RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
I agree completely. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Diana Kube via Talk Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 4:12 AM To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes What actual evidence exists for this rampant conjecture. I continue to get updates for both apps and WE. I also get reply's to support requests. What I see happening here, in the absence of any actual proof, is some people who either have too little to do or have established a deliberate campaign to undermine WE. I am happy to look at any actual evidence, if anyone can provide this, but until then I will continue to use WE and not get myself worked up about what may or may not happen in the future. So if there are press releases, communications from the company, or termination of service notices, please post them on the list so that we can make decisions about what to do next. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jim via Talk Sent: Sunday, 2 April 2017 2:21 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than just one left. Jim On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: > Personally, I won't buy jaws. If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v > d a. I've donated to them before and will do so again. How many of > us out there have unfulfilled s m a's? The longer they delay, the > longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something. > Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers? Only one > still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied. I've > still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine. I > think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did > over the years and their great customer support. I've had a few > dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their > customer support was terrible. I forget what the thing was called, > but was a note taker with gps and all that. A friend gave me his old > one as the v a bought him a new one. He had let the batteries run > clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles. I couldn't get any > help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original > purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even > work for the v a any more. I finally threw a couple grand worth of > stuff in the dumpster. As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for > you and me." No jaws for me at any price. > > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote: > >> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been >> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO >> about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being >> silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change >> where it will no longer work. >> - Original Message - >> From: Rod Hutton via Talk >> To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM >> Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> >> Hi Vaughan, >> >> I believe it is a matter of semantics. >> The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant >> in my life on a daily basis. >> For me, this is not true, since I use it every day. >> Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and >> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our >> livelihood and are continuing to use it. >> In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome >> and annoying. >> This is just my feeling. >> >> Respectfully, >> >> Rod >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk >> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM >> To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> >> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the >> point: it is no longer a practical option for many people. >> >> >> The evidence does not support on-going development. >> >> Evidence includes: bugs not fixed >> Loss of personnel who interacted with t
RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
What actual evidence exists for this rampant conjecture. I continue to get updates for both apps and WE. I also get reply's to support requests. What I see happening here, in the absence of any actual proof, is some people who either have too little to do or have established a deliberate campaign to undermine WE. I am happy to look at any actual evidence, if anyone can provide this, but until then I will continue to use WE and not get myself worked up about what may or may not happen in the future. So if there are press releases, communications from the company, or termination of service notices, please post them on the list so that we can make decisions about what to do next. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jim via Talk Sent: Sunday, 2 April 2017 2:21 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than just one left. Jim On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: > Personally, I won't buy jaws. If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v > d a. I've donated to them before and will do so again. How many of > us out there have unfulfilled s m a's? The longer they delay, the > longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something. > Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers? Only one > still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied. I've > still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine. I > think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did > over the years and their great customer support. I've had a few > dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their > customer support was terrible. I forget what the thing was called, > but was a note taker with gps and all that. A friend gave me his old > one as the v a bought him a new one. He had let the batteries run > clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles. I couldn't get any > help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original > purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even > work for the v a any more. I finally threw a couple grand worth of > stuff in the dumpster. As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for > you and me." No jaws for me at any price. > > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote: > >> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been >> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO >> about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being >> silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change >> where it will no longer work. >> ----- Original Message - >> From: Rod Hutton via Talk >> To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM >> Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> >> Hi Vaughan, >> >> I believe it is a matter of semantics. >> The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant >> in my life on a daily basis. >> For me, this is not true, since I use it every day. >> Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and >> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our >> livelihood and are continuing to use it. >> In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome >> and annoying. >> This is just my feeling. >> >> Respectfully, >> >> Rod >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk >> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM >> To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> >> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the >> point: it is no longer a practical option for many people. >> >> >> The evidence does not support on-going development. >> >> Evidence includes: bugs not fixed >> Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and >> through other channels. >> The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices. >> >> No news on the VFO site. >> The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface. >> This list is not monitored by VF
RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
Can you post the sorce link so we can go look at the page ourselves please? Thanks, Sky. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 10:26 AM To: bjn...@windstream.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes I saw on a Microsoft page where they listed the Screen Readers ready for the Win 10 Creator it did list Window Eyes 9.5.4 as being one that is ready. At least Microsoft is more considerate than VFO to let us know something. - Original Message - From: Brenda via Talk To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 1:15 PM Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Here are a few thoughts... The comment about window-eyes not being a going concern related back to it not being a going concern of VFO not us users. So far, it does appear that VFO isn't doing much with W-e, and those of us on the list are concerned. The listers who do not like this conversation can use their delete button. The conversation about the future of Window-eyes has been very helpful to me as it gives me the opportunity to interract with others to process events of late. I have been able to deal with the situation and make decisions on my future because of this thread and interraction with listers on and off list. I have been depressed and stressed about the status of Window-eyes, and these posts help me not to feel alone. Window-eyes was my first screen reader. It was with me down the dark tunnel of totally relying on a screen reader and not visual info. Facing the reality alone would have been difficult. I am very grateful for all listers input and comments which have helped me develop a plan and positive outlook. Here are some sayings/phrases that have come to mind as I read this thread about the future of Window-eyes 1. Don't bite off your nose to spite your face. 2. Wake up and smell the coffee 3. the grass is sometimes greener on the other side (when the grass on your side is dry and brown) Take care, Brenda On 4/1/2017 12:21 PM, Jim via Talk wrote: > Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than > just one left. > > Jim > > > On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: >> Personally, I won't buy jaws. If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n >> v d a. I've donated to them before and will do so again. How many >> of us out there have unfulfilled s m a's? The longer they delay, the >> longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something. >> Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers? Only >> one still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied. >> I've still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just >> fine. I think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work >> they did over the years and their great customer support. I've had a >> few dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been >> their customer support was terrible. I forget what the thing was >> called, but was a note taker with gps and all that. A friend gave me >> his old one as the v a bought him a new one. He had let the >> batteries run clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles. I >> couldn't get any help from freedom to get up and running again unless >> the original purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" >> didn't even work for the v a any more. I finally threw a couple >> grand worth of stuff in the dumpster. As the old 4 preps song went, >> "more money for you and me." No jaws for me at any price. >> >> 73 >> Butch >> WA0VJR >> Node 3148 >> Wallace, ks. >> >> >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote: >> >>> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been >>> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from >>> VFO about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by >>> being silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't >>> change where it will no longer work. >>> - Original Message - >>> From: Rod Hutton via Talk >>> To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM >>> Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >>> >>> >>> Hi Vaughan, >>> >>> I believe
Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
If Arron Smith is still there he doesn't answer his Email. On 4/1/2017 11:52 AM, Loy via Talk wrote: I think that I read that Aaron Smith is there. - Original Message - From: Jim via Talk To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 12:21 PM Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than just one left. Jim On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: > Personally, I won't buy jaws. If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v > d a. I've donated to them before and will do so again. How many of > us out there have unfulfilled s m a's? The longer they delay, the > longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something. > Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers? Only one > still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied. I've > still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine. I > think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did > over the years and their great customer support. I've had a few > dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their > customer support was terrible. I forget what the thing was called, > but was a note taker with gps and all that. A friend gave me his old > one as the v a bought him a new one. He had let the batteries run > clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles. I couldn't get any > help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original > purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even > work for the v a any more. I finally threw a couple grand worth of > stuff in the dumpster. As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for > you and me." No jaws for me at any price. > > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote: > >> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been >> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO >> about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being >> silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change >> where it will no longer work. >> ----- Original Message - >> From: Rod Hutton via Talk >> To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM >> Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> >> Hi Vaughan, >> >> I believe it is a matter of semantics. >> The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant >> in my life on a daily basis. >> For me, this is not true, since I use it every day. >> Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and >> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our >> livelihood and are continuing to use it. >> In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome >> and annoying. >> This is just my feeling. >> >> Respectfully, >> >> Rod >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk >> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM >> To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> >> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the >> point: it is no longer a practical option for many people. >> >> >> The evidence does not support on-going development. >> >> Evidence includes: bugs not fixed >> Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and >> through other channels. >> The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices. >> >> No news on the VFO site. >> The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface. >> This list is not monitored by VFO. It VFO was paying attentiont it, >> some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged. >> >> >> So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes. All we are >> saying is that it is no longer a going concern. >> >> Vaughan. >> >> >> >> On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: >> > I agree I am of the same thought process until a
Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
I saw on a Microsoft page where they listed the Screen Readers ready for the Win 10 Creator it did list Window Eyes 9.5.4 as being one that is ready. At least Microsoft is more considerate than VFO to let us know something. - Original Message - From: Brenda via Talk To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 1:15 PM Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Here are a few thoughts... The comment about window-eyes not being a going concern related back to it not being a going concern of VFO not us users. So far, it does appear that VFO isn't doing much with W-e, and those of us on the list are concerned. The listers who do not like this conversation can use their delete button. The conversation about the future of Window-eyes has been very helpful to me as it gives me the opportunity to interract with others to process events of late. I have been able to deal with the situation and make decisions on my future because of this thread and interraction with listers on and off list. I have been depressed and stressed about the status of Window-eyes, and these posts help me not to feel alone. Window-eyes was my first screen reader. It was with me down the dark tunnel of totally relying on a screen reader and not visual info. Facing the reality alone would have been difficult. I am very grateful for all listers input and comments which have helped me develop a plan and positive outlook. Here are some sayings/phrases that have come to mind as I read this thread about the future of Window-eyes 1. Don't bite off your nose to spite your face. 2. Wake up and smell the coffee 3. the grass is sometimes greener on the other side (when the grass on your side is dry and brown) Take care, Brenda On 4/1/2017 12:21 PM, Jim via Talk wrote: > Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than > just one left. > > Jim > > > On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: >> Personally, I won't buy jaws. If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n >> v d a. I've donated to them before and will do so again. How many >> of us out there have unfulfilled s m a's? The longer they delay, the >> longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something. >> Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers? Only >> one still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied. >> I've still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just >> fine. I think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work >> they did over the years and their great customer support. I've had a >> few dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been >> their customer support was terrible. I forget what the thing was >> called, but was a note taker with gps and all that. A friend gave me >> his old one as the v a bought him a new one. He had let the >> batteries run clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles. I >> couldn't get any help from freedom to get up and running again unless >> the original purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" >> didn't even work for the v a any more. I finally threw a couple >> grand worth of stuff in the dumpster. As the old 4 preps song went, >> "more money for you and me." No jaws for me at any price. >> >> 73 >> Butch >> WA0VJR >> Node 3148 >> Wallace, ks. >> >> >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote: >> >>> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been >>> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from >>> VFO about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by >>> being silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't >>> change where it will no longer work. >>> - Original Message - >>> From: Rod Hutton via Talk >>> To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM >>> Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >>> >>> >>> Hi Vaughan, >>> >>> I believe it is a matter of semantics. >>> The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant >>> in my life on a daily basis. >>> For me, this is not true, since I use it every day. >>> Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and >>> many others on this this
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yep, I found him on linkedin. His job title is something like enterprise compliance. On 4/1/2017 12:52 PM, Loy via Talk wrote: I think that I read that Aaron Smith is there. - Original Message - From: Jim via Talk To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 12:21 PM Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than just one left. Jim On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: > Personally, I won't buy jaws. If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v > d a. I've donated to them before and will do so again. How many of > us out there have unfulfilled s m a's? The longer they delay, the > longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something. > Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers? Only one > still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied. I've > still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine. I > think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did > over the years and their great customer support. I've had a few > dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their > customer support was terrible. I forget what the thing was called, > but was a note taker with gps and all that. A friend gave me his old > one as the v a bought him a new one. He had let the batteries run > clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles. I couldn't get any > help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original > purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even > work for the v a any more. I finally threw a couple grand worth of > stuff in the dumpster. As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for > you and me." No jaws for me at any price. > > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote: > >> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been >> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO >> about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being >> silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change >> where it will no longer work. >> ----- Original Message - >> From: Rod Hutton via Talk >> To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM >> Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> >> Hi Vaughan, >> >> I believe it is a matter of semantics. >> The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant >> in my life on a daily basis. >> For me, this is not true, since I use it every day. >> Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and >> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our >> livelihood and are continuing to use it. >> In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome >> and annoying. >> This is just my feeling. >> >> Respectfully, >> >> Rod >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk >> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM >> To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> >> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the >> point: it is no longer a practical option for many people. >> >> >> The evidence does not support on-going development. >> >> Evidence includes: bugs not fixed >> Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and >> through other channels. >> The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices. >> >> No news on the VFO site. >> The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface. >> This list is not monitored by VFO. It VFO was paying attentiont it, >> some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged. >> >> >> So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes. All we are >> saying is that it is no longer a going concern. >> >> Vaughan. >> >> >
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Here are a few thoughts... The comment about window-eyes not being a going concern related back to it not being a going concern of VFO not us users. So far, it does appear that VFO isn't doing much with W-e, and those of us on the list are concerned. The listers who do not like this conversation can use their delete button. The conversation about the future of Window-eyes has been very helpful to me as it gives me the opportunity to interract with others to process events of late. I have been able to deal with the situation and make decisions on my future because of this thread and interraction with listers on and off list. I have been depressed and stressed about the status of Window-eyes, and these posts help me not to feel alone. Window-eyes was my first screen reader. It was with me down the dark tunnel of totally relying on a screen reader and not visual info. Facing the reality alone would have been difficult. I am very grateful for all listers input and comments which have helped me develop a plan and positive outlook. Here are some sayings/phrases that have come to mind as I read this thread about the future of Window-eyes 1. Don't bite off your nose to spite your face. 2. Wake up and smell the coffee 3. the grass is sometimes greener on the other side (when the grass on your side is dry and brown) Take care, Brenda On 4/1/2017 12:21 PM, Jim via Talk wrote: Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than just one left. Jim On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: Personally, I won't buy jaws. If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v d a. I've donated to them before and will do so again. How many of us out there have unfulfilled s m a's? The longer they delay, the longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something. Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers? Only one still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied. I've still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine. I think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did over the years and their great customer support. I've had a few dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their customer support was terrible. I forget what the thing was called, but was a note taker with gps and all that. A friend gave me his old one as the v a bought him a new one. He had let the batteries run clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles. I couldn't get any help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even work for the v a any more. I finally threw a couple grand worth of stuff in the dumpster. As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for you and me." No jaws for me at any price. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote: I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change where it will no longer work. - Original Message - From: Rod Hutton via Talk To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Hi Vaughan, I believe it is a matter of semantics. The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant in my life on a daily basis. For me, this is not true, since I use it every day. Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our livelihood and are continuing to use it. In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome and annoying. This is just my feeling. Respectfully, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the point: it is no longer a practical option for many people. The evidence does not support on-going development. Evidence includes: bugs not fixed Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and through other channels. The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices. No news on the VFO site. The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface. This list is not monitored by VFO. It VFO was paying attentiont it, some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.
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I think that I read that Aaron Smith is there. - Original Message - From: Jim via Talk To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 12:21 PM Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than just one left. Jim On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: > Personally, I won't buy jaws. If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v > d a. I've donated to them before and will do so again. How many of > us out there have unfulfilled s m a's? The longer they delay, the > longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something. > Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers? Only one > still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied. I've > still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine. I > think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did > over the years and their great customer support. I've had a few > dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their > customer support was terrible. I forget what the thing was called, > but was a note taker with gps and all that. A friend gave me his old > one as the v a bought him a new one. He had let the batteries run > clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles. I couldn't get any > help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original > purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even > work for the v a any more. I finally threw a couple grand worth of > stuff in the dumpster. As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for > you and me." No jaws for me at any price. > > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote: > >> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been >> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO >> about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being >> silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change >> where it will no longer work. >> - Original Message - >> From: Rod Hutton via Talk >> To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM >> Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> >> Hi Vaughan, >> >> I believe it is a matter of semantics. >> The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant >> in my life on a daily basis. >> For me, this is not true, since I use it every day. >> Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and >> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our >> livelihood and are continuing to use it. >> In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome >> and annoying. >> This is just my feeling. >> >> Respectfully, >> >> Rod >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk >> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM >> To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> >> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the >> point: it is no longer a practical option for many people. >> >> >> The evidence does not support on-going development. >> >> Evidence includes: bugs not fixed >> Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and >> through other channels. >> The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices. >> >> No news on the VFO site. >> The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface. >> This list is not monitored by VFO. It VFO was paying attentiont it, >> some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged. >> >> >> So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes. All we are >> saying is that it is no longer a going concern. >> >> Vaughan. >> >> >> >> On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: >> > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement >> from someone >> > at VFO says ther
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Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than just one left. Jim On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: Personally, I won't buy jaws. If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v d a. I've donated to them before and will do so again. How many of us out there have unfulfilled s m a's? The longer they delay, the longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something. Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers? Only one still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied. I've still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine. I think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did over the years and their great customer support. I've had a few dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their customer support was terrible. I forget what the thing was called, but was a note taker with gps and all that. A friend gave me his old one as the v a bought him a new one. He had let the batteries run clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles. I couldn't get any help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even work for the v a any more. I finally threw a couple grand worth of stuff in the dumpster. As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for you and me." No jaws for me at any price. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote: I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change where it will no longer work. - Original Message - From: Rod Hutton via Talk To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Hi Vaughan, I believe it is a matter of semantics. The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant in my life on a daily basis. For me, this is not true, since I use it every day. Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our livelihood and are continuing to use it. In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome and annoying. This is just my feeling. Respectfully, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the point: it is no longer a practical option for many people. The evidence does not support on-going development. Evidence includes: bugs not fixed Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and through other channels. The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices. No news on the VFO site. The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface. This list is not monitored by VFO. It VFO was paying attentiont it, some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged. So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes. All we are saying is that it is no longer a going concern. Vaughan. On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement from someone > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to think it's > a option. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Jim via Talk > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM > To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes > > Hi there! > > Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away? > I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until I > do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am getting > rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over and over. I > do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I just want > to see where all this so called information is actually coming from..? Have > A Great Day! de > > . > > > On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote: >> If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to >> sell you. It is called the Golden Gate
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Personally, I won't buy jaws. If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v d a. I've donated to them before and will do so again. How many of us out there have unfulfilled s m a's? The longer they delay, the longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something. Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers? Only one still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied. I've still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine. I think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did over the years and their great customer support. I've had a few dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their customer support was terrible. I forget what the thing was called, but was a note taker with gps and all that. A friend gave me his old one as the v a bought him a new one. He had let the batteries run clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles. I couldn't get any help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even work for the v a any more. I finally threw a couple grand worth of stuff in the dumpster. As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for you and me." No jaws for me at any price. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote: I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change where it will no longer work. - Original Message - From: Rod Hutton via Talk To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Hi Vaughan, I believe it is a matter of semantics. The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant in my life on a daily basis. For me, this is not true, since I use it every day. Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our livelihood and are continuing to use it. In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome and annoying. This is just my feeling. Respectfully, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the point: it is no longer a practical option for many people. The evidence does not support on-going development. Evidence includes: bugs not fixed Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and through other channels. The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices. No news on the VFO site. The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface. This list is not monitored by VFO. It VFO was paying attentiont it, some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged. So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes. All we are saying is that it is no longer a going concern. Vaughan. On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement from someone > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to think it's > a option. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Jim via Talk > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM > To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes > > Hi there! > > Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away? > I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until I > do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am getting > rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over and over. I > do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I just want > to see where all this so called information is actually coming from..? Have > A Great Day! de > > . > > > On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote: >> If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to >> sell you. It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap. >> >> On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: >>> We don't know WE is going away. >>> >>
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Oh yeah!, you think they aren't being honest with us? I submit that they are certainly being quite honest, in a somewhat peculiar fashion. I think that their honest intent is to continue to ignore us, and therefore humiliate us. You know that the greatest form of humiliation is to be ignored, don't you? The only product I ever bought from these people was Openbook, and that was due to the fact that I had bought OB long before HJ bought it way back when, but I'll be damned if I will ever consider buying another product from this bunch of cutthroats ever again. Nuff said! Larry On 4/1/2017 9:26 AM, Loy via Talk wrote: I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change where it will no longer work. - Original Message - From: Rod Hutton via Talk To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Hi Vaughan, I believe it is a matter of semantics. The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant in my life on a daily basis. For me, this is not true, since I use it every day. Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our livelihood and are continuing to use it. In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome and annoying. This is just my feeling. Respectfully, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the point: it is no longer a practical option for many people. The evidence does not support on-going development. Evidence includes: bugs not fixed Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and through other channels. The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices. No news on the VFO site. The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface. This list is not monitored by VFO. It VFO was paying attentiont it, some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged. So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes. All we are saying is that it is no longer a going concern. Vaughan. On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement from someone > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to think it's > a option. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Jim via Talk > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM > To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes > > Hi there! > > Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away? > I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until I > do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am getting > rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over and over. I > do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I just want > to see where all this so called information is actually coming from..? Have > A Great Day! de > > . > > > On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote: >> If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to >> sell you. It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap. >> >> On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: >>> We don't know WE is going away. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >>> On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk >>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM >>> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >>> >>> Hi Sky and List >>> >>> >>> I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes. >>> >>> >>> I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and >>> push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws. >>
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I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change where it will no longer work. - Original Message - From: Rod Hutton via Talk To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Hi Vaughan, I believe it is a matter of semantics. The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant in my life on a daily basis. For me, this is not true, since I use it every day. Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our livelihood and are continuing to use it. In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome and annoying. This is just my feeling. Respectfully, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the point: it is no longer a practical option for many people. The evidence does not support on-going development. Evidence includes: bugs not fixed Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and through other channels. The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices. No news on the VFO site. The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface. This list is not monitored by VFO. It VFO was paying attentiont it, some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged. So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes. All we are saying is that it is no longer a going concern. Vaughan. On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement from someone > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to think it's > a option. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Jim via Talk > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM > To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes > > Hi there! > > Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away? > I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until I > do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am getting > rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over and over. I > do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I just want > to see where all this so called information is actually coming from..? Have > A Great Day! de > > . > > > On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote: >> If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to >> sell you. It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap. >> >> On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: >>> We don't know WE is going away. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] >>> On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk >>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM >>> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >>> >>> Hi Sky and List >>> >>> >>> I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes. >>> >>> >>> I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and >>> push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws. >>> The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs >>> would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be >>> put toward the cost of jaws. Everyone should be given the convention >>> price for jaws. >>> >>> >>> Just a thought, >>> >>> Brenda >>> >>> >>> On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: >>>> Hello Kevin and Vaughn. Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind >>>> organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance, Window-Eyes would
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Hi Vaughan, I believe it is a matter of semantics. The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant in my life on a daily basis. For me, this is not true, since I use it every day. Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our livelihood and are continuing to use it. In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome and annoying. This is just my feeling. Respectfully, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the point: it is no longer a practical option for many people. The evidence does not support on-going development. Evidence includes: bugs not fixed Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and through other channels. The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices. No news on the VFO site. The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface. This list is not monitored by VFO. It VFO was paying attentiont it, some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged. So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes. All we are saying is that it is no longer a going concern. Vaughan. On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement from someone > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to think it's > a option. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Jim via Talk > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM > To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes > > Hi there! > > Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away? > I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until I > do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am getting > rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over and over. I > do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I just want > to see where all this so called information is actually coming from..? Have > A Great Day! de > > . > > > On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote: >> If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to >> sell you. It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap. >> >> On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: >>> We don't know WE is going away. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] >>> On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk >>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM >>> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >>> >>> Hi Sky and List >>> >>> >>> I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes. >>> >>> >>> I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and >>> push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws. >>> The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs >>> would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be >>> put toward the cost of jaws. Everyone should be given the convention >>> price for jaws. >>> >>> >>> Just a thought, >>> >>> Brenda >>> >>> >>> On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: >>>> Hello Kevin and Vaughn. Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind >>>> organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance, Window-Eyes would not >>>> have gotten extinct and this would not have happened. Below, I'm >>>> going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is >>>> on this list, and I support him 100 percent! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Email 1: >>>> >>>> Hi Sky, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you >>>> said, had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on >>>> favoured window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be >>>> almost extinct at this moment
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I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the point: it is no longer a practical option for many people. The evidence does not support on-going development. Evidence includes: bugs not fixed Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and through other channels. The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices. No news on the VFO site. The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface. This list is not monitored by VFO. It VFO was paying attentiont it, some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged. So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes. All we are saying is that it is no longer a going concern. Vaughan. On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement from someone at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to think it's a option. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jim via Talk Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Hi there! Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away? I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until I do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am getting rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over and over. I do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I just want to see where all this so called information is actually coming from..? Have A Great Day! de . On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote: If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to sell you. It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap. On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: We don't know WE is going away. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Hi Sky and List I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes. I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws. The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be put toward the cost of jaws. Everyone should be given the convention price for jaws. Just a thought, Brenda On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: Hello Kevin and Vaughn. Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance, Window-Eyes would not have gotten extinct and this would not have happened. Below, I'm going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is on this list, and I support him 100 percent! Email 1: Hi Sky, Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you said, had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on favoured window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be almost extinct at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These people are somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The entire system has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other screen reader has become second rate because of the power wielded withing the blind community. It's alright us saying this but actually proving it is another matter. If it could be proved and despite all the negativity, it could. Then what could happen? Telling the world about how a ruthless power hungry organisation set out to control the world of the blind with a screen reader? If people would back us up and not just say that is what happened without saying I can prove it. To be able to prove it would be the icing on the cake. It would show the rotten, evil people at jaws who abused their power and in a way forced vendors to favour jaws above other screen readers. If enough people were prepared to come out and back us up we would have enough to at least make those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility. I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true would be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a Mergers and nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth. Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining. They have some power but it is only token gesture. There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He will be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media cdompanies. He owns the majority of the world's media and his control is beyond an
RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement from someone at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to think it's a option. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jim via Talk Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Hi there! Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away? I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until I do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am getting rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over and over. I do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I just want to see where all this so called information is actually coming from..? Have A Great Day! de . On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote: > If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to > sell you. It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap. > > On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: >> We don't know WE is going away. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk >> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM >> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> Hi Sky and List >> >> >> I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes. >> >> >> I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and >> push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws. >> The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs >> would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be >> put toward the cost of jaws. Everyone should be given the convention >> price for jaws. >> >> >> Just a thought, >> >> Brenda >> >> >> On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: >>> Hello Kevin and Vaughn. Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind >>> organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance, Window-Eyes would not >>> have gotten extinct and this would not have happened. Below, I'm >>> going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is >>> on this list, and I support him 100 percent! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Email 1: >>> >>> Hi Sky, >>> >>> >>> >>> Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you >>> said, had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on >>> favoured window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be >>> almost extinct at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These >>> people are somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The >>> entire system has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other >>> screen reader has become second rate because of the power wielded >>> withing the blind community. It's alright us saying this but >>> actually proving it is another matter. If it could be proved and >>> despite all the negativity, it could. Then what could happen? >>> Telling the world about how a ruthless power hungry organisation set >>> out to control the world of the blind with a screen reader? If >>> people would back us up and not just say that is what happened >>> without saying I can prove it. To be able to prove it would be the >>> icing on the cake. It would show the rotten, evil people at jaws who >>> abused their power and in a way forced vendors to favour jaws above >>> other screen readers. If enough people were prepared to come out and >>> back us up we would have enough to at least make >> those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility. >>> >>> >>> >>> I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true >>> would be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a >>> Mergers and nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth. >>> Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major >>> money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining. >>> They have some power but it is only token gesture. >>> >>> >>> >>> There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He >>> will be allowed to buy it despite cr
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Hi there! Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away? I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until I do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am getting rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over and over. I do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I just want to see where all this so called information is actually coming from..? Have A Great Day! de . On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote: If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to sell you. It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap. On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: We don't know WE is going away. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Hi Sky and List I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes. I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws. The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be put toward the cost of jaws. Everyone should be given the convention price for jaws. Just a thought, Brenda On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: Hello Kevin and Vaughn. Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance, Window-Eyes would not have gotten extinct and this would not have happened. Below, I'm going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is on this list, and I support him 100 percent! Email 1: Hi Sky, Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you said, had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on favoured window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be almost extinct at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These people are somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The entire system has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other screen reader has become second rate because of the power wielded withing the blind community. It's alright us saying this but actually proving it is another matter. If it could be proved and despite all the negativity, it could. Then what could happen? Telling the world about how a ruthless power hungry organisation set out to control the world of the blind with a screen reader? If people would back us up and not just say that is what happened without saying I can prove it. To be able to prove it would be the icing on the cake. It would show the rotten, evil people at jaws who abused their power and in a way forced vendors to favour jaws above other screen readers. If enough people were prepared to come out and back us up we would have enough to at least make those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility. I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true would be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a Mergers and nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth. Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining. They have some power but it is only token gesture. There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He will be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media cdompanies. He owns the majority of the world's media and his control is beyond anything that the world has seen before. There isn't much he doesn't own and his political power is immeanse. That is the exact same as jaws, the rnib, cnib and other organisations for the blind. If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm what we are saying. That would be at least a start. We could get up a petition expressing our opinion of the bullying from these so called institutions for the blind. bringing them to account. It may not do very much but at least it would rock the boat for a short time and always be part of the history of blind peoples lives in a corrupt and overbearing system. Email 2: From: bj colt [mailto:bjc...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:34 AM To: Sky Mundell Subject: Re: window eyes proposal Hi Sky, I listened to the podcast from scun. I am not only disgusted but really pissed off at VFO and with the presenters at the tech podcast. ~Why aren't they kicking up hell? Probably because they are jaws users. I got that impression just by their attitude. Zoom text and fusion was an AI squared and window-eyes conception. Not a VFO idea. I did say that's why they bought out ai squared and it seems I was right.
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I too was hoping Window-Eyes would become a part of Microsoft. I'm wondering if the powers that be at Microsoft were not ready to deal with accessibility or maybe they thought they could do it themselves and didn't need GW Micro. Whatever the case, things are as they are. Whether it is because of my visual impairment or not, I don't like change and suspect others have issues with change. Nonetheless, change we must. Brenda On 3/31/2017 4:22 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote: Pam: I was amongst those who believed that possibility - for whatever reason it hasn't happened. On 4/1/2017 3:22 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote: When they did the free office offer, I thought that was what was in the process of happening: Microsoft purchasing window eyes to incorporate into windows, or, at least, making some kind of a deal with them. Pam. -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 9:40 PM To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes I have said it before I don't know why Microsoft didn't just purchase Window Eyes and incorporate it into windows. GW had to have been in serious finical trouble for letting AISquared purchase them when in fact AIsquared must have been in trouble themselves for VFO having the ability to purchase them. I just have to think that Doug has to be feeling really bad for how Window Eyes is going from the best screen reader to the non existing one. On 3/30/2017 8:18 PM, Dave via Talk wrote: I'm usually able to grasp why Companies do what they do, but I've never understood, from a Fiscal point of view, why GW Micro chose to give a Free copy of Window Eyes to any Registered MS Office user. Perhaps they had a deal with Microsoft to receive a "Royalty" of some kind for every person who took them up on the offer? If this were true, GW Micro must have been suffering some rough financial times, because for every person taking advantage of the offer, would drain the number of possible full paying customers.Maybe they were taking a Gamble and thought because Window Eyes would be Free for MS Office owners, just maybe some Government agencies would start steering clients towards Window Eyes, instead of paying $1100 for JAWS? I don't know. Never been able to make sense of it. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vdodd001%40vodafone.co.nz. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bjnite%40windstream.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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Pam: I was amongst those who believed that possibility - for whatever reason it hasn't happened. On 4/1/2017 3:22 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote: When they did the free office offer, I thought that was what was in the process of happening: Microsoft purchasing window eyes to incorporate into windows, or, at least, making some kind of a deal with them. Pam. -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 9:40 PM To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes I have said it before I don't know why Microsoft didn't just purchase Window Eyes and incorporate it into windows. GW had to have been in serious finical trouble for letting AISquared purchase them when in fact AIsquared must have been in trouble themselves for VFO having the ability to purchase them. I just have to think that Doug has to be feeling really bad for how Window Eyes is going from the best screen reader to the non existing one. On 3/30/2017 8:18 PM, Dave via Talk wrote: I'm usually able to grasp why Companies do what they do, but I've never understood, from a Fiscal point of view, why GW Micro chose to give a Free copy of Window Eyes to any Registered MS Office user. Perhaps they had a deal with Microsoft to receive a "Royalty" of some kind for every person who took them up on the offer? If this were true, GW Micro must have been suffering some rough financial times, because for every person taking advantage of the offer, would drain the number of possible full paying customers.Maybe they were taking a Gamble and thought because Window Eyes would be Free for MS Office owners, just maybe some Government agencies would start steering clients towards Window Eyes, instead of paying $1100 for JAWS? I don't know. Never been able to make sense of it. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vdodd001%40vodafone.co.nz. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
I think the stability matter is definitely a consideration. My perspective is that we have to thank Microsoft and Windows for some of this. Also: JAWS has become so large, with lots of coplexities, that it sometyimes seems to me that things have been bolted on to it. At work, after a few days of continuous use, it is slightly better than Window-Eyes; here at home it is a great deal better. Different processors, general pc configurations etc. Hard to compare apples with oranges across multiple installations. Best. Vaughan. On 3/31/2017 11:52 PM, Steve Nutt via Talk wrote: Hi Vaughan, To a point, I agree with you. However, I have been deliberately using JAWS 18 this week as opposed to Window-Eyes, and it is far less stable. So while it would be difficult to continue using Window-Eyes, should it not get updated, JAWS is really quite an unstable mess with some programs. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: 30 March 2017 21:03 To: 'bjn...@windstream.net' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Agree with the below. How many people took up my suggestion, shared with the list, of drawing your concerns to the Chief Executive, or someone appropriately senior who can make decisions of the type which Brenda has suggested. I've personally gone past being sentimental about Window-eyes. It is not a work In progress anymore from my standpoint, and in free countries - people can choose to stand on principle or be pragmatic and make best use of the tools available. Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk Sent: Friday, 31 March 2017 6:26 a.m. To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Hi Sky and List I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes. I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws. The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be put toward the cost of jaws. Everyone should be given the convention price for jaws. Just a thought, Brenda On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: Hello Kevin and Vaughn. Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance, Window-Eyes would not have gotten extinct and this would not have happened. Below, I'm going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is on this list, and I support him 100 percent! Email 1: Hi Sky, Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you said, had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on favoured window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be almost extinct at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These people are somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The entire system has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other screen reader has become second rate because of the power wielded withing the blind community. It's alright us saying this but actually proving it is another matter. If it could be proved and despite all the negativity, it could. Then what could happen? Telling the world about how a ruthless power hungry organisation set out to control the world of the blind with a screen reader? If people would back us up and not just say that is what happened without saying I can prove it. To be able to prove it would be the icing on the cake. It would show the rotten, evil people at jaws who abused their power and in a way forced vendors to favour jaws above other screen readers. If enough people were prepared to come out and back us up we would have enough to at least make those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility. I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true would be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a Mergers and nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth. Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining. They have some power but it is only token gesture. There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He will be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media cdompanies. He owns the majority of the world's media and his control is beyond anything that the world has seen before. There isn't much he doesn't own and his political power is immeanse. That is the exact same as jaws, the rnib, cnib and other organisations for the blind. If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm what
Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to sell you. It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap. On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: We don't know WE is going away. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Hi Sky and List I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes. I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws. The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be put toward the cost of jaws. Everyone should be given the convention price for jaws. Just a thought, Brenda On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: Hello Kevin and Vaughn. Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance, Window-Eyes would not have gotten extinct and this would not have happened. Below, I'm going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is on this list, and I support him 100 percent! Email 1: Hi Sky, Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you said, had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on favoured window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be almost extinct at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These people are somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The entire system has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other screen reader has become second rate because of the power wielded withing the blind community. It's alright us saying this but actually proving it is another matter. If it could be proved and despite all the negativity, it could. Then what could happen? Telling the world about how a ruthless power hungry organisation set out to control the world of the blind with a screen reader? If people would back us up and not just say that is what happened without saying I can prove it. To be able to prove it would be the icing on the cake. It would show the rotten, evil people at jaws who abused their power and in a way forced vendors to favour jaws above other screen readers. If enough people were prepared to come out and back us up we would have enough to at least make those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility. I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true would be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a Mergers and nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth. Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining. They have some power but it is only token gesture. There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He will be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media cdompanies. He owns the majority of the world's media and his control is beyond anything that the world has seen before. There isn't much he doesn't own and his political power is immeanse. That is the exact same as jaws, the rnib, cnib and other organisations for the blind. If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm what we are saying. That would be at least a start. We could get up a petition expressing our opinion of the bullying from these so called institutions for the blind. bringing them to account. It may not do very much but at least it would rock the boat for a short time and always be part of the history of blind peoples lives in a corrupt and overbearing system. Email 2: From: bj colt [mailto:bjc...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:34 AM To: Sky Mundell Subject: Re: window eyes proposal Hi Sky, I listened to the podcast from scun. I am not only disgusted but really pissed off at VFO and with the presenters at the tech podcast. ~Why aren't they kicking up hell? Probably because they are jaws users. I got that impression just by their attitude. Zoom text and fusion was an AI squared and window-eyes conception. Not a VFO idea. I did say that's why they bought out ai squared and it seems I was right. They are going to unceremoniously dump window-eyes. No new updadtes, no upgrades, nothing, no development. The list really has to do something at this stage. We really have to get together and make sure VFO are aware of our feelings. Everyone who has paid for sma's are now entitled to a full refund, no questions asked. No development means no upgrades, no upgrades equals no need for sma's. No sma's means they are stealing our money under false pretences. This time things have gone too far. Something has to be done,
Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
When they did the free office offer, I thought that was what was in the process of happening: Microsoft purchasing window eyes to incorporate into windows, or, at least, making some kind of a deal with them. Pam. -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 9:40 PM To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes I have said it before I don't know why Microsoft didn't just purchase Window Eyes and incorporate it into windows. GW had to have been in serious finical trouble for letting AISquared purchase them when in fact AIsquared must have been in trouble themselves for VFO having the ability to purchase them. I just have to think that Doug has to be feeling really bad for how Window Eyes is going from the best screen reader to the non existing one. On 3/30/2017 8:18 PM, Dave via Talk wrote: I'm usually able to grasp why Companies do what they do, but I've never understood, from a Fiscal point of view, why GW Micro chose to give a Free copy of Window Eyes to any Registered MS Office user. Perhaps they had a deal with Microsoft to receive a "Royalty" of some kind for every person who took them up on the offer? If this were true, GW Micro must have been suffering some rough financial times, because for every person taking advantage of the offer, would drain the number of possible full paying customers.Maybe they were taking a Gamble and thought because Window Eyes would be Free for MS Office owners, just maybe some Government agencies would start steering clients towards Window Eyes, instead of paying $1100 for JAWS? I don't know. Never been able to make sense of it. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
from what i heard from an employee from VFO window eyes developement and other resources will be drastically stopped the efforts will be going towards Jaws and Zoomtext On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: We don't know WE is going away. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Hi Sky and List I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes. I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws. The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be put toward the cost of jaws. Everyone should be given the convention price for jaws. Just a thought, Brenda On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: Hello Kevin and Vaughn. Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance, Window-Eyes would not have gotten extinct and this would not have happened. Below, I'm going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is on this list, and I support him 100 percent! Email 1: Hi Sky, Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you said, had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on favoured window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be almost extinct at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These people are somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The entire system has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other screen reader has become second rate because of the power wielded withing the blind community. It's alright us saying this but actually proving it is another matter. If it could be proved and despite all the negativity, it could. Then what could happen? Telling the world about how a ruthless power hungry organisation set out to control the world of the blind with a screen reader? If people would back us up and not just say that is what happened without saying I can prove it. To be able to prove it would be the icing on the cake. It would show the rotten, evil people at jaws who abused their power and in a way forced vendors to favour jaws above other screen readers. If enough people were prepared to come out and back us up we would have enough to at least make those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility. I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true would be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a Mergers and nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth. Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining. They have some power but it is only token gesture. There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He will be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media cdompanies. He owns the majority of the world's media and his control is beyond anything that the world has seen before. There isn't much he doesn't own and his political power is immeanse. That is the exact same as jaws, the rnib, cnib and other organisations for the blind. If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm what we are saying. That would be at least a start. We could get up a petition expressing our opinion of the bullying from these so called institutions for the blind. bringing them to account. It may not do very much but at least it would rock the boat for a short time and always be part of the history of blind peoples lives in a corrupt and overbearing system. Email 2: From: bj colt [mailto:bjc...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:34 AM To: Sky Mundell Subject: Re: window eyes proposal Hi Sky, I listened to the podcast from scun. I am not only disgusted but really pissed off at VFO and with the presenters at the tech podcast. ~Why aren't they kicking up hell? Probably because they are jaws users. I got that impression just by their attitude. Zoom text and fusion was an AI squared and window-eyes conception. Not a VFO idea. I did say that's why they bought out ai squared and it seems I was right. They are going to unceremoniously dump window-eyes. No new updadtes, no upgrades, nothing, no development. The list really has to do something at this stage. We really have to get together and make sure VFO are aware of our feelings. Everyone who has paid for sma's are now entitled to a full refund, no questions asked. No development means no upgrades, no upgrades equals no need for sma's. No sma's means they are stealing our money under
RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
Hi Vaughan, I really doubt that Window-Eyes really needs much tweaking anymore in order to stay current. Windows 10 isn't changing much. Best, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 5:06 AM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes It won't go away so long as people have copies. However: is it being developed? Is it ready for the numerous challenges as technology and access to it goes through a whole range of transformations and innovations? Vaughan. Vaughan. On 3/31/2017 6:59 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: > We don't know WE is going away. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM > To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes > > Hi Sky and List > > > I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes. > > > I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and push > for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws. The number > of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs would be given jaws > SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be put toward the cost of > jaws. Everyone should be given the convention price for jaws. > > > Just a thought, > > Brenda > > > On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: >> Hello Kevin and Vaughn. Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind >> organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance, Window-Eyes would not >> have gotten extinct and this would not have happened. Below, I'm >> going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is on >> this list, and I support him 100 percent! >> >> >> >> >> Email 1: >> >> Hi Sky, >> >> >> >> Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you said, >> had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on favoured >> window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be almost extinct >> at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These people are >> somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The entire system >> has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other screen reader >> has become second rate because of the power wielded withing the blind >> community. It's alright us saying this but actually proving it is >> another matter. If it could be proved and despite all the negativity, >> it could. Then what could happen? Telling the world about how a >> ruthless power hungry organisation set out to control the world of the >> blind with a screen reader? If people would back us up and not just >> say that is what happened without saying I can prove it. To be able to >> prove it would be the icing on the cake. It would show the rotten, >> evil people at jaws who abused their power and in a way forced vendors >> to favour jaws above other screen readers. If enough people were >> prepared to come out and back us up we would have enough to at least make > those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility. >> >> >> >> I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true would >> be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a Mergers and >> nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth. >> Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major >> money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining. >> They have some power but it is only token gesture. >> >> >> >> There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He will >> be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media cdompanies. He >> owns the majority of the world's media and his control is beyond >> anything that the world has seen before. There isn't much he doesn't >> own and his political power is immeanse. That is the exact same as >> jaws, the rnib, cnib and other organisations for the blind. >> >> >> >> If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm what >> we are saying. That would be at least a start. We could get up a >> petition expressing our opinion of the bullying from these so called >> institutions for the blind. bringing them to account. It may not do >> very much but at least it would rock the boat for a shor
RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
Hi Vaughan, To a point, I agree with you. However, I have been deliberately using JAWS 18 this week as opposed to Window-Eyes, and it is far less stable. So while it would be difficult to continue using Window-Eyes, should it not get updated, JAWS is really quite an unstable mess with some programs. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: 30 March 2017 21:03 To: 'bjn...@windstream.net' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Agree with the below. How many people took up my suggestion, shared with the list, of drawing your concerns to the Chief Executive, or someone appropriately senior who can make decisions of the type which Brenda has suggested. I've personally gone past being sentimental about Window-eyes. It is not a work In progress anymore from my standpoint, and in free countries - people can choose to stand on principle or be pragmatic and make best use of the tools available. Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk Sent: Friday, 31 March 2017 6:26 a.m. To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Hi Sky and List I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes. I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws. The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be put toward the cost of jaws. Everyone should be given the convention price for jaws. Just a thought, Brenda On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: > Hello Kevin and Vaughn. Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind > organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance, Window-Eyes would not > have gotten extinct and this would not have happened. Below, I'm > going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is on > this list, and I support him 100 percent! > > > > > Email 1: > > Hi Sky, > > > > Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you said, > had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on favoured > window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be almost extinct > at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These people are > somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The entire system > has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other screen reader > has become second rate because of the power wielded withing the blind > community. It's alright us saying this but actually proving it is > another matter. If it could be proved and despite all the negativity, > it could. Then what could happen? Telling the world about how a > ruthless power hungry organisation set out to control the world of the > blind with a screen reader? If people would back us up and not just > say that is what happened without saying I can prove it. To be able to > prove it would be the icing on the cake. It would show the rotten, > evil people at jaws who abused their power and in a way forced vendors > to favour jaws above other screen readers. If enough people were > prepared to come out and back us up we would have enough to at least make those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility. > > > > I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true would > be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a Mergers and > nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth. > Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major > money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining. > They have some power but it is only token gesture. > > > > There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He will > be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media cdompanies. He > owns the majority of the world's media and his control is beyond > anything that the world has seen before. There isn't much he doesn't > own and his political power is immeanse. That is the exact same as > jaws, the rnib, cnib and other organisations for the blind. > > > > If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm what > we are saying. That would be at least a start. We could get up a > petition expressing our opinion of the bullying from these so called > institutions for the blind. bringing them to account. It may not do > very much but at least it would rock the boat for a short time and > always be part of the
Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
It won't go away so long as people have copies. However: is it being developed? Is it ready for the numerous challenges as technology and access to it goes through a whole range of transformations and innovations? Vaughan. Vaughan. On 3/31/2017 6:59 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: We don't know WE is going away. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Hi Sky and List I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes. I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws. The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be put toward the cost of jaws. Everyone should be given the convention price for jaws. Just a thought, Brenda On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: Hello Kevin and Vaughn. Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance, Window-Eyes would not have gotten extinct and this would not have happened. Below, I'm going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is on this list, and I support him 100 percent! Email 1: Hi Sky, Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you said, had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on favoured window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be almost extinct at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These people are somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The entire system has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other screen reader has become second rate because of the power wielded withing the blind community. It's alright us saying this but actually proving it is another matter. If it could be proved and despite all the negativity, it could. Then what could happen? Telling the world about how a ruthless power hungry organisation set out to control the world of the blind with a screen reader? If people would back us up and not just say that is what happened without saying I can prove it. To be able to prove it would be the icing on the cake. It would show the rotten, evil people at jaws who abused their power and in a way forced vendors to favour jaws above other screen readers. If enough people were prepared to come out and back us up we would have enough to at least make those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility. I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true would be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a Mergers and nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth. Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining. They have some power but it is only token gesture. There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He will be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media cdompanies. He owns the majority of the world's media and his control is beyond anything that the world has seen before. There isn't much he doesn't own and his political power is immeanse. That is the exact same as jaws, the rnib, cnib and other organisations for the blind. If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm what we are saying. That would be at least a start. We could get up a petition expressing our opinion of the bullying from these so called institutions for the blind. bringing them to account. It may not do very much but at least it would rock the boat for a short time and always be part of the history of blind peoples lives in a corrupt and overbearing system. Email 2: From: bj colt [mailto:bjc...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:34 AM To: Sky Mundell Subject: Re: window eyes proposal Hi Sky, I listened to the podcast from scun. I am not only disgusted but really pissed off at VFO and with the presenters at the tech podcast. ~Why aren't they kicking up hell? Probably because they are jaws users. I got that impression just by their attitude. Zoom text and fusion was an AI squared and window-eyes conception. Not a VFO idea. I did say that's why they bought out ai squared and it seems I was right. They are going to unceremoniously dump window-eyes. No new updadtes, no upgrades, nothing, no development. The list really has to do something at this stage. We really have to get together and make sure VFO are aware of our feelings. Everyone who has paid for sma's are now entitled to a full refund, no questions asked. No development means no upgrades, no upgrades equals no need for
RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
We don't know WE is going away. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Hi Sky and List I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes. I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws. The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be put toward the cost of jaws. Everyone should be given the convention price for jaws. Just a thought, Brenda On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: > Hello Kevin and Vaughn. Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind > organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance, Window-Eyes would not > have gotten extinct and this would not have happened. Below, I'm > going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is on > this list, and I support him 100 percent! > > > > > Email 1: > > Hi Sky, > > > > Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you said, > had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on favoured > window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be almost extinct > at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These people are > somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The entire system > has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other screen reader > has become second rate because of the power wielded withing the blind > community. It's alright us saying this but actually proving it is > another matter. If it could be proved and despite all the negativity, > it could. Then what could happen? Telling the world about how a > ruthless power hungry organisation set out to control the world of the > blind with a screen reader? If people would back us up and not just > say that is what happened without saying I can prove it. To be able to > prove it would be the icing on the cake. It would show the rotten, > evil people at jaws who abused their power and in a way forced vendors > to favour jaws above other screen readers. If enough people were > prepared to come out and back us up we would have enough to at least make those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility. > > > > I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true would > be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a Mergers and > nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth. > Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major > money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining. > They have some power but it is only token gesture. > > > > There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He will > be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media cdompanies. He > owns the majority of the world's media and his control is beyond > anything that the world has seen before. There isn't much he doesn't > own and his political power is immeanse. That is the exact same as > jaws, the rnib, cnib and other organisations for the blind. > > > > If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm what > we are saying. That would be at least a start. We could get up a > petition expressing our opinion of the bullying from these so called > institutions for the blind. bringing them to account. It may not do > very much but at least it would rock the boat for a short time and > always be part of the history of blind peoples lives in a corrupt and overbearing system. > > > > > Email 2: > > > > > From: bj colt [mailto:bjc...@blueyonder.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:34 AM > To: Sky Mundell > Subject: Re: window eyes proposal > > Hi Sky, > > I listened to the podcast from scun. I am not only disgusted but > really pissed off at VFO and with the presenters at the tech podcast. > ~Why aren't they kicking up hell? Probably because they are jaws > users. I got that impression just by their attitude. Zoom text and > fusion was an AI squared and window-eyes conception. Not a VFO idea. I > did say that's why they bought out ai squared and it seems I was > right. They are going to unceremoniously dump window-eyes. No new > updadtes, no upgrades, nothing, no development. The list really has to > do something at this stage. We really have to get together and make > sure VFO are aware of our feelings. Everyone who has paid f
RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
In fact, this office deal of Window-Eyes was how I was able to get it into institutions for the disabled here in Canada. They used JAWS but I convinced A few organisations, Disabillity resource centre here in Victoria, and Neil Squire in Vancouver as well as our local library that if they went with the free version of Window-Eyes they could save a lot of money pluss these organisations never had Window-Eyes as an option and that was because of the favouritism of JAWS over any other product. CNIB had Window-Eyes on the computers in the tech lab but promoted JAWS over Window-Eyes and it was due to more money from the venders. I saw the free office deal as a way to put Window-Eyes in organisations in Canada. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 6:34 PM To: 'Dave'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Hi Dave. I think similarly. And what upset me about this in particular is that the industry insiders swallowed the press releases hook, line and sinker. And: as a loyal paying customer for by then 18 years, I resented the deal as being a sign that we weren't getting much more than those who went for the free option. It is all now part of history, and we can't change what has happened. But the whole arrangement was not transparent, and it was a very poor business decision, coupled with disrespect for the payhing customers. Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dave via Talk Sent: Friday, 31 March 2017 2:18 p.m. To: Kevin Huber; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes I'm usually able to grasp why Companies do what they do, but I've never understood, from a Fiscal point of view, why GW Micro chose to give a Free copy of Window Eyes to any Registered MS Office user. Perhaps they had a deal with Microsoft to receive a "Royalty" of some kind for every person who took them up on the offer? If this were true, GW Micro must have been suffering some rough financial times, because for every person taking advantage of the offer, would drain the number of possible full paying customers.Maybe they were taking a Gamble and thought because Window Eyes would be Free for MS Office owners, just maybe some Government agencies would start steering clients towards Window Eyes, instead of paying $1100 for JAWS? I don't know. Never been able to make sense of it. -- Perhaps some of you out there might have some other thoughts on why there was a Free version for MS Office users. Grumpy Dave Dave ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vaughan.dodd00 1%40msd.govt.nz. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com --- This email and any attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this email and attachments is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the author immediately and erase all copies of the email and attachments. The Ministry of Social Development accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message or attachments after transmission from the Ministry. --- ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
I have said it before I don't know why Microsoft didn't just purchase Window Eyes and incorporate it into windows. GW had to have been in serious finical trouble for letting AISquared purchase them when in fact AIsquared must have been in trouble themselves for VFO having the ability to purchase them. I just have to think that Doug has to be feeling really bad for how Window Eyes is going from the best screen reader to the non existing one. On 3/30/2017 8:18 PM, Dave via Talk wrote: I'm usually able to grasp why Companies do what they do, but I've never understood, from a Fiscal point of view, why GW Micro chose to give a Free copy of Window Eyes to any Registered MS Office user. Perhaps they had a deal with Microsoft to receive a "Royalty" of some kind for every person who took them up on the offer? If this were true, GW Micro must have been suffering some rough financial times, because for every person taking advantage of the offer, would drain the number of possible full paying customers.Maybe they were taking a Gamble and thought because Window Eyes would be Free for MS Office owners, just maybe some Government agencies would start steering clients towards Window Eyes, instead of paying $1100 for JAWS? I don't know. Never been able to make sense of it. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
Hi Dave. I think similarly. And what upset me about this in particular is that the industry insiders swallowed the press releases hook, line and sinker. And: as a loyal paying customer for by then 18 years, I resented the deal as being a sign that we weren't getting much more than those who went for the free option. It is all now part of history, and we can't change what has happened. But the whole arrangement was not transparent, and it was a very poor business decision, coupled with disrespect for the payhing customers. Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dave via Talk Sent: Friday, 31 March 2017 2:18 p.m. To: Kevin Huber; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes I'm usually able to grasp why Companies do what they do, but I've never understood, from a Fiscal point of view, why GW Micro chose to give a Free copy of Window Eyes to any Registered MS Office user. Perhaps they had a deal with Microsoft to receive a "Royalty" of some kind for every person who took them up on the offer? If this were true, GW Micro must have been suffering some rough financial times, because for every person taking advantage of the offer, would drain the number of possible full paying customers.Maybe they were taking a Gamble and thought because Window Eyes would be Free for MS Office owners, just maybe some Government agencies would start steering clients towards Window Eyes, instead of paying $1100 for JAWS? I don't know. Never been able to make sense of it. -- Perhaps some of you out there might have some other thoughts on why there was a Free version for MS Office users. Grumpy Dave Dave ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vaughan.dodd001%40msd.govt.nz. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com --- This email and any attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this email and attachments is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the author immediately and erase all copies of the email and attachments. The Ministry of Social Development accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message or attachments after transmission from the Ministry. --- ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
I'm usually able to grasp why Companies do what they do, but I've never understood, from a Fiscal point of view, why GW Micro chose to give a Free copy of Window Eyes to any Registered MS Office user. Perhaps they had a deal with Microsoft to receive a "Royalty" of some kind for every person who took them up on the offer? If this were true, GW Micro must have been suffering some rough financial times, because for every person taking advantage of the offer, would drain the number of possible full paying customers.Maybe they were taking a Gamble and thought because Window Eyes would be Free for MS Office owners, just maybe some Government agencies would start steering clients towards Window Eyes, instead of paying $1100 for JAWS? I don't know. Never been able to make sense of it. -- Perhaps some of you out there might have some other thoughts on why there was a Free version for MS Office users. Grumpy Dave Dave ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
I don't want it but I agree. Anyone with valid paid for we and zt fusion window-eyes version and sma's. Since they killing the programs off, should either get credit towards purchase or discounted jfw/ zt fusion jaws version. "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On Mar 30, 2017 3:03 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" wrote: > Agree with the below. > > How many people took up my suggestion, shared with the list, of drawing > your concerns to the Chief Executive, or someone appropriately senior who > can make decisions of the type which Brenda has suggested. > > I've personally gone past being sentimental about Window-eyes. It is not > a work In progress anymore from my standpoint, and in free countries - > people can choose to stand on principle or be pragmatic and make best use > of the tools available. > > Vaughan. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists. > window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk > Sent: Friday, 31 March 2017 6:26 a.m. > To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes > > Hi Sky and List > > > I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes. > > > I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and push > for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws. The number > of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs would be given jaws > SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be put toward the cost of > jaws. Everyone should be given the convention price for jaws. > > > Just a thought, > > Brenda > > > On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: > > Hello Kevin and Vaughn. Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind > > organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance, Window-Eyes would not > > have gotten extinct and this would not have happened. Below, I'm > > going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is on > > this list, and I support him 100 percent! > > > > > > > > > > Email 1: > > > > Hi Sky, > > > > > > > > Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you said, > > had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on favoured > > window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be almost extinct > > at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These people are > > somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The entire system > > has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other screen reader > > has become second rate because of the power wielded withing the blind > > community. It's alright us saying this but actually proving it is > > another matter. If it could be proved and despite all the negativity, > > it could. Then what could happen? Telling the world about how a > > ruthless power hungry organisation set out to control the world of the > > blind with a screen reader? If people would back us up and not just > > say that is what happened without saying I can prove it. To be able to > > prove it would be the icing on the cake. It would show the rotten, > > evil people at jaws who abused their power and in a way forced vendors > > to favour jaws above other screen readers. If enough people were > > prepared to come out and back us up we would have enough to at least > make those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility. > > > > > > > > I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true would > > be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a Mergers and > > nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth. > > Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major > > money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining. > > They have some power but it is only token gesture. > > > > > > > > There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He will > > be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media cdompanies. He > > owns the majority of the world's media and his control is beyond > > anything that the world has seen before. There isn't much he doesn't > > own and his political power is immeanse. That is the exact same as > > jaws, the rnib, cnib and other organisations for the blind. > > > > > > > > If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm what > > we are saying. That wou
RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
Agree with the below. How many people took up my suggestion, shared with the list, of drawing your concerns to the Chief Executive, or someone appropriately senior who can make decisions of the type which Brenda has suggested. I've personally gone past being sentimental about Window-eyes. It is not a work In progress anymore from my standpoint, and in free countries - people can choose to stand on principle or be pragmatic and make best use of the tools available. Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk Sent: Friday, 31 March 2017 6:26 a.m. To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Hi Sky and List I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes. I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws. The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be put toward the cost of jaws. Everyone should be given the convention price for jaws. Just a thought, Brenda On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: > Hello Kevin and Vaughn. Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind > organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance, Window-Eyes would not > have gotten extinct and this would not have happened. Below, I'm > going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is on > this list, and I support him 100 percent! > > > > > Email 1: > > Hi Sky, > > > > Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you said, > had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on favoured > window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be almost extinct > at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These people are > somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The entire system > has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other screen reader > has become second rate because of the power wielded withing the blind > community. It's alright us saying this but actually proving it is > another matter. If it could be proved and despite all the negativity, > it could. Then what could happen? Telling the world about how a > ruthless power hungry organisation set out to control the world of the > blind with a screen reader? If people would back us up and not just > say that is what happened without saying I can prove it. To be able to > prove it would be the icing on the cake. It would show the rotten, > evil people at jaws who abused their power and in a way forced vendors > to favour jaws above other screen readers. If enough people were > prepared to come out and back us up we would have enough to at least make > those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility. > > > > I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true would > be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a Mergers and > nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth. > Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major > money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining. > They have some power but it is only token gesture. > > > > There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He will > be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media cdompanies. He > owns the majority of the world's media and his control is beyond > anything that the world has seen before. There isn't much he doesn't > own and his political power is immeanse. That is the exact same as > jaws, the rnib, cnib and other organisations for the blind. > > > > If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm what > we are saying. That would be at least a start. We could get up a > petition expressing our opinion of the bullying from these so called > institutions for the blind. bringing them to account. It may not do > very much but at least it would rock the boat for a short time and > always be part of the history of blind peoples lives in a corrupt and > overbearing system. > > > > > Email 2: > > > > > From: bj colt [mailto:bjc...@blueyonder.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:34 AM > To: Sky Mundell > Subject: Re: window eyes proposal > > Hi Sky, > > I listened to the podcast from scun. I am not only disgusted but > really pissed off at VFO and with the presenters at the tech podcast. > ~Why aren't they kicking up hell? Probably because they are jaws > users. I got that impression just by their attitude. Zoom text and > fusion was an AI squared and window-eyes c
Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
atter of fact. Live long and prosper, John Hi Sky, Yes, they said that the free copy of window-eyes with Office was a demo, that it wasn’t a full version, it only lasted 6 months, it only lasted a month. Those were regular lies told by vendors. The vendors favoured Jaws because it brought them more profit. In that the Big blind organisations reckomended jaws above other screen readers. When those in Education, employment and other fields contacted the rnib etc with questions about screen readers. What did they get? They got jaws and nothing else. No reckomendations for window-eyes, nothing, only jaws was offered. It happened iwth me. I lost a job because of it. Think about it? Jaws screen reader was always reckomended, followed by extensive training in jaws at a higher cost, scripts that were designed by jaws script writers at a consierable cost. Sky that was the entire package that was reckomended. The cost of everything, the dam high cost of everything. From: bj colt [mailto:bjc...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 10:51 AM To: Sky Mundell Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Proposal Hi Sky, Members of the list have stated that and more. No one was willing to fight gw’s corner. Jaws had too much a grip in institutions, that’s one reason. The actual proof was so well hidden it could not be proved conclusivly. Yet it was widely known. As in the post about FS seuing institutions if they didn’t approve of jaws over any other screen reader. In hindsight, had we known that window-eyes would be put in jeapordy we would have done something. None of us knew this may happen and that’s another reason we didn’t do anything about the situation. Sadly it looks as if it is all over for window-eyes. I noticed the post saying the person contacted aisquared and confirmed that s m a’s were and would be available in the future. Yet he wasn’t willing to actualy prove that was the case. He didn’t post an email or confirmation from asquared that this was the case. I would have liked to have been given proof of this. My proof is in the email posted to the group by asquared, where no mention of s m a’s are made. There isn’t much time left for VFO to make an official statement about the future of window-eyes. Then we will know for certain. Robert would be livid. He would be doing anything to keep window-eyes alive. The same as we will be doing. He will be proud of us when the time comes. Live long and prosper, John These are my thoughts as well. These emails should get us springing into action to keep Window-Eyes going. Lets all keep it alive and get this truth exposed and get Window-Eyes to the top in organisations for the blind. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 6:50 AM To: Vaughan Dodd; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Hi Vaughan: Mostly, I see your point and I would aggree, accept that, if VFO works out a contract with Microsoft which will allow them to create a JAWS For Office, presumably Window-eyes, and therefore Window-eyes for office, will be dead so there will only be two free screen readerws. Also, if WGW Micro created Window-eyes for Office to prevent people from switching to NVDA, wouldn't that reasoning apply to creating a JAWS For Office? Not to say that they will because I highly doubt that that will happen, but maybe it remains a possibility. Kevin Huber and On 3/29/17, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote: I think you'll find that VFO will not do this. Microsoft funded this, under a contractual basis. The contract supporting the Window-Eyes with Office scheme will most certainly come to an end. The financial backers of VFO are funding the continued development of JFW, and they will expect a return on their investment. The Window-Eyes for Office deal was a response to the increasing user support for NVDA. The dramatic reduction in the addition of new features and bug fixes for Window-Eyes is due in part to the deal, and people choosing not to purchase Window-Eyes because they had access to two free screen readers. There is no way that there can be three free screenreaders. Think about it: once a JFW for Office deal is struck with Microsoft, there will be clauses - such as - "cannot continue to develop interfaces for products from software competitors" and so forth. Regarding the Orbit thing: emulation of an 18 cell display means you lose 10% of the available realestate. Because the objective of the Orbit project is sound - electronic braille to more people - there will be a JFW driver soon. That driver will probably need to be developed by the Orbit consortium, rather than VFO. VFO won't throw in a free non VFO braille display when you buy JFW. It will develop deals for discounting its own displays. This is partly why Optelec ar
RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
They got jaws and nothing else. No reckomendations for window-eyes, nothing, only jaws was offered. It happened iwth me. I lost a job because of it. Think about it? Jaws screen reader was always reckomended, followed by extensive training in jaws at a higher cost, scripts that were designed by jaws script writers at a consierable cost. Sky that was the entire package that was reckomended. The cost of everything, the dam high cost of everything. From: bj colt [mailto:bjc...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 10:51 AM To: Sky Mundell Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Proposal Hi Sky, Members of the list have stated that and more. No one was willing to fight gws corner. Jaws had too much a grip in institutions, thats one reason. The actual proof was so well hidden it could not be proved conclusivly. Yet it was widely known. As in the post about FS seuing institutions if they didnt approve of jaws over any other screen reader. In hindsight, had we known that window-eyes would be put in jeapordy we would have done something. None of us knew this may happen and thats another reason we didnt do anything about the situation. Sadly it looks as if it is all over for window-eyes. I noticed the post saying the person contacted aisquared and confirmed that s m as were and would be available in the future. Yet he wasnt willing to actualy prove that was the case. He didnt post an email or confirmation from asquared that this was the case. I would have liked to have been given proof of this. My proof is in the email posted to the group by asquared, where no mention of s m as are made. There isnt much time left for VFO to make an official statement about the future of window-eyes. Then we will know for certain. Robert would be livid. He would be doing anything to keep window-eyes alive. The same as we will be doing. He will be proud of us when the time comes. Live long and prosper, John These are my thoughts as well. These emails should get us springing into action to keep Window-Eyes going. Lets all keep it alive and get this truth exposed and get Window-Eyes to the top in organisations for the blind. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 6:50 AM To: Vaughan Dodd; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Hi Vaughan: Mostly, I see your point and I would aggree, accept that, if VFO works out a contract with Microsoft which will allow them to create a JAWS For Office, presumably Window-eyes, and therefore Window-eyes for office, will be dead so there will only be two free screen readerws. Also, if WGW Micro created Window-eyes for Office to prevent people from switching to NVDA, wouldn't that reasoning apply to creating a JAWS For Office? Not to say that they will because I highly doubt that that will happen, but maybe it remains a possibility. Kevin Huber and On 3/29/17, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote: > I think you'll find that VFO will not do this. > > Microsoft funded this, under a contractual basis. > The contract supporting the Window-Eyes with Office scheme will most > certainly come to an end. > The financial backers of VFO are funding the continued development of JFW, > and they will expect a return on their investment. > > The Window-Eyes for Office deal was a response to the increasing user > support for NVDA. The dramatic reduction in the addition of new features > and bug fixes for Window-Eyes is due in part to the deal, and people > choosing not to purchase Window-Eyes because they had access to two free > screen readers. > > There is no way that there can be three free screenreaders. > > > Think about it: once a JFW for Office deal is struck with Microsoft, there > will be clauses - such as - "cannot continue to develop interfaces for > products from software competitors" and so forth. > > Regarding the Orbit thing: emulation of an 18 cell display means you lose > 10% of the available realestate. Because the objective of the Orbit project > is sound - electronic braille to more people - there will be a JFW driver > soon. That driver will probably need to be developed by the Orbit > consortium, rather than VFO. VFO won't throw in a free non VFO braille > display when you buy JFW. It will develop deals for discounting its own > displays. This is partly why Optelec are part of the group. > > > Vaughan. > > > > Vaughan. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk > Sent: Thursday, 30 March 2017 11:07 a.m. > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com > Subject: orbit20 display and future of window eyes > > and so this is why
Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
Hi Vaughan: Mostly, I see your point and I would aggree, accept that, if VFO works out a contract with Microsoft which will allow them to create a JAWS For Office, presumably Window-eyes, and therefore Window-eyes for office, will be dead so there will only be two free screen readerws. Also, if WGW Micro created Window-eyes for Office to prevent people from switching to NVDA, wouldn't that reasoning apply to creating a JAWS For Office? Not to say that they will because I highly doubt that that will happen, but maybe it remains a possibility. Kevin Huber and On 3/29/17, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote: > I think you'll find that VFO will not do this. > > Microsoft funded this, under a contractual basis. > The contract supporting the Window-Eyes with Office scheme will most > certainly come to an end. > The financial backers of VFO are funding the continued development of JFW, > and they will expect a return on their investment. > > The Window-Eyes for Office deal was a response to the increasing user > support for NVDA. The dramatic reduction in the addition of new features > and bug fixes for Window-Eyes is due in part to the deal, and people > choosing not to purchase Window-Eyes because they had access to two free > screen readers. > > There is no way that there can be three free screenreaders. > > > Think about it: once a JFW for Office deal is struck with Microsoft, there > will be clauses - such as - "cannot continue to develop interfaces for > products from software competitors" and so forth. > > Regarding the Orbit thing: emulation of an 18 cell display means you lose > 10% of the available realestate. Because the objective of the Orbit project > is sound - electronic braille to more people - there will be a JFW driver > soon. That driver will probably need to be developed by the Orbit > consortium, rather than VFO. VFO won't throw in a free non VFO braille > display when you buy JFW. It will develop deals for discounting its own > displays. This is partly why Optelec are part of the group. > > > Vaughan. > > > > Vaughan. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk > Sent: Thursday, 30 March 2017 11:07 a.m. > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com > Subject: orbit20 display and future of window eyes > > and so this is why the vfo group has to just fold window eyes into jaws or > just give us a free jaws for office option. because for some people NVDA > does not cut it, and we need something more powerful, yet that is low cost > or free. a jaws for office would work fine especially if you need to do > stuff in microsoft office. not to mention jaws works good with the orbit > reader20 prototype set to refreshabraille18 emulation. > window eyes does not work with orbit20 at all. come on vfo group let us use > jaws for free if microsoft office is installed on our machines! > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vaughan.dodd001%40msd.govt.nz. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > --- > This email and any attachments may contain information that is confidential > and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any > use, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this email and > attachments is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please > notify the author immediately and erase all copies of the email and > attachments. The Ministry of Social Development accepts no responsibility > for changes made to this message or attachments after transmission from the > Ministry. > > --- > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/huber.kevin7%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at h
Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
Yet again, don't hold your breath for this to happen. On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 5:35 PM Vaughan Dodd via Talk < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > I think you'll find that VFO will not do this. > > Microsoft funded this, under a contractual basis. > The contract supporting the Window-Eyes with Office scheme will most > certainly come to an end. > The financial backers of VFO are funding the continued development of JFW, > and they will expect a return on their investment. > > The Window-Eyes for Office deal was a response to the increasing user > support for NVDA. The dramatic reduction in the addition of new features > and bug fixes for Window-Eyes is due in part to the deal, and people > choosing not to purchase Window-Eyes because they had access to two free > screen readers. > > There is no way that there can be three free screenreaders. > > > Think about it: once a JFW for Office deal is struck with Microsoft, there > will be clauses - such as - "cannot continue to develop interfaces for > products from software competitors" and so forth. > > Regarding the Orbit thing: emulation of an 18 cell display means you lose > 10% of the available realestate. Because the objective of the Orbit > project is sound - electronic braille to more people - there will be a JFW > driver soon. That driver will probably need to be developed by the Orbit > consortium, rather than VFO. VFO won't throw in a free non VFO braille > display when you buy JFW. It will develop deals for discounting its own > displays. This is partly why Optelec are part of the group. > > > Vaughan. > > > > Vaughan. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001= > msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk > Sent: Thursday, 30 March 2017 11:07 a.m. > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com > Subject: orbit20 display and future of window eyes > > and so this is why the vfo group has to just fold window eyes into jaws or > just give us a free jaws for office option. because for some people NVDA > does not cut it, and we need something more powerful, yet that is low cost > or free. a jaws for office would work fine especially if you need to do > stuff in microsoft office. not to mention jaws works good with the orbit > reader20 prototype set to refreshabraille18 emulation. > window eyes does not work with orbit20 at all. come on vfo group let us > use jaws for free if microsoft office is installed on our machines! > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vaughan.dodd001%40msd.govt.nz > . > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > --- > This email and any attachments may contain information that is > confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended > recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this > email and attachments is prohibited. If you have received this email in > error please notify the author immediately and erase all copies of the > email and attachments. The Ministry of Social Development accepts no > responsibility for changes made to this message or attachments after > transmission from the Ministry. > > --- > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com > . > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > -- "The world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised, night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
I think you'll find that VFO will not do this. Microsoft funded this, under a contractual basis. The contract supporting the Window-Eyes with Office scheme will most certainly come to an end. The financial backers of VFO are funding the continued development of JFW, and they will expect a return on their investment. The Window-Eyes for Office deal was a response to the increasing user support for NVDA. The dramatic reduction in the addition of new features and bug fixes for Window-Eyes is due in part to the deal, and people choosing not to purchase Window-Eyes because they had access to two free screen readers. There is no way that there can be three free screenreaders. Think about it: once a JFW for Office deal is struck with Microsoft, there will be clauses - such as - "cannot continue to develop interfaces for products from software competitors" and so forth. Regarding the Orbit thing: emulation of an 18 cell display means you lose 10% of the available realestate. Because the objective of the Orbit project is sound - electronic braille to more people - there will be a JFW driver soon. That driver will probably need to be developed by the Orbit consortium, rather than VFO. VFO won't throw in a free non VFO braille display when you buy JFW. It will develop deals for discounting its own displays. This is partly why Optelec are part of the group. Vaughan. Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk Sent: Thursday, 30 March 2017 11:07 a.m. To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: orbit20 display and future of window eyes and so this is why the vfo group has to just fold window eyes into jaws or just give us a free jaws for office option. because for some people NVDA does not cut it, and we need something more powerful, yet that is low cost or free. a jaws for office would work fine especially if you need to do stuff in microsoft office. not to mention jaws works good with the orbit reader20 prototype set to refreshabraille18 emulation. window eyes does not work with orbit20 at all. come on vfo group let us use jaws for free if microsoft office is installed on our machines! ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vaughan.dodd001%40msd.govt.nz. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com --- This email and any attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this email and attachments is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the author immediately and erase all copies of the email and attachments. The Ministry of Social Development accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message or attachments after transmission from the Ministry. --- ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com