RE: betrayal

[Barbara via Talk]

I was out-of-town when all this came out, so I am catching up now. OK I want
to comment on this below.  I do not think the comparison is really
appropriate mostly because we are talking about screen readers which has a
very small market.  I agree at some future time this company will have only
1 screen reader since it is unlikely that profits will be enough to maintain
both.  Remember unlike the company mentioned below these companies are
operating with a lot less margin for error Unlike those fast food companies,
there is a very limited market which does not allow for much expansion.  So
time will tell and we can look back at today and see how accurate each of us
was.  Smile.

Barbara


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Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 9:53 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: betrayal

Pam,

You might think so and it's what I thought too.

However, think of this one for a moment. Yum Brands is a big holding company
in the fast-food industry.  They own brands such as KFC, Taco Bell and, I
believe, Pizza Hut.  I believe there are others in that brand holding
company but don't know them off-hand.  A google search would get you all of
them, I'm sure.

My point in bringing them up is that there are several brands under that
name and all are indepednet.  Even though the same holding company owns all
of them, they each put out their own type of food and are distinct chains.

I'm wondering if VFO now becomes a major holding company in the AT world
with each brand allowed to be independent but there is some sharing of
resources.  We will have to see what happens.

BTW I don't know why I didn't think of the comparison last night but time
allows one to think.

As others have said, and they're probably right, the Dept. of Justice
probably wont touch this one due to size. Concerns can be expressed though
even if they're not likely to go any further than that.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E.
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RE: betrayal

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Absolutely not.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:45 PM
To: Paulette Vickery; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Hmm, Paulette, VoiceOver on the iPhone, TalkBack on Android, will soon
render screen readers worthless in my view.  Pretty soon, computers may even
go away except in government offices where nothing ever changes!

Indeed, it's a bitter pill for me to swallow!  The death of Window-Eyes may
mean that I'd become jobless.  Jaws HAS NEVER worked with my set up here and
for this long, Window-Eyes has kept me at my desk where I make the pennies
that pay the bills and put fruits and veggies on my wee, small table.  I
better jealously GUARD my old copies of Window-Eyes because if my computer
crashes, and I need to perform a reinstall, I may not be able to download
one sometime soon from any source.

My SMA expired sometime back; I'd been thinking long and hard about buying
another SMA.  But now, I am confused with the hope that my confusion will
somehow be sorted out though I'm not so sure it will ever be done
satisfactorily.

When businesses pander to venture capitalists, this is what happens! 
Perhaps GW Micro could have raised enough funds to STAY AWAKE if it had
opted to sell stocks in the open market to source funds for continuous
development.  This never happens in the adaptive technology industry. 
Constant argument?  It's a small niche market of blind folks!  I'm still
blind, yet I own a small piece of Avis Rent-A-Car because I purchased its
stocks.  I shall certainly have done the same if GW micro had issued an IPO.

I hope the future for blind folks who come after me will be a brilliant one
and they won't have to worry about being let down by screen reader
developers.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 


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Re: betrayal

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I hope this is the case.  Yes, it seems that all sorts of companies own all 
sorts of other companies you wouldn't think did.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Karyn Campbell via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:53 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: betrayal

Pam,

You might think so and it's what I thought too.

However, think of this one for a moment. Yum Brands is a big holding company
in the fast-food industry.  They own brands such as KFC, Taco Bell and, I
believe, Pizza Hut.  I believe there are others in that brand holding
company but don't know them off-hand.  A google search would get you all of
them, I'm sure.

My point in bringing them up is that there are several brands under that
name and all are indepednet.  Even though the same holding company owns all
of them, they each put out their own type of food and are distinct chains.

I'm wondering if VFO now becomes a major holding company in the AT world
with each brand allowed to be independent but there is some sharing of
resources.  We will have to see what happens.

BTW I don't know why I didn't think of the comparison last night but time
allows one to think.

As others have said, and they're probably right, the Dept. of Justice
probably wont touch this one due to size. Concerns can be expressed though
even if they're not likely to go any further than that.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E.
11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with
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Re: betrayal

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

How are they not the same thing?  Just because they are smaller, doesn't 
mean they are not competitors.  This is not an example of a monopoly. 
If Microsoft came out with a version of Windows that forced you to use 
their screen reader, then you would have a point.


On 6/15/2016 7:42 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

Why wouldn't it be?  One company controlling all of the companies that
provide a certain thing, well, isn't that a monopoly?  Like good old Ma
Bell?  And no, I'm purposely not mentioning System Access or the other
one, because they are not the same thing.  Pam.

-Original Message- From: multi 85 via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:53 PM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Are you sure Darrell? Even though I'm not exactly happy about this, I
wouldn't say it is a monopoly. We must just make sure that colleges,
universities and governments know there are alternatives such as SA,
Baum Cobra, Dolphin screenreader and NVDA. The problem will be if the
company or screenreader becomes totally dominant in the open market
and puts others out of business, but until then, is this really
antitrust? Of course, I'm not in the US or know your laws, but they
will argue there is enough competition as far as what I can see.
Won't trade commission be waste of time for whatever objective you want?
Maybe they must just merge and we see if there might be interesting
new products, although I think large companies, if there is only one,
innovation could become slower.
We maybe all upset or worked up now, but when the dust settles, at
least it isn't a giant with no alternative for those of us who want
alternative.
The only thing scaring me is, I hope Microsoft will then not just work
with this company and will work with the other screenreaders and we
don't end up with monopoly mega.

On 6/14/16, Darrell Bowles via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Rest of shored, I will be contacting the Federal Trade Commission.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Paulette Vickery via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

It was a sad day when Hims stopped making the Voice Sense. Now if I want
to
replace mine, I will have to get a braille display, whether I want
one or
not.

About the swallowing whole of Aye Squared/GWMicro; it is so sad that I
can
barely think about it. I am beginning to think that no matter what we
spout
in public, blind people are slowed being screwed on many fronts. Have
any
of
you guys tried to buy a stove lately? Finding one that is totally
accessible
is impossible. And now the competition between companies that say they
want
to sell to the blindness market and keep their needs in mind  has been
compromised yet again. Being blind these days is becoming harder rather
than
easier, no matter how you slice it.

Paulette
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:11 PM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Who knows, Hims-inc might be next. RJ



On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
To: net bat <net...@comcast.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: betrayal

I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean,
Zoomtext
and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only
one
magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin

and

System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to
challenge
Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.


On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
you already know what is going to happen.
virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
you will pay there price or do without.
it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.


-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
there, an

Re: betrayal

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

I think expressing concerns to FS would be far more effective than 
involving the federal government, as well as conducting a social 
networking campaign.  I'm sure there will be plenty said in publications 
for the blind andto the extent that there are forums, people here should 
speak out.  I realize I'm not saying anything you don't already know.


On 6/15/2016 10:53 AM, Karyn Campbell via Talk wrote:

Pam,

You might think so and it's what I thought too.

However, think of this one for a moment. Yum Brands is a big holding company
in the fast-food industry.  They own brands such as KFC, Taco Bell and, I
believe, Pizza Hut.  I believe there are others in that brand holding
company but don't know them off-hand.  A google search would get you all of
them, I'm sure.

My point in bringing them up is that there are several brands under that
name and all are indepednet.  Even though the same holding company owns all
of them, they each put out their own type of food and are distinct chains.

I'm wondering if VFO now becomes a major holding company in the AT world
with each brand allowed to be independent but there is some sharing of
resources.  We will have to see what happens.

BTW I don't know why I didn't think of the comparison last night but time
allows one to think.

As others have said, and they're probably right, the Dept. of Justice
probably wont touch this one due to size. Concerns can be expressed though
even if they're not likely to go any further than that.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E.
11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with
Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on boht
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Re: betrayal

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Hmm, Paulette, VoiceOver on the iPhone, TalkBack on Android, will soon 
render screen readers worthless in my view.  Pretty soon, computers may even 
go away except in government offices where nothing ever changes!


Indeed, it's a bitter pill for me to swallow!  The death of Window-Eyes may 
mean that I'd become jobless.  Jaws HAS NEVER worked with my set up here and 
for this long, Window-Eyes has kept me at my desk where I make the pennies 
that pay the bills and put fruits and veggies on my wee, small table.  I 
better jealously GUARD my old copies of Window-Eyes because if my computer 
crashes, and I need to perform a reinstall, I may not be able to download 
one sometime soon from any source.


My SMA expired sometime back; I'd been thinking long and hard about buying 
another SMA.  But now, I am confused with the hope that my confusion will 
somehow be sorted out though I'm not so sure it will ever be done 
satisfactorily.


When businesses pander to venture capitalists, this is what happens! 
Perhaps GW Micro could have raised enough funds to STAY AWAKE if it had 
opted to sell stocks in the open market to source funds for continuous 
development.  This never happens in the adaptive technology industry. 
Constant argument?  It's a small niche market of blind folks!  I'm still 
blind, yet I own a small piece of Avis Rent-A-Car because I purchased its 
stocks.  I shall certainly have done the same if GW micro had issued an IPO. 
I hope the future for blind folks who come after me will be a brilliant one 
and they won't have to worry about being let down by screen reader 
developers.


Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 



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RE: betrayal

[Mike Pietruk via Talk]

Karyn

That's a good example of YUM.  And YUM itself is a spin-off of Pepsico 
(pep) which, over the years, had bought up Pizza Hut, Taco Bell, Pizza 
Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken, et al.
So what you have is a bunch of initially independent fast food chains 
which end up being bought up and placed under the Pepsi corporate umbrella 
and then Pepsico packages them together into a new spin-off company, Yum 
Brands (yum).
So, I suppose, as an example, someone could come along, make an offer and 
purchase GW-Micro from its new owner.
OR JFW, Zoom Text, whatever.
Not saying this would happen, but, in the business world, brand names can 
and do change owners sometimes for the better and other times with no 
consequence and sometimes for the worse.




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RE: betrayal

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Its very sad indeed that they had no interest in learning Window-Eyes. This
is one of the reasons we're in this mess.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:25 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

The avoidance of Window eyes might be caused by the laziness of those
who had learned Jaws, but did not wish to now learn Window eyes.  Didn't
matter if Window Eyes was better, or less buggy.  It came down to those
who make the decisions for purchasing Screen Readers only knew Jaws, and
they had always gone with Jaws etc.  Everyone they knew also knew Jaws,
why change now?  Isn't one screen reader the same as another?   Bla Bla
Bla

I once approached someone at the local Light House for the Blind  and
attempted to get them to look at Window Eyes.  they wouldn't even give
it a glance.  Jaws was working for them, and they knew how to write
Scripts for Jaws, and they had no interest in learning Window eyes.  



-- 
Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>

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RE: betrayal

[Karyn Campbell via Talk]

Pam,

You might think so and it's what I thought too.

However, think of this one for a moment. Yum Brands is a big holding company
in the fast-food industry.  They own brands such as KFC, Taco Bell and, I
believe, Pizza Hut.  I believe there are others in that brand holding
company but don't know them off-hand.  A google search would get you all of
them, I'm sure.

My point in bringing them up is that there are several brands under that
name and all are indepednet.  Even though the same holding company owns all
of them, they each put out their own type of food and are distinct chains.

I'm wondering if VFO now becomes a major holding company in the AT world
with each brand allowed to be independent but there is some sharing of
resources.  We will have to see what happens.

BTW I don't know why I didn't think of the comparison last night but time
allows one to think.

As others have said, and they're probably right, the Dept. of Justice
probably wont touch this one due to size. Concerns can be expressed though
even if they're not likely to go any further than that.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E.
11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with
Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on boht
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Re: betrayal

[Dave via Talk]

The avoidance of Window eyes might be caused by the laziness of those
who had learned Jaws, but did not wish to now learn Window eyes.  Didn't
matter if Window Eyes was better, or less buggy.  It came down to those
who make the decisions for purchasing Screen Readers only knew Jaws, and
they had always gone with Jaws etc.  Everyone they knew also knew Jaws,
why change now?  Isn't one screen reader the same as another?   Bla Bla
Bla

I once approached someone at the local Light House for the Blind  and
attempted to get them to look at Window Eyes.  they wouldn't even give
it a glance.  Jaws was working for them, and they knew how to write
Scripts for Jaws, and they had no interest in learning Window eyes.  



-- 
Dave 

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RE: betrayal

[Veronica Smith via Talk]

Or televisions, or toasters or containers of yogurt.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:59 AM
To: Evan Reese; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Why have two Screen Readers?  

guess you could ask that of those few companies that make Soap, or
Breakfast Cereals.  

ever walk down the isle and see the shelves filled with so many
varieties of soap and Cereal, it is hard to find just plain old Corn
Flakes.  


-- 
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Re: betrayal

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Most government programs, do not want to purchase window eyes, because jaws is 
all they know.
And odd comparison of that would be to say, that in professional wrestling, 
it's that thing that whole Cogan does.
Window-Eyes was always considered second  rate by the competition. And so, if 
the client need to screen reader, they were generally stuck with Jaws.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:52 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> I was talking to somebody about the government only buying jaws, and she 
> apparently looked up on a site to find out what the government would be able 
> to purchase.  Window eyes was listed on there, too.  I don't remember what 
> they call that contract, but even though they purchased jaws, they also had 
> window eyes on there.  My husband was trying to get them to buy window eyes, 
> but they wouldn't.  They said they didn't have a government contract.  It 
> turned out not to be true.  They just didn't want to do it for whatever 
> reason.  Pam.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:15 PM
> To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: betrayal
> 
> Hi Guys.  I know that some of you guys are upset about this but here is my
> thoughts on this.  As we all know, Window-Eyes has been denied its
> opertunity in mainstreme blind related computer programs, meaning that in
> the days of GWMicro, no agency would fund Window-Eyes even though it had a
> price tag similar to JAWS.  As for NVDA, it's a great product as far as it
> goes. However, there are business's and employment that I have come across
> who don't like OpenSource. The reason is that they fear that OpenSource
> solutions can affect their computers with virus's, spyware, etc. Thirdly, it
> allows Window-Eyes to become embraced in schools, colleges, universities,
> etc as for years it hasn't had a chance to become accepted in schools in the
> US or in Canada. Also, there are also JAWS scripts that could easally be
> modified to work with Window-Eyes. These include CakeTalking from Dancing
> Dots, which I personally use in my recording studio to record music, as well
> as the lime notation product to notate scores. All of these packages that I
> use are essential for my work as a musician.
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Re: betrayal

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I was talking to somebody about the government only buying jaws, and she 
apparently looked up on a site to find out what the government would be able 
to purchase.  Window eyes was listed on there, too.  I don't remember what 
they call that contract, but even though they purchased jaws, they also had 
window eyes on there.  My husband was trying to get them to buy window eyes, 
but they wouldn't.  They said they didn't have a government contract.  It 
turned out not to be true.  They just didn't want to do it for whatever 
reason.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:15 PM
To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: betrayal

Hi Guys.  I know that some of you guys are upset about this but here is my
thoughts on this.  As we all know, Window-Eyes has been denied its
opertunity in mainstreme blind related computer programs, meaning that in
the days of GWMicro, no agency would fund Window-Eyes even though it had a
price tag similar to JAWS.  As for NVDA, it's a great product as far as it
goes. However, there are business's and employment that I have come across
who don't like OpenSource. The reason is that they fear that OpenSource
solutions can affect their computers with virus's, spyware, etc. Thirdly, it
allows Window-Eyes to become embraced in schools, colleges, universities,
etc as for years it hasn't had a chance to become accepted in schools in the
US or in Canada. Also, there are also JAWS scripts that could easally be
modified to work with Window-Eyes. These include CakeTalking from Dancing
Dots, which I personally use in my recording studio to record music, as well
as the lime notation product to notate scores. All of these packages that I
use are essential for my work as a musician.

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Re: betrayal

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

That is what a monopoly is.
Freedom scientific, used to be three separate companies. Arkenstone, lazy 
engineering, and Henter  Joyce.


Serotek isn't so much famous for their screen reader, as much as they are 
famous for making all of their software work on multiple platforms.
They are also famous for the very many ways you could purchase their software. 
They are the only company, that do not have software maintenance agreements. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:42 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> Why wouldn't it be?  One company controlling all of the companies that 
> provide a certain thing, well, isn't that a monopoly?  Like good old Ma Bell? 
>  And no, I'm purposely not mentioning System Access or the other one, because 
> they are not the same thing.  Pam.
> 
> -Original Message- From: multi 85 via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:53 PM
> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: betrayal
> 
> Are you sure Darrell? Even though I'm not exactly happy about this, I
> wouldn't say it is a monopoly. We must just make sure that colleges,
> universities and governments know there are alternatives such as SA,
> Baum Cobra, Dolphin screenreader and NVDA. The problem will be if the
> company or screenreader becomes totally dominant in the open market
> and puts others out of business, but until then, is this really
> antitrust? Of course, I'm not in the US or know your laws, but they
> will argue there is enough competition as far as what I can see.
> Won't trade commission be waste of time for whatever objective you want?
> Maybe they must just merge and we see if there might be interesting
> new products, although I think large companies, if there is only one,
> innovation could become slower.
> We maybe all upset or worked up now, but when the dust settles, at
> least it isn't a giant with no alternative for those of us who want
> alternative.
> The only thing scaring me is, I hope Microsoft will then not just work
> with this company and will work with the other screenreaders and we
> don't end up with monopoly mega.
> 
>> On 6/14/16, Darrell Bowles via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>> Rest of shored, I will be contacting the Federal Trade Commission.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Paulette Vickery via Talk
>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It was a sad day when Hims stopped making the Voice Sense. Now if I want
>>> to
>>> replace mine, I will have to get a braille display, whether I want one or
>>> not.
>>> 
>>> About the swallowing whole of Aye Squared/GWMicro; it is so sad that I
>>> can
>>> barely think about it. I am beginning to think that no matter what we
>>> spout
>>> in public, blind people are slowed being screwed on many fronts. Have any
>>> of
>>> you guys tried to buy a stove lately? Finding one that is totally
>>> accessible
>>> is impossible. And now the competition between companies that say they
>>> want
>>> to sell to the blindness market and keep their needs in mind  has been
>>> compromised yet again. Being blind these days is becoming harder rather
>>> than
>>> easier, no matter how you slice it.
>>> 
>>> Paulette
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:11 PM
>>> To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>> 
>>> Who knows, Hims-inc might be next. RJ
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>>> Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.
>>>> 
>>>> Darrell Bowles
>>>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>>>> Pelissippi State Community College
>>>> 8656613917
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
>>>> To: net bat <net...@comcast.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>>> 
>>>> I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean,
>>>> Zoomtext
>

Re: betrayal

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Why wouldn't it be?  One company controlling all of the companies that 
provide a certain thing, well, isn't that a monopoly?  Like good old Ma 
Bell?  And no, I'm purposely not mentioning System Access or the other one, 
because they are not the same thing.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: multi 85 via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:53 PM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Are you sure Darrell? Even though I'm not exactly happy about this, I
wouldn't say it is a monopoly. We must just make sure that colleges,
universities and governments know there are alternatives such as SA,
Baum Cobra, Dolphin screenreader and NVDA. The problem will be if the
company or screenreader becomes totally dominant in the open market
and puts others out of business, but until then, is this really
antitrust? Of course, I'm not in the US or know your laws, but they
will argue there is enough competition as far as what I can see.
Won't trade commission be waste of time for whatever objective you want?
Maybe they must just merge and we see if there might be interesting
new products, although I think large companies, if there is only one,
innovation could become slower.
We maybe all upset or worked up now, but when the dust settles, at
least it isn't a giant with no alternative for those of us who want
alternative.
The only thing scaring me is, I hope Microsoft will then not just work
with this company and will work with the other screenreaders and we
don't end up with monopoly mega.

On 6/14/16, Darrell Bowles via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Rest of shored, I will be contacting the Federal Trade Commission.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Paulette Vickery via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

It was a sad day when Hims stopped making the Voice Sense. Now if I want
to
replace mine, I will have to get a braille display, whether I want one or
not.

About the swallowing whole of Aye Squared/GWMicro; it is so sad that I
can
barely think about it. I am beginning to think that no matter what we
spout
in public, blind people are slowed being screwed on many fronts. Have any
of
you guys tried to buy a stove lately? Finding one that is totally
accessible
is impossible. And now the competition between companies that say they
want
to sell to the blindness market and keep their needs in mind  has been
compromised yet again. Being blind these days is becoming harder rather
than
easier, no matter how you slice it.

Paulette
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:11 PM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Who knows, Hims-inc might be next. RJ



On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
To: net bat <net...@comcast.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: betrayal

I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean,
Zoomtext
and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only
one
magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin

and

System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.


On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
you already know what is going to happen.
virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
you will pay there price or do without.
it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.


-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
there, and

they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...


On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
It's worse than the Munich Agreement.


Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles

RE: betrayal

[Karyn Campbell via Talk]

And les choices is what willhappen.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E.
11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with
Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on boht
machines.






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RE: betrayal

[Karyn Campbell via Talk]

Darrell,

I would agree with you.  I know of someone who is DeafBlind who had problems
with Freedom Scientific so I have grave concerns with regard to that and
this community.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E.
11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with
Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on boht
machines.



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Re: betrayal

[net bat via Talk]

why do you think freedom is doing this?
when the free version of window eyes for office came out freedom lost a lot of 
its customers. there just takeing out revenge against aisquared.


-Original Message- 
From: Jim Noseworthy via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:51 AM
To: 'Sky Mundell' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: betrayal

On the otherhand:  they could simply iraticate Window-Eyes and Magic from
the market place and put all of their efforts in to JAWS and Zoomtext.
Whatever the case, you can bet it will be a business decision.

Cheers.



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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jim.noseworthy=compuconference@lists.window-eyes.co
m] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:15 PM
To: 'Darrell Bowles' <dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: betrayal

Hi Guys.  I know that some of you guys are upset about this but here is my
thoughts on this.  As we all know, Window-Eyes has been denied its
opertunity in mainstreme blind related computer programs, meaning that in
the days of GWMicro, no agency would fund Window-Eyes even though it had a
price tag similar to JAWS.  As for NVDA, it's a great product as far as it
goes. However, there are business's and employment that I have come across
who don't like OpenSource. The reason is that they fear that OpenSource
solutions can affect their computers with virus's, spyware, etc. Thirdly, it
allows Window-Eyes to become embraced in schools, colleges, universities,
etc as for years it hasn't had a chance to become accepted in schools in the
US or in Canada. Also, there are also JAWS scripts that could easally be
modified to work with Window-Eyes. These include CakeTalking from Dancing
Dots, which I personally use in my recording studio to record music, as well
as the lime notation product to notate scores. All of these packages that I
use are essential for my work as a musician.

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Re: betrayal

[Lynn White via Talk]

Unfortunately the Cakewalk program will not work in Windows 10 nor in 
any versions of Jaws after version 16.



On 6/14/2016 1:15 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hi Guys.  I know that some of you guys are upset about this but here is my
thoughts on this.  As we all know, Window-Eyes has been denied its
opertunity in mainstreme blind related computer programs, meaning that in
the days of GWMicro, no agency would fund Window-Eyes even though it had a
price tag similar to JAWS.  As for NVDA, it's a great product as far as it
goes. However, there are business's and employment that I have come across
who don't like OpenSource. The reason is that they fear that OpenSource
solutions can affect their computers with virus's, spyware, etc. Thirdly, it
allows Window-Eyes to become embraced in schools, colleges, universities,
etc as for years it hasn't had a chance to become accepted in schools in the
US or in Canada. Also, there are also JAWS scripts that could easally be
modified to work with Window-Eyes. These include CakeTalking from Dancing
Dots, which I personally use in my recording studio to record music, as well
as the lime notation product to notate scores. All of these packages that I
use are essential for my work as a musician.

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Re: betrayal

[Dave via Talk]

NVDA is not a Free Screen Reader.  You can use it for Free, but those
guys do appreciate a little feed back in the form of Cash for their
efforts and to show how much you like their work.   Without Cash, even
the NVDA screen Reader that you think is Free will go away too.  




-- 
Dave 

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RE: betrayal

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

And add that hideous copy protection system.   

The old GW Micro always behaved ethically in my opinion, and although I have 
always been forthright regarding some aspects of how customer sales and service 
is delivered to those of us outside the U.S., Window-eyes has always been a 
good performer in my life since 1998.

Change is always inevitable - but squashing of competitors who try to provide 
consumer choice, and who just have to also make a living seems destructive to 
me.


Vaughan.



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From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 4:56 a.m.
To: Chris Skarstad; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

you already know what is going to happen.
virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice. you will 
pay there price or do without.
it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies that are 
in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put them out of 
business. to aquire there buildings and land.


-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will make big 
deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared couldn't get things done 
on their own. I hope this won't ruin the quality of the products.  Remember, 
folks, free alternatives are out there, and

they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...

On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
>
>
> Darrell Bowles
> Assistive Technology Trainer
> Pelissippi State Community College
> 8656613917
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Dave via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
> To: Ray Campbell <ray153...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: betrayal
>
> Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?
>
> Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things these 
> days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of it.
>
> Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to 
> Jaws, without having to pay full price.
>
> I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I 
> Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting, 
> Interesting in a not so good way.
>
> I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech Support.
>
>
> Guess we will all see in time.
>
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
>
>
> --
> Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>
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Re: betrayal

[Dave via Talk]

Contacting the Federal Trade Commission?And you are doing this for
what reason?  

Geez!  Some of you make me laugh!  

involving the Government is rarely a good idea.  The reason for this is
because the Federal Government tends to make worse just about everything
it touches.  

So do you really want to get the Government involved?  

grumpy Dave


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RE: betrayal

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Yes: and I suggest that people go and check out AI Squared presentation from 
CSUN - url not readily available to me.   Lots of optimism, and plenty of talk 
about Fusion, and the rewriting of braille support.  Good things: now possibly 
trashed.

Against my better judgement, I renewed my SMA.  I believed that supporting 
Window-Eyes was still a good thing.  Sometimes we make wrong purchasing 
decisions.

There are glimpses of how Freedom Scientific will behave.  They recently merged 
with Optelec, but when I last looked less than a week ago, products off the 
Main FS site did not draw me to Alva braille displays - one of which I have.  
Why would FS promote Window-eyes alongside JAWS, when Window-Eyes's market 
share is so small?  And: FS filed an unsuccessful lawsuit against GW Micro.;

This is the inevitable concentration of all resources available to a small 
market place into the hands of a monopoly.

My perhaps forlorn hope is that maybe Humanware will launch a new screen 
reader, because for me at least, NVDA doesn't cut it.

Window-eyes will clealry still function on existing instalations, but we 
eventually replace our hardware and software, and things will just start to 
break.

I guess we are all speculating, and maybe some positive things are just around 
the corner, which for reasons of commercial sensitivity, cannot yet be 
disclosed.


Vaughan.

 

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 5:10 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

This whole thing is a lose lose situation for screen reader and screen 
magnification users. I need and use both.



On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Darrell Bowles via Talk < 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.
>
> Darrell Bowles
> Assistive Technology Trainer
> Pelissippi State Community College
> 8656613917
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles <javascript:;>= 
> msn@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of multi 85 
> via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
> To: net bat <net...@comcast.net <javascript:;>>; Window-Eyes 
> Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>
> Subject: Re: betrayal
>
> I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean, 
> Zoomtext and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less 
> because only one magnifier? We still have small companies competing, 
> brave NVDA, Dolphin and System Access. I wonder if any other hardware 
> will come out to challenge Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead 
> failure.
>
> On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com 
> <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> > you already know what is going to happen.
> > virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
> > when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
> > you will pay there price or do without.
> > it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
> > look at what many companies have done. they usually look for 
> > companies that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the 
> > dollar. then put them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
> > To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: betrayal
> >
> > Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow 
> > will make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared 
> > couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the 
> > quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out 
> > there, and
> >
> > they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...
> >
> > On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> >> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
> >>
> >>
> >> Darrell Bowles
> >> Assistive Technology Trainer
> >> Pelissippi State Community College
> >> 8656613917
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Talk
> >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles <javascript:;>=
> msn@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>]
> >> On
> >> Behalf Of Dave via Talk
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
> >> To: Ray Campbell <ray153...@gmail.com <javascript:;>>; Window-Eyes
> Discussion List
> >> <talk@lists.wi

Re: betrayal

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

Bye Bye Window-Eyes. Bye Bye Zoomtex


-Original Message- 
From: Ray Campbell via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:56 AM
To: Reeva Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Darrell:  I'm thinking many of those same thoughts on initially
reading about this.  Kind of looks on the surface like AT they were
broken up in the 80's because they were a monopoly, then have
gradually built themselves back into the huge company they were.
Looks on the surface, also, like typical business dealing, you can't
beat the competition, so you, in the case of Freedom/VFO, buy them out
to get rid of them.

Please, AI Squared staff, shed lite on why you're jumping in bed with
the enemy so to speak.

Ray Campbell
ray153...@gmail.com


On 6/14/16, Reeva Webb via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

What's going on? Ai2 got eaten by the shark?



On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Matthew Chao via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:


What company joined Freedom Scientific?--Matthew Chao.




On 6/14/2016 10:27 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:


Let me get this straight:

The company that is sued by freedom scientific, now joins  them? How are
we
supposed to be assured of  excellent customer service?

That is not exactly Freedom Scientific's strong point.


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RE: betrayal

[Jim Noseworthy via Talk]

On the otherhand:  they could simply iraticate Window-Eyes and Magic from
the market place and put all of their efforts in to JAWS and Zoomtext.
Whatever the case, you can bet it will be a business decision.

Cheers.



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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jim.noseworthy=compuconference@lists.window-eyes.co
m] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:15 PM
To: 'Darrell Bowles' <dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: betrayal

Hi Guys.  I know that some of you guys are upset about this but here is my
thoughts on this.  As we all know, Window-Eyes has been denied its
opertunity in mainstreme blind related computer programs, meaning that in
the days of GWMicro, no agency would fund Window-Eyes even though it had a
price tag similar to JAWS.  As for NVDA, it's a great product as far as it
goes. However, there are business's and employment that I have come across
who don't like OpenSource. The reason is that they fear that OpenSource
solutions can affect their computers with virus's, spyware, etc. Thirdly, it
allows Window-Eyes to become embraced in schools, colleges, universities,
etc as for years it hasn't had a chance to become accepted in schools in the
US or in Canada. Also, there are also JAWS scripts that could easally be
modified to work with Window-Eyes. These include CakeTalking from Dancing
Dots, which I personally use in my recording studio to record music, as well
as the lime notation product to notate scores. All of these packages that I
use are essential for my work as a musician.

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RE: betrayal

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hi Guys.  I know that some of you guys are upset about this but here is my
thoughts on this.  As we all know, Window-Eyes has been denied its
opertunity in mainstreme blind related computer programs, meaning that in
the days of GWMicro, no agency would fund Window-Eyes even though it had a
price tag similar to JAWS.  As for NVDA, it's a great product as far as it
goes. However, there are business's and employment that I have come across
who don't like OpenSource. The reason is that they fear that OpenSource
solutions can affect their computers with virus's, spyware, etc. Thirdly, it
allows Window-Eyes to become embraced in schools, colleges, universities,
etc as for years it hasn't had a chance to become accepted in schools in the
US or in Canada. Also, there are also JAWS scripts that could easally be
modified to work with Window-Eyes. These include CakeTalking from Dancing
Dots, which I personally use in my recording studio to record music, as well
as the lime notation product to notate scores. All of these packages that I
use are essential for my work as a musician.

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Re: betrayal

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

As long as there are other screen readers available, especially free 
ones, it's difficult to imagine one has a case.


On 6/14/2016 1:39 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Rest of shored, I will be contacting the Federal Trade Commission.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Paulette Vickery via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

It was a sad day when Hims stopped making the Voice Sense. Now if I want to
replace mine, I will have to get a braille display, whether I want one or
not.

About the swallowing whole of Aye Squared/GWMicro; it is so sad that I can
barely think about it. I am beginning to think that no matter what we spout
in public, blind people are slowed being screwed on many fronts. Have any of
you guys tried to buy a stove lately? Finding one that is totally accessible
is impossible. And now the competition between companies that say they want
to sell to the blindness market and keep their needs in mind  has been
compromised yet again. Being blind these days is becoming harder rather than
easier, no matter how you slice it.

Paulette
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:11 PM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Who knows, Hims-inc might be next. RJ



On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
To: net bat <net...@comcast.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: betrayal

I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean, Zoomtext
and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only one
magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin

and

System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.


On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
you already know what is going to happen.
virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
you will pay there price or do without.
it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.


-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
there, and

they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...


On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
It's worse than the Munich Agreement.


Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
To: Ray Campbell <ray153...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: betrayal

Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?

Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things
these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of
it.

Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to
Jaws, without having to pay full price.

I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting,
Interesting in a not so good way.

I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech
Support.


Guess we will all see in time.


Grumpy Dave



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Re: betrayal

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

You will not support NVDA, because you do not get a profit from it. Never mind 
if the product works or not.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:56 PM, Dennis Long via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> First you or noone else knows what will happen this might be good.  Second I
> won't ever support nvda.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:18 PM
> To: RJ Sandefur; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: betrayal
> 
> Yeah, NVDA will be all that stands between us and total domination and
> stagnation and lack of innovation for us. At least we have the whole rest of
> world's brainpower, so we all work together and it will be a totally
> universal screenreader if we help keep it going, because it will be the
> little mouse trying to avoid being squished by the FS elephant foot.
> 
>> On 6/14/16, multi 85 <multi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The lads on the NVDA list must be giddy with celebration. One less 
>> screenreader, they can channel the goodwill and skills of loads more 
>> free developers round the world.
>> 
>>> On 6/14/16, RJ Sandefur via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>> Who knows, Hims-inc might be next. RJ
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>>> Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.
>>>> 
>>>> Darrell Bowles
>>>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>>>> Pelissippi State Community College
>>>> 8656613917
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-----
>>>> From: Talk 
>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
>>>> To: net bat <net...@comcast.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>>> 
>>>> I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean, 
>>>> Zoomtext and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less 
>>>> because only one magnifier? We still have small companies competing, 
>>>> brave NVDA, Dolphin and System Access. I wonder if any other 
>>>> hardware will come out to challenge Hims and Humanware, since Pac 
>>>> Mate was dead failure.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>>>> you already know what is going to happen.
>>>>> virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
>>>>> when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
>>>>> you will pay there price or do without.
>>>>> it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
>>>>> look at what many companies have done. they usually look for 
>>>>> companies that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the 
>>>>> dollar. then put them out of business. to aquire there buildings and
> land.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
>>>>> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow 
>>>>> will make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI 
>>>>> Squared couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't 
>>>>> ruin the quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free 
>>>>> alternatives are out there, and
>>>>> 
>>>>> they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>>>>> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Darrell Bowles
>>>>>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>>>>>> Pelissippi State Community College
>>>>>> 8656613917
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>&g

RE: betrayal

[Dennis Long via Talk]

First you or noone else knows what will happen this might be good.  Second I
won't ever support nvda.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:18 PM
To: RJ Sandefur; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Yeah, NVDA will be all that stands between us and total domination and
stagnation and lack of innovation for us. At least we have the whole rest of
world's brainpower, so we all work together and it will be a totally
universal screenreader if we help keep it going, because it will be the
little mouse trying to avoid being squished by the FS elephant foot.

On 6/14/16, multi 85 <multi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The lads on the NVDA list must be giddy with celebration. One less 
> screenreader, they can channel the goodwill and skills of loads more 
> free developers round the world.
>
> On 6/14/16, RJ Sandefur via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>> Who knows, Hims-inc might be next. RJ
>>
>>
>> On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>> Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.
>>>
>>> Darrell Bowles
>>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>>> Pelissippi State Community College
>>> 8656613917
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk 
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
>>> To: net bat <net...@comcast.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>>
>>> I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean, 
>>> Zoomtext and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less 
>>> because only one magnifier? We still have small companies competing, 
>>> brave NVDA, Dolphin and System Access. I wonder if any other 
>>> hardware will come out to challenge Hims and Humanware, since Pac 
>>> Mate was dead failure.
>>>
>>> On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>>> you already know what is going to happen.
>>>> virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
>>>> when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
>>>> you will pay there price or do without.
>>>> it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
>>>> look at what many companies have done. they usually look for 
>>>> companies that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the 
>>>> dollar. then put them out of business. to aquire there buildings and
land.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
>>>> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>>>
>>>> Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow 
>>>> will make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI 
>>>> Squared couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't 
>>>> ruin the quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free 
>>>> alternatives are out there, and
>>>>
>>>> they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...
>>>>
>>>> On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>>>> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Darrell Bowles
>>>>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>>>>> Pelissippi State Community College
>>>>> 8656613917
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Talk
>>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Dave via Talk
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
>>>>> To: Ray Campbell <ray153...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion 
>>>>> List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>>>>
>>>>> Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things 
>>>>> these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack 
>>>

Re: betrayal

[Edward Green via Talk]

FS also prevented manufacturers from supporting JAWS with their older displays, 
effectively rendering perfectly serviceable displays obsolete for JAWS users, 
even though they still worked with other screen readers' latest versions.  
Presumably this was designed to encourage people non too gently down the Focus 
route.

We don't need to wait to see how this plays out to know that lower prices and 
more innovation are seldom achieved through reduced competition, particularly 
in such a small and overpriced market.

At least Microsoft appear finally to be taking Narrator development seriously, 
and other platforms are becoming increasingly viable.

Cheers,

Ed
> On 14 Jun 2016, at 18:20, multi 85 via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Any of you also remember the 64-bit braille display driver controversy
> as well, where FS forced braille companies to pay to secure their
> drivers? GW stood against that, now what? Maybe braille companies will
> get in the act again like Papenmeier did with early Windows if FS try
> impose other things onto braille companies.
> 
> On 6/14/16, Tom Kingston via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>> Darrell,
>> 
>> With all due respect, what is sitting there all day bombarding this list
>> with rants going to accomplish? Go out into the woods, scream, and
>> uproot a redwood to burn off your fury. There's nothing we can do about
>> this decision. It's a done deal. And speculating is a waste of time
>> because only time will tell.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Tom
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>> Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.
>>> 
>>> Darrell Bowles
>>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>>> Pelissippi State Community College
>>> 8656613917
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
>>> To: net bat <net...@comcast.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>> 
>>> I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean,
>>> Zoomtext
>>> and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only
>>> one
>>> magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin
>>> and
>>> System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
>>> Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.
>>> 
>>> On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>>> you already know what is going to happen.
>>>> virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
>>>> when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
>>>> you will pay there price or do without.
>>>> it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
>>>> look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
>>>> that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
>>>> them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
>>>> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>>> 
>>>> Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
>>>> make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
>>>> couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
>>>> quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
>>>> there, and
>>>> 
>>>> they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>>>> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Darrell Bowles
>>>>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>>>>> Pelissippi State Community College
>>>>> 8656613917
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Talk
>>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>>>> On
&

Re: betrayal

[multi 85 via Talk]

Are you sure Darrell? Even though I'm not exactly happy about this, I
wouldn't say it is a monopoly. We must just make sure that colleges,
universities and governments know there are alternatives such as SA,
Baum Cobra, Dolphin screenreader and NVDA. The problem will be if the
company or screenreader becomes totally dominant in the open market
and puts others out of business, but until then, is this really
antitrust? Of course, I'm not in the US or know your laws, but they
will argue there is enough competition as far as what I can see.
Won't trade commission be waste of time for whatever objective you want?
Maybe they must just merge and we see if there might be interesting
new products, although I think large companies, if there is only one,
innovation could become slower.
We maybe all upset or worked up now, but when the dust settles, at
least it isn't a giant with no alternative for those of us who want
alternative.
The only thing scaring me is, I hope Microsoft will then not just work
with this company and will work with the other screenreaders and we
don't end up with monopoly mega.

On 6/14/16, Darrell Bowles via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> Rest of shored, I will be contacting the Federal Trade Commission.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Paulette Vickery via Talk
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>
>> It was a sad day when Hims stopped making the Voice Sense. Now if I want
>> to
>> replace mine, I will have to get a braille display, whether I want one or
>> not.
>>
>> About the swallowing whole of Aye Squared/GWMicro; it is so sad that I
>> can
>> barely think about it. I am beginning to think that no matter what we
>> spout
>> in public, blind people are slowed being screwed on many fronts. Have any
>> of
>> you guys tried to buy a stove lately? Finding one that is totally
>> accessible
>> is impossible. And now the competition between companies that say they
>> want
>> to sell to the blindness market and keep their needs in mind  has been
>> compromised yet again. Being blind these days is becoming harder rather
>> than
>> easier, no matter how you slice it.
>>
>> Paulette
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:11 PM
>> To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>
>> Who knows, Hims-inc might be next. RJ
>>
>>
>>> On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>> Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.
>>>
>>> Darrell Bowles
>>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>>> Pelissippi State Community College
>>> 8656613917
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
>>> To: net bat <net...@comcast.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>>
>>> I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean,
>>> Zoomtext
>>> and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only
>>> one
>>> magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin
>> and
>>> System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
>>> Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.
>>>
>>>> On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>>> you already know what is going to happen.
>>>> virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
>>>> when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
>>>> you will pay there price or do without.
>>>> it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
>>>> look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
>>>> that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
>>>> them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
>>>> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>>>
>>>> Well now, remember guys this is assisti

Re: betrayal

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

I think Tom's got it 100% correct.  Sure, people are pissed about this 
and I can respect that. But sending hundreds of emails isn't going to 
change anything.


It's not as if the parties involved are gonna go well gosh, so and so on 
the email lists think this is a really bad idea. Lets


 not do this.  These guys gotta make money and keep the lights on and 
food on the table. Obviously these guys have to join forces or nothing's 
gonna get done.





On 6/14/2016 1:15 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Darrell,

With all due respect, what is sitting there all day bombarding this 
list with rants going to accomplish? Go out into the woods, scream, 
and uproot a redwood to burn off your fury. There's nothing we can do 
about this decision. It's a done deal. And speculating is a waste of 
time because only time will tell.


Regards,
Tom


On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On

Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
To: net bat <net...@comcast.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: betrayal

I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean, 
Zoomtext
and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because 
only one
magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, 
Dolphin and

System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.

On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

you already know what is going to happen.
virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
you will pay there price or do without.
it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.


-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
there, and

they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...

On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

It's worse than the Munich Agreement.


Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
To: Ray Campbell <ray153...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: betrayal

Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?

Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things
these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of
it.

Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to
Jaws, without having to pay full price.

I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting,
Interesting in a not so good way.

I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech
Support.


Guess we will all see in time.


Grumpy Dave



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Re: betrayal

[Lynn White via Talk]

I actually like Jaws.  You are finding more and more third party support 
for Jaws.



I have been a Window-Eyes user since the days of Windows 95. When 
Freedom Scientific began the HUP with my former employer, I bought a 
Jaws license and now I use both.



With free or low-cost screen readers, the writing for two screen readers 
was on the wall.  We'll see what happens.




On 6/14/2016 10:58 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will 
make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared 
couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the 
quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out 
there, and


they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...

On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

It's worse than the Munich Agreement.


Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On

Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
To: Ray Campbell <ray153...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: betrayal

Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?

Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things 
these days,

it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of it.

Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to Jaws,
without having to pay full price.

I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting, 
Interesting

in a not so good way.

I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech 
Support.



Guess we will all see in time.


Grumpy Dave



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Re: betrayal

[multi 85 via Talk]

Any of you also remember the 64-bit braille display driver controversy
as well, where FS forced braille companies to pay to secure their
drivers? GW stood against that, now what? Maybe braille companies will
get in the act again like Papenmeier did with early Windows if FS try
impose other things onto braille companies.

On 6/14/16, Tom Kingston via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> Darrell,
>
> With all due respect, what is sitting there all day bombarding this list
> with rants going to accomplish? Go out into the woods, scream, and
> uproot a redwood to burn off your fury. There's nothing we can do about
> this decision. It's a done deal. And speculating is a waste of time
> because only time will tell.
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.
>>
>> Darrell Bowles
>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>> Pelissippi State Community College
>> 8656613917
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On
>> Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
>> To: net bat <net...@comcast.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>
>> I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean,
>> Zoomtext
>> and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only
>> one
>> magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin
>> and
>> System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
>> Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.
>>
>> On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>> you already know what is going to happen.
>>> virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
>>> when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
>>> you will pay there price or do without.
>>> it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
>>> look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
>>> that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
>>> them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
>>> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>>
>>> Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
>>> make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
>>> couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
>>> quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
>>> there, and
>>>
>>> they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...
>>>
>>> On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>>> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Darrell Bowles
>>>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>>>> Pelissippi State Community College
>>>> 8656613917
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk
>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Dave via Talk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
>>>> To: Ray Campbell <ray153...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>>>
>>>> Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?
>>>>
>>>> Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things
>>>> these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to
>>>> Jaws, without having to pay full price.
>>>>
>>>> I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
>>>> Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting,
>>>> Interesting in a not so good way.
>>>>
>>>> I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech
>>>> Support.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Guess we will all see in time.
>&g

Re: betrayal

[multi 85 via Talk]

Yeah, NVDA will be all that stands between us and total domination and
stagnation and lack of innovation for us. At least we have the whole
rest of world's brainpower, so we all work together and it will be a
totally universal screenreader if we help keep it going, because it
will be the little mouse trying to avoid being squished by the FS
elephant foot.

On 6/14/16, multi 85 <multi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The lads on the NVDA list must be giddy with celebration. One less
> screenreader, they can channel the goodwill and skills of loads more
> free developers round the world.
>
> On 6/14/16, RJ Sandefur via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>> Who knows, Hims-inc might be next. RJ
>>
>>
>> On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>> Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.
>>>
>>> Darrell Bowles
>>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>>> Pelissippi State Community College
>>> 8656613917
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
>>> To: net bat <net...@comcast.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>>
>>> I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean,
>>> Zoomtext
>>> and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only
>>> one
>>> magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin
>>> and
>>> System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
>>> Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.
>>>
>>> On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>>> you already know what is going to happen.
>>>> virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
>>>> when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
>>>> you will pay there price or do without.
>>>> it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
>>>> look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
>>>> that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
>>>> them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
>>>> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>>>
>>>> Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
>>>> make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
>>>> couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
>>>> quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
>>>> there, and
>>>>
>>>> they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...
>>>>
>>>> On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>>>> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Darrell Bowles
>>>>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>>>>> Pelissippi State Community College
>>>>> 8656613917
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Talk
>>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Dave via Talk
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
>>>>> To: Ray Campbell <ray153...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>>>>
>>>>> Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things
>>>>> these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to
>>>>> Jaws, without having to pay full price.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
>>>>> Squared has been absorbed, t

Re: betrayal

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Darrell,

With all due respect, what is sitting there all day bombarding this list 
with rants going to accomplish? Go out into the woods, scream, and 
uproot a redwood to burn off your fury. There's nothing we can do about 
this decision. It's a done deal. And speculating is a waste of time 
because only time will tell.


Regards,
Tom


On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
To: net bat <net...@comcast.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: betrayal

I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean, Zoomtext
and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only one
magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin and
System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.

On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

you already know what is going to happen.
virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
you will pay there price or do without.
it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.


-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
there, and

they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...

On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

It's worse than the Munich Agreement.


Darrell Bowles
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Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




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On
Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
To: Ray Campbell <ray153...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Subject: Re: betrayal

Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?

Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things
these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of
it.

Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to
Jaws, without having to pay full price.

I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting,
Interesting in a not so good way.

I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech
Support.


Guess we will all see in time.


Grumpy Dave



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Re: betrayal

[multi 85 via Talk]

The lads on the NVDA list must be giddy with celebration. One less
screenreader, they can channel the goodwill and skills of loads more
free developers round the world.

On 6/14/16, RJ Sandefur via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> Who knows, Hims-inc might be next. RJ
>
>
> On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.
>>
>> Darrell Bowles
>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>> Pelissippi State Community College
>> 8656613917
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On
>> Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
>> To: net bat <net...@comcast.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>
>> I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean,
>> Zoomtext
>> and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only
>> one
>> magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin
>> and
>> System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
>> Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.
>>
>> On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>> you already know what is going to happen.
>>> virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
>>> when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
>>> you will pay there price or do without.
>>> it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
>>> look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
>>> that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
>>> them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
>>> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>>
>>> Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
>>> make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
>>> couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
>>> quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
>>> there, and
>>>
>>> they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...
>>>
>>> On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>>> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Darrell Bowles
>>>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>>>> Pelissippi State Community College
>>>> 8656613917
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk
>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Dave via Talk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
>>>> To: Ray Campbell <ray153...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>>>
>>>> Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?
>>>>
>>>> Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things
>>>> these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to
>>>> Jaws, without having to pay full price.
>>>>
>>>> I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
>>>> Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting,
>>>> Interesting in a not so good way.
>>>>
>>>> I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech
>>>> Support.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Guess we will all see in time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Grumpy Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>
>>>>
>>>> ___
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>>>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>>>
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Re: betrayal

[Mike Rogers via Talk]

I'm seeing a large donartion to N.V.D.a. in my future.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com
www.woodeneyemusic.com


On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 13:11:10 -0400
RJ Sandefur via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Who knows, Hims-inc might be next. RJ
> 
> 
> On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> > Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.
> >
> > Darrell Bowles
> > Assistive Technology Trainer
> > Pelissippi State Community College
> > 8656613917
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> > Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
> > To: net bat <net...@comcast.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> > Subject: Re: betrayal
> >
> > I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean, Zoomtext
> > and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only one
> > magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin and
> > System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
> > Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.
> >
> > On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> >> you already know what is going to happen.
> >> virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
> >> when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
> >> you will pay there price or do without.
> >> it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
> >> look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
> >> that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
> >> them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
> >> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> >> Subject: Re: betrayal
> >>
> >> Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
> >> make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
> >> couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
> >> quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
> >> there, and
> >>
> >> they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...
> >>
> >> On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> >>> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Darrell Bowles
> >>> Assistive Technology Trainer
> >>> Pelissippi State Community College
> >>> 8656613917
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Talk
> >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
> >>> On
> >>> Behalf Of Dave via Talk
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
> >>> To: Ray Campbell <ray153...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> >>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: betrayal
> >>>
> >>> Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?
> >>>
> >>> Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things
> >>> these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of
> >>> it.
> >>>
> >>> Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to
> >>> Jaws, without having to pay full price.
> >>>
> >>> I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
> >>> Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting,
> >>> Interesting in a not so good way.
> >>>
> >>> I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech
> >>> Support.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Guess we will all see in time.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Grumpy Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>
> >>>
> >>> ___
> >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
> >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Sq

Re: betrayal

[RJ Sandefur via Talk]

Who knows, Hims-inc might be next. RJ


On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
To: net bat <net...@comcast.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: betrayal

I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean, Zoomtext
and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only one
magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin and
System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.

On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

you already know what is going to happen.
virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
you will pay there price or do without.
it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.


-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
there, and

they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...

On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

It's worse than the Munich Agreement.


Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
To: Ray Campbell <ray153...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: betrayal

Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?

Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things
these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of
it.

Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to
Jaws, without having to pay full price.

I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting,
Interesting in a not so good way.

I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech
Support.


Guess we will all see in time.


Grumpy Dave



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Re: betrayal

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

This whole thing is a lose lose situation for screen reader and screen
magnification users. I need and use both.



On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Darrell Bowles via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.
>
> Darrell Bowles
> Assistive Technology Trainer
> Pelissippi State Community College
> 8656613917
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles <javascript:;>=
> msn@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>] On
> Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
> To: net bat <net...@comcast.net <javascript:;>>; Window-Eyes Discussion
> List
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>
> Subject: Re: betrayal
>
> I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean, Zoomtext
> and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only one
> magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin and
> System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
> Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.
>
> On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> > you already know what is going to happen.
> > virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
> > when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
> > you will pay there price or do without.
> > it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
> > look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
> > that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
> > them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
> > To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: betrayal
> >
> > Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
> > make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
> > couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
> > quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
> > there, and
> >
> > they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...
> >
> > On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> >> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
> >>
> >>
> >> Darrell Bowles
> >> Assistive Technology Trainer
> >> Pelissippi State Community College
> >> 8656613917
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Talk
> >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles <javascript:;>=
> msn@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>]
> >> On
> >> Behalf Of Dave via Talk
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
> >> To: Ray Campbell <ray153...@gmail.com <javascript:;>>; Window-Eyes
> Discussion List
> >> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>
> >> Subject: Re: betrayal
> >>
> >> Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?
> >>
> >> Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things
> >> these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of
> >> it.
> >>
> >> Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to
> >> Jaws, without having to pay full price.
> >>
> >> I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
> >> Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting,
> >> Interesting in a not so good way.
> >>
> >> I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech
> >> Support.
> >>
> >>
> >> Guess we will all see in time.
> >>
> >>
> >> Grumpy Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net <javascript:;>>
> >>
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RE: betrayal

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
To: net bat <net...@comcast.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: betrayal

I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean, Zoomtext
and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only one
magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin and
System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.

On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> you already know what is going to happen.
> virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
> when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice. 
> you will pay there price or do without.
> it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
> look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies 
> that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put 
> them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: betrayal
>
> Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will 
> make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared 
> couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the 
> quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out 
> there, and
>
> they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...
>
> On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
>>
>>
>> Darrell Bowles
>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>> Pelissippi State Community College
>> 8656613917
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Dave via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
>> To: Ray Campbell <ray153...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>
>> Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?
>>
>> Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things 
>> these days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of 
>> it.
>>
>> Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to 
>> Jaws, without having to pay full price.
>>
>> I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I 
>> Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting, 
>> Interesting in a not so good way.
>>
>> I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech 
>> Support.
>>
>>
>> Guess we will all see in time.
>>
>>
>> Grumpy Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>
>>
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Re: betrayal

[multi 85 via Talk]

I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean,
Zoomtext and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less
because only one magnifier? We still have small companies competing,
brave NVDA, Dolphin and System Access. I wonder if any other hardware
will come out to challenge Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead
failure.

On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> you already know what is going to happen.
> virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
> when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice. you
> will
> pay there price or do without.
> it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
> look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies that
> are
> in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put them out of
> business. to aquire there buildings and land.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: betrayal
>
> Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
> make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared couldn't
> get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the quality of the
> products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out there, and
>
> they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...
>
> On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
>>
>>
>> Darrell Bowles
>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>> Pelissippi State Community College
>> 8656613917
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Dave via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
>> To: Ray Campbell <ray153...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>
>> Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?
>>
>> Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things these
>> days,
>> it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of it.
>>
>> Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to Jaws,
>> without having to pay full price.
>>
>> I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
>> Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting,
>> Interesting
>> in a not so good way.
>>
>> I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech
>> Support.
>>
>>
>> Guess we will all see in time.
>>
>>
>> Grumpy Dave
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RE: betrayal

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Exactly, that's exactly what I am saying.  We as consumers must make things
change, and agreeing with a CEo of a company that he has just given up isn't
going to change anything.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:56 PM
To: Chris Skarstad <rascal0...@verizon.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Subject: Re: betrayal

you already know what is going to happen.
virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice. you
will pay there price or do without.
it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies that
are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put them out of
business. to aquire there buildings and land.


-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will make
big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared couldn't get
things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the quality of the
products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out there, and

they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...

On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> It's worse than the Munich Agreement.
>
>
> Darrell Bowles
> Assistive Technology Trainer
> Pelissippi State Community College
> 8656613917
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Dave via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
> To: Ray Campbell <ray153...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: betrayal
>
> Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?
>
> Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things these 
> days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of it.
>
> Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to 
> Jaws, without having to pay full price.
>
> I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I 
> Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting, 
> Interesting in a not so good way.
>
> I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech
Support.
>
>
> Guess we will all see in time.
>
>
> Grumpy Dave
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Re: betrayal

[net bat via Talk]

you already know what is going to happen.
virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice. you will 
pay there price or do without.

it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies that are 
in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put them out of 
business. to aquire there buildings and land.



-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared couldn't
get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the quality of the
products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out there, and

they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...

On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

It's worse than the Munich Agreement.


Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




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Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
To: Ray Campbell <ray153...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: betrayal

Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?

Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things these days,
it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of it.

Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to Jaws,
without having to pay full price.

I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting, Interesting
in a not so good way.

I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech Support.


Guess we will all see in time.


Grumpy Dave



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RE: betrayal

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Because if JAWS sucks, and continues to suck, which it will, what are we
left with?
You guy just are not getting it.


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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:59 AM
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Subject: Re: betrayal

Why have two Screen Readers?  

guess you could ask that of those few companies that make Soap, or Breakfast
Cereals.  

ever walk down the isle and see the shelves filled with so many varieties of
soap and Cereal, it is hard to find just plain old Corn Flakes.  


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Re: betrayal

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will 
make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared couldn't 
get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the quality of the 
products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out there, and


they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...

On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

It's worse than the Munich Agreement.


Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
To: Ray Campbell <ray153...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Subject: Re: betrayal

Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?

Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things these days,
it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of it.

Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to Jaws,
without having to pay full price.

I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting, Interesting
in a not so good way.

I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech Support.


Guess we will all see in time.


Grumpy Dave



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Re: betrayal

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

Absolutely agree.  More blindness tax, and huge.--Matthew Chao




On 6/14/2016 10:57 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

In bed with the enemy,
They slep with the enemy, and drank of her cup, and because of that, we as
the customer will suffer for it.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Ray Campbell via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:56 AM
To: Reeva Webb <jadedangelpromi...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Subject: Re: betrayal

Darrell:  I'm thinking many of those same thoughts on initially reading
about this.  Kind of looks on the surface like AT they were broken up in
the 80's because they were a monopoly, then have gradually built themselves
back into the huge company they were.
Looks on the surface, also, like typical business dealing, you can't beat
the competition, so you, in the case of Freedom/VFO, buy them out to get rid
of them.

Please, AI Squared staff, shed lite on why you're jumping in bed with the
enemy so to speak.

Ray Campbell
ray153...@gmail.com


On 6/14/16, Reeva Webb via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

What's going on? Ai2 got eaten by the shark?



On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Matthew Chao via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:


What company joined Freedom Scientific?--Matthew Chao.




On 6/14/2016 10:27 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:


Let me get this straight:

The company that is sued by freedom scientific, now joins  them? How
are we supposed to be assured of  excellent customer service?

That is not exactly Freedom Scientific's strong point.


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RE: betrayal

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

It's worse than the Munich Agreement.


Darrell Bowles
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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:47 AM
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Subject: Re: betrayal

Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?  

Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things these days,
it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of it.  

Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to Jaws,
without having to pay full price.  

I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting, Interesting
in a not so good way.  

I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech Support.


Guess we will all see in time.


Grumpy Dave



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Re: betrayal

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Why are they jumping in Bed with the enemy?  

Well, they may not be jumping in bed  But as with so many things these
days, it may have something to do with money.  usually lack of it.  

Wonder if Window Eyes owners will be given a chance to upgrade to Jaws,
without having to pay full price.  

I was sorry to see GW Micro get bought by A I Squared, and now if A I
Squared has been absorbed, this might become very interesting,
Interesting in a not so good way.  

I have never been impressed with the quality of JAWS or their Tech
Support.  

Guess we will all see in time.


Grumpy Dave



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RE: betrayal

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Yeah, a screen reader that has to announce that a new feature  is that it
doesn't support XP?
What a joke.


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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:10 AM
To: Reeva Webb <jadedangelpromi...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Subject: Re: betrayal

Well, it is a legitimate question. Why would you keep two separate screen
readers going. Seems like a waste of resources to work on both. Would be
more efficient to just have one and devote the resources that the other one
would take up to something else.
Evan

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From: Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:58 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Excuse my french. You gotta be fucking kidding me!!!  This is unacceptable!!
Kiss we and zt goodbye everyone. The shark will soon turn them to shit.



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talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Exactly, read this
> http://www.aisquared.com/news/ai-squared-joins-vfo/
>
> Darrell Bowles
> Assistive Technology Trainer
> Pelissippi State Community College
> 8656613917
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles <javascript:;>= 
> msn@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb 
> via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:51 AM
> To: mattc...@verizon.net <javascript:;>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>
> Subject: Re: betrayal
>
> What's going on? Ai2 got eaten by the shark?
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Matthew Chao via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > What company joined Freedom Scientific?--Matthew Chao.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/14/2016 10:27 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> >
> >> Let me get this straight:
> >>
> >> The company that is sued by freedom scientific, now joins  them? 
> >> How are we supposed to be assured of  excellent customer service?
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Re: betrayal

[Evan Reese via Talk]

Well, it is a legitimate question. Why would you keep two separate screen 
readers going. Seems like a waste of resources to work on both. Would be 
more efficient to just have one and devote the resources that the other one 
would take up to something else.

Evan

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:58 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Excuse my french. You gotta be fucking kidding me!!!  This is
unacceptable!! Kiss we and zt goodbye everyone. The shark will soon turn
them to shit.



On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Darrell Bowles via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Exactly, read this
http://www.aisquared.com/news/ai-squared-joins-vfo/

Darrell Bowles
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Subject: Re: betrayal

What's going on? Ai2 got eaten by the shark?



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wrote:

> What company joined Freedom Scientific?--Matthew Chao.
>
>
>
>
> On 6/14/2016 10:27 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>
>> Let me get this straight:
>>
>> The company that is sued by freedom scientific, now joins  them? How
>> are we supposed to be assured of  excellent customer service?
>>
>> That is not exactly Freedom Scientific's strong point.
>>
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Re: betrayal

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Excuse my french. You gotta be fucking kidding me!!!  This is
unacceptable!! Kiss we and zt goodbye everyone. The shark will soon turn
them to shit.



On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Darrell Bowles via Talk <
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> Exactly, read this
> http://www.aisquared.com/news/ai-squared-joins-vfo/
>
> Darrell Bowles
> Assistive Technology Trainer
> Pelissippi State Community College
> 8656613917
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles <javascript:;>=
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> Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
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> To: mattc...@verizon.net <javascript:;>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>
> Subject: Re: betrayal
>
> What's going on? Ai2 got eaten by the shark?
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Matthew Chao via Talk
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > What company joined Freedom Scientific?--Matthew Chao.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/14/2016 10:27 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> >
> >> Let me get this straight:
> >>
> >> The company that is sued by freedom scientific, now joins  them? How
> >> are we supposed to be assured of  excellent customer service?
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RE: betrayal

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Exactly, read this
http://www.aisquared.com/news/ai-squared-joins-vfo/

Darrell Bowles
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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:51 AM
To: mattc...@verizon.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Subject: Re: betrayal

What's going on? Ai2 got eaten by the shark?



On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Matthew Chao via Talk
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wrote:

> What company joined Freedom Scientific?--Matthew Chao.
>
>
>
>
> On 6/14/2016 10:27 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>
>> Let me get this straight:
>>
>> The company that is sued by freedom scientific, now joins  them? How 
>> are we supposed to be assured of  excellent customer service?
>>
>> That is not exactly Freedom Scientific's strong point.
>>
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RE: betrayal

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

In bed with the enemy,
They slep with the enemy, and drank of her cup, and because of that, we as
the customer will suffer for it.

Darrell Bowles
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Ray Campbell via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:56 AM
To: Reeva Webb <jadedangelpromi...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: betrayal

Darrell:  I'm thinking many of those same thoughts on initially reading
about this.  Kind of looks on the surface like AT they were broken up in
the 80's because they were a monopoly, then have gradually built themselves
back into the huge company they were.
Looks on the surface, also, like typical business dealing, you can't beat
the competition, so you, in the case of Freedom/VFO, buy them out to get rid
of them.

Please, AI Squared staff, shed lite on why you're jumping in bed with the
enemy so to speak.

Ray Campbell
ray153...@gmail.com


On 6/14/16, Reeva Webb via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> What's going on? Ai2 got eaten by the shark?
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Matthew Chao via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> wrote:
>
>> What company joined Freedom Scientific?--Matthew Chao.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/14/2016 10:27 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>
>>> Let me get this straight:
>>>
>>> The company that is sued by freedom scientific, now joins  them? How 
>>> are we supposed to be assured of  excellent customer service?
>>>
>>> That is not exactly Freedom Scientific's strong point.
>>>
>>>
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Re: betrayal

[Ray Campbell via Talk]

Darrell:  I'm thinking many of those same thoughts on initially
reading about this.  Kind of looks on the surface like AT they were
broken up in the 80's because they were a monopoly, then have
gradually built themselves back into the huge company they were.
Looks on the surface, also, like typical business dealing, you can't
beat the competition, so you, in the case of Freedom/VFO, buy them out
to get rid of them.

Please, AI Squared staff, shed lite on why you're jumping in bed with
the enemy so to speak.

Ray Campbell
ray153...@gmail.com


On 6/14/16, Reeva Webb via Talk  wrote:
> What's going on? Ai2 got eaten by the shark?
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Matthew Chao via Talk
> 
> wrote:
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>> What company joined Freedom Scientific?--Matthew Chao.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/14/2016 10:27 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>
>>> Let me get this straight:
>>>
>>> The company that is sued by freedom scientific, now joins  them? How are
>>> we
>>> supposed to be assured of  excellent customer service?
>>>
>>> That is not exactly Freedom Scientific's strong point.
>>>
>>>
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Re: betrayal

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

What's going on? Ai2 got eaten by the shark?



On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Matthew Chao via Talk 
wrote:

> What company joined Freedom Scientific?--Matthew Chao.
>
>
>
>
> On 6/14/2016 10:27 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>
>> Let me get this straight:
>>
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>> we
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>>
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Re: betrayal

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

What company joined Freedom Scientific?--Matthew Chao.




On 6/14/2016 10:27 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Let me get this straight:

The company that is sued by freedom scientific, now joins  them? How are we
supposed to be assured of  excellent customer service?

That is not exactly Freedom Scientific's strong point.

  


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