RE: camera for knfb reader

[Andre via Talk]

Has knfb reader changed? I thought it was a software program for your
computer or an app for your smart phone which would already have a built-in
camera.

How would this be able to be used with the ziggi cam or this thing called
the hover cam?

Are there better cameras than these that would give you even better results?


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 5:55 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: RE: camera for knfb reader

Just make sure it is an 8mp camera. That will give you good results. 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: BK via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 15:39
To: gw micro
Cc: BK
Subject: camera for knfb reader

Hello, I just downloaded the knfb reader. Now I am looking for
recommendations for a camera to use with it. Is there much difference
between the ziggi cam and the hover cam, and what about the price? I
hear one cost about 400 and the other about 100. Is the difference in
cost worth it? And where can I buy one? All suggestions are appreciated.

Butch

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NVDA and Touch Screens

[Andre via Talk]

I was wondering about NVDA and touch screens. I have to help my son access
ABC Mouse on a pc running Windows 10 (fall creators). It seems like
something has changed. Maybe not though. Basically my question is:

 

 

Is it possible to keep NVDA running (for me) and still allow him to just use
the regular touch screen gestures? For instance, when I have him on YouTube
and I'm running NVDA so I can choose what I want him to watch, he can't just
tap on play/pause and have it play or pause the video. I have to completely
quit NVDA. After doing a Google search, I tried the sleep mode, but that
didn't seem to work either. So are there any addons I can get to negate the
nvda touch gestures, etc.? 

 

Hopefully you understand what I'm asking. If not, please let me know. By the
way, I'm no NVDA expert either. I know he can just touch the screen when I'm
running Window-Eyes, but my browse mode feature disappeared and that was WE
9.5.4. I'm trying NVDA 2017.3. I think that's what it's called. So is there
a way to keep NVDA running and turn off its touch support? I figure if I can
do that, then that will kind of simulate Window-Eyes' browse mode.

 

 

Thanks a lot for your help.

 

 

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RE: HELP SOUGHT

[Andre via Talk]

Hi Rod. Please let us all know what you figure out. I'd love to learn about
the process you go through to diagnose an app. How do you break it all down
so to speak?

Thanks,

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 3:11 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: HELP SOUGHT

Hi Olusegun,

Sure, I can certainly take a look.

Best,

Rod

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: October 2, 2017 10:40 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. 
Subject: HELP SOUGHT

Hi Everyone:

My move from Windows to Android has been a bit slower than anticipated.  In
the meantime, however, there's an app I am about to purchase for business
use.  

I installed a demo copy of the app and, using Window-Eyes, all I could hear
is: "Custom Control, Custom Control" and nothing else!  

I would appreciate help from anyone in the house that has more knowledge on
how to deal with this this sort of thing and advice.  I am willing to send a
zipped copy of the demo app to anyone who can take a hard look for me.  

BTW, I know that a "custom control" can be reclassified; I just don't know
what to reclassify it to and that's why I need some help!  

I am also searching for a comparable app in Android land that I can use, but
thus far, no luck yet.  I look forward to reading your thoughts, and, if you
prefer, you can write me privately.  Much thanks, all the very best!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: App updates

[Andre via Talk]

Just getting to my email after an emergency.

I think that's a great idea Rod. It's a shame VFO claimed to support the
product at least through the website and list, and already they are
dropkicking us users. No real surprise there. We have to keep things in our
hands as much as possible.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 10:14 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: App updates

Thanks, Dennis.

Sounds like a good idea.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: September 5, 2017 9:52 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Dennis Long 
Subject: RE: App updates

Rod absolutely do that.  You might want to post it to the other WindowEyes
list your on.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 5:52 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: App updates

Hi everyone,

I have updates for a couple of my apps, and even a new app or two, but VFO
is no longer accepting app submissions.
Is anyone still interested enough in Window-Eyes to wish for someone to set
up an independent website for the purpose of app updates?
I am trying to get a handle on who is still interested in receiving support
for Window-Eyes, and so please circulate this question to any Window-Eyes
users you know.

Sincere thanks,

Rod Hutton
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RE: contacting Doug.

[Andre via Talk]

I know this may sound crazy, but I still feel hurt by the loss of WE. I do 
think this may have been AI Squared's intent all along. I'm sure GW knew it was 
a possibility once they gave up total control of WE and sold the company to AI 
Squared, but felt they didn't have much of a choice any longer than  to take 
that risk.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell 
via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:12 PM
To: bjn...@windstream.net; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: contacting Doug.

That is my thinking.  There was going to be rewritten braille support. GW knew 
they were falling behind but they didn't have the budget to get ahead of the 
competition while the Lawsuit was in progress.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Brenda via 
Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 10:00 AM
To: Butch Bussen via Talk
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Re: contacting Doug.

I too was hopeful the AI Squared merge would be good for Window-eyes. 
but, the merge was lopsided and seems more like a sale as GW had no more 
control.

I always thought AI Squared was directed by VFO to bring them Window-eyes as 
VFO didn't absorb AI Squared until after W-e was acquired. Maybe AI Squared was 
also in bad shape financially and felt selling out to VFO was in their best 
interest.

It is possible doug, Dan and Aaron were offered positions at VFO but refused 
them. Perhaps this was the same for other GW employees too. 
Perhaps not.

True, technology changes, and products/programs get discontinued, but for me 
Window-eyes was more than just another program. I have heard the term VFO 
Family" but VFO is not my family - GW Micro was and is and I'm still dealing 
with the loss.  some may not like these posts, but they are helping me deal 
with the situation.

I should have written this post using jaws to help me practice - oh well
- I'll
  move on eventually.
Brenda









On 8/22/2017 12:04 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
> Yes, that is my understanding as well.  Again, i wonder if gw people had 
> a clue a i squared would sell them down the drain.  Again I wonder, was 
> this a i squared's agenda all along?  Only the shadow knows.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 22 Aug 2017, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
> 
>> It is possible I am misinterpreting this note, but I really think that 
>> both Doug and Dan thought that the merger with AI Squared would give 
>> Window-Eyes a fresh burst of resources to get over the hump on changes 
>> that were very much needed.  Once they sold the company, even though 
>> they remained active employees, they would not have had a say 
>> regarding the purchase of AI Squared by VFO.  I remember at the time 
>> GW Micro was purchased by AI Squared, that Doug wrote in some context 
>> or other about the number of engineers and developers AI Squared had 
>> compared to GW Micro, and I think there was some real optimism there.  
>> The idea of the Fusion product with Window-Eyes may have provided  the 
>> new market and exposure that Window-Eyes really needed.  I really 
>> don't think there were two mor decent people in this industry.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Dennis Long via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:00 AM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>> Cc: Dennis Long 
>> Subject: RE: contacting Doug.
>>
>> When GW sold out to AI squared that was effectively the end of WE.  
>> Remember everyone has their price Dan and Doug got there price.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Reeva Webb via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:12 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: Reeva Webb
>> Subject: RE: contacting Doug.
>>
>> Watch fs make zt bloated and terrible with yearly updates. Oh, ai2, 
>> y'all shouldn't have gotten with the shark.
>>
>> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never 
>> promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls 
>> Of Jericho
>>
>> Reeva
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2017 11:22 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk" 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And Zoomtext will be getting yearly updates, and so on like JAWS does.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:50 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Cc: Russ Kiehne
>>> Subject: Re: contacting Doug.
>>>
>>> You are correct, the article was posted for historical purposes.
>>> It's interesting to see how many screen readers we had back then.
>>> Jaws wonthe the battle and now is king of the hill.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> 

RE: contacting Doug.

[Andre via Talk]

I agree. Doug and Dan are awesome. We can add Aaron into that mix as well. It's 
all a rotten shame for our community.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
Jacobson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:59 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Steve Jacobson
Subject: RE: contacting Doug.

It is possible I am misinterpreting this note, but I really think that both 
Doug and Dan thought that the merger with AI Squared would give Window-Eyes a 
fresh burst of resources to get over the hump on changes that were very much 
needed.  Once they sold the company, even though they remained active 
employees, they would not have had a say regarding the purchase of AI Squared 
by VFO.  I remember at the time GW Micro was purchased by AI Squared, that Doug 
wrote in some context or other about the number of engineers and developers AI 
Squared had compared to GW Micro, and I think there was some real optimism 
there.  The idea of the Fusion product with Window-Eyes may have provided  the 
new market and exposure that Window-Eyes really needed.  I really don't think 
there were two mor decent people in this industry.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson
 
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long 
via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:00 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Dennis Long 
Subject: RE: contacting Doug.

When GW sold out to AI squared that was effectively the end of WE.  Remember 
everyone has their price Dan and Doug got there price.  


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb 
via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Reeva Webb
Subject: RE: contacting Doug.

Watch fs make zt bloated and terrible with yearly updates. Oh, ai2, y'all 
shouldn't have gotten with the shark.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Aug 21, 2017 11:22 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk" 
wrote:

> And Zoomtext will be getting yearly updates, and so on like JAWS does.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
> Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:50 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Russ Kiehne
> Subject: Re: contacting Doug.
>
> You are correct, the article was posted for historical purposes.
> It's interesting to see how many screen readers we had back then.  
> Jaws wonthe the battle and now is king of the hill.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Debby Franson via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:50 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Debby Franson
> Subject: Re: contacting Doug.
>
> Hi Loy!
>
> No, I agree that the article would not be fair today, but I think this 
> article was posted for historical purposes, not anything about the 
> current day.
>
> Debby
>
> At 10:25 AM 8/19/2017, Loy via Talk wrote
> >This would not be a air comparison now, Window Eyes progressed much faster
> >than JAWS since 1996.   - Original Message -   From: Russ Kiehne
> >via Talk   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List   Cc: Russ Kiehne   Sent:
> >Saturday, August 19, 2017 9:42 AM   Subject: Re: contacting Doug.   Check
> >this out from times past!   Date:Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:49:26 EDT   From:
> >Jamal Mazrui <7.1...@compuserve.com>   Subject: CSUN "Dueling
> Windows"
> >Sensory Access Foundation has published a "Dueling Windows"   report in
> the
> >Spring 1996 issue of Access Review.  It   summarizes a competition among
> >Windows screen readers that was   held at the 1996 CSUN conference in
> >March.  I am prefacing the   article with some tabulations I did with its
> >data.   Since the article does not quantify the performance of each
> >screen reader according to its criteria, I did such an analysis   for the
> >interest of readers.  I assigned a value of 2 for   accomplishing a task,
> 1
> >for accomplishing it with difficulty, and   0 for failing it.  If anyone
> >observes an error in my arithmetic,   please let me know.   Artic's
> >WinVision   accomplished: 7   accomplished with difficulty: 2   failed: 6
> >total points: 16   average: 1.06   Berkeley's OutSpoken for Windows
> >accomplished: 9   accomplished with difficulty: 5   failed: 1   total
> >points: 23   average: 1.53   GW Micro's Window-Eyes   accomplished: 5
> >accomplished with difficulty: 1   failed: 9   total points: 11   average:
> >.73   Henter-Joyce's JAWS for Windows   accomplished: 13   accomplished
> >with difficulty: 1   failed: 1   total points: 27   average: 1.8   IBM's
> >Screen Reader/2   accomplished: 13   accomplished with difficulty: 1
> >failed: 1   total points: 27   average: 1.8   Syntha-Voice's Window 

RE: been a great ride

[Andre via Talk]

As someone who used GW  Micro products from the very beginning, at least
since in 1990, I miss WE already. It's a shame. Seems like perhaps Doug and
Dan were deceived by AI Squared. Just my opinion. Could be completely wrong.
It's appalling that Doug didn't have any say on whether AI Squared merged or
was bought out by VFO. That left us to be devoured by the shark. Anyway, I
just wanted to express that.

What's the NVDA list? How and where do I subscribe? I need help with that
screen reader. Thanks as always,



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:13 PM
To: 'Tony C'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: been a great ride

Hello Tony.  Yeah I can understand what you mean.  There are some people
where I live who have never even heard of Window-Eyes, and even if some do
here, it only by name, they haven't really had a chance to try it.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:43 AM
To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: been a great ride

Hi, I've dealth with rehab in several states and over the years nearly every
onepushed Jaws, and some even claimed to not know anything about WE. I've
also see a lot of "underhanded" things done by organization for and of the
blind. One place devised a scam to get paid for clients room and board not
only from the rehab that send client to them for trainning, but also from
section 8, they were getting paid double for clients room and board untill
the whistle got blown on them, quite by accident.

-Original Message-
From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:21 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: been a great ride

I have been a member of this list for many many years and have received lots
of help over those years.  Sadly I have moved away from Window Eyes and am
now using NVDA as well as the free transfer to Jaws.  Thanks to Doug for
getting us WE users that free Jaws as I would have never paid for Jaws.
Having made the switch I know that WE has been the best screen reader for me
and it is a dam shame that Doug and crew couldn't have done a better job of
promoting their product so they could have beaten Jaws.  Thanks to all that
have put up with me.  I am now unsubscribing from the list and hope to see
many of you on the NVDA and Jaws lists.
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RE: Reading Internet Table With Window-eyes

[Andre via Talk]

Hey, you're not the only one. I still use Window-Eyes. I use it on Win 10. I
think it's still better than jaws even though it hasn't been developed in
probably over a year. That's really a shame since it's better in so many
ways, especially with its more open scripting possibilities, not than I'm a
scripter although I'd like to know how to do that.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 9:39 PM
To: Rod Hutton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Reading Internet Table With Window-eyes

Hi, Rod,

I feel as though I am the only person left on the GWmicro list.  Just 
started using windows 10 and still use window-eyes.  I presume most everyone

has moved to the vfo list, so, could you send me the address of the jaws 
list?  There may be questions I need to ask regarding windows 10.  Sure 
would appreciate it.

Norene Trappa



-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 10:05 PM
To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Reading Internet Table With Window-eyes

Hi Ted,

To be clear, then, as Vic replied, use the Insert-arrows to navigate tables.
This is because there Is no need to go out of and into table mode in the 
newest versions of Window-Eyes.
Yet, there is still the ability to navigate to them and within them.
Keep in mind, however, that for tables within Adobe Acrobat Reader, you must

still go into and out of tables, while internal navigation is identical.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
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Of Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: June 16, 2017 9:01 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Reading Internet Table With Window-eyes

Dear List who are still left:

Since table mode is gone from window-eyes, how do I read this table so that
it will make sense?  It shows music albums for the last several years.  The
web site is:

www.wsiu.org/celticconnections-albums/


Thanks for your help.  Regards:  Ted Larson



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RE: End of Life Message

[Andre via Talk]

I think it's nonvisual desktop application or access. Something like that.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Paulette Vickery via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 12:01 PM
To: 'nick danger'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: End of Life Message

What does NVDA, stand for?
Also, where do I go to learn more about it? Thanks.

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of nick danger via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 11:42 AM
To: 'Andre'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: End of Life Message

Hi,

Oh my goodness Roflol, lmao!  This has got to be one of the greatest wakeup
messages I've ever seen!  Hilarious! I haven't written in quite some time
primarily because when freedom scientific purchased AI squared, I could see
the writing on the wall.  I certainly will miss working with window eyes and
will probably still love it because it gave me something no screen reader
ever did, a career. 

In July of last year I started working with NVDA and am contributing as much
of my window eyes knowledge to new users that are making the transition from
Window Eyes to NVDA. I personally would like to invite anyone in this
community to join me and my friends of the NVDA community and help us with
our mission to be the best screen reader not just for a few of us but all of
us users of adaptive technology. Another one of my colleagues has put it
best.  His post follows my signature.
Tony

Many of you may have heard about the end of sales for Window-Eyes screen
reader. In the early 2000's, Window-Eyes was considered a good alternative
to JAWS for Windows when it came to using Microsoft Windows with screen
readers. With the acquisition of GW Micro by AI Squared, which in turn was
acquired by VFO last year, many analysts predicted the end of life for this
screen reader, which occurred on May 15, 2017.
This news has huge implications for the global NVDA community, as well as
opening opportunities for us. As many Window-Eyes users are eligible to
upgrade to JAWS 18, some would choose to switch to NVDA. At the moment
several individuals are producing tutorials aimed at helping Window-Eyes
users transition to NVDA with ease. But users aren't the only members of the
Window-Eyes community: with the end of sales for Window-Eyes, many scripts
(or apps) for Window-Eyes became unsupported, and it won't be matter of time
before they become part of history.
In hopes of inviting Window-Eyes users and developers to join the NVDA
ecosystem (provided they are willing), I'd like to propose a community-wide
initiative under the umbrella of Project Contact Lenses. Although this
project may take different forms, the overall aim is to educate Window-Eyes
community that NVDA is a viable option for many people, and a chance for
writers of Window-Eyes apps to port their code to the add-ons
infrastructure. Other activities may include equipping some Window-Eyes app
developers to contribute code to NVDA Core, producing promotional materials,
organizing online seminars and so on. Although the bulk of this project is
aimed at Window-Eyes users, the ultimate goal is to embrace users of other
screen readers to taste NVDA.
Some of the activities I plan to do include:
. An online seminar or an intensive lab on creating add-ons and/or getting
started with contributing code to NVDA Core.
. Talking to Window-Eyes app writers about possibility of open-sourcing
their code and helping them port apps to the add-ons infrastructure.
Some of the things the global community can do include:
. Producing transition materials.
. Contacting Window-Eyes distributors in your local community and inviting
them to try NVDA.
. Contacting script writers regarding apps and proposing add-ons.
. Holding seminars aimed at users of other screen readers 9mostly
Window-Eyes users) on how to master various NVDA concepts such as object
navigation, browse mode and others.
As for the duration of this initiative, I don't know, but I expect this to
be at least several months or more.
Comments are appreciated.
Cheers,
Joseph  

   

To love someone deeply
Gives you strength.
Being loved by someone deeply
Gives you courage.


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+danger567=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Andre via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 6:23 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: End of Life Message

Now that was truly hilarious Olusegun. Even though I hate the death of
Window-Eyes, I really enjoyed your message. Of course, this could be in bad
taste, but I wish it had been the biggest giant instead because I realize
after taking it for a spin for a day or so just how powerful Window-Eyes
truly was with it's more open scripting nature than JAWS. Plus, just the way
things are done in JAWS to me seems a little antiquated and clunky

RE: End of Life Message

[Andre via Talk]

Now that was truly hilarious Olusegun. Even though I hate the death of
Window-Eyes, I really enjoyed your message. Of course, this could be in bad
taste, but I wish it had been the biggest giant instead because I realize
after taking it for a spin for a day or so just how powerful Window-Eyes
truly was with it's more open scripting nature than JAWS. Plus, just the way
things are done in JAWS to me seems a little antiquated and clunky. But I
suppose I just have to get used to it and I really am grateful for the
opportunity.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 3:56 PM
To: 'Carol and Roger'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: End of Life Message

Ain't it nice that Window-Eyes is finally announcing its own obituary?  I
know it does take a while to bury a giant, especially when so many friends,
family, and well wishers are expected to show up at the funeral.  Hmm, sleep
well Window-Eyes!  Everything does die after a fashion, it's your turn,
sleep well!  There will come a day when my fingers can't type a character on
this keyboard anymore, and I'll join you in that grave!  For now, sleep well
and prepare a smooth passage space for me!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Eloquence pitch in jaws?

[Andre via Talk]

I really don't like the default pitch for the Jaws eloquence. Is it possible
to change this? I know with Window-eyes I could, but for some reason I
haven't found how to do it in Jaws. I found something that says the pitch
for uppercase where you can input a percent. I haven't found anything else.

 

Along the same lines are there hot keys to rotor through the screen,
keyboard, mouse, virtual cursor settings. In Window-Eyes it was
control-Alt-arrows etc. Still trying to get used to things. I just activated
my copy today.

 

Much thanks,

 

Andre

 

 

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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Andre via Talk]

Hi Sky,

WWhere do you get Dave's historical account from?


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:20 AM
To: 'CJ  MAY'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Oh btw guys,  Dave Williams, an AT specialist and trainer using NVDA and now
NVDA certified, used Window-Eyes and he put together a history of
Window-Eyes from GWMicro from 1.0 to the present. I think you'll find it
fascinating. I have it on my computer.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:18 AM
To: 'Russ Kiehne'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I presume that it is because Window-eyes was purchased with the intention of
eliminating a competitor so they are unlikely to release a source code for
others to develop Window-eyes.

I'm really sorry and a bit fed-up too that Window-eyes is to be discontinued
but can see it is a business decision - no different than other take-overs.

 

Alison

 

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Migration of Features?

[Andre via Talk]

Have any Window-Eyes features been implemented into Jaws like its various
scripting languages flexibility? If not, is that something on the table? How
about other Window-Eyes features? To me, it's great if you have a current
retail copy of WE, but I think VFO could have gone even farther and should
in making the Window-Eyes customers feel more like giving JAWS a try. I
think most of us feel like strangers to JAWS and that would go along way in
feeling at home with JAWS assuming they want to keep the customer database
as satisfied customers. Afterall, Window-Eyes already has a Jaws keyboard
layout. How difficult is it for VFO to have created a Window-Eyes keyboard
layout which would make learning Jaws and getting up to speed with it a
whole lpot easier?

 

I don't think a company should be too arogant just because they appear to be
the only game in town. Upstart companies arrive on the seen everyday and
take the game to a whole new level.

 

Just my opinions!

 

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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Andre via Talk]

It's very very sad for me as a loyal Window-Eyes user for about 27 years (well 
as a GW Micro client for 27 years). It was such an awesome company with 
tremendous customer service. I'll miss that because they also shared their 
depth of computer knowledge on other matters even if they weren't directly 
associated with Window-Eyes but that just affected overall computer performance.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Chris T via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 6:01 PM
To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I feel the same, though I am just going to speed up my move to Mac. I 
already use VoiceOver on most of my devices other than my desktop. I will 
likely do the SMA transfer since I paid for the updates, but I don't think I 
will use Jaws very much.

Regards,

Chris T

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From: Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

This is indeed very sad.  I have been a loyal user of Window-Eyes for
nearly 14 years, and really enjoyed using it.  But I've decided to bow
to the inevitable and use Jaws, especially since employers are going to
be using it, and will not consider NVDA.  I don't blame the staff
remaining behind for Window-Eyes being phased out, I could tell this was
not what they wanted.  I am glad to have been a user of Window-Eyes, and
I want to thank Aaron and Doug for all they have done, and the same to
those no longer working at VFO.
On 15/05/2017 15:14, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes 
> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the 
> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada 
> should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to 
> our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software 
> maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support 
> to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
> software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or 
> applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for 
> your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering 
> JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a 
> smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases 
> and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x 
> will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can 
> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can 
> continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free 
> version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our 
> sales team at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA 
> program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>
> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple 
> web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact 
> you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional 
> information if necessary.
>
> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 
> by July 31, 2017.
>
> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is 
> not part of the conversion program.
>
> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at 
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RE: Questions re WE

[Andre via Talk]

Who really knows. It's pretty pathetic that we as long time faithful users
have been completely kept in the dark as far as future actual solution-based
development of the product goes. Therefore, if VFO doesn't present something
satisfactory to us, we'll just express ourselves with our walets.
Supposedly, there will be some news this quarter which ends in June I
believe. Talk about dragging a thing out!!!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Karyn Campbell via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 8:00 AM
To: Window-Eyes list
Subject: Questions re WE

Hello all,

I am back after an extended absence from this list. Sorry to come back with
a bang but I need some answers.

At work I am trying to get my employer to upgrade me to the latest version.
That's not really the issue right now. The SMA is the issue though and I
need some answers before I press them for that one.

What is the status of Window-Eyes? If it were to go away, what is the plan
for those of us who use it? Is it even worth getting an SMA right now?

Answers would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E.
11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with
Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on boht
machines.

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RE: choosing from a list

[Andre via Talk]

Yes. That's how you can do it. Space on the first item you want to select.
Then hit the control key and the up/down arrow keys until you get the the
next item you want. When you're on that item, hit the space key while
holding down the control key. Do this for everything you want to choose. You
should then be able to use the control-shift-M hotkey to see the items you
have selected.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Don Smith via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 11:39 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: choosing from a list

Hi Folks

 

Yes, I forget a lot, so, a little help.

How to I choose from a list when I want to skip some and then choose other
items?

 

I think it is using the control key and the space bar but not sure

Thanks

Don

 

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RE: Determining Whether Upgrade Occurred

[Andre via Talk]

Curious. Haven't installed update yet. Can you change the key combo for
Narrator to leave off the control and just stick wwith windows-enter?



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On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 5:23 PM
To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Determining Whether Upgrade Occurred

Got the same thing.--Matthew Chao




On 4/11/2017 5:23 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
> Interestingly enough, I just ran updates, and ended up with, not the 
> upgrade, but an update numbered Version 1607 (OS Build 14393.1066). 
> What could be the reason for this? It took me about 20 minutes for the 
> process to complete.
>
> On 4/11/2017 4:05 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
>> 1703 build15063
>>   - Original Message -
>>   From: Matthew Chao via Talk
>>   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>   Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 4:57 PM
>>   Subject: Determining Whether Upgrade Occurred
>>
>>
>>   Hi, Folks.  What version of Windows 10 should I be looking for 
>> following
>>   the upgrade?  Thanks.--Matthew Chao
>>
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RE: Where are the informed comentators?

[Andre via Talk]

I haven't said too much, but as someone who's been a customer of GW Micro
since 1990, my college days, I feel I should also be able to weigh in.
Simply I don't believe VFO cares about us Window-Eyes users whatsoever.
Therefore, unless the deal they might invent better work for me. Otherwise
they won't get my business as it shold be for all of us. We vote with our
wallets as do oher consumers. Obviously they could care less what we think.
Terrible PR is begotten by a lack of compassion or concern. You don't get
rid of 99% of the staff who helped make the product great and expect to
continue that great product line. That's the height of errogance or
stupidity, and that's how you destroy your competition. You create a
situation such that there is no competition. Gw Micro merged with AISquared
who then really sold out to be gobbled up by VFO. It makes me sad. No doubt
Doug knows exactly what's going on and what the plan is for Window-Eyes, but
unfortunately he isn't an independent business owner any more. He now works
for VFO and must abide by VFO policies. I don't fault Doug though for making
what he felt was his best business decision. There are great reasons most of
us on this list stuck with Window-Eyes rather than to migrate to JAWS. But
why list them when they would fall on deaf ears - ears that don't care to
listen.

In this case, we can't vote at the polls since we have no vote that would
count at that table. We must vote with our wallets. Vote with our voices on
blogs. Vote simply by not supporting (if possible) any future products
produced by VFO. That may not be as possible as I would like since they have
eliminated much of the competition thereby destroying much of the consumer's
choice. This country through its laws was supposed to support especially
minority groups being oppressed (and oppressed isn't even  as strong a word
than the one I wanted to use). But anyway does any one really feel supported
by AISquared which really know doesn't exist now? It's all VFO. A real
merger would allow for the existence of AISquared, but it seems to be
apparent to me that this was nothing other than a complete buyout. Hopefully
there will be true alternatives to JAWS. I know NVDA is out there, Narrator
and Voiceover for the Mac. But Narrator and NVDA would really have to come
up a lot to even get anywhere close to where Window-Eyes was. We'll have to
lend some support to the NVDA developers via donations. We all have to make
our own business decisions and what works best for each of us. There isn't
another company like GW Micro was.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:04 PM
To: 'Dave Bahr'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Where are the informed comentators?

Did you ever use Window-Eyes in high school, elementary school, middle
school?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dave Bahr via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 12:50 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Where are the informed comentators?

I debated whether or not to weigh in on this, but as someone who has
literally grown up with window-eyes, I got my first computer in 1997 at age
10 with WE 2.0 on floppy discs, I felt that 20 years of using this reader
day in and day out warranted some sort of response.

First, a recent story. I had a video driver issue with WE and the latest
build. I couldn't fix it. I did everything to tech support person said that
they would do. He remoted into the machine, no luck. I reformatted the hard
drive, which I had planned to do at some oint to clean things up, and the
driver issue is fixed, knock on wood. I bring all of this up because I said,
point blank, "I have had this issue before and Aaron or Steve sat down with
me and we figured it out." The support person's response was, "those guys
aren't here anymore, so ..." 
So, it sounds like they have laid off the programmers and devs of
window-eyes, holding onto the most basic personelle to answer the most basic
of questions. Mine was a big curve ball, at least that's the way it felt. 

So, we'll see, I intend to hold on until the last because I cannot afford
JFW, my Voc Rehab case is closed, and not sure about learning a new screen
reader. Or then there's NVDA, free, but confusing for me. Maybe it's easier
than I think it is to learn the structure. 
All for now, just my quick thoughts.
Thanks, Dave
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dcbahr1=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:08 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Loy

Subject: Re: Where are the informed comentators?

Plans to cling to my current zt fusion and will refuse to upgrade.  The zt
we combo works so well for me.


"the world has been 

Podcasting?

[Andre via Talk]

I want to begin a podcast. I need some help on how to begin though,
especially on the cheap. I'd love to contact someone off list. Any takers?
What's a decent microphone to use. I just have a laptop, running vista on
one machine and win 10 on another. We 9.5.4. Somewhat trying to learn
wordpress. Are there any good plugins that you'd recommend for listing your
podcast in directories, organizing them on your site, playing them their
Etc? How about software for editing the podcast and doing interviews with
others.

All recommendations must of course be WE friendly preferably.

 

Thanks so much!

Andre,

 

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RE: Support????

[Andre via Talk]

Me too because I was so surprised by your email. I figured I'd check it out
as well. Still on hold for about 2-3 minutes so far. They just play on hold
ads for zoomtext etc. Oh, I should say I called the Indiana office of AI
Squared.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Mike Rogers via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 9:08 AM
To: Window Eyes List
Subject: Support

Well...I tried calling support with my aps problem.  No one there, not
support, not sales and not even the operator.  Strange, considering all the
talk, lately.  Jawa is looking better, all the time.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com
www.woodeneyemusic.com


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RE: backup copy of window eyes 8.4

[Andre via Talk]

I don't think th4ey do that unfortunately.

It would be nice to have some old version archives though.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Keith S via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 6:48 PM
To: Ai Squared Support
Cc: gwmicro
Subject: backup copy of window eyes 8.4

Hello,

I have been using windows xp during the updates to window eyes to it's
current version, and have not kept up with the updates due to the fact that
I could not use them on an xp machine.

I now have a windows 8 machine (used) and am wondering if you still offer,
for a price, a backup copy on CD of window eyes 8.4 for use on the windows 8
computers?

I have the original copy of my 7.5 window eyes cd,and the update file from
the gwmicro.com website before AI squared purchased gwmicro, but am
wondering if there is a way to obtain an installation cd from your archives,
or if you all deleted the older version of window eyes from your archive
servers.

Thank you

Keith Steinbach
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RE: Wayning Window-eyes. Aaron?

[Andre via Talk]

Unfortunately, We've lost so much staff. Is Aaron still part of the WE team?
He dealt with app development etc.? Hopefully he still is because the moment
he's not is the very second you can confirm the death of Window Eyes.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 2:47 PM
To: 'Tom Kingston'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Wayning Window-eyes

Absolutely right Tom.  I'm with you already.  If I had the money,  I would
pull GWMicro out of this.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 12:42 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Wayning Window-eyes

I'm with you, Olusegun.

I planned on buying GW, making it a not for profit organization, keeping 
the wonderful staff, and giving Doug an open checkbook to hire a few 
more killer programmers. But then I didn't win our record breaking 1.5 
billion dollar lottery. So I couldn't quite pull together the funding.

Now I just sit here all day listening to Sinatra sing The Impossible 
dream. And I weep.

On 12/19/2016 2:01 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
wrote:
> I wish that the stocks of an adaptive technology company can be publicly
> traded.  I don't have enough pennies to my name, but I'd certainly buy a
few
> just as I do now with penny stocks.  Why adaptive technology companies
won't
> offer sale of stocks to the public blows my mind, but what exactly do I
know
> about business?
>
> If I could, I'd like to rescue GW Micro and bring it back.  Even if the
name
> may change, it certainly WILL NOT be part of the new V F O magic.  I
didn't
> like the merger with AI Squared; when it happened, I cringed!!
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
>
>
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RE: Future of WE

[Andre via Talk]

No, it's not an sma. That was just the price to upgrade certain versions of
WE beginning with v8 I believe. An sma would apply towards major upgrades.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 4:48 PM
To: bj colt; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future of WE

Isn't that an SMA?  I mean $49 was not the whole price of a copy of window 
eyes.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: bj colt via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 11:17 AM
To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future of WE

Hi,

As far as I am aware aisquared are no longer selling s m a's. In an email
from someone at aisquared a few months ago. The person sending the email to
asquared asked if s m a's could be purchased and how much they were. The
aisquared person stated that the cost of an upgrade was $49 but did not
mention s m a's. Leading me to believe then that window-eyes was not safe at
that point.

I keep a very slight hope that window-eyes will survive but all the signs
say it won't. A good Company with a good Public Relations office would have
kept window-eyes customers up to date with internal events in VFO. Sadly
this company hasn't, neither has aisquared. It is the lack of information
that is the problem. Taking into account dealers being informed that
window-eyes and related products will no longer be on offer after December
the first is extremely worrying. Add up all the negatives one does get an
idea window-eyes will be discontinued. As there are absolutely no positives.
What else are window-eyes customers to conclude. All down to both VFO and
Asquared for not keeping us up to date. As window-eyes customers we have the
right to be informed about the product we have loyally supported for over
two decades.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 3:58 PM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future of WE

Yep, that that requires logical thinking which isn't to common these
days.  If they are still selling s m a contracts, that is a little odd.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Sun, 27 Nov 2016, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

> With several employees leaving AI Squared and VFO instructing dealers to 
> no longer sell Window Eyes, that should tell you something?
>
> -Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 3:10 PM
> To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; 'Dave'
> Subject: Re: Future of WE
>
> I'm not sure I understand why some here feel this urgent need to switch
> to another screen reader at this moment.
>
> On 11/26/2016 6:03 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>>  Jaws 18 is out and should have a demo.
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: Talk
>>  [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>  On Behalf Of Dave via Talk
>>  Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 1:51 PM
>>  To: A I Squared Support
>>  Subject: Future of WE
>>
>>  I must admit, the Future of Window Eyes does look like it could be very
>>  limited, as in soon to be Discontinued.   But, who knows for sure.  The
>>  Parent Company might be slow and Cumbersome which makes them slow to do
>>  anything that gets back to the customersSlow to announce new stuff,
>>  slow to bring out Updates, slow to Fix problems etc.
>>
>>  I too am starting to use NVDA a bit more.   On my System, NVDA is just a
>>  touch slower, and I am still not understanding it way of reading parts 
>> of
>>  the screen, at least not consistently.
>>
>>  email, MS Word and the Internet all seem to read well enough.  Some 
>> times
>>  a
>>  bit too much is spoken, and I am still learning how to make NVDA speak
>>  less.
>>
>>  And to be fair, NVDA is not Free, but you can obtain it for Free, use 
>> it,
>>  and if you like it, then the owners and creators of NVDA would love to 
>> see
>>  a
>>  Donation come their way.  Money does motivate the continued improvement 
>> of
>>  their product.
>>
>>  If more money had been coming into GW Micro, then A I Squared would not
>>  have bought GW Micro.   and this discussion would never have taken 
>> place.
>>
>>  I doubt if any of us would work for Free indefinitely.   And the guys
>>  who have put NVDA together would not put in so much effort into NVDA if
>>  they
>>  did not receive enough to make it worth their time and energy.
>>
>>  The thing about NVDA is that you can donate $50 and the guys will be
>>  grateful.  $50 is cheaper than $1300 for JAWS.
>>
>>  NVDA doesn't do everything JAWS does, but to be honest, I do not need
>>  NVDA to do everything JAWS does.Each person will need to find out if
>>  NVDA will do everything they need it to do.  If it doesn't, and we all
>>  find
>>  out that Window Eyes is truly Dead, then those needing more will need to
>>  start saving up for their copy of 

RE: Future of WE

[Andre via Talk]

Is there any kind of mouse key functionality with NVDA? I know I've used it
for a bit and couldn't find any. How about scripting capabilities? How about
labeling graphics etc.?

If not, that's why I haven't tried using it as much although I like some of
its functions where it reads certain things that WE doesn't on the web. But
I love WE. Been using WE since 1990 as Vocal-Eyes, one of the best programs
ever made.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 11:09 AM
To: CJ  MAY; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future of WE

Oh the shark bites!  Not interested.  Don't like the lack of 
transparency, and I don't like options being forced down our throats.  
There needs to be more competition, not a monoply.--Matthew Chao




On 11/26/2016 12:00 PM, CJ  MAY via Talk wrote:
> Well I plan to keep my head in the sand for as long as I can and stick
with
> what I know.
>
> I doubt that I will ever go over to Jaws but will stay sitting on the
fence
> for as long as I possibly can to see what solutions work for others who
are
> also reluctant to go over to the Shark!
>
>   
>
> Alison
>
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RE: Saying goodbye

[Andre via Talk]

Thanks so much Marc.Big time  Congrats! You always gave us great resources
and suggestions.

I'm really happy for you.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 4:07 PM
To: Marc Solomon; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Saying goodbye

I am a Chase customer, so I look forward to great things happening in terms 
of accessibility.

Best wishes,
Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 1:35 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Saying goodbye

Hi everyone,
It has been a pleasure and a privilege to be part of the Window-Eyes 
community for the past 7 years. So, it is with a heavy heart that I share 
this news. Today is my last day working for Ai Squared. I was made a job 
offer that was too good to refuse. As much as I love my current job, this 
was the best decision for my family. Next month, I will start my new job as 
a Senior Accessibility Specialist for JP Morgan Chase. This position will 
give me the opportunity to help Chase further their mission to build 
inclusive digital experiences for all of their customers. If you would like 
to stay in touch, feel free to follow me on Twitter. I don't tweet often, 
but when I do, I usually distribute information on digital accessibility and

assistive technology. My handle is mr_marcsolomon. As a final thought, 
please continue to educate others about the importance of accessibility and 
do what you can to help make this world a better place.
Cheers,
Marc
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Revo uninstaller pro, or total uninstaller pro?

[Andre via Talk]

Has anyone had any success using either of these programs with WE? I'm not
talking about the free version of revo uninstaller, v1.95. I know those
menus are accessible. Just need an uninstaller for my Windows 10 machine.
I'd like to get rid of some trial versions.

 

Thanks again,

 

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RE: GW Script Update site down?

[Andre via Talk]

I'd like to be able to agree with you as well, but too many times, whatever
a company believes is the bottom line (mainly profit) seems to rule no
matter who it pulls the rug from under.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 3:27 PM
To: Rod Hutton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: GW Script Update site down?

I agree with you Rod.
- Original Message - 
From: "Rod Hutton via Talk" 
To: "'Sky Mundell'" ; "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 

Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 2:32 PM
Subject: RE: GW Script Update site down?


> Hi Sky,
>
> The problem with this point of view is that it overlooks the fact that the
> umbrella company is sensitive to the fact that, whether one is a user of
> Jaws or Window-Eyes, they already have had enough difficulty in their 
> lives
> adjusting to their screen reader.
> To pull the rug out from under them and arbitrarily discontinue the
> development of their primary PC interface would simply be nasty, and so I
> don't think this will happen, not as brutally as people seem to be
> envisioning it.
>
> With respect and hope,
>
> Rod Hutton
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf
> Of Sky Mundell via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 1:55 PM
> To: 'Don H' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> ; 'Chris Grabowski' 
> Subject: RE: GW Script Update site down?
>
> Absolutely and I've been a WE user for 9 years, and only last year I got
> certified in it.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Don H via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 10:32 AM
> To: Chris Grabowski; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: GW Script Update site down?
>
> You have to know that all the long time users of WE like myself are 
> worried
> about the future of Window Eyes.  Guess it just doesn't make sense for 
> there
> to be two screen readers owned by the same company.
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Microsoft Account? WE not reading clickable link!

[Andre via Talk]

I just created an ms account at account.microsoft.com. I couldn't figure out
how to log out, so I resorted to NVDA. It read the clickable link just below
the support link that led me to a place where I could log out at. Using WE
9.5.1, vista32, and FF 47.x (latest edition). Are there any WE settings I
can check to get this to read since it's my primary screen reader?

 

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Any tips for doing a clean install of windows 10?

[Andre via Talk]

My computer is an acer which came with some programs preinstalled. I'd like
to be able to possibly reinstall some of them. How would I go about doing
this if I do a clean install of windows 10? 



Also are there any tips for how to do a clean install like how many times
might the computer reboot before I can use narrator to finish the setup? 

 

Do I need a Microsoft account to do a clean install or to finish the setup?

 

Any other tips?

 

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RE: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update: The Results Will Surprise You!

[Andre via Talk]

Me either. I started with Vocal-eyes back in 1990 or so, in college. It was
awesome. Let's bring back dos!


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 4:26 PM
To: 'Sky Mundell'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update: The
Results Will Surprise You!

It saddens me that there are so many people, especially here in the UK, who
don't know about Window-eyes' existence.

I have used this screenreader right from the start, in fact when it was
called Vocal-eyes and used to provide access to DOS - this must be providing
some clues to my age!

But I've never regretted my choice. 

Alison

 

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RE: Desk Top Alerts

[Andre via Talk]

Try that combo twice, or control-insert-Plus twice. Then route the mouse to it.


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 4:16 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Desk Top Alerts

I know this bhas been covered before, but I can’t remember how to 
doit.Occasionally, I’ll get an alert that may be on the screen for a few 
seconds and disappears. How can I act on these? I tried pressing Insert+Numpad 
Plus and Numpad * for a right-click but that didn’t seem to work.
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RE: Shortcut Keys for Starting NVDA

[Andre via Talk]

Control-alt-N


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On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 11:32 AM
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Subject: Shortcut Keys for Starting NVDA

Hi, Folks.  Am having Windows problems with a laptop and have NVDA 
onboard.  What's the keyboard shortcut to start NVDA so I can uninstall 
Window-Eyes 9.5.1 and go back to 9.3.1? Thanks.--Matthew Chao



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RE: clickable links? NVDA vs. WE 9.5.1

[Andre via Talk]

Sorry about that. Here it is:

http://www.groupcoachingsuccess.com/live/

Thanks 
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 10:57 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: clickable links? NVDA vs. WE 9.5.1

What web page and what are you trying to play?

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On August 6, 2016 11:26:56 AM Andre via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

> Will a kind lister check out this link for me? I'm trying to get it to
play
> with WE 9.5.1. I had to turn on NVDA just to even find out that there was
> something that was clickable. I can get it to play with NVDA. Are there
some
> settings I need to change in WE to announce these clickable links? I think
> all the verbosity settings are set, but I could be missing something.
>
>  
>
> Using ff 47, vista32, WE 9.5.1
>
>  
>
> Much thanks,
>
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clickable links? NVDA vs. WE 9.5.1

[Andre via Talk]

Will a kind lister check out this link for me? I'm trying to get it to play
with WE 9.5.1. I had to turn on NVDA just to even find out that there was
something that was clickable. I can get it to play with NVDA. Are there some
settings I need to change in WE to announce these clickable links? I think
all the verbosity settings are set, but I could be missing something.

 

Using ff 47, vista32, WE 9.5.1

 

Much thanks,

 

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9.5.1 installation problem for vista32

[Andre via Talk]

I tried both installing by downloading the upgrade file, and by just
installing from the help update link. I still get the same errors. It says,
from what I can figure out with NVDa which I'm not too familiar with, bad
image c:\windows\system32 gwm hook.dll is either not designed to run on
windows or it contains an error. Try installing the program again or using
the original installation media or trying contacting your system
administrator or software vendor for support.

 

For some reason, this same error comes up every time I launch a program or
application. I remember reading about the .sha and I checked my system for
the necessary file. It seems like that file was installed 3 years ago when I
check my view update history.

 

What can I do. I was doing this upgrade from version 9.4. Do you think I
need a zipped file of the whole WE 9.5.1 program rather than just the
upgrade file. My 9.4 installed perfectly from the zip file I received from
support. 

 

Thanks for your suggestions and your help,

 

 

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RE: i guess i installed too soon

[Andre via Talk]

I also got a bunch of errors, .dll errors saying something about this
version of windows. Even launching nvda was a problem, but got it done. It
seems like every .exe program or whatever couldn't really start without some
error coming up, even with something like  the google updater. I had to
eventually get loggedin to my pc and use system restore.

So I'll probably wait and just download the actual program file rather than
just automatically installing from the WE 9.5.1 prompt when WE first
launches.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of mcleod stinnett via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 11:56 AM
To: talk
Subject: i guess i installed too soon

i tried to install w/e 5 from the message prompt and after i did, got a
bunch of run time errors, so i used revo uninstaller and nvda to get rid of
it. later today i will down my own copy from the web site and use that to
install, like i have done in the past.
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RE: router suggestions

[Andre via Talk]

I think you should test it also downstairs with your iphone. Wi-fi signals,
the walls, pipes, etc. could be enterfering with the type of signal you're
receiving upstairs. So before tossing your lynksis, if you haven't already
done so, then make sure to do the speed test with your iphone closest to the
router.
I've experienced the same thing as well. 

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On Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:31 PM
To: j...@jedbarton.com; Jed Barton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: router suggestions

synology makes a very nice one, $150.

On Thursday, July 21, 2016, Jed Barton via Talk 
wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> OK, i need to get a new router.  Perhaps some of you guys can comment,
> perhaps it's me, but the quality of routers seems to be really going down
> hill.  I've had this linksys for about 2 years and it's nearly shot.  Put
> it this way, we measured the speed of my cable modem, it's 60 megs
> download, and when i tested it upstairs with speedtest on my iphone it
went
> down to 20 megs.  I really suspect the signal is just not getting out.  I
> need to fix this once  and for all.  Any ideas?
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RE: can't review text in forms

[Andre via Talk]

I agree. I'm still using vista on one of mine, and it acts like that as well
with FF 47.x. Ridiculous. This has been happening for quite a while with all
the releases from WE 9.0 on.


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Ashley Breger via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:27 PM
To: j...@jedbarton.com; Jed Barton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: can't review text in forms



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 20, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Jed Barton via Talk
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> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> Alright, this is getting super old, and i'mr eally tired of it.  9 times
out of 10, using the latest firefox, we 9.4, and windows 10, when i am
typing in a form, i often can't review or edit text.  I should be able to
while in an edit field arrow up and down to review the text, and edit it.
Most of the time i can't.  I'm getting really tired of having to re-focus
windows in the hopes it might work. Does anyone know the reason for this,
and if there is a fix?  No reason why this should be happening
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RE: A RADIO STATION FOR THE DISABLED , ALL DISABLED

[Andre via Talk]

When does this air, and exactly when can you call in? Is it daily Monday
through Friday, or once a week on Sunday nights or something?

Thanks,


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On Behalf Of Helen Murphy via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 4:04 AM
To: Norene Trappa; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: A RADIO STATION FOR THE DISABLED , ALL DISABLED

 THERE IS A RADIO STATION CALLED INNERSIGHT FOR ALL DISABLED, WEEKLY TALK
RADIO STARTING AT 9 PM SHARP CALL IN TO 213-816-1650.
FOR DETAILS CALL IN TALK TO CEO FRANK PERINO HIM SELFCALL 631-478-3590
SAY HELEN MURPHY SENT YOUHELEN MURPHY NEW YORK INNERSIGHT IS ON FACE BOOK SO
AM I WITH A PHOTO OF A DOG 
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RE: like jaws insert-f10?

[Andre via Talk]

What's the hotkey or keystrokes to activate this function in Window Eyes?

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On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 2:59 PM
To: 'Rod Hutton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: like jaws insert-f10?

Hi Rod. Actually, That function does exist in Window-Eyes as well but you
have to use the zoomtext fusion layouts which uses the defaults.
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Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 12:57 PM
To: 'Curtis Delzer'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: like jaws insert-f10?

Hi Curtis,

I'm not sure exactly what the competitor's app does, but if you're simply
looking for an app which allows you to label and switch to visible windows,
Chip Orange's HotWind app might work for you.

Hth,

Rod

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[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
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Sent: May 27, 2016 2:59 PM
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Subject: like jaws insert-f10?

Hi all! There is one command in JFW which I find extremely valuable here in
windows ten, and that is the "jaws key, f10" command which gives the list of
windows showing, but often, in windows ten, there are hidden windows by
which cannot be reached easily by hitting alt-tab too and from. :) Is there
a script which is available which can be downloaded which simulates or
perhaps does better this "listing of the windows" command and then gives the
ability to "close" them?
I've found things which are behind the "alt-tab" windows which seem to make
my computer more "snappy" if I close them using that jaws key f10 window
list.

--
Curtis Delzer 

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RE: Accessible Blogging

[Andre via Talk]

How much does that cost?

How much or how deeply does it go into wordpress?



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On Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 8:06 AM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Accessible Blogging

It was custom remote training that the client paid for. 
Regards,
Marc

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On May 25, 2016 8:27:43 AM Darrell Bowles  wrote:

> And where can we find this training? :-)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 25, 2016, at 8:23 AM, Marc Solomon via Talk
 wrote:
>> 
>> I do and have also provided training on using Wordpress with Window-Eyes.
>> Marc
>> 
>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
>> http://www.aqua-mail.com
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>> On May 25, 2016 7:31:00 AM Samuel Wilkins  wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone on the list use that?
>> 
>> On 25/05/2016 12:12, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote:
>> 
>> I know of at least one Window-Eyes user who is using Wordpress to
successfully manage a personnel blog.
>> Best,
>> Marc
>> 
>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
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>> 
>> On May 25, 2016 4:22:00 AM Samuel Wilkins via Talk
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I was wondering if anyone knows of an accessible blogging site that 
>> works with Window-Eyes.  I would like to start writing a blog, but 
>> most of the ones I have come across are not accessible.
>> 
>> 
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RE: LongReply to Andre

[Andre via Talk]

Thanks Dave. That helps.


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On Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 7:18 PM
To: A I Squared Support
Subject: OT: LongReply to Andre

Hello Andre,

How do I do Research?  Good question.

And do I get paid for doing it?  I wish.  

It started out with me because I am a Curious guy.  Plus I never take No for
an Answer, especially if I smell there is more to the story than what I have
been told.  

My work is more Theological, but I do look into subjects that are not
strictly Theological.  Currently I am collecting info about Near Death
Experiences, known as NDE's.  

Starting out with a basic curiosity, what are they, what are the accounts of
those who have had them.  Are there similarities.  Are there similarities
across Race, and Cultural lines?  Do those from other Countries, where there
are other Religions have the same experiences as those from other Nations
that lean more towards Christianity?  

What about those who have an NDE that are not Religious at all?  Are there
any similarities.  

Andre, I then may try to find someone who has had an NDE so I may ask them
questions of my own.  

I may find such a person, or several people that have had NDE experiences on
a Web Site where the Web site is dedicated to keeping track of and reporting
and recording testimonies of those who have had an NDE.  

When I find such a place, and there are such places, I may contact someone
and ask them if they would be willing to talk with me by phone.  

This is a project I am working on right now.I am still not sure just how
far I will take it.  I seem to be hearing many of the same kinds of reports
but not much new when it comes to new information.Even those that had
have such NDE experiences often have no idea where they were, or why they
experienced what they experienced.  One common outcome for many of these
people is they no longer fear death.  Even those who were Non-religious
seem to have little fear of the life after this one.  


Another subject I started out with because of curiosity was investigating
something a Bible verse said.

Something I researched a little before this was that in the Bible, it states
that the World will be Blessed through the Jews.  

I have noticed that Jews have been a Target for several thousand years,
dating all the way back to Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael.Since then, there
have been constant friction between the Jews and the rest of the world,
especially those nations that are bordering the land that would become
Israel.  

I am not Jewish myself, but I have wondered why there is such Hatred towards
a population of people that number only about 20 Million worldwide.  

Going on the verse that said the World would be Blessed through the Jews, I
started, and accidentally stumbled on a piece that someone else had written.
I took from it what info it would give me, which was a list of a few medical
breakthrough discovered by Jewish doctors and researchers.  

I checked out the Nobel Peace Prizes and found that  through about 2005, as
many as 130 Men and women of Jewish ancestry had won the Peace Prize for
their work in every category the Peace Prize covers.  

Along with the verse that expresses the World would be Bless through the
Jews, it also states that any who fight against the Jews will be cursed.  

The Muslims have fought the Jews since about the 7th Century, and since the
Nobel Peace Prize has been given, only about 7 Muslims have won it, and most
of those for something they have written.  For instance yaser Arafat and
President Obama have both won the Nobel Peace prize.  Both for writing about
Peace.  Although, I will leave it to you whether or not either of these men
were truly Peaceful.   Certainly Yaser  Arafat was no Peace lover,
especially towards the Jews.  

So this little Report was started out by my reading a verse that caught my
attention, and it built from there.  

Surprisingly, there indeed has been a Ton of stuff that has come from those
who are Jewish, that any would think of as a blessing.  I mean the list is
overwhelmingly long.  

As for making money at doing this-

I have a good friend that keeps telling me I should sell my services.   The
problem is that I am incredibly slow.  

If I land on a new Web site, I might be able to make sense of it within 45
minutes, or after stumbling around for a couple of hours, I still may not be
able to do much with the site.  

Before I acquired this current old/new machine, I was having massive
problems doing much on line.  Since WE 9 came along, I have had nightmare
issues with it.  That is until a few weeks ago when this new system came
along.  

I still have troubles on many web sites. But since I am not working for
anyone but myself and a few friends, I do not worry too much about those Web
Sites I cannot get to.  I go with what info I can find and leave it at that.
If I were to sell my 

RE: In the process of upgrading to Windows 10, but a question or two

[Andre via Talk]

How do you know which version to download? The n, kn, single language etc.?
I know I have a 64bit machine. I'm trying to download the tool though using
my vista machine just because it's easier for me at this moment.


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On Behalf Of Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 9:54 AM
To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: In the process of upgrading to Windows 10, but a question or
two

Larry,


That's how I upgraded the computers around here.  I used the media 
creation tool which is available from Microsoft.  I deleted the file 
after upgrading all of the computers, but just search for it on the 
Microsoft.com site.  I didn't download the Windows 10 installation file 
on a flash drive, just put the creation tool file on a flash drive and 
let each computer download its own copy of the installation file, it 
didn't take that long, only about an hour or so to download the file.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 4/16/2016 7:58 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> Do you remember where you found the media tool, and if so, where.
>
> I really don't mind waiting a bit for my download, but I really don't 
> appreciate having no indication as to if the download is even taking 
> place. I see  no indication that any vestige of the file has been 
> downloaded anywhere, not even in the temp folder. I've checked the 
> temp folder by using the run command, and typing temp. I guess that is 
> the right way to go about it, as well as the proper folder to be 
> looking for files in the process of being created or in this case, 
> downloaded. Of course, I keep my eye on the download folder as well.
>
> Who knows, my frustrations may be over nothing. I mean, this may be 
> normal behavior for the upgrade process, but I just don't understand 
> why a download process should go so slow, that is if it is going at all.
>
> Anyway, I guess that is enough ranting for one message.
>
> But again Michael, if you could tell me just where to go to find that 
> tool, or how to look for it, that might be the answer.
>
> Just hope I have a flash drive big enough for the download. I think it 
> is supposed to be something like 3gb?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Larry
>
> On 4/16/2016 4:58 AM, michaeel's mail via Talk wrote:
>> Hi I gave up doing it that way my down load was so slow.
>> I down loaded a microsoft media tool that makes a windows 10 folder 
>> on a flash drive then install it from that much faster.
>> Cheers Michael.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 9:52 PM
>> To: Lloyd Rasmussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: In the process of upgrading to Windows 10, but a 
>> question or two
>>
>> Larry,
>>
>> If the download is still showing 0 percent, close that download and
>> start the download  from the beginning again.
>>
>> Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net
>>
>> On 4/15/2016 7:08 AM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
>>> It may have been downloaded already. Or your network is really slow. 
>>> Or the questions are appearing in a different dialog box than the 
>>> one that acts like a web browser. Alt-Tab around and see what else 
>>> is happening.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
>>> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>>> -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
>>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:18 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: In the process of upgrading to Windows 10, but a question 
>>> or two
>>>
>>> Listers,
>>>
>>> Maybe this has been thoroughly covered in previous discussions, but if
>>> so, it has been missed by me.
>>>
>>> I have been in the process of upgrading to Windows 10 since around
>>> 7:30pm yesterday evening, and it is now a little after 4am, and I am
>>> still getting the words when tabbing through the page "Starting
>>> Download" and "loading," but no apparent movement in the process.
>>>
>>> I elected to download rather than install, because I thought that
>>> downloading would give me a better chance of scheduling when the
>>> installation and upgrade would take place, hopefully at a time more
>>> convenient for me. Was this indeed the right choice?
>>>
>>> I realize that this process can take a day or two to complete
>>> altogether, but not getting any feedback or indication of action is a
>>> bit disconcerting to say the least.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help with all of this in advance. I am just a bit
>>> apprehensive about this upgrade to begin with, but this waiting with no
>>> apparent time table is making me a bit crazy .
>>>
>>> Thanks again, and am looking forward to working with W10 when it indeed
>>> actually presents itself for installation.
>>>
>>> Larry
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testing.

[Andre via Talk]

 

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Just testing!

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Screen capturing?

[Andre via Talk]

Hi, I want to mainly be able to take a picture of the screen, especially
when I'm having some troubles on the web with a website. How would I go
about doing this? I think when I go to a website, I would like to be able to
get some sighted assistance on its layout, images etc.

 

Also is it possible to isolate a certain part of a website like the optin
boxes or forms and just capture that so I can email a picture to someone for
help? I wouldn't want to show my desktop or anything like that, just the
website or a small part of a website.

Is there any software that would do this?

 

Thanks a lot for your help.

 

Andre

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9.3.1 Demo times out after 30 minutes.

[Andre via Talk]

I just installed the 9.3 demo so I could try it out, but for some reason, it
only gives me 30 minutes. Then I have to reboot. Does anyone know what
happened or how I can get to test it for the full 60 days like the web page
says? 

 

Thanks,

 

 

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Upgrading? Is that automatically generated or manually?

[Andre via Talk]

Since AI Squared will be closed tomorrow, I was just wondering if I order my
upgrade online, will I be able to download a fully functioning program, or
does someone in the AI Squared office have to create one for me to download?
I want to go from 9.1 to 9.3.

 

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RE: preferred anti-virus programs for win 10

[Andre via Talk]

I understand the need for security, but the need for accessibility is
equally important. If the software offers the most security but is only
accessible by sighted users, and we don't have any sighted assistance, how
good really is that software for us? If we can't work it, we may be locked
out of our computers for various reasons with no sighted assistance. So
really accessibility and security should go hand in hand. The most secure
software needs to be also made accessible.


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On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 1:28 PM
To: matthew dyer; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Karyn Campbell
Subject: Re: preferred anti-virus programs for win 10

Is it fair to suspect that the most accessible software may not be the 
best?  I guess I'd rather sacrifice accessibility in favor of security.

On 1/16/2016 10:39 AM, matthew dyer via Talk wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Take a look at viper internet security.  I have been using it under
windows ten for a few months with no problems over here.  HTH.
>
> Matthew
>
>
>> On Jan 15, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Karyn Campbell via Talk
 wrote:
>>
>> Avoid Web root security Anywhere at all coss. It will mess up WE 9.3 big
>> time and it's extremely difficult to remove. My husband will be having
that
>> argument soon. on two machines.
>>
>> Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com and likely Viper
>> Antivirus on both machines.
>> Using WE   9.3 on HP Pavilion running Windows 8.1 with Office 2013 and
I.E.
>> 11 as well as Assuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with Office
2013
>> and I.E. 11 as default browser and Viper Antivirus on boht machines.
>>
>>
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RE: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Andre via Talk]

I was thinking he meant until the free Windows 10 upgrade would no longer be
available, which is I think in July 2016. Could be wrong though.

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On Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:44 PM
To: Rod Hutton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

There is no deadline.
You can keep Windows 7 at least until January 2020.
Don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

On Monday, December 28, 2015, Rod Hutton via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hi Rick,
>
> I haven't done the modification yet, but have you used Control-Shift-B
> repeatedly until you hear Full screen or, at least, Active Window to be
> certain that your mouse pointer is not being limited in its movement?
>
> Hth,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
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> hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com ] On Behalf
> Of Rick Jarvis via Talk
> Sent: December 27, 2015 10:54 AM
> To: Samuel Wilkins >; Window-Eyes
> Discussion List
> >
> Subject: Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible
>
> Hello all,  I am running windows 10 64 bit with window eyes 9.3 and I
> made the changes in Thunderbird that Nevel  gave to the list and it sort
> of helped.  When I open an email and use the mouse it will only read two
> lines of text and that is all.  If I go from one letter to the next by
> pressing the 4 key or the 6 key it will read all the letters in those
> two lines and that is all.  I am using the latest t bird as well.  So it
> looks like that there will have to be some work done to make the mouse
> accessible in fire fox and t bird.  Thanks Rick
>
> On 12/26/2015 3:03 PM, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:
> > This should be put on the knowledge base.
> >
> > On 26/12/2015 15:21, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:
> >> Thanks so much Neville. I had taken the first 2 steps, but the third
one
> >> has proved crucial in getting some mouse access back.
> >>
> >> Best wishes
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Virtual view ocr for vista?

[Andre via Talk]

I tried  running it with WE 9.3 under vista32. Is the Windows TIFF IFilter
Feature available for vista? I haven't been able to ocr.

 

Thanks,

 

Andre

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Weli.exe stopped working. What?

[Andre via Talk]

I'm trying out the WE demo 9.2.1. I installed it, but every time I launch
it, I get the following error message. Does anyone know what this is about
and how to fix it? Running vista 32.

 

Thanks,

 

 

Microsoft Windows

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RE: confirm bb0b42df2f52832c5c444b511d5ba30ca082d315

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Hello I got the bounce message. Why is this happening.  

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RE: Introducing Virtual View 5.0

[Andre via Talk]

I'm using Vista32, WE 9.1.

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On Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 1:22 PM
To: Martin Thomas Swaton; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Aaron Smith
Subject: RE: Introducing Virtual View 5.0

Martin and others who are not able to get the Virtual View OCR function to
work correctly on images or image based PDFs, what operating system are you
using?
Thanks,
Marc

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Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 9:43 AM
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Subject: Re: Introducing Virtual View 5.0

hi,
still the question, what can I do to make the images recognized that are 
not processed in my pdf files?
Yes, as suggested I did now open via the vv itself - but the two files, 
that where scanned with my scanner still say: "no text found" but there 
is text and all other ocr applications I ever tried could process them.

Any settings I can change ?
Hope there are some hints I can try.
Cheers
Martin


Am 05.11.2015 um 15:01 schrieb Aaron Smith via Talk:
> It's there so nobody can say, "Why can't I virtualize a text file?" 
>
> Aaron
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RE: virtual view OCR?

[Andre via Talk]

So then are you saying it won't work under Vista even though it's still
supported by WE?

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On Behalf Of Dennis via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:19 PM
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Subject: RE: virtual view OCR?

Aaron thank you for doing that.  It's truly appreciate it.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 10:18 PM
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Subject: RE: virtual view OCR?

Nope. The same technology exists in Windows 7, too. And Windows 8. 

Aaron

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Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 9:21 PM
To: Aaron Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: virtual view OCR?

ah so this OCR only works in windows10 then?

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 11/4/2015 8:45 PM, Aaron Smith wrote:
> Hi, Josh.
>
> Virtual View takes builds on the Windows TIFF IFilter interface, which is
built into the operating system. This is the same system used by Cortana in
Windows 10. You can read more here:
>
> https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd834685.aspx
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aaron
>
> -Original Message-
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Of Josh K via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 6:07 PM
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> hey what OCR engine does the new virtual view use? whatever it is it is
very very good.
>
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RE: WINDOW-EYES WITH FOXIT READER?

[Andre via Talk]

I've tried using foxit under vista and WE 9.1, but it doesn't really work,
at least as far as I've seen. That's unfortunate.


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On Behalf Of Ricky Lomey via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 3:20 PM
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Subject: WINDOW-EYES WITH FOXIT READER?

Hi list

A sighted friend of mine who is in the business of computers is lending me a
computer he had which has Windows seven and Microsoft Outlook 2010 using the
trial version of WE. Got it a few hours ago hoping to acquire it once I know
Windows seven well enough and one of the things I asked him is if he
installed Adobe for me to test. He said he uses Foxit reader to read PDF,
anybody tried this with Window-Eyes and if so, how does it compare to Adobe
in terms of Window-Eyes being able to read PDF with it, I presume it would
still not make a difference to WE if the PDF has images and the document
would seem empty?



Ricky Lomey

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RE: unable to open combo boxes on amazon.com

[Andre via Talk]

Have you tried alt+down arrow? Then while on the selection, of your choice,
hit enter. You can also try whil on the selection of your choice, routing
the mouse to hit and left clicking right there. Amazon is a crazy site for
all of us. Plus, you can't use the mouse keys in firefox so... stuck using
IE.


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On Behalf Of john riehl via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 4:59 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: unable to open combo boxes on amazon.com

I've just recently noticed a problem - I am unable to open and read
selections in combo boxes on amazon.com and a couple of other sites which I
can't remember now.

I've tried using right arrow; I've tried using the alt-enter keys. I can
arrow down and  tab away and back to hear the selection, but, for some
reason, my choices don't take.

What's going on? What, if anything, am I doing wrong?

Thanks. 

 John 

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RE: Messages being bounced

[Andre via Talk]

That also happened to me. I have a Comcast.net email address. This could be
part of the problem. I wasn't getting messages from this list for about 2-3
weeks, and that was strange because up until that, I had been for years. Now
after replying to that message sent saying I would be deleted from the list,
I am once again receiving messages.


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 5:07 AM
To: Dan Rathburn; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Messages being bounced

Happened to me as well.  I fixed the problem and am still getting 
messages from this list.--Matthew Chao

At 09:42 PM 7/7/2015 -0400, you wrote:

Hello,

I received a message suposedly from the list saying the messages are 
being bounced and if it continues, my membership in the list will be 
deleted.  I would like to know if this is a legitimate message.

Thanks,

Dan

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Just testing since haven't gotten any email in a few days.

[Andre via Talk]

 

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RE: Seeking Your Input

[Andre via Talk]

I had no idea about this port forwarding even when talking to WE tech
support. It just wasn't working on my Vista machine when trying to get
assistance with tech support who was running on WE 7 or 8 at the time. This
was several months ago. I was using WE 9 and still, it wasn't working.

So I agree. Let's update and get remote assistance working for all platforms
that WE says it supports.

Thanks,

Perhaps for that reason, I couldn't get assistance even from WE tech
support.
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On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 2:12 AM
To: Bill Belew; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Seeking Your Input

Hi all

Ok I will jump in here and say Remote Assistance needs to be much easier to
use without the hassle of forwarding ports at both ends. When Remote
Assistance was introduced in Window-Eyes 7.5, it was very easy to use. Now,
thanks to a later update to the 7.5 series which updated Remote Assistance,
it is not so. Some clients would not have a clue about port forwarding.

Thanks for reading.
 On 29 May 2015, at 00:25, Bill Belew via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
wrote:
 
 I would like to see Remote Assistance made more reliable.  It rarely works
 for me any longer.  
 
 I would also like to see support for touch screens.  
 
 Bill
 
 
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 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 12:33 PM
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 Subject: Seeking Your Input
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 We are constantly working behind the scenes to improve our products.  If
you
 could narrow down the top three requests you would have us add to our
screen
 reading product, what would they be?
 
 Thanks for the input!
 
 Jeremy
 
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 Ai Squared, Inc.
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RE: Seeking Your Input

[Andre via Talk]

Hi Jeremy,

I echo Ray's statements below. I'll add one more web site or component and
that's instant teleseminar, and go to webinar. So much is done these days
using these tools, and it's just not accessible as far as the interaction
with the host. So we can't enter questions to ask, or interact via chat
features, or read the info the host posts such as a simple web link.

The ocr feature is definitely necessary for captcha in ie, and other
clickable images. Webvisum is only for firefox and there needs to be a
reliable ocr feature for IE and FF that's not dependent on a third party
tool. Any time our work productivity depends on a third party rather than
remaining mostly in our own control, that hampers our own work performance.

I'd like notification when a web page has been updated. So based on in page
links or some part of a form that requires user input, after that data has
been entered, I'd like verbal notification of what has changed on that web
page. Right now, it seems like we have to scroll back up the page to find
out what if anything has changed.

Thanks for listening.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Ray Campbell via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:18 PM
To: 'Jeremy Curry'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Seeking Your Input

Hello Jeremy:

The top three things I would like to see in Window-Eyes are:
1.  An OCR feature, where you could scan and recognize unknown graphical
images.  Sometimes, there are items on the screen which are labeled with
images.  At least one other screen reader has this kind of a capability.
Sometimes, you need to be able to find and click on these things.
2.  Something that will allow someone using Window-Eyes to work with
TeamViewer  and other remote support type programs, so that a Window-Eyes
user can remotely help someone.  This would help people who are blind to be
able to work providing technical support.
3.  For Window-Eyes to work with applications like GoToMeeting and Webex.
These are applications being used more and more in business, but to my
knowledge, no screen reader works with them.  Both sides of these kinds of
apps need to be accessible, whetherr you are setting up a meeting or
participating in a meeting.

Thanks,


Ray Campbell
ray153...@gmail.com
Skype: ray650315
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ray153056=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Jeremy Curry via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 2:33 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Seeking Your Input

Hello Everyone,

We are constantly working behind the scenes to improve our products.  If you
could narrow down the top three requests you would have us add to our screen
reading product, what would they be?

Thanks for the input!

Jeremy

Jeremy Curry
Director of Product Management
Ai Squared, Inc.
Phone: (802) 362-3612
Email: jcu...@aisquared.commailto:jcu...@aisquared.com
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RE: Remind_Me_Where tutorial #1

[Andre via Talk]

Love that gps for the laptop capability.


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On Behalf Of Chip Orange via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 7:47 PM
To: groov...@juno.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Window-Eyes App Discussion List
Subject: RE: Remind_Me_Where tutorial #1

Hi Sue,

It will work with the Trekker Breeze only if it will act as a standard GPS
supplying GPS data over a cable or a bluetooth connection.  This is called
NMEA data when a GPS supplies GPS info to some other device.

If you buy a GPS meant for a notebook/laptop, they only cost around $50 or
so; you can get them to use USB or bluetooth connections (this is all
documented in my app's documentation).  What you buy for your laptop is
called a GPS mouse, and it has no screen; it's a thing about the size of a
matchbox, and has better accuracy than say the GPS built into a cell phone.

Even when you have a GPS, you still need an internet connection (right now
anyway) to really have it be useful to my app; so you'll need either a wifi
connection, or a mobile hotspot for your cell phone, so you can get all the
mapping data from Google.

I started out working on the GPS capabilities, and all the beta test users
asked me to work on desktop capabilities first, saying not too many people
would actually take a laptop around with them.  If that's wrong, and I hear
a lot from people with laptops and GPS and internet connections, then I'll
go back to working on those capabilities (such as having it be able to guide
you to a destination with turn-by-turn instructions, and telling you what's
around you as you get near to places).  They do make ultra light notebooks
now which are small enough that someone could carry it in a bag or backpack,
or use it while on transit.  So, it's still an idea, but I am definitely
still asking people what they would use it for, and like it to do.

I am not working on making it a paid product by the way, I plan for it to
always be a free app, no matter how large (right now I think it's the
largest app available for Window-Eyes, at around 25 thousand lines of
VBScript).

I really do need to find time to make some tutorials though; people don't
seem to get the ideas as to what it can do.  If anyone is using it and feels
like they understand it, please do share on these mailing lists with others
as to how you use it and how to do various things; that would help me out a
lot.

Enjoy,

Chip



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lists3717=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sue J Ward via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 3:31 PM
To: Chip Orange; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Remind_Me_Where tutorial #1

  This sounds interesting. Will this work with the trekker breeze? I did 
copy the text stuff that you have on dropbox, thanks for the link. Will 
read it later.

On 5/15/2015 2:39 PM, Chip Orange via Talk wrote:
 Hi all,

 I've been asked for some examples of how to use Remind_Me_Where.

 I do plan an audio tutorial soon, as it's truly difficult to explain how
powerful exploring your environment can be with the data from Google+ Places
and Google Maps and Google Transit.
 Until then, here's one example of a day out you might plan with the app;
I've contrived it to show off most of the Google related features, but not
the GPS or the points of interest.
 Unfortunately, these lists have a severe size restriction on message text,
so I had to put the html text of the example into its own page on my
dropbox, and then place a link to it here in the message body; just click on
it and you'll be immediately reading the tutorial text.  Enjoy:
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11745142/rmw_tutorial.htm

 Chip

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Windows 8.1 laptop. What software should I absolutely get?

[Andre via Talk]

I wanted to start a new thread. So for my new laptop, what
software is more of an absolute? Which free software do you recommend to
protect my pc, registry cleaner, against malware, etc.

I'm going to have to give up my office 2007 I believe and I don't think it
has much as far as a word processor. So does WE work with open office?

 

How about software for backup and restore purposes so I can just go back and
recover to the point after I have Window Eyes installed along with the other
recommended software?

 

Much thanks,

 

Andre

 

 

 

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Windows 8.1 laptop. What should I disable for WE 9.1 to run most efficiently?

[Andre via Talk]

Hi list,

 

I Just got an acer windows 8.1 laptop. It still has to be setup before I can
install WE 9.1. Just curious to get your thoughts. What kinds of software
can or should I remove for my new pc to run most optimally for Window Eyes.
Should I remove trial versions of software? Also: what software shouldn't I
touch at all? Which software should I let remain?

 

Thanks much.

 

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RE: amazon web site

[Andre via Talk]

You can try nvda, and/or firefox. I had this issue as well. Still do. So you
can login using WE and firefox and I think have it read the addresses as
buttons. Then you can finish your shopping in ie. It's kind of a crazy
workaround but hey we have to try all kinds of things. It's truly
unfortunate. So you'd be logged in with both browsers at the same time. Some
parts of the amazon site work better in ff and other parts in ie.That's been
my realization at least.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Penny Reeder via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 1:49 PM
To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: amazon web site

Hi, I can do lots of things on Amazon's page, and I use WE9.1 and IE
11, but what I can't do is change the shipping address for something
that I do not want to send to my on-file AmazonPrime address. There's
a list of family members and others to whom I sometimes send gifts,
but I cannot get to that list -- either on the regular Amazon.com page
or the /Access page, nor can I find it on the Amazon app, which seems
otherwise to be very useable with IOS and VO. Does anyone have
suggestions for getting to other addresses?

Thanks.

And, if there are no work-arounds, isn't it time for us to file
complaints with DOJ?
Penny

On 4/11/15, net bat via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 in the u s its
 amazon.com/access;

 -Original Message-
 From: Alan J Paganelli via Talk
 Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 10:48 AM
 To: mcleod stinnett ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: amazon web site

 Amazon also has an accessible web page.  I've lost the URL when my XP
 machine went south.




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 From: mcleod stinnett via Talk
 Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 5:30 PM
 To: talk
 Subject: amazon web site

 well, i never use the accessible site, it's best avoided. when i try
 to use shop with points with that site i can't find the option at
 checkout. use the regular site. if you version of IE does not work
 switch to firefox.  i have always been able to place orders and click
 on buttons, but i can't always use the same browser.
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mousing and media buttons

[Andre via Talk]

Is there any possibility to add mouse support to chrome in the near future?
Plus I'd like to know what settings to activate in WE 9.1 for all browsers
(ie, ff, and chrome) so I can identify flash buttons or other play type
buttons? On too many pages, there are audios or videos I wouldn't even know
about if I I wasn't told was supposed to be there.

So far from what I can tell, the new browse mode or nonstatic buffer has a
disadvantage of not knowing when I should exit browse mode to try and tab to
the audio or video. Hopefully what I'm saying makes some sense.

Thanks,

Andre


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How do you turn off chromevox?

[Andre via Talk]

I haven't tried chrome for very long  but just wanted to try it out. So how
do I turn off chromevox? Is there a way to do that or do I have to uninstall
or unload it from extension settings? I don't want my WE 9 eloquence being
interfered withby the chromevox voice.

 

Much thanks,

 

Andre

 

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RE: Window Eyes and Abby FineReader?

[Andre via Talk]

How do you get the scanned books into daisy format for bookshare?


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On Behalf Of via Talk
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 7:45 PM
To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window Eyes and Abby FineReader?

I have ABBYY Fine Reader 10 and use it constantly with WE 9.0. 
Excellent for scanning books, which I do for Bookshare.
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RE: need help need to use Window-Eyes with Dragon Naturally speakinghome addision please read

[Andre via Talk]

I'm shocked that tech support would send you to the competition. How could
anyone prefer you go to jaws?

Just wondering


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On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 9:23 AM
To: K4NKZ JIM; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: need help need to use Window-Eyes with Dragon Naturally
speakinghome addision please read

This is something that  AI squared should really think about adding to 
window-eyes. Not only do you have to have JAWS, but you also have to have a 
program called j-say, wich costs a hole lot of money to get, and that is 
ontop of JAWS.

-Original Message- 
From: K4NKZ JIM via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 9:45 AM
To: talk wineyes
Subject: need help need to use Window-Eyes with Dragon Naturally 
speakinghome addision please read

hi, let me tell you whats up!
1, I can do any keybord commands needed to run my computer! so I don't
need voice input to control the computer. that is why I don't need
Dragon Naturally speaking pro.

2, I have disslexeya! so I am a bad speller! so bad that the spell
checkers in programs like word, outlook, and thunderbird, don't know
what I am trying to spell!
3, new to Window-Eyes, so I do not know how to write, make, or use aps!
4, Window-Eyes tec subport said that I should go to jaws if I wanted to
useDragon Naturally speaking! but I am trying to get away from jaws!
5, so I need to use Dragon Naturally speaking home addision.
6, when traning Dragon, I need an ap with a hot key that will start
looking from the top of the screen down for print of 1 color with the
back ground of an nother color, like plack on light-blue. then it would
read the next 3 to 5 words. to tell me what to read.
7, when dictateing, I need a ap that will read what I am dictateing back
to me, a santence at a time.


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Have a nice day from, K4NKZ Jim

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