RE: Installing Win10
I get nothing but a blank page on this link. Any other place to get this. i just need something to try and do a reinsall of seven as when I try to update I get some strange error, so figured I'd start over. This was an upgrade my niece did on a del from sp to home which deidn't match the key she had on the dell, so I bought a cd on ebey with all versions. Hope all that makes sense. Of course they can't find their dell Disk. When they bought the computer, they got it with xp and an upgrade to seven disk. Anyhow, I have it running, but it doeswn't think it is jjenuine, so I'd thought ai'd start over if the key I have on the Dell works. Thanks. Hope you had a good Holiday. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Sun, 23 Jun 2019, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: Hi David, Below is a link to my public OneDrive folder: https://1drv.ms/f/s! There you will find a zip archive containing disk images which you can burn to DVD and a readme file. Regardless which you burn, you can boot to a talking Windows 7 pre-installation environment running NVDA using the Eloquence synthesizer. If you burn the smaller image, you can at the very least explore the disks attached on the booted system. If you burn the larger image, you can even install Windows 7. This might be enough to get the broken Windows 8 system you have running with a fresh copy of Windows 7. Incidentally, I used the larger image to install Windows 7 into a VMWare Workstation virtual machine, and then I upgraded it to Windows 10. But, that's another story. Smile Of course, you would still need to activate whatever Windows version you end up with, and so purchasing a product code is still necessary. However, the tool I am offering might be of help to you or whoever reads this. Good luck, Rod Sent from Outlook for Windows -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of David via Talk Sent: June 21, 2019 2:13 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: David Subject: Re: Installing Win10 Think I might have to stress a couple of points here, just to help you all assisting me the better. Sorry for not being totally clear on this from the start. First of all, I do have WE9.54 here, full installation CD, which I received very few days before WinEyes was all ditched. That is, it would be the latest version ever. On that matter, I hence should be totally covered. My Win7 machine has 4GB of RAM, running a dual core 2.4GHZ CPU. I did try running the Win10 upgrader on it, to see if it would work, and was told the computer would work fine, but I would need some drivers. Going to the manufacturer, Dell, I did find no driver for upgrading. Besides, I want to keep the computer as an off-line backup system. It works just fine, and has served here for more than a handful years, though it was second-hand when I got it. So what then about the computer I am considering turning into Win10? It is an HP, holding 8GB, and a Quadro CPU of something like 2.8GHZ - taken from memory. It should have no trouble in meeting the minimum specs for RAM and speed, though I do know nothing about drivers. Like I said, it did run Win8.1, all till the OS got broken, through some maintaning upgrade. Since it does not really start, just gets to a point where it tells me the Windows is no longer valid, I will have to wipe the drive altogether, hence the computer would be to consider as a "blank" system. In other words, updating the windows on that machine, is not possible. And unless i can get Win10 on it, my guess is that a quite working hardware might have to simply be thrown away. Booting from the DVD drive on the computer should be little trouble, since my memory tells me it is already set do do such booting. For both computers, they are laptops, so ideas like changing any hardware, is no alternative. And should not give much for functionality. Again, thanks to all for your assistance. I am still all ears, if you have further input to contribute. Great to hear I can do the installation of Win10, without eyes. IPhone and apps for sighted assistance is not really an option here, simply because I don't own any Apple stuff, and to get an IPhone just for the benefit of installing a computer seem out of range. Smiles. I am aware the option to have similar assistance over Android, but would greatly appreciate doing the job as much as possible without depending on having more or less knowledgeable eyes messing with the screen reading. Used to instal computers back in the 90's, so am not totally new to the idea of getting the job done - though Windows do pose certain challenges that we did not face back then. smiles. David On 6/21/2019 10:53 AM, Thomas N. Chan via Talk wrote: For the win 8 upgrade to win 10, I really don't think it's a > authorise upgrade since you don't really own a licence copy of win 8. So upgrade path is not applicable. You will get good deals if
Re: Installing Win10
Thanks, Rod. But I don't need it. I was just confirming David's result. Regards, Tom On 6/23/2019 3:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Here's a direct link to the talking windows pre-installation environment zip archive itself, rather than the folder it resides in: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AvkWQaterKGvg8wIfJ1uGvcA3MrUGg If you sign in with your own Microsoft account on the page which opens (meaning that you have to have a Microsoft account), the download should begin. Good luck, Rod Sent from Outlook for Windows -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: June 22, 2019 10:58 PM To: Rod Hutton via Talk Cc: Tom Kingston Subject: Re: Installing Win10 Rod, Here's what I get with your link in Chrome. This 1drv.ms page can’t be found No webpage was found for the web address: https://1drv.ms/f/s HTTP ERROR 404 On 6/22/2019 10:39 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: Hi David, I am not able to give you a link to the specific file you require. Rather, the URL I gave is to the OneDrive folder containing the file. So, the URL I gave you would be the page displaying the folder contents, and so you would have to navigate the page and find the file you need, specifically: twpe_r2.zip This name on the page should represent as a link which, when pressed, would commence its download. If this doesn't work, I could try another file transfer method. Good luck, Rod Sent from Outlook for Windows -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of David via Talk Sent: June 22, 2019 9:42 PM To: Rod Hutton via Talk Cc: David Subject: Re: Installing Win10 Rod, Thanks for your effort to help. Unfortunately, I wonder if the link you provided was broken, or incomplete. Tried to press Enter on it, and Firefox (my prefered browser) came up. It hang, and still something like 45 minutes later, nothing has happened. Normally, things should have started downloading, shouldn't they? Would you mind, please, checking your link, and letting me know if there is something further I need to do to get hold of the info? Thanks again, your help is great. Did not know there was an accessible way of installing Win7. Will come in handy for other times as well. Regards, David On 6/23/2019 2:43 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: Hi David, Below is a link to my public OneDrive folder: https://1drv.ms/f/s! There you will find a zip archive containing disk images which you can burn to DVD and a readme file. Regardless which you burn, you can boot to a talking Windows 7 pre-installation environment running NVDA using the Eloquence synthesizer. If you burn the smaller image, you can at the very least explore the disks attached on the booted system. If you burn the larger image, you can even install Windows 7. This might be enough to get the broken Windows 8 system you have running with a fresh copy of Windows 7. Incidentally, I used the larger image to install Windows 7 into a VMWare Workstation virtual machine, and then I upgraded it to Windows 10. But, that's another story. Smile Of course, you would still need to activate whatever Windows version you end up with, and so purchasing a product code is still necessary. However, the tool I am offering might be of help to you or whoever reads this. Good luck, Rod Sent from Outlook for Windows -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of David via Talk Sent: June 21, 2019 2:13 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: David Subject: Re: Installing Win10 Think I might have to stress a couple of points here, just to help you all assisting me the better. Sorry for not being totally clear on this from the start. First of all, I do have WE9.54 here, full installation CD, which I received very few days before WinEyes was all ditched. That is, it would be the latest version ever. On that matter, I hence should be totally covered. My Win7 machine has 4GB of RAM, running a dual core 2.4GHZ CPU. I did try running the Win10 upgrader on it, to see if it would work, and was told the computer would work fine, but I would need some drivers. Going to the manufacturer, Dell, I did find no driver for upgrading. Besides, I want to keep the computer as an off-line backup system. It works just fine, and has served here for more than a handful years, though it was second-hand when I got it. So what then about the computer I am considering turning into Win10? It is an HP, holding 8GB, and a Quadro CPU of something like 2.8GHZ - taken from memory. It should have no trouble in meeting the minimum specs for RAM and speed, though I do know nothing about drivers. Like I said, it did run Win8.1, all till the OS got broken, through some maintaning upgrade. Since it does not really start, just gets to a point where it tells me the Windows is no longer valid, I will have to wipe the drive altogether, hence the computer would be to consider as a "blank" system. In other words, updating the
RE: Installing Win10
Hi David, Glad to hear that you've had some success. Actually, the link was a bit.ly shortened URL. This is common practice on the web today, for use with Twitter and Facebook and such. It allows URLs to be shortened to save space. In my case, maybe Microsoft didn't like its URL being shortened or something else. Anyway, I wish you success. Smile. Take care, Rod Sent from Outlook for Windows -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of David via Talk Sent: June 23, 2019 3:59 AM To: Rod Hutton via Talk Cc: David Subject: Re: Installing Win10 This one looks much better. Got to the site, and it seems it will let me download. Just got a find a drive with enough fre space. Smiles. Don't know what went wrong with your first link. Thanks, David On 6/23/2019 9:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Here's a direct link to the talking windows pre-installation environment zip > archive itself, rather than the folder it resides in: > https://1drv.ms/u/s!AvkWQaterKGvg8wIfJ1uGvcA3MrUGg > If you sign in with your own Microsoft account on the page which opens > (meaning that you have to have a Microsoft account), the download should > begin. > > Good luck, > > Rod > > Sent from Outlook for Windows > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk > Sent: June 22, 2019 10:58 PM > To: Rod Hutton via Talk > Cc: Tom Kingston > Subject: Re: Installing Win10 > > Rod, > > Here's what I get with your link in Chrome. > This 1drv.ms page can’t be found > No webpage was found for the web address: https://1drv.ms/f/s HTTP > ERROR 404 > > On 6/22/2019 10:39 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >> Hi David, >> >> I am not able to give you a link to the specific file you require. >> Rather, the URL I gave is to the OneDrive folder containing the file. >> So, the URL I gave you would be the page displaying the folder contents, and >> so you would have to navigate the page and find the file you need, >> specifically: >> twpe_r2.zip >> This name on the page should represent as a link which, when pressed, would >> commence its download. >> If this doesn't work, I could try another file transfer method. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Rod >> >> Sent from Outlook for Windows >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> >> On Behalf Of David via Talk >> Sent: June 22, 2019 9:42 PM >> To: Rod Hutton via Talk >> Cc: David >> Subject: Re: Installing Win10 >> >> Rod, >> >> Thanks for your effort to help. >> >> >> Unfortunately, I wonder if the link you provided was broken, or >> incomplete. Tried to press Enter on it, and Firefox (my prefered >> browser) came up. It hang, and still something like 45 minutes later, >> nothing has happened. Normally, things should have started downloading, >> shouldn't they? >> >> >> Would you mind, please, checking your link, and letting me know if there is >> something further I need to do to get hold of the info? >> >> >> Thanks again, your help is great. Did not know there was an >> accessible way of installing Win7. Will come in handy for other times as >> well. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> David >> >> On 6/23/2019 2:43 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >>> Hi David, >>> >>> Below is a link to my public OneDrive folder: >>> https://1drv.ms/f/s! >>> There you will find a zip archive containing disk images which you can burn >>> to DVD and a readme file. >>> Regardless which you burn, you can boot to a talking Windows 7 >>> pre-installation environment running NVDA using the Eloquence synthesizer. >>> If you burn the smaller image, you can at the very least explore the disks >>> attached on the booted system. >>> If you burn the larger image, you can even install Windows 7. >>> This might be enough to get the broken Windows 8 system you have running >>> with a fresh copy of Windows 7. >>> Incidentally, I used the larger image to install Windows 7 into a VMWare >>> Workstation virtual machine, and then I upgraded it to Windows 10. >>> But, that's another story. Smile >>> Of course, you would still need to activate whatever Windows version you >>> end up with, and so purchasing a product code is still necessary. >>> However, the tool I am offering might be of help to you or whoever reads >>> this. >>> >>> Good luck, >>> >>> Rod >>> >>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
RE: Installing Win10
Hi David, As I wrote to Tom, you will need to have your own Microsoft account in order to sign in. Once you do, this link should begin the download of the file: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AvkWQaterKGvg8wIfJ1uGvcA3MrUGg Give it a try, and, if it doesn't work, we can try another transfer method. Good luck, Rod Sent from Outlook for Windows -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of David via Talk Sent: June 23, 2019 3:49 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: David Subject: Re: Installing Win10 Rod, Again, thanks for your attempt in helping out. I now have tried Internet Explorer, Chrome and Firefox. Firefox simply just opens and gets stuck on your link. Both Internet explorer and Chrome, informs me that the page cannot be found. Another user already described what Chrome gave for a message, and here I am pasting in the info from Internet Explorer, in case that would help out. It seems to me, the link you gave is rather short, and looks almost broken just from the format of it. Take a look at it, and you will notice there would simply not be enough characters in that link, to make sense this should be a personal site. Even many of Microsofts websites, or any other business for that matter, would be quite much longer. If this was all there was for characters in the link, my guess is that the system would have run out of addresses after the first 1000 users had their personal sites defined. From the messages in Chrome and IE, I get the idea that one out of two is the case here. Either your full link only is available for you, in person, when you are logged into the service. The link might be cut-off, once you try to copy it. Or, the service provides a link that is only available for a very short period of time. Have seen this on other services, where the links sometimes only are in existance for even as little as 5 minutes. Of course, it might be I will have to be a logged in user of the service you are using; but I am not. Rod, Thanks alot, but may you please see if you could use another service? Or, at least, would you mind pressing the enter-key, on the link you provided, the way it appears in your message? Will it open ffor you? Here is what IE tells me: Info icon The webpage cannot be found HTTP 404 Most likely causes: •There might be a typing error in the address. •If you clicked on a link, it may be out of date. David On 6/23/2019 4:58 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: > Rod, > > Here's what I get with your link in Chrome. > This 1drv.ms page can’t be found > No webpage was found for the web address: https://1drv.ms/f/s > HTTP ERROR 404 > > On 6/22/2019 10:39 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >> Hi David, >> >> I am not able to give you a link to the specific file you require. >> Rather, the URL I gave is to the OneDrive folder containing the file. >> So, the URL I gave you would be the page displaying the folder >> contents, and so you would have to navigate the page and find the >> file you need, specifically: >> twpe_r2.zip >> This name on the page should represent as a link which, when pressed, >> would commence its download. >> If this doesn't work, I could try another file transfer method. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Rod >> >> Sent from Outlook for Windows >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: Talk >> On Behalf >> Of David via Talk >> Sent: June 22, 2019 9:42 PM >> To: Rod Hutton via Talk >> Cc: David >> Subject: Re: Installing Win10 >> >> Rod, >> >> Thanks for your effort to help. >> >> >> Unfortunately, I wonder if the link you provided was broken, or >> incomplete. Tried to press Enter on it, and Firefox (my prefered >> browser) came up. It hang, and still something like 45 minutes >> later, nothing has happened. Normally, things should have started >> downloading, shouldn't they? >> >> >> Would you mind, please, checking your link, and letting me know if >> there is something further I need to do to get hold of the info? >> >> >> Thanks again, your help is great. Did not know there was an accessible >> way of installing Win7. Will come in handy for other times as well. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> David >> >> On 6/23/2019 2:43 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >>> Hi David, >>> >>> Below is a link to my public OneDrive folder: >>> https://1drv.ms/f/s! >>> There you will find a zip archive containing disk images which you >>> can burn to DVD and a readme file. >>> Regardless which you burn, you can boot to a talking Windows 7 >>> pre-installation environment running NVDA using the Eloquence >>> synthes
Re: Installing Win10
This one looks much better. Got to the site, and it seems it will let me download. Just got a find a drive with enough fre space. Smiles. Don't know what went wrong with your first link. Thanks, David On 6/23/2019 9:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Here's a direct link to the talking windows pre-installation environment zip > archive itself, rather than the folder it resides in: > https://1drv.ms/u/s!AvkWQaterKGvg8wIfJ1uGvcA3MrUGg > If you sign in with your own Microsoft account on the page which opens > (meaning that you have to have a Microsoft account), the download should > begin. > > Good luck, > > Rod > > Sent from Outlook for Windows > > -Original Message- > From: Talk On > Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk > Sent: June 22, 2019 10:58 PM > To: Rod Hutton via Talk > Cc: Tom Kingston > Subject: Re: Installing Win10 > > Rod, > > Here's what I get with your link in Chrome. > This 1drv.ms page can’t be found > No webpage was found for the web address: https://1drv.ms/f/s HTTP ERROR 404 > > On 6/22/2019 10:39 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >> Hi David, >> >> I am not able to give you a link to the specific file you require. >> Rather, the URL I gave is to the OneDrive folder containing the file. >> So, the URL I gave you would be the page displaying the folder contents, and >> so you would have to navigate the page and find the file you need, >> specifically: >> twpe_r2.zip >> This name on the page should represent as a link which, when pressed, would >> commence its download. >> If this doesn't work, I could try another file transfer method. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Rod >> >> Sent from Outlook for Windows >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> On Behalf Of David via Talk >> Sent: June 22, 2019 9:42 PM >> To: Rod Hutton via Talk >> Cc: David >> Subject: Re: Installing Win10 >> >> Rod, >> >> Thanks for your effort to help. >> >> >> Unfortunately, I wonder if the link you provided was broken, or >> incomplete. Tried to press Enter on it, and Firefox (my prefered >> browser) came up. It hang, and still something like 45 minutes later, >> nothing has happened. Normally, things should have started downloading, >> shouldn't they? >> >> >> Would you mind, please, checking your link, and letting me know if there is >> something further I need to do to get hold of the info? >> >> >> Thanks again, your help is great. Did not know there was an accessible >> way of installing Win7. Will come in handy for other times as well. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> David >> >> On 6/23/2019 2:43 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >>> Hi David, >>> >>> Below is a link to my public OneDrive folder: >>> https://1drv.ms/f/s! >>> There you will find a zip archive containing disk images which you can burn >>> to DVD and a readme file. >>> Regardless which you burn, you can boot to a talking Windows 7 >>> pre-installation environment running NVDA using the Eloquence synthesizer. >>> If you burn the smaller image, you can at the very least explore the disks >>> attached on the booted system. >>> If you burn the larger image, you can even install Windows 7. >>> This might be enough to get the broken Windows 8 system you have running >>> with a fresh copy of Windows 7. >>> Incidentally, I used the larger image to install Windows 7 into a VMWare >>> Workstation virtual machine, and then I upgraded it to Windows 10. >>> But, that's another story. Smile >>> Of course, you would still need to activate whatever Windows version you >>> end up with, and so purchasing a product code is still necessary. >>> However, the tool I am offering might be of help to you or whoever reads >>> this. >>> >>> Good luck, >>> >>> Rod >>> >>> Sent from Outlook for Windows >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> On Behalf >>> Of David via Talk >>> Sent: June 21, 2019 2:13 PM >>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Cc: David >>> Subject: Re: Installing Win10 >>> >>> Think I might have to stress a couple of points here, just to help you all >>> assisting me the better. Sorry for not being totally clear on this from the >>> start. >>> >>> First of all, I do have WE9.54 here, full installation CD, which I received
Re: Installing Win10
Rod, Again, thanks for your attempt in helping out. I now have tried Internet Explorer, Chrome and Firefox. Firefox simply just opens and gets stuck on your link. Both Internet explorer and Chrome, informs me that the page cannot be found. Another user already described what Chrome gave for a message, and here I am pasting in the info from Internet Explorer, in case that would help out. It seems to me, the link you gave is rather short, and looks almost broken just from the format of it. Take a look at it, and you will notice there would simply not be enough characters in that link, to make sense this should be a personal site. Even many of Microsofts websites, or any other business for that matter, would be quite much longer. If this was all there was for characters in the link, my guess is that the system would have run out of addresses after the first 1000 users had their personal sites defined. From the messages in Chrome and IE, I get the idea that one out of two is the case here. Either your full link only is available for you, in person, when you are logged into the service. The link might be cut-off, once you try to copy it. Or, the service provides a link that is only available for a very short period of time. Have seen this on other services, where the links sometimes only are in existance for even as little as 5 minutes. Of course, it might be I will have to be a logged in user of the service you are using; but I am not. Rod, Thanks alot, but may you please see if you could use another service? Or, at least, would you mind pressing the enter-key, on the link you provided, the way it appears in your message? Will it open ffor you? Here is what IE tells me: Info icon The webpage cannot be found HTTP 404 Most likely causes: •There might be a typing error in the address. •If you clicked on a link, it may be out of date. David On 6/23/2019 4:58 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: > Rod, > > Here's what I get with your link in Chrome. > This 1drv.ms page can’t be found > No webpage was found for the web address: https://1drv.ms/f/s > HTTP ERROR 404 > > On 6/22/2019 10:39 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >> Hi David, >> >> I am not able to give you a link to the specific file you require. >> Rather, the URL I gave is to the OneDrive folder containing the file. >> So, the URL I gave you would be the page displaying the folder >> contents, and so you would have to navigate the page and find the >> file you need, specifically: >> twpe_r2.zip >> This name on the page should represent as a link which, when pressed, >> would commence its download. >> If this doesn't work, I could try another file transfer method. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Rod >> >> Sent from Outlook for Windows >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> On Behalf >> Of David via Talk >> Sent: June 22, 2019 9:42 PM >> To: Rod Hutton via Talk >> Cc: David >> Subject: Re: Installing Win10 >> >> Rod, >> >> Thanks for your effort to help. >> >> >> Unfortunately, I wonder if the link you provided was broken, or >> incomplete. Tried to press Enter on it, and Firefox (my prefered >> browser) came up. It hang, and still something like 45 minutes >> later, nothing has happened. Normally, things should have started >> downloading, shouldn't they? >> >> >> Would you mind, please, checking your link, and letting me know if >> there is something further I need to do to get hold of the info? >> >> >> Thanks again, your help is great. Did not know there was an accessible >> way of installing Win7. Will come in handy for other times as well. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> David >> >> On 6/23/2019 2:43 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >>> Hi David, >>> >>> Below is a link to my public OneDrive folder: >>> https://1drv.ms/f/s! >>> There you will find a zip archive containing disk images which you >>> can burn to DVD and a readme file. >>> Regardless which you burn, you can boot to a talking Windows 7 >>> pre-installation environment running NVDA using the Eloquence >>> synthesizer. >>> If you burn the smaller image, you can at the very least explore the >>> disks attached on the booted system. >>> If you burn the larger image, you can even install Windows 7. >>> This might be enough to get the broken Windows 8 system you have >>> running with a fresh copy of Windows 7. >>> Incidentally, I used the larger image to install Windows 7 into a >>> VMWare Workstation virtual machine, and then I upgraded it to >>> Window
RE: Installing Win10
Hi Tom, Here's a direct link to the talking windows pre-installation environment zip archive itself, rather than the folder it resides in: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AvkWQaterKGvg8wIfJ1uGvcA3MrUGg If you sign in with your own Microsoft account on the page which opens (meaning that you have to have a Microsoft account), the download should begin. Good luck, Rod Sent from Outlook for Windows -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: June 22, 2019 10:58 PM To: Rod Hutton via Talk Cc: Tom Kingston Subject: Re: Installing Win10 Rod, Here's what I get with your link in Chrome. This 1drv.ms page can’t be found No webpage was found for the web address: https://1drv.ms/f/s HTTP ERROR 404 On 6/22/2019 10:39 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: > Hi David, > > I am not able to give you a link to the specific file you require. > Rather, the URL I gave is to the OneDrive folder containing the file. > So, the URL I gave you would be the page displaying the folder contents, and > so you would have to navigate the page and find the file you need, > specifically: > twpe_r2.zip > This name on the page should represent as a link which, when pressed, would > commence its download. > If this doesn't work, I could try another file transfer method. > > Good luck, > > Rod > > Sent from Outlook for Windows > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > On Behalf Of David via Talk > Sent: June 22, 2019 9:42 PM > To: Rod Hutton via Talk > Cc: David > Subject: Re: Installing Win10 > > Rod, > > Thanks for your effort to help. > > > Unfortunately, I wonder if the link you provided was broken, or > incomplete. Tried to press Enter on it, and Firefox (my prefered > browser) came up. It hang, and still something like 45 minutes later, > nothing has happened. Normally, things should have started downloading, > shouldn't they? > > > Would you mind, please, checking your link, and letting me know if there is > something further I need to do to get hold of the info? > > > Thanks again, your help is great. Did not know there was an accessible > way of installing Win7. Will come in handy for other times as well. > > > Regards, > > David > > On 6/23/2019 2:43 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: >> Hi David, >> >> Below is a link to my public OneDrive folder: >> https://1drv.ms/f/s! >> There you will find a zip archive containing disk images which you can burn >> to DVD and a readme file. >> Regardless which you burn, you can boot to a talking Windows 7 >> pre-installation environment running NVDA using the Eloquence synthesizer. >> If you burn the smaller image, you can at the very least explore the disks >> attached on the booted system. >> If you burn the larger image, you can even install Windows 7. >> This might be enough to get the broken Windows 8 system you have running >> with a fresh copy of Windows 7. >> Incidentally, I used the larger image to install Windows 7 into a VMWare >> Workstation virtual machine, and then I upgraded it to Windows 10. >> But, that's another story. Smile >> Of course, you would still need to activate whatever Windows version you end >> up with, and so purchasing a product code is still necessary. >> However, the tool I am offering might be of help to you or whoever reads >> this. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Rod >> >> Sent from Outlook for Windows >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> On Behalf >> Of David via Talk >> Sent: June 21, 2019 2:13 PM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: David >> Subject: Re: Installing Win10 >> >> Think I might have to stress a couple of points here, just to help you all >> assisting me the better. Sorry for not being totally clear on this from the >> start. >> >> First of all, I do have WE9.54 here, full installation CD, which I received >> very few days before WinEyes was all ditched. That is, it would be the >> latest version ever. On that matter, I hence should be totally covered. >> >> My Win7 machine has 4GB of RAM, running a dual core 2.4GHZ CPU. I did try >> running the Win10 upgrader on it, to see if it would work, and was told the >> computer would work fine, but I would need some drivers. Going to the >> manufacturer, Dell, I did find no driver for upgrading. Besides, I want to >> keep the computer as an off-line backup system. It works just fine, and has >> served here for more than a handful years, though it was second-hand when I >> got it. >> >> So what then about the computer I am
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Hi Tom, Well, that's a tragedy! I'm sorry this happened to you. Just goes to show you that things can really get screwed up if you don't get the details right. Take care, Rod Sent from Outlook for Windows -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: June 22, 2019 9:50 PM To: Rod Hutton via Talk Cc: Tom Kingston Subject: Re: Installing Win10 Just for the record, here's my experience with using this talking Windows 7 pre-installation environment running NVDA on a system that wasn't originally Windows 7. It rewrote the bios and bricked the machine. Fortunately I was able to recover it with the original backup and sighted assistance. After going through that and mentioning it on the list where it was recommended I got an "oh yeah, that's right," response. Good luck, Tom On 6/22/2019 8:43 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: > Hi David, > > Below is a link to my public OneDrive folder: > https://1drv.ms/f/s! > There you will find a zip archive containing disk images which you can burn > to DVD and a readme file. > Regardless which you burn, you can boot to a talking Windows 7 > pre-installation environment running NVDA using the Eloquence synthesizer. > If you burn the smaller image, you can at the very least explore the disks > attached on the booted system. > If you burn the larger image, you can even install Windows 7. > This might be enough to get the broken Windows 8 system you have running with > a fresh copy of Windows 7. > Incidentally, I used the larger image to install Windows 7 into a VMWare > Workstation virtual machine, and then I upgraded it to Windows 10. > But, that's another story. Smile > Of course, you would still need to activate whatever Windows version you end > up with, and so purchasing a product code is still necessary. > However, the tool I am offering might be of help to you or whoever reads this. > > Good luck, > > Rod > > Sent from Outlook for Windows > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > On Behalf Of David via Talk > Sent: June 21, 2019 2:13 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Cc: David > Subject: Re: Installing Win10 > > Think I might have to stress a couple of points here, just to help you all > assisting me the better. Sorry for not being totally clear on this from the > start. > > First of all, I do have WE9.54 here, full installation CD, which I received > very few days before WinEyes was all ditched. That is, it would be the latest > version ever. On that matter, I hence should be totally covered. > > My Win7 machine has 4GB of RAM, running a dual core 2.4GHZ CPU. I did try > running the Win10 upgrader on it, to see if it would work, and was told the > computer would work fine, but I would need some drivers. Going to the > manufacturer, Dell, I did find no driver for upgrading. Besides, I want to > keep the computer as an off-line backup system. It works just fine, and has > served here for more than a handful years, though it was second-hand when I > got it. > > So what then about the computer I am considering turning into Win10? It is an > HP, holding 8GB, and a Quadro CPU of something like 2.8GHZ - taken from > memory. It should have no trouble in meeting the minimum specs for RAM and > speed, though I do know nothing about drivers. Like I said, it did run > Win8.1, all till the OS got broken, through some maintaning upgrade. Since it > does not really start, just gets to a point where it tells me the Windows is > no longer valid, I will have to wipe the drive altogether, hence the computer > would be to consider as a "blank" system. In other words, updating the > windows on that machine, is not possible. And unless i can get Win10 on it, > my guess is that a quite working hardware might have to simply be thrown > away. Booting from the DVD drive on the computer should be little trouble, > since my memory tells me it is already set do do such booting. > > For both computers, they are laptops, so ideas like changing any hardware, is > no alternative. And should not give much for functionality. > > Again, thanks to all for your assistance. I am still all ears, if you have > further input to contribute. Great to hear I can do the installation of > Win10, without eyes. IPhone and apps for sighted assistance is not really an > option here, simply because I don't own any Apple stuff, and to get an IPhone > just for the benefit of installing a computer seem out of range. Smiles. I am > aware the option to have similar assistance over Android, but would greatly > appreciate doing the job as much as possible without depending on having more > or less knowledgeable eyes messing with the screen read
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Rod, Here's what I get with your link in Chrome. This 1drv.ms page can’t be found No webpage was found for the web address: https://1drv.ms/f/s HTTP ERROR 404 On 6/22/2019 10:39 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: Hi David, I am not able to give you a link to the specific file you require. Rather, the URL I gave is to the OneDrive folder containing the file. So, the URL I gave you would be the page displaying the folder contents, and so you would have to navigate the page and find the file you need, specifically: twpe_r2.zip This name on the page should represent as a link which, when pressed, would commence its download. If this doesn't work, I could try another file transfer method. Good luck, Rod Sent from Outlook for Windows -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of David via Talk Sent: June 22, 2019 9:42 PM To: Rod Hutton via Talk Cc: David Subject: Re: Installing Win10 Rod, Thanks for your effort to help. Unfortunately, I wonder if the link you provided was broken, or incomplete. Tried to press Enter on it, and Firefox (my prefered browser) came up. It hang, and still something like 45 minutes later, nothing has happened. Normally, things should have started downloading, shouldn't they? Would you mind, please, checking your link, and letting me know if there is something further I need to do to get hold of the info? Thanks again, your help is great. Did not know there was an accessible way of installing Win7. Will come in handy for other times as well. Regards, David On 6/23/2019 2:43 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: Hi David, Below is a link to my public OneDrive folder: https://1drv.ms/f/s! There you will find a zip archive containing disk images which you can burn to DVD and a readme file. Regardless which you burn, you can boot to a talking Windows 7 pre-installation environment running NVDA using the Eloquence synthesizer. If you burn the smaller image, you can at the very least explore the disks attached on the booted system. If you burn the larger image, you can even install Windows 7. This might be enough to get the broken Windows 8 system you have running with a fresh copy of Windows 7. Incidentally, I used the larger image to install Windows 7 into a VMWare Workstation virtual machine, and then I upgraded it to Windows 10. But, that's another story. Smile Of course, you would still need to activate whatever Windows version you end up with, and so purchasing a product code is still necessary. However, the tool I am offering might be of help to you or whoever reads this. Good luck, Rod Sent from Outlook for Windows -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of David via Talk Sent: June 21, 2019 2:13 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: David Subject: Re: Installing Win10 Think I might have to stress a couple of points here, just to help you all assisting me the better. Sorry for not being totally clear on this from the start. First of all, I do have WE9.54 here, full installation CD, which I received very few days before WinEyes was all ditched. That is, it would be the latest version ever. On that matter, I hence should be totally covered. My Win7 machine has 4GB of RAM, running a dual core 2.4GHZ CPU. I did try running the Win10 upgrader on it, to see if it would work, and was told the computer would work fine, but I would need some drivers. Going to the manufacturer, Dell, I did find no driver for upgrading. Besides, I want to keep the computer as an off-line backup system. It works just fine, and has served here for more than a handful years, though it was second-hand when I got it. So what then about the computer I am considering turning into Win10? It is an HP, holding 8GB, and a Quadro CPU of something like 2.8GHZ - taken from memory. It should have no trouble in meeting the minimum specs for RAM and speed, though I do know nothing about drivers. Like I said, it did run Win8.1, all till the OS got broken, through some maintaning upgrade. Since it does not really start, just gets to a point where it tells me the Windows is no longer valid, I will have to wipe the drive altogether, hence the computer would be to consider as a "blank" system. In other words, updating the windows on that machine, is not possible. And unless i can get Win10 on it, my guess is that a quite working hardware might have to simply be thrown away. Booting from the DVD drive on the computer should be little trouble, since my memory tells me it is already set do do such booting. For both computers, they are laptops, so ideas like changing any hardware, is no alternative. And should not give much for functionality. Again, thanks to all for your assistance. I am still all ears, if you have further input to contribute. Great to hear I can do the installation of Win10, without eyes. IPhone and apps for sighted assistance is not really an option here, simply because I don't own any Apple stuff,
RE: Installing Win10
Hi David, I am not able to give you a link to the specific file you require. Rather, the URL I gave is to the OneDrive folder containing the file. So, the URL I gave you would be the page displaying the folder contents, and so you would have to navigate the page and find the file you need, specifically: twpe_r2.zip This name on the page should represent as a link which, when pressed, would commence its download. If this doesn't work, I could try another file transfer method. Good luck, Rod Sent from Outlook for Windows -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of David via Talk Sent: June 22, 2019 9:42 PM To: Rod Hutton via Talk Cc: David Subject: Re: Installing Win10 Rod, Thanks for your effort to help. Unfortunately, I wonder if the link you provided was broken, or incomplete. Tried to press Enter on it, and Firefox (my prefered browser) came up. It hang, and still something like 45 minutes later, nothing has happened. Normally, things should have started downloading, shouldn't they? Would you mind, please, checking your link, and letting me know if there is something further I need to do to get hold of the info? Thanks again, your help is great. Did not know there was an accessible way of installing Win7. Will come in handy for other times as well. Regards, David On 6/23/2019 2:43 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: > Hi David, > > Below is a link to my public OneDrive folder: > https://1drv.ms/f/s! > There you will find a zip archive containing disk images which you can burn > to DVD and a readme file. > Regardless which you burn, you can boot to a talking Windows 7 > pre-installation environment running NVDA using the Eloquence synthesizer. > If you burn the smaller image, you can at the very least explore the disks > attached on the booted system. > If you burn the larger image, you can even install Windows 7. > This might be enough to get the broken Windows 8 system you have running with > a fresh copy of Windows 7. > Incidentally, I used the larger image to install Windows 7 into a VMWare > Workstation virtual machine, and then I upgraded it to Windows 10. > But, that's another story. Smile > Of course, you would still need to activate whatever Windows version you end > up with, and so purchasing a product code is still necessary. > However, the tool I am offering might be of help to you or whoever reads this. > > Good luck, > > Rod > > Sent from Outlook for Windows > > -Original Message- > From: Talk On > Behalf Of David via Talk > Sent: June 21, 2019 2:13 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Cc: David > Subject: Re: Installing Win10 > > Think I might have to stress a couple of points here, just to help you all > assisting me the better. Sorry for not being totally clear on this from the > start. > > First of all, I do have WE9.54 here, full installation CD, which I received > very few days before WinEyes was all ditched. That is, it would be the latest > version ever. On that matter, I hence should be totally covered. > > My Win7 machine has 4GB of RAM, running a dual core 2.4GHZ CPU. I did try > running the Win10 upgrader on it, to see if it would work, and was told the > computer would work fine, but I would need some drivers. Going to the > manufacturer, Dell, I did find no driver for upgrading. Besides, I want to > keep the computer as an off-line backup system. It works just fine, and has > served here for more than a handful years, though it was second-hand when I > got it. > > So what then about the computer I am considering turning into Win10? It is an > HP, holding 8GB, and a Quadro CPU of something like 2.8GHZ - taken from > memory. It should have no trouble in meeting the minimum specs for RAM and > speed, though I do know nothing about drivers. Like I said, it did run > Win8.1, all till the OS got broken, through some maintaning upgrade. Since it > does not really start, just gets to a point where it tells me the Windows is > no longer valid, I will have to wipe the drive altogether, hence the computer > would be to consider as a "blank" system. In other words, updating the > windows on that machine, is not possible. And unless i can get Win10 on it, > my guess is that a quite working hardware might have to simply be thrown > away. Booting from the DVD drive on the computer should be little trouble, > since my memory tells me it is already set do do such booting. > > For both computers, they are laptops, so ideas like changing any hardware, is > no alternative. And should not give much for functionality. > > Again, thanks to all for your assistance. I am still all ears, if you have > further input to contribute. Great to hear I can do the installation of > Win10, without eyes. IPhon
Re: Installing Win10
Just for the record, here's my experience with using this talking Windows 7 pre-installation environment running NVDA on a system that wasn't originally Windows 7. It rewrote the bios and bricked the machine. Fortunately I was able to recover it with the original backup and sighted assistance. After going through that and mentioning it on the list where it was recommended I got an "oh yeah, that's right," response. Good luck, Tom On 6/22/2019 8:43 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: Hi David, Below is a link to my public OneDrive folder: https://1drv.ms/f/s! There you will find a zip archive containing disk images which you can burn to DVD and a readme file. Regardless which you burn, you can boot to a talking Windows 7 pre-installation environment running NVDA using the Eloquence synthesizer. If you burn the smaller image, you can at the very least explore the disks attached on the booted system. If you burn the larger image, you can even install Windows 7. This might be enough to get the broken Windows 8 system you have running with a fresh copy of Windows 7. Incidentally, I used the larger image to install Windows 7 into a VMWare Workstation virtual machine, and then I upgraded it to Windows 10. But, that's another story. Smile Of course, you would still need to activate whatever Windows version you end up with, and so purchasing a product code is still necessary. However, the tool I am offering might be of help to you or whoever reads this. Good luck, Rod Sent from Outlook for Windows -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of David via Talk Sent: June 21, 2019 2:13 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: David Subject: Re: Installing Win10 Think I might have to stress a couple of points here, just to help you all assisting me the better. Sorry for not being totally clear on this from the start. First of all, I do have WE9.54 here, full installation CD, which I received very few days before WinEyes was all ditched. That is, it would be the latest version ever. On that matter, I hence should be totally covered. My Win7 machine has 4GB of RAM, running a dual core 2.4GHZ CPU. I did try running the Win10 upgrader on it, to see if it would work, and was told the computer would work fine, but I would need some drivers. Going to the manufacturer, Dell, I did find no driver for upgrading. Besides, I want to keep the computer as an off-line backup system. It works just fine, and has served here for more than a handful years, though it was second-hand when I got it. So what then about the computer I am considering turning into Win10? It is an HP, holding 8GB, and a Quadro CPU of something like 2.8GHZ - taken from memory. It should have no trouble in meeting the minimum specs for RAM and speed, though I do know nothing about drivers. Like I said, it did run Win8.1, all till the OS got broken, through some maintaning upgrade. Since it does not really start, just gets to a point where it tells me the Windows is no longer valid, I will have to wipe the drive altogether, hence the computer would be to consider as a "blank" system. In other words, updating the windows on that machine, is not possible. And unless i can get Win10 on it, my guess is that a quite working hardware might have to simply be thrown away. Booting from the DVD drive on the computer should be little trouble, since my memory tells me it is already set do do such booting. For both computers, they are laptops, so ideas like changing any hardware, is no alternative. And should not give much for functionality. Again, thanks to all for your assistance. I am still all ears, if you have further input to contribute. Great to hear I can do the installation of Win10, without eyes. IPhone and apps for sighted assistance is not really an option here, simply because I don't own any Apple stuff, and to get an IPhone just for the benefit of installing a computer seem out of range. Smiles. I am aware the option to have similar assistance over Android, but would greatly appreciate doing the job as much as possible without depending on having more or less knowledgeable eyes messing with the screen reading. Used to instal computers back in the 90's, so am not totally new to the idea of getting the job done - though Windows do pose certain challenges that we did not face back then. smiles. David On 6/21/2019 10:53 AM, Thomas N. Chan via Talk wrote: For the win 8 upgrade to win 10, I really don't think it's a > authorise upgrade since you don't really own a licence copy of win 8. So upgrade path is not applicable. You will get good deals if you > stick with win 10 home. I am not sure where you can get good deal > online but I really did seen good pricing on amazon, maybe bestbuy > etc. > > > regards Thomas N. Chan -Original > Message- From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan
Re: Installing Win10
Rod, Thanks for your effort to help. Unfortunately, I wonder if the link you provided was broken, or incomplete. Tried to press Enter on it, and Firefox (my prefered browser) came up. It hang, and still something like 45 minutes later, nothing has happened. Normally, things should have started downloading, shouldn't they? Would you mind, please, checking your link, and letting me know if there is something further I need to do to get hold of the info? Thanks again, your help is great. Did not know there was an accessible way of installing Win7. Will come in handy for other times as well. Regards, David On 6/23/2019 2:43 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: > Hi David, > > Below is a link to my public OneDrive folder: > https://1drv.ms/f/s! > There you will find a zip archive containing disk images which you can burn > to DVD and a readme file. > Regardless which you burn, you can boot to a talking Windows 7 > pre-installation environment running NVDA using the Eloquence synthesizer. > If you burn the smaller image, you can at the very least explore the disks > attached on the booted system. > If you burn the larger image, you can even install Windows 7. > This might be enough to get the broken Windows 8 system you have running with > a fresh copy of Windows 7. > Incidentally, I used the larger image to install Windows 7 into a VMWare > Workstation virtual machine, and then I upgraded it to Windows 10. > But, that's another story. Smile > Of course, you would still need to activate whatever Windows version you end > up with, and so purchasing a product code is still necessary. > However, the tool I am offering might be of help to you or whoever reads this. > > Good luck, > > Rod > > Sent from Outlook for Windows > > -Original Message- > From: Talk On > Behalf Of David via Talk > Sent: June 21, 2019 2:13 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Cc: David > Subject: Re: Installing Win10 > > Think I might have to stress a couple of points here, just to help you all > assisting me the better. Sorry for not being totally clear on this from the > start. > > First of all, I do have WE9.54 here, full installation CD, which I received > very few days before WinEyes was all ditched. That is, it would be the latest > version ever. On that matter, I hence should be totally covered. > > My Win7 machine has 4GB of RAM, running a dual core 2.4GHZ CPU. I did try > running the Win10 upgrader on it, to see if it would work, and was told the > computer would work fine, but I would need some drivers. Going to the > manufacturer, Dell, I did find no driver for upgrading. Besides, I want to > keep the computer as an off-line backup system. It works just fine, and has > served here for more than a handful years, though it was second-hand when I > got it. > > So what then about the computer I am considering turning into Win10? It is an > HP, holding 8GB, and a Quadro CPU of something like 2.8GHZ - taken from > memory. It should have no trouble in meeting the minimum specs for RAM and > speed, though I do know nothing about drivers. Like I said, it did run > Win8.1, all till the OS got broken, through some maintaning upgrade. Since it > does not really start, just gets to a point where it tells me the Windows is > no longer valid, I will have to wipe the drive altogether, hence the computer > would be to consider as a "blank" system. In other words, updating the > windows on that machine, is not possible. And unless i can get Win10 on it, > my guess is that a quite working hardware might have to simply be thrown > away. Booting from the DVD drive on the computer should be little trouble, > since my memory tells me it is already set do do such booting. > > For both computers, they are laptops, so ideas like changing any hardware, is > no alternative. And should not give much for functionality. > > Again, thanks to all for your assistance. I am still all ears, if you have > further input to contribute. Great to hear I can do the installation of > Win10, without eyes. IPhone and apps for sighted assistance is not really an > option here, simply because I don't own any Apple stuff, and to get an IPhone > just for the benefit of installing a computer seem out of range. Smiles. I am > aware the option to have similar assistance over Android, but would greatly > appreciate doing the job as much as possible without depending on having more > or less knowledgeable eyes messing with the screen reading. Used to instal > computers back in the 90's, so am not totally new to the idea of getting the > job done - though Windows do pose certain challenges that we did not face > back then. smiles. > David > > On 6/21/2019 10
RE: Installing Win10
Hi David, Below is a link to my public OneDrive folder: https://1drv.ms/f/s! There you will find a zip archive containing disk images which you can burn to DVD and a readme file. Regardless which you burn, you can boot to a talking Windows 7 pre-installation environment running NVDA using the Eloquence synthesizer. If you burn the smaller image, you can at the very least explore the disks attached on the booted system. If you burn the larger image, you can even install Windows 7. This might be enough to get the broken Windows 8 system you have running with a fresh copy of Windows 7. Incidentally, I used the larger image to install Windows 7 into a VMWare Workstation virtual machine, and then I upgraded it to Windows 10. But, that's another story. Smile Of course, you would still need to activate whatever Windows version you end up with, and so purchasing a product code is still necessary. However, the tool I am offering might be of help to you or whoever reads this. Good luck, Rod Sent from Outlook for Windows -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of David via Talk Sent: June 21, 2019 2:13 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: David Subject: Re: Installing Win10 Think I might have to stress a couple of points here, just to help you all assisting me the better. Sorry for not being totally clear on this from the start. First of all, I do have WE9.54 here, full installation CD, which I received very few days before WinEyes was all ditched. That is, it would be the latest version ever. On that matter, I hence should be totally covered. My Win7 machine has 4GB of RAM, running a dual core 2.4GHZ CPU. I did try running the Win10 upgrader on it, to see if it would work, and was told the computer would work fine, but I would need some drivers. Going to the manufacturer, Dell, I did find no driver for upgrading. Besides, I want to keep the computer as an off-line backup system. It works just fine, and has served here for more than a handful years, though it was second-hand when I got it. So what then about the computer I am considering turning into Win10? It is an HP, holding 8GB, and a Quadro CPU of something like 2.8GHZ - taken from memory. It should have no trouble in meeting the minimum specs for RAM and speed, though I do know nothing about drivers. Like I said, it did run Win8.1, all till the OS got broken, through some maintaning upgrade. Since it does not really start, just gets to a point where it tells me the Windows is no longer valid, I will have to wipe the drive altogether, hence the computer would be to consider as a "blank" system. In other words, updating the windows on that machine, is not possible. And unless i can get Win10 on it, my guess is that a quite working hardware might have to simply be thrown away. Booting from the DVD drive on the computer should be little trouble, since my memory tells me it is already set do do such booting. For both computers, they are laptops, so ideas like changing any hardware, is no alternative. And should not give much for functionality. Again, thanks to all for your assistance. I am still all ears, if you have further input to contribute. Great to hear I can do the installation of Win10, without eyes. IPhone and apps for sighted assistance is not really an option here, simply because I don't own any Apple stuff, and to get an IPhone just for the benefit of installing a computer seem out of range. Smiles. I am aware the option to have similar assistance over Android, but would greatly appreciate doing the job as much as possible without depending on having more or less knowledgeable eyes messing with the screen reading. Used to instal computers back in the 90's, so am not totally new to the idea of getting the job done - though Windows do pose certain challenges that we did not face back then. smiles. David On 6/21/2019 10:53 AM, Thomas N. Chan via Talk wrote: > For the win 8 upgrade to win 10, I really don't think it's a > > authorise upgrade since you don't really own a licence copy of win 8. > > So upgrade path is not applicable. You will get good deals if you > > stick with win 10 home. I am not sure where you can get good deal > > online but I really did seen good pricing on amazon, maybe bestbuy > > etc. > > > regards Thomas N. Chan -Original > > Message- From: Talk > > [mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On > > Behalf Of James Bentley via Talk Sent: Friday, 21 June 2019 2:34 AM > > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > <mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Cc: > > James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1...@att.net> > Subject: Re: Installing Win10 > > Hi David, > > You should be able to > buy a legal copy of Windows 10 from Amazon for > around twenty bucks > less than what Microsoft c
Re: Installing Win10
Think I might have to stress a couple of points here, just to help you all assisting me the better. Sorry for not being totally clear on this from the start. First of all, I do have WE9.54 here, full installation CD, which I received very few days before WinEyes was all ditched. That is, it would be the latest version ever. On that matter, I hence should be totally covered. My Win7 machine has 4GB of RAM, running a dual core 2.4GHZ CPU. I did try running the Win10 upgrader on it, to see if it would work, and was told the computer would work fine, but I would need some drivers. Going to the manufacturer, Dell, I did find no driver for upgrading. Besides, I want to keep the computer as an off-line backup system. It works just fine, and has served here for more than a handful years, though it was second-hand when I got it. So what then about the computer I am considering turning into Win10? It is an HP, holding 8GB, and a Quadro CPU of something like 2.8GHZ - taken from memory. It should have no trouble in meeting the minimum specs for RAM and speed, though I do know nothing about drivers. Like I said, it did run Win8.1, all till the OS got broken, through some maintaning upgrade. Since it does not really start, just gets to a point where it tells me the Windows is no longer valid, I will have to wipe the drive altogether, hence the computer would be to consider as a "blank" system. In other words, updating the windows on that machine, is not possible. And unless i can get Win10 on it, my guess is that a quite working hardware might have to simply be thrown away. Booting from the DVD drive on the computer should be little trouble, since my memory tells me it is already set do do such booting. For both computers, they are laptops, so ideas like changing any hardware, is no alternative. And should not give much for functionality. Again, thanks to all for your assistance. I am still all ears, if you have further input to contribute. Great to hear I can do the installation of Win10, without eyes. IPhone and apps for sighted assistance is not really an option here, simply because I don't own any Apple stuff, and to get an IPhone just for the benefit of installing a computer seem out of range. Smiles. I am aware the option to have similar assistance over Android, but would greatly appreciate doing the job as much as possible without depending on having more or less knowledgeable eyes messing with the screen reading. Used to instal computers back in the 90's, so am not totally new to the idea of getting the job done - though Windows do pose certain challenges that we did not face back then. smiles. David On 6/21/2019 10:53 AM, Thomas N. Chan via Talk wrote: > For the win 8 upgrade to win 10, I really don't think it's a > authorise > upgrade since you don't really own a licence copy of win 8. > So upgrade path > is not applicable. You will get good deals if you > stick with win 10 home. I > am not sure where you can get good deal > online but I really did seen good > pricing on amazon, maybe bestbuy > etc. > > > regards > Thomas N. Chan -Original > Message- From: Talk > > [mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On > > Behalf Of James Bentley via Talk Sent: Friday, 21 June 2019 2:34 AM > To: > Window-Eyes Discussion List > <mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Cc: > James > Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1...@att.net> Subject: Re: > Installing Win10 > > Hi David, > > You should be able to buy a legal copy of > Windows 10 from Amazon for > around twenty bucks less than what Microsoft > charges. > > Sometimes, you can find a legal recycled license from Ebay. > These > recy cled licenses can cost around thirty bucks. They just send you > the key and you go to the Microsoft web site to get your download. > Always buy from a dealer > > from Ebay who has loads of excellant reviews. > > Also, you might still be able to upgrade Windows 8.1 with an > authorized copy > > of Windows 10 at no cost. That is also downloaded from a Microsoft > server but, I will wait for more details if some one else can please > post about that. > > Good luck, > > James B > > > -Original Message- From: David via Talk Sent: Thursday, June > 20, 2019 1:07 PM To: WE English Mailinglist Cc: David Subject: > Installing Win10 > > To the tech guys on this list, > > In about 6 months Microsoft will end the support for Win7. My Good > old working-horse of a computer might then be retired to make it for > a backup system. > > > I do have a computer stored away in a closet, which has a broken > version of Win8.1 on it. That is, it does not start up, only presents > some kind of an e rror scree
RE: Installing Win10
For the win 8 upgrade to win 10, I really don't think it's a authorise upgrade since you don't really own a licence copy of win 8. So upgrade path is not applicable. You will get good deals if you stick with win 10 home. I am not sure where you can get good deal online but I really did seen good pricing on amazon, maybe bestbuy etc. regards Thomas N. Chan -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of James Bentley via Talk Sent: Friday, 21 June 2019 2:34 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: James Bentley Subject: Re: Installing Win10 Hi David, You should be able to buy a legal copy of Windows 10 from Amazon for around twenty bucks less than what Microsoft charges. Sometimes, you can find a legal recycled license from Ebay. These recycled licenses can cost around thirty bucks. They just send you the key and you go to the Microsoft web site to get your download. Always buy from a dealer from Ebay who has loads of excellant reviews. Also, you might still be able to upgrade Windows 8.1 with an authorized copy of Windows 10 at no cost. That is also downloaded from a Microsoft server but, I will wait for more details if some one else can please post about that. Good luck, James B -Original Message- From: David via Talk Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 1:07 PM To: WE English Mailinglist Cc: David Subject: Installing Win10 To the tech guys on this list, In about 6 months Microsoft will end the support for Win7. My Good old working-horse of a computer might then be retired to make it for a backup system. I do have a computer stored away in a closet, which has a broken version of Win8.1 on it. That is, it does not start up, only presents some kind of an error screen, informing me the Windows is not a valid version. Was a computer I bought second-handed, and apparently the seller was no honest guy. Now, I wonder if I might go for a full version of Win10, and simply wipe out the old hard drive on that computer, and do a totally clean install of Win10. I would be buying the Win10, through the Microsoft store, and hence get a downloadable of the operative system. Never been using Win10, and only have paid half an ear to any discussion on the matter. But I seem to remember something about it being possible for a blind to install the OS all without eyes. Is that correct, and does it even apply when I will be doing a clean - all from scratch - installation? Could of course go and buy a brand new computer, but they tend to be loaded with all kinds of bloatware, over here. And the store I saw the other day, offering to install a clean win10 on their new systems, asked a price for the windows, about 20% more than what I see it advertised in Microsoft Store. Would then be a better business to get the broken win8 machine of mine going. Thanks for all input you can give me on the matter. I will not be doing my choice all at this time, but will be nice to know what to do, once the right time or offer comes up. -- David ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bentleyj1952%4 0att.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/thomas.nchan%4 0gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Installing Win10
Hi David, With great respect to all who have made suggestions on this subject, I have upgraded Windows 7 from older and more recent versions of Win 10. First, I suggest downloading the Win 10 upgrade assistance tool. This will analyze your hardware and software and you will get a report detailing any problems. Second, going back to ancient history, GW Micro stressed that uninstalling WE was not necessary, regardless whether upgrading from Win 7 or 8. However, their only additional note was that, going from 7 to 10, you would need to reinstall WE after the upgrade. Also, while WE 9.2 is the minimum version necessary to run on Win 10, I would be inclined to try to get 9.5.4 if you want a stable experience on Win 10, which I still enjoy today on the current version of Win 10. Next, if you are planning to upgrade a broken version of Windows, you can burn the Win 10 installation media to a DVD. If you can get the DVD to boot into the Win 10 setup, you could start Narrator using Ctrl-Win-Enter in order to configure the setup process as necessary. I found that this same keystroke was necessary for me even when simply upgrading from a previously working version of Windows. This is because Windows really works well with Narrator and always seems to come up talking when using the keystroke, whereas WE did not always, whether automatically at start up or by using the WE hot key. Finally, if you don't have anyone around with vision, I recommend using an iPhone using Microsoft's Seeing AI app. This would allow you to periodically monitor the screen. I hope this helps a bit, and my great hope and best wishes for your success. Smile. Take care, Rod Sent from Outlook for Windows -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of David via Talk Sent: June 20, 2019 2:07 PM To: WE English Mailinglist Cc: David Subject: Installing Win10 To the tech guys on this list, In about 6 months Microsoft will end the support for Win7. My Good old working-horse of a computer might then be retired to make it for a backup system. I do have a computer stored away in a closet, which has a broken version of Win8.1 on it. That is, it does not start up, only presents some kind of an error screen, informing me the Windows is not a valid version. Was a computer I bought second-handed, and apparently the seller was no honest guy. Now, I wonder if I might go for a full version of Win10, and simply wipe out the old hard drive on that computer, and do a totally clean install of Win10. I would be buying the Win10, through the Microsoft store, and hence get a downloadable of the operative system. Never been using Win10, and only have paid half an ear to any discussion on the matter. But I seem to remember something about it being possible for a blind to install the OS all without eyes. Is that correct, and does it even apply when I will be doing a clean - all from scratch - installation? Could of course go and buy a brand new computer, but they tend to be loaded with all kinds of bloatware, over here. And the store I saw the other day, offering to install a clean win10 on their new systems, asked a price for the windows, about 20% more than what I see it advertised in Microsoft Store. Would then be a better business to get the broken win8 machine of mine going. Thanks for all input you can give me on the matter. I will not be doing my choice all at this time, but will be nice to know what to do, once the right time or offer comes up. -- David ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Installing Win10
you also have to have version 9.2 or later or it will not install again. -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 12:03 PM To: Carol and Roger via Talk Cc: Butch Bussen Subject: Re: Installing Win10 If you do upgrade, be sure and uninstall window-eyes. I did two systems with microsoft disability help desk and it went into a loop with window-eyes installed and no way to get out of it without blowing the entire drive away. The second system, I uninstalled windoweyes, did the upgrade from seven, and then reinstalled window-eyes. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 20 Jun 2019, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: My suggestion would be to check with the people at the Microsoft accessibility desk. The reason I suggest this is that my Windows 7 computer was not compatible with the upgrade. It was a Depp PC and both Microsoft and Dell said not to upgrade as all that would happen would be that my PC would be in a permanent loop. It might be worth talking with Microsoft for help. Their number is (800) 936-5900. Carol On 6/20/2019 2:07 PM, David via Talk wrote: To the tech guys on this list, In about 6 months Microsoft will end the support for Win7. My Good old working-horse of a computer might then be retired to make it for a backup system. I do have a computer stored away in a closet, which has a broken version of Win8.1 on it. That is, it does not start up, only presents some kind of an error screen, informing me the Windows is not a valid version. Was a computer I bought second-handed, and apparently the seller was no honest guy. Now, I wonder if I might go for a full version of Win10, and simply wipe out the old hard drive on that computer, and do a totally clean install of Win10. I would be buying the Win10, through the Microsoft store, and hence get a downloadable of the operative system. Never been using Win10, and only have paid half an ear to any discussion on the matter. But I seem to remember something about it being possible for a blind to install the OS all without eyes. Is that correct, and does it even apply when I will be doing a clean - all from scratch - installation? Could of course go and buy a brand new computer, but they tend to be loaded with all kinds of bloatware, over here. And the store I saw the other day, offering to install a clean win10 on their new systems, asked a price for the windows, about 20% more than what I see it advertised in Microsoft Store. Would then be a better business to get the broken win8 machine of mine going. Thanks for all input you can give me on the matter. I will not be doing my choice all at this time, but will be nice to know what to do, once the right time or offer comes up. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/butchb%40shellworld.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Installing Win10
If you do upgrade, be sure and uninstall window-eyes. I did two systems with microsoft disability help desk and it went into a loop with window-eyes installed and no way to get out of it without blowing the entire drive away. The second system, I uninstalled windoweyes, did the upgrade from seven, and then reinstalled window-eyes. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Thu, 20 Jun 2019, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: My suggestion would be to check with the people at the Microsoft accessibility desk. The reason I suggest this is that my Windows 7 computer was not compatible with the upgrade. It was a Depp PC and both Microsoft and Dell said not to upgrade as all that would happen would be that my PC would be in a permanent loop. It might be worth talking with Microsoft for help. Their number is (800) 936-5900. Carol On 6/20/2019 2:07 PM, David via Talk wrote: To the tech guys on this list, In about 6 months Microsoft will end the support for Win7. My Good old working-horse of a computer might then be retired to make it for a backup system. I do have a computer stored away in a closet, which has a broken version of Win8.1 on it. That is, it does not start up, only presents some kind of an error screen, informing me the Windows is not a valid version. Was a computer I bought second-handed, and apparently the seller was no honest guy. Now, I wonder if I might go for a full version of Win10, and simply wipe out the old hard drive on that computer, and do a totally clean install of Win10. I would be buying the Win10, through the Microsoft store, and hence get a downloadable of the operative system. Never been using Win10, and only have paid half an ear to any discussion on the matter. But I seem to remember something about it being possible for a blind to install the OS all without eyes. Is that correct, and does it even apply when I will be doing a clean - all from scratch - installation? Could of course go and buy a brand new computer, but they tend to be loaded with all kinds of bloatware, over here. And the store I saw the other day, offering to install a clean win10 on their new systems, asked a price for the windows, about 20% more than what I see it advertised in Microsoft Store. Would then be a better business to get the broken win8 machine of mine going. Thanks for all input you can give me on the matter. I will not be doing my choice all at this time, but will be nice to know what to do, once the right time or offer comes up. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/butchb%40shellworld.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Installing Win10
My suggestion would be to check with the people at the Microsoft accessibility desk. The reason I suggest this is that my Windows 7 computer was not compatible with the upgrade. It was a Depp PC and both Microsoft and Dell said not to upgrade as all that would happen would be that my PC would be in a permanent loop. It might be worth talking with Microsoft for help. Their number is (800) 936-5900. Carol On 6/20/2019 2:07 PM, David via Talk wrote: To the tech guys on this list, In about 6 months Microsoft will end the support for Win7. My Good old working-horse of a computer might then be retired to make it for a backup system. I do have a computer stored away in a closet, which has a broken version of Win8.1 on it. That is, it does not start up, only presents some kind of an error screen, informing me the Windows is not a valid version. Was a computer I bought second-handed, and apparently the seller was no honest guy. Now, I wonder if I might go for a full version of Win10, and simply wipe out the old hard drive on that computer, and do a totally clean install of Win10. I would be buying the Win10, through the Microsoft store, and hence get a downloadable of the operative system. Never been using Win10, and only have paid half an ear to any discussion on the matter. But I seem to remember something about it being possible for a blind to install the OS all without eyes. Is that correct, and does it even apply when I will be doing a clean - all from scratch - installation? Could of course go and buy a brand new computer, but they tend to be loaded with all kinds of bloatware, over here. And the store I saw the other day, offering to install a clean win10 on their new systems, asked a price for the windows, about 20% more than what I see it advertised in Microsoft Store. Would then be a better business to get the broken win8 machine of mine going. Thanks for all input you can give me on the matter. I will not be doing my choice all at this time, but will be nice to know what to do, once the right time or offer comes up. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Installing Win10
Hi David, You should be able to buy a legal copy of Windows 10 from Amazon for around twenty bucks less than what Microsoft charges. Sometimes, you can find a legal recycled license from Ebay. These recycled licenses can cost around thirty bucks. They just send you the key and you go to the Microsoft web site to get your download. Always buy from a dealer from Ebay who has loads of excellant reviews. Also, you might still be able to upgrade Windows 8.1 with an authorized copy of Windows 10 at no cost. That is also downloaded from a Microsoft server but, I will wait for more details if some one else can please post about that. Good luck, James B -Original Message- From: David via Talk Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 1:07 PM To: WE English Mailinglist Cc: David Subject: Installing Win10 To the tech guys on this list, In about 6 months Microsoft will end the support for Win7. My Good old working-horse of a computer might then be retired to make it for a backup system. I do have a computer stored away in a closet, which has a broken version of Win8.1 on it. That is, it does not start up, only presents some kind of an error screen, informing me the Windows is not a valid version. Was a computer I bought second-handed, and apparently the seller was no honest guy. Now, I wonder if I might go for a full version of Win10, and simply wipe out the old hard drive on that computer, and do a totally clean install of Win10. I would be buying the Win10, through the Microsoft store, and hence get a downloadable of the operative system. Never been using Win10, and only have paid half an ear to any discussion on the matter. But I seem to remember something about it being possible for a blind to install the OS all without eyes. Is that correct, and does it even apply when I will be doing a clean - all from scratch - installation? Could of course go and buy a brand new computer, but they tend to be loaded with all kinds of bloatware, over here. And the store I saw the other day, offering to install a clean win10 on their new systems, asked a price for the windows, about 20% more than what I see it advertised in Microsoft Store. Would then be a better business to get the broken win8 machine of mine going. Thanks for all input you can give me on the matter. I will not be doing my choice all at this time, but will be nice to know what to do, once the right time or offer comes up. -- David ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bentleyj1952%40att.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
