good evening list,


Well, I was all set to purchase Kaspersky when I read a list post on
another list that it has become unaccessible of late and that there are
no plans to make it accessible.


Has anyone had any success with Sophos?


What are people's experience with Viper?


Other than defender, any other suggestions?


I know no security software is perfect. I run spybot, and as malware
bytes is not accessible I have my husband run it.  I don't know of any
other products similar to these.


I would appreciate any help/input/suggestions.


Brenda

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Re: Window-Eyes and antivirus/security software

[Tony C via Talk]

I use AVG.

-Original Message- 
From: Brenda via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:01 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Window-Eyes and antivirus/security software

Good evening list,


Well, I was all set to purchase Kaspersky when I read a list post on
another list that it has become unaccessible of late and that there are
no plans to make it accessible.


Has anyone had any success with Sophos?


What are people's experience with Viper?


Other than defender, any other suggestions?


I know no security software is perfect. I run spybot, and as malware
bytes is not accessible I have my husband run it.  I don't know of any
other products similar to these.


I would appreciate any help/input/suggestions.


Brenda

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VFO and nfb and washington?

[Joshua Kennedy via Talk]

ok I am missing something. what is happening with the nfb in washington? 
is washington getting tired of the nfb? one good thing the nfb is doing 
is or was helping to fund development of the low cost orbit braille 
display. so if you want to fill me in on what the nfb is doing or not 
doing in washington and why people are getting fed up with them you can 
email me off list at


joshknnd1...@gmail.com


I am interested in this interesting nfb news that i don't know about.



thanks



Josh


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Window-Eyes and antivirus/security software

[Brenda via Talk]

Good evening list,


Well, I was all set to purchase Kaspersky when I read a list post on 
another list that it has become unaccessible of late and that there are 
no plans to make it accessible.



Has anyone had any success with Sophos?


What are people's experience with Viper?


Other than defender, any other suggestions?


I know no security software is perfect. I run spybot, and as malware 
bytes is not accessible I have my husband run it.  I don't know of any 
other products similar to these.



I would appreciate any help/input/suggestions.


Brenda

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RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Can you post the sorce link so we can go look at the page ourselves please?
Thanks, Sky.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 10:26 AM
To: bjn...@windstream.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

I saw on a Microsoft page where they listed the Screen Readers ready for the
Win 10 Creator it did list Window Eyes 9.5.4 as being one that is ready. At
least Microsoft is more considerate than VFO to let us know something.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Brenda via Talk 
  To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 1:15 PM
  Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes


  Here are a few thoughts...


  The comment about window-eyes not being a going concern related back to 
  it not being a going concern of VFO not us users.  So far, it does 
  appear that VFO isn't doing much with W-e, and those of us on the list 
  are concerned.


  The listers who do not like this conversation can use their delete button.


  The conversation about the future of Window-eyes has been very helpful 
  to me as it gives me the opportunity to interract with others to process 
  events of late.  I have been able to deal with the situation and make 
  decisions on my future because of this thread and interraction with 
  listers on and off list.


  I have been depressed and stressed about the status of Window-eyes, and 
  these posts help me not to feel alone. Window-eyes was my first screen 
  reader.  It was with me down the dark tunnel of totally relying on a 
  screen reader and not visual info.  Facing the reality alone would have 
  been difficult.  I am very grateful for all listers input and comments 
  which have helped me develop a plan and positive outlook.


  Here are some sayings/phrases that have come to mind as I read this 
  thread about the future of Window-eyes


  1.  Don't bite off your nose to spite your face.

  2.  Wake up and smell the coffee

  3.  the grass is sometimes greener on the other side (when the grass on 
  your side is dry and brown)


  Take care,

  Brenda




  On 4/1/2017 12:21 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
  > Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than 
  > just one left.
  >
  > Jim
  >
  >
  > On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
  >> Personally, I won't buy jaws.  If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n 
  >> v d a.  I've donated to them before and will do so again.  How many 
  >> of us out there have unfulfilled s m a's?  The longer they delay, the 
  >> longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something.  
  >> Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers?  Only 
  >> one still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied. 
  >> I've still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just 
  >> fine.  I think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work 
  >> they did over the years and their great customer support. I've had a 
  >> few dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been 
  >> their customer support was terrible.  I forget what the thing was 
  >> called, but was a note taker with gps and all that.  A friend gave me 
  >> his old one as the v a bought him a new one.  He had let the 
  >> batteries run clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles.  I 
  >> couldn't get any help from freedom to get up and running again unless 
  >> the original purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" 
  >> didn't even work for the v a any more.  I finally threw a couple 
  >> grand worth of stuff in the dumpster.  As the old 4 preps song went, 
  >> "more money for you and me."  No jaws for me at any price.
  >>
  >> 73
  >> Butch
  >> WA0VJR
  >> Node 3148
  >> Wallace, ks.
  >>
  >>
  >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:
  >>
  >>> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been 
  >>> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from 
  >>> VFO about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by 
  >>> being silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't 
  >>> change where it will no longer work.
  >>>  - Original Message -
  >>>  From: Rod Hutton via Talk
  >>>  To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>>  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
  >>>  Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>  Hi Vaughan,
  >>>
  >>>  I believe it is a matter of semantics.
  >>>  The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant 
  >>> in my life on a daily basis.
  >>>  For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
  >>>  Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and 
  >>> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our 
  >>> livelihood and are continuing to use it.
  >>>  In addition, 

Re: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more

[Portia Scott via Talk]

Well. I guess we’ll  have to see what happens, won't we? I just listened to the 
podcast and all I can say is wow!
> On Apr 1, 2017, at 5:40 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> Notice in this two part podcast, nothing is said about window-eyes.  Also 
> notice what is said about the soon to be windows 10 creators update.
> Part 1 - What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more
> http://traffic.libsyn.com/atupdate/ATU032417.mp3?dest-id=68811
> Part 2 - What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more
> http://traffic.libsyn.com/atupdate/ATU033117.mp3?dest-id=68811
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Re: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more

[Tony C via Talk]

VFO is going to be kissing my rear soon. I'm already making plans to make 
the switch to MAC. The Apple/Mac OS is just more stable, and the built in 
voice over works with so much more stuff than any of the Windows screen 
readers. Places like VFO keep trying to "rape" the blind community, and that 
I believe is about to come to an end, just like the NFB's influence on 
Washington is about to be curbed. There's a growing number of Blind and VI 
people who are contacting ther Rep's and Congresmen and Washington to 
denounce the NFB and their ways. Halleua.


-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:40 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more

Notice in this two part podcast, nothing is said about window-eyes.  Also 
notice what is said about the soon to be windows 10 creators update.

Part 1 - What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more
http://traffic.libsyn.com/atupdate/ATU032417.mp3?dest-id=68811
Part 2 - What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more
http://traffic.libsyn.com/atupdate/ATU033117.mp3?dest-id=68811
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Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Don H via Talk]

If Arron Smith is still there he doesn't answer his Email.

On 4/1/2017 11:52 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:

I think that I read that Aaron Smith is there.
  - Original Message -
  From: Jim via Talk
  To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 12:21 PM
  Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes


  Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than
  just one left.

  Jim


  On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
  > Personally, I won't buy jaws.  If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v
  > d a.  I've donated to them before and will do so again.  How many of
  > us out there have unfulfilled s m a's?  The longer they delay, the
  > longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something.
  > Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers?  Only one
  > still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied.  I've
  > still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine.  I
  > think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did
  > over the years and their great customer support.  I've had a few
  > dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their
  > customer support was terrible.  I forget what the thing was called,
  > but was a note taker with gps and all that.  A friend gave me his old
  > one as the v a bought him a new one.  He had let the batteries run
  > clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles.  I couldn't get any
  > help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original
  > purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even
  > work for the v a any more.  I finally threw a couple grand worth of
  > stuff in the dumpster.  As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for
  > you and me."  No jaws for me at any price.
  >
  > 73
  > Butch
  > WA0VJR
  > Node 3148
  > Wallace, ks.
  >
  >
  > On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:
  >
  >> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been
  >> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO
  >> about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being
  >> silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change
  >> where it will no longer work.
  >>  - Original Message -
  >>  From: Rod Hutton via Talk
  >>  To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
  >>  Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >>
  >>
  >>  Hi Vaughan,
  >>
  >>  I believe it is a matter of semantics.
  >>  The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant
  >> in my life on a daily basis.
  >>  For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
  >>  Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and
  >> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our
  >> livelihood and are continuing to use it.
  >>  In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome
  >> and annoying.
  >>  This is just my feeling.
  >>
  >>  Respectfully,
  >>
  >>  Rod
  >>
  >>  -Original Message-
  >>  From: Talk
  >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
  >> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
  >>  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM
  >>  To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >> 
  >>  Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >>
  >>  I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the
  >>  point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.
  >>
  >>
  >>  The evidence does not support on-going development.
  >>
  >>  Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
  >>  Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and
  >>  through other channels.
  >>  The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices.
  >>
  >>  No news  on the VFO site.
  >>  The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface.
  >>  This list is not monitored by VFO.  It VFO was paying attentiont it,
  >>  some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.
  >>
  >>
  >>  So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes.  All we are
  >>  saying is that it is no longer a going concern.
  >>
  >>  Vaughan.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>  On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
  >>  > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement
  >> from someone
  >>  > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to
  >> think it's
  >>  > a option.
  >>  >
  >>  > -Original Message-
  >>  > From: Talk
  >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
  >>  > On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
  >>  > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM
  >>  > To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>  > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >>  >
  >>  >   Hi there!
  >>  >
  >>  > 

Re: Window-Eyes still has a few tricks up its sleeve. Don't giveup on it yet!

[Donald L. Roberts via Talk]

Just curios.  Whenever this poster sends a message, his email address 
never shows.  No criticism, just curios.  Why is this?



Don Roberts



On 4/1/2017 10:33 AM, via Talk wrote:

Seems like a bug rather than a feature. Who would want to read an email
bottom to top? I just tried it with a newsletter I receive and couldn't make
tails or heads out of it. I would have expected WE to begin reading from the
top of the new screen down. If this is indeed a feature, I want the ability
to turn it off, please.

Lou N.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of gosselin_louis via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 6:37 AM
To: 'Carol and Roger'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes still has a few tricks up its sleeve. Don't giveup
on it yet!

My God! You're right! I can do it in Ootlook, just as you described.  Not
sure why I'd want to be able to do this, though.

Louis Gosselin



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gosselin_louis=myfairpoint@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 7:11 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Window-Eyes still has a few tricks up its sleeve. Don't give up on
it yet!

Hi Folks,

You might find this interesting.  I was reading an email just now by
screen.  I paged down and didn't hear where I left off, so paged up to
pick up the rest of the text.  It started reading at the last point I
had heard and read by line to the top of the email, from the place I had
last read.  I didn't believe it would read from bottom to top, so I
tried it again and it did the same thing.  I just thought I would pass
on my experience, grin.  I can duplicate this in any email that is
longer than one screen by going to the bottom of the email and pressing
the page up key.  It will begin with the last line and read one line at
a time until it reaches the top of the screen.  Have a good weekend, all.

Carol

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RE: Window-Eyes still has a few tricks up its sleeve. Don't giveup on it yet!

[via Talk]

Seems like a bug rather than a feature. Who would want to read an email
bottom to top? I just tried it with a newsletter I receive and couldn't make
tails or heads out of it. I would have expected WE to begin reading from the
top of the new screen down. If this is indeed a feature, I want the ability
to turn it off, please.

Lou N.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of gosselin_louis via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 6:37 AM
To: 'Carol and Roger'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes still has a few tricks up its sleeve. Don't giveup
on it yet!

My God! You're right! I can do it in Ootlook, just as you described.  Not
sure why I'd want to be able to do this, though.

Louis Gosselin



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gosselin_louis=myfairpoint@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 7:11 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Window-Eyes still has a few tricks up its sleeve. Don't give up on
it yet!

Hi Folks,

You might find this interesting.  I was reading an email just now by
screen.  I paged down and didn't hear where I left off, so paged up to
pick up the rest of the text.  It started reading at the last point I
had heard and read by line to the top of the email, from the place I had
last read.  I didn't believe it would read from bottom to top, so I
tried it again and it did the same thing.  I just thought I would pass
on my experience, grin.  I can duplicate this in any email that is
longer than one screen by going to the bottom of the email and pressing
the page up key.  It will begin with the last line and read one line at
a time until it reaches the top of the screen.  Have a good weekend, all.

Carol

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Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Loy via Talk]

I saw on a Microsoft page where they listed the Screen Readers ready for the 
Win 10 Creator it did list Window Eyes 9.5.4 as being one that is ready. At 
least Microsoft is more considerate than VFO to let us know something.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Brenda via Talk 
  To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 1:15 PM
  Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes


  Here are a few thoughts...


  The comment about window-eyes not being a going concern related back to 
  it not being a going concern of VFO not us users.  So far, it does 
  appear that VFO isn't doing much with W-e, and those of us on the list 
  are concerned.


  The listers who do not like this conversation can use their delete button.


  The conversation about the future of Window-eyes has been very helpful 
  to me as it gives me the opportunity to interract with others to process 
  events of late.  I have been able to deal with the situation and make 
  decisions on my future because of this thread and interraction with 
  listers on and off list.


  I have been depressed and stressed about the status of Window-eyes, and 
  these posts help me not to feel alone. Window-eyes was my first screen 
  reader.  It was with me down the dark tunnel of totally relying on a 
  screen reader and not visual info.  Facing the reality alone would have 
  been difficult.  I am very grateful for all listers input and comments 
  which have helped me develop a plan and positive outlook.


  Here are some sayings/phrases that have come to mind as I read this 
  thread about the future of Window-eyes


  1.  Don't bite off your nose to spite your face.

  2.  Wake up and smell the coffee

  3.  the grass is sometimes greener on the other side (when the grass on 
  your side is dry and brown)


  Take care,

  Brenda




  On 4/1/2017 12:21 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
  > Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than 
  > just one left.
  >
  > Jim
  >
  >
  > On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
  >> Personally, I won't buy jaws.  If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n 
  >> v d a.  I've donated to them before and will do so again.  How many 
  >> of us out there have unfulfilled s m a's?  The longer they delay, the 
  >> longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something.  
  >> Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers?  Only 
  >> one still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied. 
  >> I've still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just 
  >> fine.  I think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work 
  >> they did over the years and their great customer support. I've had a 
  >> few dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been 
  >> their customer support was terrible.  I forget what the thing was 
  >> called, but was a note taker with gps and all that.  A friend gave me 
  >> his old one as the v a bought him a new one.  He had let the 
  >> batteries run clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles.  I 
  >> couldn't get any help from freedom to get up and running again unless 
  >> the original purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" 
  >> didn't even work for the v a any more.  I finally threw a couple 
  >> grand worth of stuff in the dumpster.  As the old 4 preps song went, 
  >> "more money for you and me."  No jaws for me at any price.
  >>
  >> 73
  >> Butch
  >> WA0VJR
  >> Node 3148
  >> Wallace, ks.
  >>
  >>
  >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:
  >>
  >>> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been 
  >>> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from 
  >>> VFO about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by 
  >>> being silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't 
  >>> change where it will no longer work.
  >>>  - Original Message -
  >>>  From: Rod Hutton via Talk
  >>>  To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>>  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
  >>>  Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>  Hi Vaughan,
  >>>
  >>>  I believe it is a matter of semantics.
  >>>  The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant 
  >>> in my life on a daily basis.
  >>>  For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
  >>>  Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and 
  >>> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our 
  >>> livelihood and are continuing to use it.
  >>>  In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion 
  >>> tiresome and annoying.
  >>>  This is just my feeling.
  >>>
  >>>  Respectfully,
  >>>
  >>>  Rod
  >>>
  >>>  -Original Message-
  >>>  From: Talk 
  >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
  >>> On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
  >>>  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Brenda via Talk]

yep, I found him on linkedin.  His job title is something like 
enterprise compliance.





On 4/1/2017 12:52 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:

I think that I read that Aaron Smith is there.
   - Original Message -
   From: Jim via Talk
   To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 12:21 PM
   Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes


   Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than
   just one left.

   Jim


   On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
   > Personally, I won't buy jaws.  If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v
   > d a.  I've donated to them before and will do so again.  How many of
   > us out there have unfulfilled s m a's?  The longer they delay, the
   > longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something.
   > Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers?  Only one
   > still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied.  I've
   > still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine.  I
   > think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did
   > over the years and their great customer support.  I've had a few
   > dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their
   > customer support was terrible.  I forget what the thing was called,
   > but was a note taker with gps and all that.  A friend gave me his old
   > one as the v a bought him a new one.  He had let the batteries run
   > clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles.  I couldn't get any
   > help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original
   > purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even
   > work for the v a any more.  I finally threw a couple grand worth of
   > stuff in the dumpster.  As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for
   > you and me."  No jaws for me at any price.
   >
   > 73
   > Butch
   > WA0VJR
   > Node 3148
   > Wallace, ks.
   >
   >
   > On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:
   >
   >> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been
   >> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO
   >> about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being
   >> silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change
   >> where it will no longer work.
   >>  - Original Message -
   >>  From: Rod Hutton via Talk
   >>  To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   >>  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
   >>  Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
   >>
   >>
   >>  Hi Vaughan,
   >>
   >>  I believe it is a matter of semantics.
   >>  The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant
   >> in my life on a daily basis.
   >>  For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
   >>  Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and
   >> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our
   >> livelihood and are continuing to use it.
   >>  In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome
   >> and annoying.
   >>  This is just my feeling.
   >>
   >>  Respectfully,
   >>
   >>  Rod
   >>
   >>  -Original Message-
   >>  From: Talk
   >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
   >> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
   >>  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM
   >>  To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   >> 
   >>  Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
   >>
   >>  I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the
   >>  point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.
   >>
   >>
   >>  The evidence does not support on-going development.
   >>
   >>  Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
   >>  Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and
   >>  through other channels.
   >>  The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices.
   >>
   >>  No news  on the VFO site.
   >>  The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface.
   >>  This list is not monitored by VFO.  It VFO was paying attentiont it,
   >>  some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.
   >>
   >>
   >>  So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes.  All we are
   >>  saying is that it is no longer a going concern.
   >>
   >>  Vaughan.
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>  On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
   >>  > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement
   >> from someone
   >>  > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to
   >> think it's
   >>  > a option.
   >>  >
   >>  > -Original Message-
   >>  > From: Talk
   >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
   >>  > On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
   >>  > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM
   >>  > To: Don 

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Brenda via Talk]

Here are a few thoughts...


The comment about window-eyes not being a going concern related back to 
it not being a going concern of VFO not us users.  So far, it does 
appear that VFO isn't doing much with W-e, and those of us on the list 
are concerned.



The listers who do not like this conversation can use their delete button.


The conversation about the future of Window-eyes has been very helpful 
to me as it gives me the opportunity to interract with others to process 
events of late.  I have been able to deal with the situation and make 
decisions on my future because of this thread and interraction with 
listers on and off list.



I have been depressed and stressed about the status of Window-eyes, and 
these posts help me not to feel alone. Window-eyes was my first screen 
reader.  It was with me down the dark tunnel of totally relying on a 
screen reader and not visual info.  Facing the reality alone would have 
been difficult.  I am very grateful for all listers input and comments 
which have helped me develop a plan and positive outlook.



Here are some sayings/phrases that have come to mind as I read this 
thread about the future of Window-eyes



1.  Don't bite off your nose to spite your face.

2.  Wake up and smell the coffee

3.  the grass is sometimes greener on the other side (when the grass on 
your side is dry and brown)



Take care,

Brenda




On 4/1/2017 12:21 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than 
just one left.


Jim


On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
Personally, I won't buy jaws.  If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n 
v d a.  I've donated to them before and will do so again.  How many 
of us out there have unfulfilled s m a's?  The longer they delay, the 
longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something.  
Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers?  Only 
one still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied. 
I've still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just 
fine.  I think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work 
they did over the years and their great customer support. I've had a 
few dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been 
their customer support was terrible.  I forget what the thing was 
called, but was a note taker with gps and all that.  A friend gave me 
his old one as the v a bought him a new one.  He had let the 
batteries run clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles.  I 
couldn't get any help from freedom to get up and running again unless 
the original purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" 
didn't even work for the v a any more.  I finally threw a couple 
grand worth of stuff in the dumpster.  As the old 4 preps song went, 
"more money for you and me."  No jaws for me at any price.


73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:

I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been 
9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from 
VFO about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by 
being silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't 
change where it will no longer work.

 - Original Message -
 From: Rod Hutton via Talk
 To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
 Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes


 Hi Vaughan,

 I believe it is a matter of semantics.
 The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant 
in my life on a daily basis.

 For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
 Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and 
many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our 
livelihood and are continuing to use it.
 In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion 
tiresome and annoying.

 This is just my feeling.

 Respectfully,

 Rod

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk

 Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM
 To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion 
List 

 Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

 I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the
 point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.


 The evidence does not support on-going development.

 Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
 Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and
 through other channels.
 The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its 
offices.


 No news  on the VFO site.
 The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW 
interface.

 This list is not monitored by VFO.  It VFO was paying attentiont it,
 some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.


 So: no one is saying stop using your copy of 

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Loy via Talk]

I think that I read that Aaron Smith is there.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim via Talk 
  To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 12:21 PM
  Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes


  Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than 
  just one left.

  Jim


  On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
  > Personally, I won't buy jaws.  If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v 
  > d a.  I've donated to them before and will do so again.  How many of 
  > us out there have unfulfilled s m a's?  The longer they delay, the 
  > longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something.  
  > Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers?  Only one 
  > still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied.  I've 
  > still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine.  I 
  > think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did 
  > over the years and their great customer support.  I've had a few 
  > dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their 
  > customer support was terrible.  I forget what the thing was called, 
  > but was a note taker with gps and all that.  A friend gave me his old 
  > one as the v a bought him a new one.  He had let the batteries run 
  > clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles.  I couldn't get any 
  > help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original 
  > purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even 
  > work for the v a any more.  I finally threw a couple grand worth of 
  > stuff in the dumpster.  As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for 
  > you and me."  No jaws for me at any price.
  >
  > 73
  > Butch
  > WA0VJR
  > Node 3148
  > Wallace, ks.
  >
  >
  > On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:
  >
  >> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been 
  >> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO 
  >> about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being 
  >> silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change 
  >> where it will no longer work.
  >>  - Original Message -
  >>  From: Rod Hutton via Talk
  >>  To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
  >>  Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >>
  >>
  >>  Hi Vaughan,
  >>
  >>  I believe it is a matter of semantics.
  >>  The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant 
  >> in my life on a daily basis.
  >>  For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
  >>  Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and 
  >> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our 
  >> livelihood and are continuing to use it.
  >>  In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome 
  >> and annoying.
  >>  This is just my feeling.
  >>
  >>  Respectfully,
  >>
  >>  Rod
  >>
  >>  -Original Message-
  >>  From: Talk 
  >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
  >> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
  >>  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM
  >>  To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  >> 
  >>  Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >>
  >>  I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the
  >>  point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.
  >>
  >>
  >>  The evidence does not support on-going development.
  >>
  >>  Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
  >>  Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and
  >>  through other channels.
  >>  The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices.
  >>
  >>  No news  on the VFO site.
  >>  The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface.
  >>  This list is not monitored by VFO.  It VFO was paying attentiont it,
  >>  some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.
  >>
  >>
  >>  So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes.  All we are
  >>  saying is that it is no longer a going concern.
  >>
  >>  Vaughan.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>  On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
  >>  > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement 
  >> from someone
  >>  > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to 
  >> think it's
  >>  > a option.
  >>  >
  >>  > -Original Message-
  >>  > From: Talk 
  >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
  >>  > On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
  >>  > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM
  >>  > To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>  > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >>  >
  >>  >   Hi there!
  >>  >
  >>  > Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going 
  >> 

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Jim via Talk]

Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than 
just one left.


Jim


On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
Personally, I won't buy jaws.  If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v 
d a.  I've donated to them before and will do so again.  How many of 
us out there have unfulfilled s m a's?  The longer they delay, the 
longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something.  
Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers?  Only one 
still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied.  I've 
still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine.  I 
think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did 
over the years and their great customer support.  I've had a few 
dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their 
customer support was terrible.  I forget what the thing was called, 
but was a note taker with gps and all that.  A friend gave me his old 
one as the v a bought him a new one.  He had let the batteries run 
clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles.  I couldn't get any 
help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original 
purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even 
work for the v a any more.  I finally threw a couple grand worth of 
stuff in the dumpster.  As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for 
you and me."  No jaws for me at any price.


73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:

I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been 
9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO 
about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being 
silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change 
where it will no longer work.

 - Original Message -
 From: Rod Hutton via Talk
 To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
 Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes


 Hi Vaughan,

 I believe it is a matter of semantics.
 The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant 
in my life on a daily basis.

 For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
 Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and 
many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our 
livelihood and are continuing to use it.
 In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome 
and annoying.

 This is just my feeling.

 Respectfully,

 Rod

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk

 Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM
 To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 


 Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

 I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the
 point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.


 The evidence does not support on-going development.

 Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
 Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and
 through other channels.
 The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices.

 No news  on the VFO site.
 The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface.
 This list is not monitored by VFO.  It VFO was paying attentiont it,
 some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.


 So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes.  All we are
 saying is that it is no longer a going concern.

 Vaughan.



 On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
 > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement 
from someone
 > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to 
think it's

 > a option.
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

 > On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
 > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM
 > To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
 >
 >   Hi there!
 >
 > Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going 
away?
 > I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and 
until I
 > do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I 
am getting
 > rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over 
and over.  I
 > do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I 
just want
 > to see where all this so called information is actually coming 
from..?  Have

 > A Great Day! de
 >
 > .
 >
 >
 > On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote:
 >> If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice 
bridge to
 >> sell you.  It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real 
cheap.

 >>
 >> On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
 >>> We don't know WE is going away.
 >>>
 >>> 

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Personally, I won't buy jaws.  If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v d 
a.  I've donated to them before and will do so again.  How many of us 
out there have unfulfilled s m a's?  The longer they delay, the longer 
they can put off refunding any money or giving us something.  Why on 
earth would they develop and sell two screen readers?  Only one still 
there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied.  I've still got 
systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine.  I think many of 
us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did over the years 
and their great customer support.  I've had a few dealings with Freedom 
in the past and my experience has been their customer support was 
terrible.  I forget what the thing was called, but was a note taker with 
gps and all that.  A friend gave me his old one as the v a bought him a 
new one.  He had let the batteries run clear down, and the thing lost 
all of its marbles.  I couldn't get any help from freedom to get up and 
running again unless the original purchaser contacted them, and the 
"original purchaser" didn't even work for the v a any more.  I finally 
threw a couple grand worth of stuff in the dumpster.  As the old 4 preps 
song went, "more money for you and me."  No jaws for me at any price.


73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On 
Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:



I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been 9 months 
since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO about WE.They are 
not being honest with all the WE users by being silent. I will continue to use 
WE as long as Windows doesn't change where it will no longer work.
 - Original Message -
 From: Rod Hutton via Talk
 To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
 Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes


 Hi Vaughan,

 I believe it is a matter of semantics.
 The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant in my life 
on a daily basis.
 For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
 Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and many others 
on this this, depend on this screen reader for our livelihood and are 
continuing to use it.
 In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome and 
annoying.
 This is just my feeling.

 Respectfully,

 Rod

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
 Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM
 To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

 Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

 I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the
 point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.


 The evidence does not support on-going development.

 Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
 Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and
 through other channels.
 The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices.

 No news  on the VFO site.
 The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface.
 This list is not monitored by VFO.  It VFO was paying attentiont it,
 some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.


 So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes.  All we are
 saying is that it is no longer a going concern.

 Vaughan.



 On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
 > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement from someone
 > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to think it's
 > a option.
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
 > On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
 > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM
 > To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
 >
 >   Hi there!
 >
 > Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away?
 > I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until I
 > do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am getting
 > rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over and over.  I
 > do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I just want
 > to see where all this so called information is actually coming from..?  Have
 > A Great Day! de
 >
 > .
 >
 >
 > On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote:
 >> If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to
 >> sell you.  It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap.
 >>
 >> On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
 >>> We don't know WE is going away.
 >>>
 >>> -Original Message-
 >>> From: Talk
 >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
 >>> On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
 >>> Sent: Thursday, 

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Oh yeah!, you think they aren't being honest with us? I submit that they 
are certainly being quite honest, in a somewhat peculiar fashion. I 
think that their honest intent is to continue to ignore us, and 
therefore humiliate us. You know that the greatest form of humiliation 
is to be ignored, don't you?


The only product I ever bought from these people was Openbook, and that 
was due to the fact that I had bought OB long before HJ bought it way 
back when, but I'll be damned if I will ever consider buying another 
product from this bunch of cutthroats ever again.


Nuff said!

Larry


On 4/1/2017 9:26 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:

I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been 9 months 
since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO about WE.They are 
not being honest with all the WE users by being silent. I will continue to use 
WE as long as Windows doesn't change where it will no longer work.
  - Original Message -
  From: Rod Hutton via Talk
  To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
  Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes


  Hi Vaughan,

  I believe it is a matter of semantics.
  The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant in my 
life on a daily basis.
  For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
  Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and many 
others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our livelihood and are 
continuing to use it.
  In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome and 
annoying.
  This is just my feeling.

  Respectfully,

  Rod

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM
  To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

  Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

  I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the
  point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.


  The evidence does not support on-going development.

  Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
  Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and
  through other channels.
  The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices.

  No news  on the VFO site.
  The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface.
  This list is not monitored by VFO.  It VFO was paying attentiont it,
  some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.


  So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes.  All we are
  saying is that it is no longer a going concern.

  Vaughan.



  On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
  > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement from someone
  > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to think it's
  > a option.
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
  > On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
  > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM
  > To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >
  >   Hi there!
  >
  > Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away?
  > I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until I
  > do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am getting
  > rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over and over.  I
  > do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I just want
  > to see where all this so called information is actually coming from..?  Have
  > A Great Day! de
  >
  > .
  >
  >
  > On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote:
  >> If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to
  >> sell you.  It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap.
  >>
  >> On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
  >>> We don't know WE is going away.
  >>>
  >>> -Original Message-
  >>> From: Talk
  >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
  >>> On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
  >>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM
  >>> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >>>
  >>> Hi Sky and List
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes.
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and
  >>> push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws.
  >>> The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs
  >>> would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be
  >>> put toward the cost of jaws.  Everyone should be given the convention
  >>> price for jaws.
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> Just a 

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Loy via Talk]

I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been 9 months 
since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO about WE.They are 
not being honest with all the WE users by being silent. I will continue to use 
WE as long as Windows doesn't change where it will no longer work.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rod Hutton via Talk 
  To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
  Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes


  Hi Vaughan,

  I believe it is a matter of semantics.
  The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant in my 
life on a daily basis.
  For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
  Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and many 
others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our livelihood and are 
continuing to use it.
  In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome and 
annoying.
  This is just my feeling.

  Respectfully,

  Rod

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM
  To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

  Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

  I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the 
  point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.


  The evidence does not support on-going development.

  Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
  Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and 
  through other channels.
  The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices.

  No news  on the VFO site.
  The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface.
  This list is not monitored by VFO.  It VFO was paying attentiont it, 
  some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.


  So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes.  All we are 
  saying is that it is no longer a going concern.

  Vaughan.



  On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
  > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement from someone
  > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to think it's
  > a option.
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
  > On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
  > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM
  > To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >
  >   Hi there!
  >
  > Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away?
  > I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until I
  > do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am getting
  > rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over and over.  I
  > do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I just want
  > to see where all this so called information is actually coming from..?  Have
  > A Great Day! de
  >
  > .
  >
  >
  > On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote:
  >> If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to
  >> sell you.  It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap.
  >>
  >> On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
  >>> We don't know WE is going away.
  >>>
  >>> -Original Message-
  >>> From: Talk
  >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
  >>> On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
  >>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM
  >>> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >>>
  >>> Hi Sky and List
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes.
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and
  >>> push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws.
  >>> The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs
  >>> would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be
  >>> put toward the cost of jaws.  Everyone should be given the convention
  >>> price for jaws.
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> Just a thought,
  >>>
  >>> Brenda
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
   Hello Kevin and Vaughn.  Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind
   organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance,  Window-Eyes would not
   have gotten extinct and this would not have happened.  Below, I'm
   going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is
   on this list, and I support him 100 percent!
  
  
  
  
   Email 1:
  
   Hi Sky,
  
  
  
   Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you
   said, had the rnib, 

What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Notice in this two part podcast, nothing is said about window-eyes.  Also 
notice what is said about the soon to be windows 10 creators update.
Part 1 - What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more
http://traffic.libsyn.com/atupdate/ATU032417.mp3?dest-id=68811
Part 2 - What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more
http://traffic.libsyn.com/atupdate/ATU033117.mp3?dest-id=68811
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RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Vaughan,

I believe it is a matter of semantics.
The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant in my life 
on a daily basis.
For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and many others 
on this this, depend on this screen reader for our livelihood and are 
continuing to use it.
In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome and 
annoying.
This is just my feeling.

Respectfully,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the 
point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.


The evidence does not support on-going development.

Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and 
through other channels.
The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices.

No news  on the VFO site.
The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface.
This list is not monitored by VFO.  It VFO was paying attentiont it, 
some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.


So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes.  All we are 
saying is that it is no longer a going concern.

Vaughan.



On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
> I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement from someone
> at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to think it's
> a option.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM
> To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
>
>   Hi there!
>
> Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away?
> I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until I
> do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am getting
> rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over and over.  I
> do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I just want
> to see where all this so called information is actually coming from..?  Have
> A Great Day! de
>
> .
>
>
> On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote:
>> If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to
>> sell you.  It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap.
>>
>> On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>>> We don't know WE is going away.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM
>>> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
>>>
>>> Hi Sky and List
>>>
>>>
>>> I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and
>>> push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws.
>>> The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs
>>> would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be
>>> put toward the cost of jaws.  Everyone should be given the convention
>>> price for jaws.
>>>
>>>
>>> Just a thought,
>>>
>>> Brenda
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
 Hello Kevin and Vaughn.  Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind
 organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance,  Window-Eyes would not
 have gotten extinct and this would not have happened.  Below, I'm
 going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is
 on this list, and I support him 100 percent!




 Email 1:

 Hi Sky,



 Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you
 said, had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on
 favoured window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be
 almost extinct at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These
 people are somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The
 entire system has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other
 screen reader has become second rate because of the power wielded
 withing the blind community. It's alright us saying this but
 actually proving it is another matter. If it could be proved and
 despite all the negativity, it could. Then what could happen?
 Telling the world about how a ruthless power hungry organisation set
 out to control the world of the blind with 

RE: Window-Eyes still has a few tricks up its sleeve. Don't give up on it yet!

[gosselin_louis via Talk]

My God! You're right! I can do it in Ootlook, just as you described.  Not
sure why I'd want to be able to do this, though.

Louis Gosselin



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gosselin_louis=myfairpoint@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 7:11 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Window-Eyes still has a few tricks up its sleeve. Don't give up on
it yet!

Hi Folks,

You might find this interesting.  I was reading an email just now by
screen.  I paged down and didn't hear where I left off, so paged up to
pick up the rest of the text.  It started reading at the last point I
had heard and read by line to the top of the email, from the place I had
last read.  I didn't believe it would read from bottom to top, so I
tried it again and it did the same thing.  I just thought I would pass
on my experience, grin.  I can duplicate this in any email that is
longer than one screen by going to the bottom of the email and pressing
the page up key.  It will begin with the last line and read one line at
a time until it reaches the top of the screen.  Have a good weekend, all.

Carol

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Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the 
point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.



The evidence does not support on-going development.

Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and 
through other channels.

The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices.

No news  on the VFO site.
The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface.
This list is not monitored by VFO.  It VFO was paying attentiont it, 
some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.



So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes.  All we are 
saying is that it is no longer a going concern.


Vaughan.



On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement from someone
at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to think it's
a option.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM
To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

  Hi there!

Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away?
I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until I
do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am getting
rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over and over.  I
do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I just want
to see where all this so called information is actually coming from..?  Have
A Great Day! de

.


On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote:

If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to
sell you.  It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap.

On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

We don't know WE is going away.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

Hi Sky and List


I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes.


I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and
push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws.
The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs
would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be
put toward the cost of jaws.  Everyone should be given the convention
price for jaws.


Just a thought,

Brenda


On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hello Kevin and Vaughn.  Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind
organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance,  Window-Eyes would not
have gotten extinct and this would not have happened.  Below, I'm
going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is
on this list, and I support him 100 percent!




Email 1:

Hi Sky,



Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you
said, had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on
favoured window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be
almost extinct at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These
people are somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The
entire system has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other
screen reader has become second rate because of the power wielded
withing the blind community. It's alright us saying this but
actually proving it is another matter. If it could be proved and
despite all the negativity, it could. Then what could happen?
Telling the world about how a ruthless power hungry organisation set
out to control the world of the blind with a screen reader? If
people would back us up and not just say that is what happened
without saying I can prove it. To be able to prove it would be the
icing on the cake. It would show the rotten, evil people at jaws who
abused their power and in a way forced vendors to favour jaws above
other screen readers. If enough people were prepared to come out and
back us up we would have enough to at least make

those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility.



I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true
would be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a
Mergers and nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with

no teeth.

Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major
money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining.
They have some power but it is only token gesture.



There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He
will be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media
cdompanies. He owns the majority of the world's media and his
control is beyond anything that the world has seen 

RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement from someone
at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to think it's
a option.  

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM
To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

 Hi there!

Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away? 
I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until I
do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am getting
rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over and over.  I
do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I just want
to see where all this so called information is actually coming from..?  Have
A Great Day! de

.


On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote:
> If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to 
> sell you.  It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap.
>
> On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>> We don't know WE is going away.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM
>> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
>>
>> Hi Sky and List
>>
>>
>> I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes.
>>
>>
>> I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and 
>> push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws. 
>> The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs 
>> would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be 
>> put toward the cost of jaws.  Everyone should be given the convention 
>> price for jaws.
>>
>>
>> Just a thought,
>>
>> Brenda
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>>> Hello Kevin and Vaughn.  Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind 
>>> organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance,  Window-Eyes would not 
>>> have gotten extinct and this would not have happened.  Below, I'm 
>>> going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is 
>>> on this list, and I support him 100 percent!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Email 1:
>>>
>>> Hi Sky,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you 
>>> said, had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on 
>>> favoured window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be 
>>> almost extinct at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These 
>>> people are somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The 
>>> entire system has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other 
>>> screen reader has become second rate because of the power wielded 
>>> withing the blind community. It's alright us saying this but 
>>> actually proving it is another matter. If it could be proved and 
>>> despite all the negativity, it could. Then what could happen? 
>>> Telling the world about how a ruthless power hungry organisation set 
>>> out to control the world of the blind with a screen reader? If 
>>> people would back us up and not just say that is what happened 
>>> without saying I can prove it. To be able to prove it would be the 
>>> icing on the cake. It would show the rotten, evil people at jaws who 
>>> abused their power and in a way forced vendors to favour jaws above 
>>> other screen readers. If enough people were prepared to come out and 
>>> back us up we would have enough to at least make
>> those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true 
>>> would be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a 
>>> Mergers and nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with
no teeth.
>>> Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major 
>>> money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining.
>>> They have some power but it is only token gesture.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He 
>>> will be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media 
>>> cdompanies. He owns the majority of the world's media and his 
>>> control is beyond anything that the world has seen before. There 
>>> isn't much he doesn't own and his political power is immeanse. That 
>>> is the exact same as jaws, the rnib, cnib and other organisations for
the blind.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm 
>>> what we are saying. That would be at least a start. We could get up 
>>> a petition expressing our opinion of the bullying from these so 
>>> called institutions for the blind. bringing them to account. It may 
>>> not do very much but at