Re: Think Business
On a lot of these lists lately, you can't get the person's actual email address from them. I think they say it's for security purposes. Pam. -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 7:11 AM To: 'Paulette Vickery' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Think Business Hi Paulette, The easies way to get an email address from a post is to reply to it and then Shift-tab to the Sender field. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Paulette Vickery via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:01 PM To: 'Andy Baracco' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Think Business Hi Andy, Would you please send me your email address? I would like to write you off list, but I can't get your email address from this message. Thanks. Paulette -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:14 PM To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Think Business There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they can do what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along with consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting events. My wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to replacing because she is doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a PC, and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore. And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader NVDA is no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home PC users. PCs are still essential in the workplace, but the blind population is growing older, and many who have worked are retiring. And Apple continues to be an alternative solution for blind persons. The demand for PC based screen reading software is decreasing, and there just isn't enough demand to support several competing products. I think that eventually advanced screen reader capability will be built into Windows narrator and the AT companies will make their money on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and low vision solutions. Andy -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Think Business AMEN! On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote: I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision. No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability. The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod. I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all the times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours. There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have WE for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. Granted, we think they're there to please us, and they have, for many years. But I suspect they couldn't do it alone any more. Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for exemplary service. May it continue! Mickey Prahin ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22 %40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wq6r%40socal.r r.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http
RE: Think Business
Hi Paulette, The easies way to get an email address from a post is to reply to it and then Shift-tab to the Sender field. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Paulette Vickery via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:01 PM To: 'Andy Baracco' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Think Business Hi Andy, Would you please send me your email address? I would like to write you off list, but I can't get your email address from this message. Thanks. Paulette -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:14 PM To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Think Business There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they can do what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along with consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting events. My wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to replacing because she is doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a PC, and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore. And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader NVDA is no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home PC users. PCs are still essential in the workplace, but the blind population is growing older, and many who have worked are retiring. And Apple continues to be an alternative solution for blind persons. The demand for PC based screen reading software is decreasing, and there just isn't enough demand to support several competing products. I think that eventually advanced screen reader capability will be built into Windows narrator and the AT companies will make their money on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and low vision solutions. Andy -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Think Business AMEN! On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote: > I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if > the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent > compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision. > > > No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their > prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability. > > > The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, > caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod. > > > I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all > the times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours. > > > There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have > WE for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. > Granted, we think they're there to please us, and they have, for many > years. But I suspect they couldn't do it alone any more. > > > Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for > exemplary service. May it continue! > > > Mickey Prahin > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22 %40comcast.net. > > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wq6r%40socal.r r.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/paulette%40evi ckery.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/
RE: Think Business
Hi Mickey, Thanks so much for the positive note. And thanks to Steve, you know, Steve Clower, that quiet but powerful chap. Smile All the best, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Mickey via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 2:30 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Think Business I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision. No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability. The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod. I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all the times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours. There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have WE for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. Granted, we think they're there to please us, and they have, for many years. But I suspect they couldn't do it alone any more. Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for exemplary service. May it continue! Mickey Prahin ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40h otmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Think Business
You do if you want to survive. On 6/15/2016 5:46 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: You don't join your company that's trying to sue you out of business. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 15, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote: I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision. No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability. The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod. I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all the times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours. There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have WE for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. Granted, we think they're there to please us, and they have, for many years. But I suspect they couldn't do it alone any more. Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for exemplary service. May it continue! Mickey Prahin ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Think Business
In 10 it's getting better. Not great, but better than it was. I'm using the insider build. Darrell Bowles Assistive Technology Trainer Pelissippi State Community College 8656613917 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dwayne McNutt via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:39 PM To: Andy Baracco ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Think Business If narrator does take over eventually, I hope it is a lot better than it is now because it sucks. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dwaynemcnutt=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:14 PM To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Think Business There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they can do what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along with consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting events. My wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to replacing because she is doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a PC, and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore. And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader NVDA is no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home PC users. PCs are still essential in the workplace, but the blind population is growing older, and many who have worked are retiring. And Apple continues to be an alternative solution for blind persons. The demand for PC based screen reading software is decreasing, and there just isn't enough demand to support several competing products. I think that eventually advanced screen reader capability will be built into Windows narrator and the AT companies will make their money on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and low vision solutions. Andy -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Think Business AMEN! On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote: > I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if > the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent > compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision. > > > No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their > prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability. > > > The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, > caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod. > > > I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all > the times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours. > > > There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have > WE for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. > Granted, we think they're there to please us, and they have, for many > years. But I suspect they couldn't do it alone any more. > > > Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for > exemplary service. May it continue! > > > Mickey Prahin > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22 %40comcast.net. > > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wq6r%40socal.r r.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dwaynemcnutt%4 0outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be fou
RE: Think Business
If narrator does take over eventually, I hope it is a lot better than it is now because it sucks. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dwaynemcnutt=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:14 PM To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Think Business There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they can do what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along with consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting events. My wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to replacing because she is doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a PC, and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore. And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader NVDA is no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home PC users. PCs are still essential in the workplace, but the blind population is growing older, and many who have worked are retiring. And Apple continues to be an alternative solution for blind persons. The demand for PC based screen reading software is decreasing, and there just isn't enough demand to support several competing products. I think that eventually advanced screen reader capability will be built into Windows narrator and the AT companies will make their money on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and low vision solutions. Andy -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Think Business AMEN! On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote: > I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if > the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent > compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision. > > > No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their > prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability. > > > The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, > caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod. > > > I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all > the times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours. > > > There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have > WE for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. > Granted, we think they're there to please us, and they have, for many > years. But I suspect they couldn't do it alone any more. > > > Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for > exemplary service. May it continue! > > > Mickey Prahin > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net. > > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wq6r%40socal.rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dwaynemcnutt%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Think Business
sorry, i am a geek i use a desktop because i want the ability to build my own to my specifications that will do what i want it to do. with the parts i want in the machine. with plenty of card slots for any card upgrades i may want to install. which leaves out all tablets and laptops. not the cheap manufacturers computers that can not be upgraded or changed. most only have 2 or less card slots, no place to add another internal drive. propriatary designs that only the manufacture has. i want to have control over where files and programs are being stored. my first computer way back in 1979 the atari 800 cost $1000 with only 8 k of memory and a digital tape drive for storage. i wanted to make a longer external cable for there external hard drive. but they would not sell me there propriatary connector that only attari made. the only way they would sell me the connector is if i sent the computer into a repair facility. then they would make a cable for me for about $200 service charge. i can not do anything with the i phone or i pad unless it is approved by apple. its apple only or go suck an egg. no way can i say that voice over is any way near the capability of window eyes or jaws or nvda. -Original Message- From: Dave via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:19 PM To: Andy Baracco ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Think Business Yes, you make some good points. I am amazed at how many use a Smart Phone of some kind instead of a PC. Guess when you get down to it, most of the reasons why a blind person would use a computer is almost covered by today's Smart Phone. I took a week long class at my local State Agency for the blind, and I was surprised that everyone, and I do mean, everyone, had an I-Phone or something like it. And most everyone seemed to be checking it every five minutes or less!Even my Instructor was grabbing his phone every time it Beeped, even if he was attempting to instruct me about the subject of the class. I felt this was some what Rude, but I also thought him coming to class late and then leaving early was also rude. especially since I was there to learn as much as I could. I was there on time, so why wasn't he? But, this is the over all general Operating Procedure for this Agency. So I guess I should have been glad to get what I received. but, the answer for everything seemed to be an I-Phone. Something I have yet to purchase, mainly because Grumpy Dave has enough to be Grumpy about. And I can not think of any reason to justify the cost, or the monthly cost of the Plan needed to run the thing. I was impressed at what these I-phones can do, but when I thought about it, I didn't need what they offered. At least not yet. I did like the ability to know your location, and even what stores are near by. I thought that was very handy. But handy enough to pay the cost of everything to get this feature? Not really. So, I am making do with what I already own etc. I am also surprised at how few blind people even use a computer. I had a chance to see how many people have downloaded NVDA, and this was World Wide numbers, and I was thinking the number should have been much much higher. No wonder the money seems to be in the equipment for Low Vision people rather than those who are so blind they need a Screen Reader. We are indeed a small minority. Grumpy Dave -- Dave ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Think Business
Hi Andy, Would you please send me your email address? I would like to write you off list, but I can't get your email address from this message. Thanks. Paulette -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:14 PM To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Think Business There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they can do what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along with consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting events. My wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to replacing because she is doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a PC, and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore. And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader NVDA is no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home PC users. PCs are still essential in the workplace, but the blind population is growing older, and many who have worked are retiring. And Apple continues to be an alternative solution for blind persons. The demand for PC based screen reading software is decreasing, and there just isn't enough demand to support several competing products. I think that eventually advanced screen reader capability will be built into Windows narrator and the AT companies will make their money on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and low vision solutions. Andy -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Think Business AMEN! On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote: > I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if > the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent > compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision. > > > No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their > prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability. > > > The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, > caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod. > > > I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all the > times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours. > > > There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have WE > for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. Granted, we > think they're there to please us, and they have, for many years. But I > suspect they couldn't do it alone any more. > > > Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for > exemplary service. May it continue! > > > Mickey Prahin > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22 %40comcast.net. > > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wq6r%40socal.r r.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/paulette%40evi ckery.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Think Business
Hi Dave. I defenatly know what you mean. NVDA is by and large becoming very popular. I myself use NVDA, JAWS and Window-Eyes to get things done. As for people with low vision getting equipment, that is indeed what seems to be the focus on these days. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dave via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:19 PM To: Andy Baracco; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Think Business Yes, you make some good points. I am amazed at how many use a Smart Phone of some kind instead of a PC. Guess when you get down to it, most of the reasons why a blind person would use a computer is almost covered by today's Smart Phone. I took a week long class at my local State Agency for the blind, and I was surprised that everyone, and I do mean, everyone, had an I-Phone or something like it. And most everyone seemed to be checking it every five minutes or less!Even my Instructor was grabbing his phone every time it Beeped, even if he was attempting to instruct me about the subject of the class. I felt this was some what Rude, but I also thought him coming to class late and then leaving early was also rude. especially since I was there to learn as much as I could. I was there on time, so why wasn't he? But, this is the over all general Operating Procedure for this Agency. So I guess I should have been glad to get what Ireceived. but, the answer for everything seemed to be an I-Phone. Something I have yet to purchase, mainly because Grumpy Dave has enough to be Grumpy about. And I can not think of any reason to justify the cost, or the monthly cost of the Plan needed to run the thing. I was impressed at what these I-phones can do, but when I thought about it, I didn't need what they offered. At least not yet. I did like the ability to know your location, and even what stores are near by. I thought that was very handy. But handy enough to pay the cost of everything to get this feature? Not really. So, I am making do with what I already own etc. I am also surprised at how few blind people even use a computer. I had a chance to see how many people have downloaded NVDA, and this was World Wide numbers, and I was thinking the number should have been much much higher. No wonder the money seems to be in the equipment for Low Vision people rather than those who are so blind they need a Screen Reader. We are indeed a small minority. Grumpy Dave -- Dave ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Think Business
Yes, you make some good points. I am amazed at how many use a Smart Phone of some kind instead of a PC. Guess when you get down to it, most of the reasons why a blind person would use a computer is almost covered by today's Smart Phone. I took a week long class at my local State Agency for the blind, and I was surprised that everyone, and I do mean, everyone, had an I-Phone or something like it. And most everyone seemed to be checking it every five minutes or less!Even my Instructor was grabbing his phone every time it Beeped, even if he was attempting to instruct me about the subject of the class. I felt this was some what Rude, but I also thought him coming to class late and then leaving early was also rude. especially since I was there to learn as much as I could. I was there on time, so why wasn't he? But, this is the over all general Operating Procedure for this Agency. So I guess I should have been glad to get what Ireceived. but, the answer for everything seemed to be an I-Phone. Something I have yet to purchase, mainly because Grumpy Dave has enough to be Grumpy about. And I can not think of any reason to justify the cost, or the monthly cost of the Plan needed to run the thing. I was impressed at what these I-phones can do, but when I thought about it, I didn't need what they offered. At least not yet. I did like the ability to know your location, and even what stores are near by. I thought that was very handy. But handy enough to pay the cost of everything to get this feature? Not really. So, I am making do with what I already own etc. I am also surprised at how few blind people even use a computer. I had a chance to see how many people have downloaded NVDA, and this was World Wide numbers, and I was thinking the number should have been much much higher. No wonder the money seems to be in the equipment for Low Vision people rather than those who are so blind they need a Screen Reader. We are indeed a small minority. Grumpy Dave -- Dave ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Think Business
But I bet if or when Narrator does have scripting kapabilities, Dancing dots, and or Hartgen consultancy could make the scripts work with Narrator. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:14 PM To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Think Business There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they can do what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along with consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting events. My wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to replacing because she is doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a PC, and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore. And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader NVDA is no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home PC users. PCs are still essential in the workplace, but the blind population is growing older, and many who have worked are retiring. And Apple continues to be an alternative solution for blind persons. The demand for PC based screen reading software is decreasing, and there just isn't enough demand to support several competing products. I think that eventually advanced screen reader capability will be built into Windows narrator and the AT companies will make their money on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and low vision solutions. Andy -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Think Business AMEN! On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote: > I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if > the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent > compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision. > > > No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their > prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability. > > > The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, > caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod. > > > I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all the > times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours. > > > There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have WE > for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. Granted, we > think they're there to please us, and they have, for many years. But I > suspect they couldn't do it alone any more. > > > Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for > exemplary service. May it continue! > > > Mickey Prahin > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22 %40comcast.net. > > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wq6r%40socal.r r.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Think Business
Certainly it is decreaseing. However, There are still those out there who write scripts for JAWS, mainly Dancing dots, and Hartgen consultancy who have not done much with Window-Eyes, or even NVDA. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:14 PM To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Think Business There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they can do what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along with consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting events. My wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to replacing because she is doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a PC, and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore. And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader NVDA is no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home PC users. PCs are still essential in the workplace, but the blind population is growing older, and many who have worked are retiring. And Apple continues to be an alternative solution for blind persons. The demand for PC based screen reading software is decreasing, and there just isn't enough demand to support several competing products. I think that eventually advanced screen reader capability will be built into Windows narrator and the AT companies will make their money on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and low vision solutions. Andy -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Think Business AMEN! On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote: > I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if > the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent > compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision. > > > No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their > prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability. > > > The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, > caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod. > > > I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all the > times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours. > > > There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have WE > for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. Granted, we > think they're there to please us, and they have, for many years. But I > suspect they couldn't do it alone any more. > > > Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for > exemplary service. May it continue! > > > Mickey Prahin > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22 %40comcast.net. > > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wq6r%40socal.r r.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail
Re: Think Business
There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they can do what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along with consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting events. My wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to replacing because she is doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a PC, and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore. And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader NVDA is no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home PC users. PCs are still essential in the workplace, but the blind population is growing older, and many who have worked are retiring. And Apple continues to be an alternative solution for blind persons. The demand for PC based screen reading software is decreasing, and there just isn't enough demand to support several competing products. I think that eventually advanced screen reader capability will be built into Windows narrator and the AT companies will make their money on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and low vision solutions. Andy -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Think Business AMEN! On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote: I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision. No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability. The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod. I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all the times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours. There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have WE for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. Granted, we think they're there to please us, and they have, for many years. But I suspect they couldn't do it alone any more. Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for exemplary service. May it continue! Mickey Prahin ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wq6r%40socal.rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Think Business
AMEN! On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote: I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision. No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability. The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod. I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all the times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours. There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have WE for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. Granted, we think they're there to please us, and they have, for many years. But I suspect they couldn't do it alone any more. Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for exemplary service. May it continue! Mickey Prahin ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Think Business
You don't join your company that's trying to sue you out of business. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 15, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Mickey via Talk > wrote: > >I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if the > people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent compan is > AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision. > > > No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their prices > affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability. > > > The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, caring > people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod. > > > I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all the times > they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours. > > > There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have WE for > now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. Granted, we think > they're there to please us, and they have, for many years. But I suspect they > couldn't do it alone any more. > > > Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for > exemplary service. May it continue! > > > Mickey Prahin > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Think Business
I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision. No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability. The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod. I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all the times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours. There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have WE for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. Granted, we think they're there to please us, and they have, for many years. But I suspect they couldn't do it alone any more. Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for exemplary service. May it continue! Mickey Prahin ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
