Roll-up Keyboards
Roll-Up, or Folding Keyboards... It's been a few years, since I owned one. So please take the following for whatever it is worth. Also, be notified, that the opinions presented here, are mine and might not be fully representative for everyone. Still, I will spend a few of your minutes, walking you through a few considerations in the matter of this kind of keyboards. Design: and Construction First of all, let's get it all straight: The keyboard is made up of silicone, a versatile and flexible material. The construction is completely sealed, meaning that the keyboards are dust and spil proof. Should it ever get dirty, you literally can wash the whole thing under the faucet in your kitchen. Upon wash, simply hang it over a rod or something similar, and let it dry for a short while. It even is claimed to be alcohol proof, though I have not tested that feature. Have you ever seen the baking mats in silicone? Ever touched one of the thicker ones? These keyboards are based on a mat - not that much thicker than a silicone baking mat. let's estimate the thickness of the base of the keyboard, something like 1 1/2 bank card. Now imagine, that you place some keys on top of this silicone base, and you are pretty close to the final outlook of the product. each key, would be approximately the size of a four-knobbed lego brick; both in square, and in hight. And, take the knobs off the lego brick, you will get just about the shape of each key as well. They are straight cut square. Place these keys on your silicone mat, spaced about tenth of an inch apart. Remember, all the bricks are cast in silicone. Inside each (brick) key, is a tiny mechanical switch. To the touch, the whole keyboard unit, is a bit sticky; like all silicone products. Your fingers sure won't slip, as you type. Some might find the whole texture a bit uncomfortable, and it sure does take a little to get used to. In one end, you will find the unit has what appears like a rectangular box - something like 1.5 or 2 inches in width , running down the whole side of the keyboard. Inside this "box", is where all the electronics of the unit is located. In the rear end of the "box", you will find the USB cable, which is used for connecting to the computer. It is a fixed cable, and once broken, the whole unit is merely for the trash bin. Reason why they are called Roll-Up, or Folding keyboards, is because you litterally can roll them up, starting from one end. All rolled, the keyboard would be the size of two pocketbooks, stacked on top of each other. Being manufactured from cast silicone, the unit does not weigh much more than a modern cellphone. All-in-all a quite portable version of a keyboard. For your records, the keyboards comes in several sizes and versions. You would find units holding like 85-keys, comparing to the one you typically would see on your laptop. And you will find units, holding 102, or 105 keys, comparing to the standard keyboard you are familiar with on a desktop computer. Well, and then you can get separate numeric keypads, also in this roll-up flavor. Size is not much different from what you are used to, except from the extra space needed for the electronics "box" mentioned earlier. Typing Comfort The whole keyboard is a bit flimpsy. Being manufactured for roll-up, there is no built-in stiffening support in the unit. Putting it on your lap, attempting to type something, simply will not work. Pressing a key, the unit just will bend. This all mean, that you want to have a firm surface - like a desk - for placing your keyboard onto, whenever you want to operate your computer. If you planned for using the roll-up keyboard on the bus, train or airplane, you at least will need to have some kind of table of a certain firmness, for your operation. The keypressing, is rather firm. It really takes some effort to perform. Not too much to be wondered, when you give it a bit of a thought. Look at your standard keyboard. Each key is a separate unit, travelling freely up and down; totally independently from the others. On the roll-up models, each silicone key (brick), is molded as part of the whole unit. The keys do not travel. You press on the key, almost like you would press the bubbles on bubble plastics, that you know from shipping materials. Pressing on the key, you therefore will have to force the silicone of the brick to bend, enough to activate the tiny switch inside. Typing for prolonged time on this kind of units, might be a challenge. If you are used to old manual typewriters, you will remember how hard you had to knock the keys. Have you never used anything but modern soft-operated keyboards, you will likely find the roll-up models rather heavily worked. I doubt anyone could keep up their typing speed, on the roll-ups. The switch is situated in the center of each key. Still, it is possible for you to hit the side of the key. Doing so, though, will not activate the switch,
RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes
I've experienced this issue in JAWS as well and have had to kill WE or JAWS from the task manager. Sometimes Outlook hangs too and seems to create this issue. -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of madl--- via Talk Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 12:26 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: m...@comcast.net Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes Hello, I have a new keyboard which I purchased two weeks ago and I thought this will solve my problem. In my case I don't think the keys are sticking physically. I didn't have this problem until recent update from MS. For now, when I have this issue, I go to taskbar then to desktop. That fixs the problem for a while . Thanks Moe -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 10:10 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Pamela Dominguez Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes That is different. "sticky keys", when it says that in windows, when you press a key more than once fast, is made so that people can type with one hand. So that if they need to hit, say, control something, they can hit the control, and it will stay registered until you hit the key that goes along with it in order to do a certain function. That doesn't have to do with keys getting stuck. Mine, though, is an actual key that gets stuck, when I least expect it. It's the righthand shift key that gets stuck. Pam. -Original Message- From: madl--- via Talk Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 9:44 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: m...@comcast.net Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes Hello all, I am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key. I thought it is my keyboard. I got a new one. That didn't solve the issue. It something with MS window. If you press shift key five times in the row, you will hear something like sticky key but, I am not sure what I need to do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have ability to type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a solution. Thanks Moe -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM To: David via Talk Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes I have had theis problem once in a while for years. Something strange in wineyes. Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the problem. Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem. I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote: > Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do > not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen. > > It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck > in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially > vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load > of strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu > of the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an > Alt-F. It is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard > over time. > Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have > fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath > your key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this. > > The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and > Shift keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got stuck. > > But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no > solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer. > Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based > kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the > situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer. > Yet, for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the > sticky thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key > being stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if I had kept my > Ctrl-key pressed. Funny thing is, if I open NVDA, the issue is gone. > This morning, when the issue again took place, I decided to do a bit > of testing. > > First I thought it could be due to an app in my screen reader's > collection. So when the issue started, I tried to get to the WinEyes > ControlPanel. Physically pressing Ctrl-Backslash, had absolutely no > effect, which quite often happens. Alt-Tabbing to the panel, is out of > question, since I have WinEyes set to automatically hide from the > Alt-Tab list. So the only way now, was to go to the Taskbar, and press > Enter on WinEyes. Sure enough, the panel came up, and I went to the > App-menu, and turned off all apps. Then back to my internet working, > attempting to perform some browse mode commands. Pressing C, to get to > the next Combo box, had no
Re: Question about WE and keyboards
Hi Bob, Control+Alt+W starts Window-Eyes. Control+Numpad insert+F4 closes it. You can also open the control panel with Control+Backslash and then Alt+F4. I've heard of those roll up keyboards, but I've never seen one. I'm sorry to hear about the stroke. God speed, Tom On 1/6/2020 2:35 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote: Been using Jaws and forgot how to start and stop Window-eyes. Can someone tell me? Had a stroke a couple years ago and can only type with one hand. Cannot use the flat keyboard on the laptop. Using external KB. When I travel, I carry laptop in back pack but have to put KB in suitcase buried between clothes to protect from getting damaged. I have heard of roll up keyboards, possibly made out of some sort of rubber. Or foldable keyboards. Anyone use one of these type of KBs? And if so, what is your opinion. Best -Bob Bob Ringwald Amateur (ham) radio station K6YBV www.ringwald.com "If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be." Lawrence Peter (Yogi) Berra, B5-12-1925, D9-22-2015 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Question about WE and keyboards
Been using Jaws and forgot how to start and stop Window-eyes. Can someone tell me? Had a stroke a couple years ago and can only type with one hand. Cannot use the flat keyboard on the laptop. Using external KB. When I travel, I carry laptop in back pack but have to put KB in suitcase buried between clothes to protect from getting damaged. I have heard of roll up keyboards, possibly made out of some sort of rubber. Or foldable keyboards. Anyone use one of these type of KBs? And if so, what is your opinion. Best -Bob Bob Ringwald Amateur (ham) radio station K6YBV www.ringwald.com "If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be." Lawrence Peter (Yogi) Berra, B5-12-1925, D9-22-2015 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes
On Windows 10 when I hit the shift key five times I get a dialog asking me if I want to turn on sticky keys. There are yes and no buttons. And it says you can turn this off in Ease of access, keyboard settings. I opened the Cortana search window with the Windows key and started typing ease. I had to arrow down a few to the ease of access center keyboard settings. In there I was able to turn off the shortcut along with a few others. Now I can hit shift a dozen times and it does nothing. Hth, Tom On 1/6/2020 1:38 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: ONly time I get sticky key thing is if I hold down on a key to long. Not sure how to turn it off. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Mon, 6 Jan 2020, madl--- via Talk wrote: Hello all, I am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key. I thought it is my keyboard. I got a new one. That didn't solve the issue. It something with MS window. If you press shift key five times in the row, you will hear something like sticky key but, I am not sure what I need to do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have ability to type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a solution. Thanks Moe -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM To: David via Talk Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes I have had theis problem once in a while for years. Something strange in wineyes. Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the problem. Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem. I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote: Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen. It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load of strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu of the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an Alt-F. It is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard over time. Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath your key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this. The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and Shift keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got stuck. But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer. Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer. Yet, for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the sticky thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key being stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if I had kept my Ctrl-key pressed. Funny thing is, if I open NVDA, the issue is gone. This morning, when the issue again took place, I decided to do a bit of testing. First I thought it could be due to an app in my screen reader's collection. So when the issue started, I tried to get to the WinEyes ControlPanel. Physically pressing Ctrl-Backslash, had absolutely no effect, which quite often happens. Alt-Tabbing to the panel, is out of question, since I have WinEyes set to automatically hide from the Alt-Tab list. So the only way now, was to go to the Taskbar, and press Enter on WinEyes. Sure enough, the panel came up, and I went to the App-menu, and turned off all apps. Then back to my internet working, attempting to perform some browse mode commands. Pressing C, to get to the next Combo box, had no effect. Pressing T, for next Table, only opened a new tab in my browser. And pressing other navigation letters, caused whatever funny and somehow interesting things to take place. was almost like a new computer game. hahaha. Allright, as I told you, things like this happens every now and then. And normally, opening NVDA will fix the issue. Though now, I decided not to walk the normal lane. On the contrary, I alt-Tabbed back to the WinEyes panel, and hit Alt-F4. The screen reader closed itself down, all well. I then restarted WinEyes, using a hotkey combination of my choice, which does not include any of the standard modifier-keys. This way, i am sure no Ctrl, Alt or Shift key was pressed, during the close down or restarting process of the screen reader. Do I have to tell you what was the result? Sure thing. WinEyes opened, and the sticky Ctrl key has gone for vacation. No touching of the Ctrl neither on the left or right side of the keyboard. Neither on
RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes
ONly time I get sticky key thing is if I hold down on a key to long. Not sure how to turn it off. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Mon, 6 Jan 2020, madl--- via Talk wrote: Hello all, I am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key. I thought it is my keyboard. I got a new one. That didn't solve the issue. It something with MS window. If you press shift key five times in the row, you will hear something like sticky key but, I am not sure what I need to do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have ability to type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a solution. Thanks Moe -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM To: David via Talk Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes I have had theis problem once in a while for years. Something strange in wineyes. Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the problem. Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem. I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote: Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen. It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load of strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu of the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an Alt-F. It is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard over time. Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath your key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this. The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and Shift keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got stuck. But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer. Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer. Yet, for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the sticky thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key being stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if I had kept my Ctrl-key pressed. Funny thing is, if I open NVDA, the issue is gone. This morning, when the issue again took place, I decided to do a bit of testing. First I thought it could be due to an app in my screen reader's collection. So when the issue started, I tried to get to the WinEyes ControlPanel. Physically pressing Ctrl-Backslash, had absolutely no effect, which quite often happens. Alt-Tabbing to the panel, is out of question, since I have WinEyes set to automatically hide from the Alt-Tab list. So the only way now, was to go to the Taskbar, and press Enter on WinEyes. Sure enough, the panel came up, and I went to the App-menu, and turned off all apps. Then back to my internet working, attempting to perform some browse mode commands. Pressing C, to get to the next Combo box, had no effect. Pressing T, for next Table, only opened a new tab in my browser. And pressing other navigation letters, caused whatever funny and somehow interesting things to take place. was almost like a new computer game. hahaha. Allright, as I told you, things like this happens every now and then. And normally, opening NVDA will fix the issue. Though now, I decided not to walk the normal lane. On the contrary, I alt-Tabbed back to the WinEyes panel, and hit Alt-F4. The screen reader closed itself down, all well. I then restarted WinEyes, using a hotkey combination of my choice, which does not include any of the standard modifier-keys. This way, i am sure no Ctrl, Alt or Shift key was pressed, during the close down or restarting process of the screen reader. Do I have to tell you what was the result? Sure thing. WinEyes opened, and the sticky Ctrl key has gone for vacation. No touching of the Ctrl neither on the left or right side of the keyboard. Neither on my laptop's built-in keyboard, or on the attached USB one, did I touch any Ctrl-key. All I did, was to restart WinEyes. Since turning off all apps did not solve the problem, and due to the fact that restarting the screen reader did take care of the trouble - I am left to draw the conclusion that something strange sits in the core code of WinEyes. Could it be some coding that - under given situations - will poke its nose out, and conflict with some activity of other software? Might it happen, that some residues from other software might have caused this to
RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes
Hello, I have a new keyboard which I purchased two weeks ago and I thought this will solve my problem. In my case I don't think the keys are sticking physically. I didn't have this problem until recent update from MS. For now, when I have this issue, I go to taskbar then to desktop. That fixs the problem for a while . Thanks Moe -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 10:10 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Pamela Dominguez Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes That is different. "sticky keys", when it says that in windows, when you press a key more than once fast, is made so that people can type with one hand. So that if they need to hit, say, control something, they can hit the control, and it will stay registered until you hit the key that goes along with it in order to do a certain function. That doesn't have to do with keys getting stuck. Mine, though, is an actual key that gets stuck, when I least expect it. It's the righthand shift key that gets stuck. Pam. -Original Message- From: madl--- via Talk Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 9:44 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: m...@comcast.net Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes Hello all, I am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key. I thought it is my keyboard. I got a new one. That didn't solve the issue. It something with MS window. If you press shift key five times in the row, you will hear something like sticky key but, I am not sure what I need to do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have ability to type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a solution. Thanks Moe -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM To: David via Talk Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes I have had theis problem once in a while for years. Something strange in wineyes. Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the problem. Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem. I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote: > Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do > not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen. > > It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck > in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially > vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load > of strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu > of the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an > Alt-F. It is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard > over time. > Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have > fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath > your key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this. > > The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and > Shift keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got stuck. > > But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no > solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer. > Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based > kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the > situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer. > Yet, for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the > sticky thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key > being stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if I had kept my > Ctrl-key pressed. Funny thing is, if I open NVDA, the issue is gone. > This morning, when the issue again took place, I decided to do a bit > of testing. > > First I thought it could be due to an app in my screen reader's > collection. So when the issue started, I tried to get to the WinEyes > ControlPanel. Physically pressing Ctrl-Backslash, had absolutely no > effect, which quite often happens. Alt-Tabbing to the panel, is out of > question, since I have WinEyes set to automatically hide from the > Alt-Tab list. So the only way now, was to go to the Taskbar, and press > Enter on WinEyes. Sure enough, the panel came up, and I went to the > App-menu, and turned off all apps. Then back to my internet working, > attempting to perform some browse mode commands. Pressing C, to get to > the next Combo box, had no effect. Pressing T, for next Table, only > opened a new tab in my browser. And pressing other navigation letters, > caused whatever funny and somehow interesting things to take place. > was almost like a new computer game. hahaha. > > Allright, as I told you, things like this happens every now and then. > And normally, opening NVDA will fix the issue. Though now,
Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes
That is different. "sticky keys", when it says that in windows, when you press a key more than once fast, is made so that people can type with one hand. So that if they need to hit, say, control something, they can hit the control, and it will stay registered until you hit the key that goes along with it in order to do a certain function. That doesn't have to do with keys getting stuck. Mine, though, is an actual key that gets stuck, when I least expect it. It's the righthand shift key that gets stuck. Pam. -Original Message- From: madl--- via Talk Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 9:44 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: m...@comcast.net Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes Hello all, I am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key. I thought it is my keyboard. I got a new one. That didn't solve the issue. It something with MS window. If you press shift key five times in the row, you will hear something like sticky key but, I am not sure what I need to do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have ability to type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a solution. Thanks Moe -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM To: David via Talk Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes I have had theis problem once in a while for years. Something strange in wineyes. Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the problem. Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem. I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote: Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen. It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load of strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu of the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an Alt-F. It is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard over time. Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath your key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this. The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and Shift keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got stuck. But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer. Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer. Yet, for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the sticky thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key being stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if I had kept my Ctrl-key pressed. Funny thing is, if I open NVDA, the issue is gone. This morning, when the issue again took place, I decided to do a bit of testing. First I thought it could be due to an app in my screen reader's collection. So when the issue started, I tried to get to the WinEyes ControlPanel. Physically pressing Ctrl-Backslash, had absolutely no effect, which quite often happens. Alt-Tabbing to the panel, is out of question, since I have WinEyes set to automatically hide from the Alt-Tab list. So the only way now, was to go to the Taskbar, and press Enter on WinEyes. Sure enough, the panel came up, and I went to the App-menu, and turned off all apps. Then back to my internet working, attempting to perform some browse mode commands. Pressing C, to get to the next Combo box, had no effect. Pressing T, for next Table, only opened a new tab in my browser. And pressing other navigation letters, caused whatever funny and somehow interesting things to take place. was almost like a new computer game. hahaha. Allright, as I told you, things like this happens every now and then. And normally, opening NVDA will fix the issue. Though now, I decided not to walk the normal lane. On the contrary, I alt-Tabbed back to the WinEyes panel, and hit Alt-F4. The screen reader closed itself down, all well. I then restarted WinEyes, using a hotkey combination of my choice, which does not include any of the standard modifier-keys. This way, i am sure no Ctrl, Alt or Shift key was pressed, during the close down or restarting process of the screen reader. Do I have to tell you what was the result? Sure thing. WinEyes opened, and the sticky Ctrl key has gone for vacation. No touching of the Ctrl neither on the left or right side of the keyboard. Neither on my laptop's built-in keyboard, or on the
RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes
Hello all, I am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key. I thought it is my keyboard. I got a new one. That didn't solve the issue. It something with MS window. If you press shift key five times in the row, you will hear something like sticky key but, I am not sure what I need to do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have ability to type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a solution. Thanks Moe -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM To: David via Talk Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes I have had theis problem once in a while for years. Something strange in wineyes. Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the problem. Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem. I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote: > Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do > not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen. > > It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck > in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially > vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load > of strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu > of the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an > Alt-F. It is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard over time. > Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have > fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath > your key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this. > > The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and > Shift keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got stuck. > > But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no > solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer. > Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based > kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the > situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer. > Yet, for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the > sticky thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key > being stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if I had kept my > Ctrl-key pressed. Funny thing is, if I open NVDA, the issue is gone. > This morning, when the issue again took place, I decided to do a bit of testing. > > First I thought it could be due to an app in my screen reader's > collection. So when the issue started, I tried to get to the WinEyes > ControlPanel. Physically pressing Ctrl-Backslash, had absolutely no > effect, which quite often happens. Alt-Tabbing to the panel, is out of > question, since I have WinEyes set to automatically hide from the > Alt-Tab list. So the only way now, was to go to the Taskbar, and press > Enter on WinEyes. Sure enough, the panel came up, and I went to the > App-menu, and turned off all apps. Then back to my internet working, > attempting to perform some browse mode commands. Pressing C, to get to > the next Combo box, had no effect. Pressing T, for next Table, only > opened a new tab in my browser. And pressing other navigation letters, > caused whatever funny and somehow interesting things to take place. > was almost like a new computer game. hahaha. > > Allright, as I told you, things like this happens every now and then. > And normally, opening NVDA will fix the issue. Though now, I decided > not to walk the normal lane. On the contrary, I alt-Tabbed back to the > WinEyes panel, and hit Alt-F4. The screen reader closed itself down, > all well. I then restarted WinEyes, using a hotkey combination of my > choice, which does not include any of the standard modifier-keys. This > way, i am sure no Ctrl, Alt or Shift key was pressed, during the close > down or restarting process of the screen reader. > > Do I have to tell you what was the result? Sure thing. WinEyes opened, > and the sticky Ctrl key has gone for vacation. No touching of the Ctrl > neither on the left or right side of the keyboard. Neither on my > laptop's built-in keyboard, or on the attached USB one, did I touch > any Ctrl-key. All I did, was to restart WinEyes. > > Since turning off all apps did not solve the problem, and due to the > fact that restarting the screen reader did take care of the trouble - > I am left to draw the conclusion that something strange sits in the > core code of WinEyes. Could it be some coding that - under given > situations - will poke its nose out, and conflict with some activity > of other software? Might it happen, that some residues from other > software might have caused this to come up? Or, could it
