RE: longshot

2017-07-15 Thread Butch Bussen via Talk
I had hoped that people who knew me would have understood I knew what I 
was talking about.  I had the word direct as many of us did, but were to 
asked to keep it in confidence.  I tried to tell everyone without 
actually telling everyone if that makes sense.  Anyhow, it is forgotten 
as far as I'm concerned and I appreciate the timer script or I should 
say app you wrote for me.  i use it daily.

73
Butch
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On Sat, 15 Jul 2017, Rod Hutton 
wrote:



Hi Butch,

Yes, you and I both know that I was the one who got angry with you.
I was angry only because you were making a claim without what I felt was 
evidence which could be evaluated by anyone.
I suppose I was reacting to the deluge of gossip which we are always prey to in 
our culture.
I am over the anger, and would rather make peace with you than to continue a 
useless war of words.

Take care,

Rod

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On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: July 15, 2017 8:03 AM
To: Sky Mundell <s...@shaw.ca>
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: longshot

I don't know.  Even when he was still with vfo, he wasn't in the talking
stuff as I understand it.  He wasn't allowed to do anything with
window-eyes at all.  He requested a window-eyes keyboard layout in jaws
and was turned down.  There was one person on this list who got angry
with me when I kept trying to tell everyone  window-eyes was dead.  I
knew it for a fact, but it hadn't been made public yet, so I kept trying
to make it as plain as I could without breaking a confidence.  Anyhow,
I'd be very very surprised if they'll make a cd for anyone.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Fri, 14 Jul
2017, Sky Mundell wrote:


What's Doug Geoffray doing now?

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Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 9:52 PM
To: bjn...@windstream.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: longshot

I doubt if you can get anything.  Doug is no longer with them.  Sad Sad
days.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
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On Fri, 14 Jul 2017, Brenda via Talk wrote:


You could write to Doug Geoffrey or VFO tech support.  They used to send

you

a link that was valid for 3 days. Hopefully they still do this.  Or

perhaps

you could ask Doug for a disk. They used to sell them for $20, maybe under



the circumstances they would just mail you one but who knows.

good luck,
hth
brenda

On 7/14/2017 9:44 PM, Brandon Misch via Talk wrote:

 Hey guys don't know if anyone on here is still involved with window-eyes
 now that it's been discontinued. But, i thought i would ask here is

there

 anyway i can get my full window-eyes version emailed to me? tried

calling

 ai squared and no help so thought i would ask on here in case some of

the

 old developers were still around. thanks
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RE: longshot

2017-07-15 Thread Joseph Norton via Talk
Usually, they put a clause in about not engaging in a type of work for a set 
period of time.  Don’t know if they can permanently shut someone out of a field.



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From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 8:31 AM
To: 'Butch Bussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: longshot

Butch, that means, like Dan Weirich, Doug has been paid off enough pennies!
He disappears like the vanishing wind into FORCED retirement and an SSL
padlock on his tongue and lips just as was the case for certain human
species back in the 1800's albeit real padlocks and iron bars were deployed
in that era; this is still being done today in more subtle fashions!

He, like Ted Hinter, will probably come up with something else, but he MUST
NEVER EVER touch screen accessibility for the blind.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: longshot

2017-07-15 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk

Olusegun,
With all due respect, this pile of assumptions that are obviously 
absolutes in your mind is not exactly becoming.

Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.
Regards,
Tom


On 7/15/2017 8:30 AM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
wrote:

Butch, that means, like Dan Weirich, Doug has been paid off enough pennies!
He disappears like the vanishing wind into FORCED retirement and an SSL
padlock on his tongue and lips just as was the case for certain human
species back in the 1800's albeit real padlocks and iron bars were deployed
in that era; this is still being done today in more subtle fashions!

He, like Ted Hinter, will probably come up with something else, but he MUST
NEVER EVER touch screen accessibility for the blind.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: longshot

2017-07-15 Thread Bernie Perella via Talk
Hi Olusegun,  I usually don't join in on this list but I read your post 
with interest.  I never expressed any view on the downfall of WE but as 
I observed what was going on, I had a strong feeling that WE was no 
longer going to be a viable tool for those of us without vision.  Having 
worked in the tech field for 3 decages, and having been a user of WE for 
2 of them, I realized that the rapidly changing tech world and the 
internet, was making it very difficult for software created in an 
earlier era to survive.  In its attempt to keep up with these changing 
technologies,  we could observe the difficulties being encountered by We 
with such things as MSAA and aria and dynamic webb pages,  as well as 
the frustrations of users who were trying to use many new software 
products.  In my humble opinion, I think that the alternative windows 
screen reader, born in the same era as WE and probably incumbered with 
the same deep rooots in the older technology, will ultimately fall 
victum to the same fate.  We shouldn't be surprised, though, just look 
at MS for an example and note how they had to bite the bullet and purge 
many of the long time developers of Windows so they could begin the 
process of remaking it to cope better with the new technology.  Also 
note they have put to death IE and other products.
Now that brings me to the point where I, like you, have to decide on 
what to do.  Because of my feeling that the other screen reader will not 
survive in the long run, I spent some time pondering the alternatives. 
Hearing the echoes of many postings on this expressed by users pleading 
that what we want is for manufacturers of operating systems to include 
native screen readers into their systems, I considered the three 
currently prominent alternatives:  Narrator, Voiceover, and Talkback. 
About five months ago, I needed a new cell phone and I considered 
several options.  I finally decided to purchase the Google Android Nexus 
5 and to move from Verizon cell service to Google FI, primarily because 
was so much less expensive for me.  I was a bit uncertain as to how long 
it would take to climb the learning curve of Android and of using a 
touch device.  I was amazed that within only a few hours, spread over a 
couple of days, that I had become quite proficient with both the device 
and with the OS.  So, now when we all know that we have to find a new 
forward with screen readers,  I have decided to do some experimenting 
and have decided to roll the dice with Android.  So, just in the past 
day, I have pruchased new very low cost Android Tablet.  For the money, 
I am very impressed.  Having used the Android phone,I had no difficulty 
finding my way on the tablet.  I have more work to do but I am confident 
that it will go well.  In order to move completely off of Windows, I 
will have to determine if the Google apps for the MS office equivalents, 
are accessible.  On my phone, I have given a first look at the Docs app 
anbd it does appear usable.My new tablet has a detachable keyboard so 
when I need to be a power data inputer,  it will help.  I also no that 
Android Talkback does have many keyboard shortcuts which is something 
that we all like.  With that said, I am quite comfortable with using the 
touch screen for many of the things I do.  And, now you know that like 
you I have chosen to ultimately move to the Android eco system. 
However, I also plan to take a closeer look at Voiceover on the Mac. 
For me, the one big drawback is the limited number of devices from which 
to choose and they are all quite expensive.  Finally, if you think I can 
be of any help to you with your Android experience, let me know.

On 7/15/2017 8:51 AM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
wrote:
> Butch, you didn't break any confidence when you discussed the death of
> Window-Eyes long before the fan base saw the handwriting on the wall!  You
> know what it is with the blind:  Denial!  It's a good pain killer pill and
> only the brave refuse to take it.
> 
> Even when Sis Reeva posted Tweeter notes that finally announced
> Window-Eyes's obituary, she was hounded and, if she had been Jesus, she
> shall have been crucified on the cross of false pretense even when the proof
> of the eating was already in the pudding!
> 
> Sadly, the truth hardly ever make blind folks free; rather, it keeps most of
> us in solitary confinements!  It was easy to know that Window-Eyes was
> comatose and dying!  The disappearances of those who were regular helpers on
> the list was a good telltale sign that something was terribly wrong upstairs
> in GW Micro land!  When the merger with AI Squared was announced, I was
> miffed beyond proportions.  I knew that the lightning had stricken and the
> wildfire season for Window-Eyes was real.  Anyway, you and I and many others
> who saw the London bridge falling down can find solace in the truth we stood
> for long before the world knew it.
> 
> Ok, back to my regularly scheduled 

RE: longshot

2017-07-15 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk
Hi Butch,

Yes, you and I both know that I was the one who got angry with you.
I was angry only because you were making a claim without what I felt was 
evidence which could be evaluated by anyone.
I suppose I was reacting to the deluge of gossip which we are always prey to in 
our culture.
I am over the anger, and would rather make peace with you than to continue a 
useless war of words.

Take care,

Rod

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: July 15, 2017 8:03 AM
To: Sky Mundell <s...@shaw.ca>
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: longshot

I don't know.  Even when he was still with vfo, he wasn't in the talking 
stuff as I understand it.  He wasn't allowed to do anything with 
window-eyes at all.  He requested a window-eyes keyboard layout in jaws 
and was turned down.  There was one person on this list who got angry 
with me when I kept trying to tell everyone  window-eyes was dead.  I 
knew it for a fact, but it hadn't been made public yet, so I kept trying 
to make it as plain as I could without breaking a confidence.  Anyhow, 
I'd be very very surprised if they'll make a cd for anyone.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
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On Fri, 14 Jul 
2017, Sky Mundell wrote:

> What's Doug Geoffray doing now?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 9:52 PM
> To: bjn...@windstream.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: longshot
>
> I doubt if you can get anything.  Doug is no longer with them.  Sad Sad
> days.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
>
> On Fri, 14 Jul 2017, Brenda via Talk wrote:
>
>> You could write to Doug Geoffrey or VFO tech support.  They used to send
> you
>> a link that was valid for 3 days. Hopefully they still do this.  Or
> perhaps
>> you could ask Doug for a disk. They used to sell them for $20, maybe under
>
>> the circumstances they would just mail you one but who knows.
>>
>> good luck,
>> hth
>> brenda
>>
>> On 7/14/2017 9:44 PM, Brandon Misch via Talk wrote:
>>>  Hey guys don't know if anyone on here is still involved with window-eyes
>>>  now that it's been discontinued. But, i thought i would ask here is
> there
>>>  anyway i can get my full window-eyes version emailed to me? tried
> calling
>>>  ai squared and no help so thought i would ask on here in case some of
> the
>>>  old developers were still around. thanks
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RE: longshot

2017-07-15 Thread Butch Bussen via Talk
I wouldn't say he was paid off, just forced into a situation where had 
no say in what was happening.  I fforget which one, but remember when 
one of the original founders of Apple was fired by Apple.  Reminds me of 
a book I read long long ago.  It was "why s o b s succeed and nice guys 
fail at business"

73
Butch
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On Sat, 15 Jul 2017, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, 
Inc. wrote:



Butch, that means, like Dan Weirich, Doug has been paid off enough pennies!
He disappears like the vanishing wind into FORCED retirement and an SSL
padlock on his tongue and lips just as was the case for certain human
species back in the 1800's albeit real padlocks and iron bars were deployed
in that era; this is still being done today in more subtle fashions!

He, like Ted Hinter, will probably come up with something else, but he MUST
NEVER EVER touch screen accessibility for the blind.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: longshot

2017-07-15 Thread Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Butch, you didn't break any confidence when you discussed the death of
Window-Eyes long before the fan base saw the handwriting on the wall!  You
know what it is with the blind:  Denial!  It's a good pain killer pill and
only the brave refuse to take it.  

Even when Sis Reeva posted Tweeter notes that finally announced
Window-Eyes's obituary, she was hounded and, if she had been Jesus, she
shall have been crucified on the cross of false pretense even when the proof
of the eating was already in the pudding!  

Sadly, the truth hardly ever make blind folks free; rather, it keeps most of
us in solitary confinements!  It was easy to know that Window-Eyes was
comatose and dying!  The disappearances of those who were regular helpers on
the list was a good telltale sign that something was terribly wrong upstairs
in GW Micro land!  When the merger with AI Squared was announced, I was
miffed beyond proportions.  I knew that the lightning had stricken and the
wildfire season for Window-Eyes was real.  Anyway, you and I and many others
who saw the London bridge falling down can find solace in the truth we stood
for long before the world knew it.

Ok, back to my regularly scheduled program which is learning to use an
Android tablet.  It has been a slow process for me, but I'll get it!  With
Window-Eyes dead, anything Windows is DEAD for me as well.  I'll keep my
Windows machines until the hard drives DIE NATURALLY, and Window-Eyes will
keep NURSING THEM to health until they both retire and find the Recycle Bin!
In a few short months, it shall be Android only for me!  No shark, I don't
want to eat or taste shark fins!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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RE: longshot

2017-07-15 Thread Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Butch, that means, like Dan Weirich, Doug has been paid off enough pennies!
He disappears like the vanishing wind into FORCED retirement and an SSL
padlock on his tongue and lips just as was the case for certain human
species back in the 1800's albeit real padlocks and iron bars were deployed
in that era; this is still being done today in more subtle fashions!

He, like Ted Hinter, will probably come up with something else, but he MUST
NEVER EVER touch screen accessibility for the blind.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: longshot

2017-07-15 Thread Butch Bussen via Talk
I don't know.  Even when he was still with vfo, he wasn't in the talking 
stuff as I understand it.  He wasn't allowed to do anything with 
window-eyes at all.  He requested a window-eyes keyboard layout in jaws 
and was turned down.  There was one person on this list who got angry 
with me when I kept trying to tell everyone  window-eyes was dead.  I 
knew it for a fact, but it hadn't been made public yet, so I kept trying 
to make it as plain as I could without breaking a confidence.  Anyhow, 
I'd be very very surprised if they'll make a cd for anyone.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
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On Fri, 14 Jul 
2017, Sky Mundell wrote:



What's Doug Geoffray doing now?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 9:52 PM
To: bjn...@windstream.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: longshot

I doubt if you can get anything.  Doug is no longer with them.  Sad Sad
days.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Fri, 14 Jul 2017, Brenda via Talk wrote:


You could write to Doug Geoffrey or VFO tech support.  They used to send

you

a link that was valid for 3 days. Hopefully they still do this.  Or

perhaps

you could ask Doug for a disk. They used to sell them for $20, maybe under



the circumstances they would just mail you one but who knows.

good luck,
hth
brenda

On 7/14/2017 9:44 PM, Brandon Misch via Talk wrote:

 Hey guys don't know if anyone on here is still involved with window-eyes
 now that it's been discontinued. But, i thought i would ask here is

there

 anyway i can get my full window-eyes version emailed to me? tried

calling

 ai squared and no help so thought i would ask on here in case some of

the

 old developers were still around. thanks
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RE: longshot

2017-07-15 Thread Sky Mundell via Talk
Did Doug Geoffray tell you he left VFO?
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Subject: Re: longshot

I doubt if you can get anything.  Doug is no longer with them.  Sad Sad
days.
73
Butch
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On Fri, 14 Jul 2017, Brenda via Talk wrote:

> You could write to Doug Geoffrey or VFO tech support.  They used to send
you 
> a link that was valid for 3 days. Hopefully they still do this.  Or
perhaps 
> you could ask Doug for a disk. They used to sell them for $20, maybe under

> the circumstances they would just mail you one but who knows.
>
> good luck,
> hth
> brenda
>
> On 7/14/2017 9:44 PM, Brandon Misch via Talk wrote:
>>  Hey guys don't know if anyone on here is still involved with window-eyes
>>  now that it's been discontinued. But, i thought i would ask here is
there
>>  anyway i can get my full window-eyes version emailed to me? tried
calling
>>  ai squared and no help so thought i would ask on here in case some of
the
>>  old developers were still around. thanks
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Re: longshot

2017-07-14 Thread Brandon Misch via Talk
thanks guys. i can easily get the upgrade file just can't get my full 
window-eyes copy. what is doug doing these days?

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RE: longshot

2017-07-14 Thread Sky Mundell via Talk
What's Doug Geoffray doing now?

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 9:52 PM
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Subject: Re: longshot

I doubt if you can get anything.  Doug is no longer with them.  Sad Sad
days.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Fri, 14 Jul 2017, Brenda via Talk wrote:

> You could write to Doug Geoffrey or VFO tech support.  They used to send
you 
> a link that was valid for 3 days. Hopefully they still do this.  Or
perhaps 
> you could ask Doug for a disk. They used to sell them for $20, maybe under

> the circumstances they would just mail you one but who knows.
>
> good luck,
> hth
> brenda
>
> On 7/14/2017 9:44 PM, Brandon Misch via Talk wrote:
>>  Hey guys don't know if anyone on here is still involved with window-eyes
>>  now that it's been discontinued. But, i thought i would ask here is
there
>>  anyway i can get my full window-eyes version emailed to me? tried
calling
>>  ai squared and no help so thought i would ask on here in case some of
the
>>  old developers were still around. thanks
>>  ___
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>>  author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
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>>
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tream.net.
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longshot,

2017-07-14 Thread mack via Talk

try this link,
 http://www.gwmicro.com/Window-Eyes/Upgrades/index.php?serial=P092x3=0 
replace my serial number with your's from Mack
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Re: longshot

2017-07-14 Thread Butch Bussen via Talk
I doubt if you can get anything.  Doug is no longer with them.  Sad Sad 
days.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
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On Fri, 14 Jul 2017, Brenda via Talk wrote:

You could write to Doug Geoffrey or VFO tech support.  They used to send you 
a link that was valid for 3 days. Hopefully they still do this.  Or perhaps 
you could ask Doug for a disk. They used to sell them for $20, maybe under 
the circumstances they would just mail you one but who knows.


good luck,
hth
brenda

On 7/14/2017 9:44 PM, Brandon Misch via Talk wrote:

 Hey guys don't know if anyone on here is still involved with window-eyes
 now that it's been discontinued. But, i thought i would ask here is there
 anyway i can get my full window-eyes version emailed to me? tried calling
 ai squared and no help so thought i would ask on here in case some of the
 old developers were still around. thanks
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Re: longshot

2017-07-14 Thread Brenda via Talk
You could write to Doug Geoffrey or VFO tech support.  They used to send 
you a link that was valid for 3 days. Hopefully they still do this.  Or 
perhaps you could ask Doug for a disk. They used to sell them for $20, 
maybe under the circumstances they would just mail you one but who knows.


good luck,
hth
brenda

On 7/14/2017 9:44 PM, Brandon Misch via Talk wrote:
Hey guys don't know if anyone on here is still involved with window-eyes 
now that it's been discontinued. But, i thought i would ask here is 
there anyway i can get my full window-eyes version emailed to me? tried 
calling ai squared and no help so thought i would ask on here in case 
some of the old developers were still around. thanks

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longshot

2017-07-14 Thread Brandon Misch via Talk
Hey guys don't know if anyone on here is still involved with 
window-eyes now that it's been discontinued. But, i thought i would ask 
here is there anyway i can get my full window-eyes version emailed to 
me? tried calling ai squared and no help so thought i would ask on here 
in case some of the old developers were still around. thanks

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